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than 2 years to help stop the spread of the virus. vaccination isn't necessary for students to return to classes. but the department of education says more than 90 percent of teachers have been inoculated. all right, those are the headlines i'm emily. anglo in the news continues here on al jazeera. after this stream to stay with us, talk to al jazeera, we ask for the rebound you speak off is clearly coming at a high cost for airlines and the industry. what's going wrong? we listen, you were part of the arm struggle in the 19 seventy's. do you have any regrets? no, we meet with global news makers. i'm talk about the story stuck matters on al jazeera . i think. hi, anthony. ok. when a nigerian st vendor can be beaten to death in bo daylight while people watch? what does that tell us about italian society?
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and he can august, you, quote, was murdered on july 29th. the man accused of killing him. filippo claudio giuseppe philosophy has been arrested and charged with murder and theft. his lawyer and the police investigators say the case has nothing to do with the racism about another county. my just thought i did close to her. she spoke to the magistrates, gave his version of the facts and said he was sorry. he apologized to the family, apologized for what happened, made it clear that there was absolutely no racial element. unfortunately, the terrible act would have been committed anyway, regardless of how she is a court order. dumb way. when we, she know it is a murder determined by futile motives. what emerges from the investigation is that the victim was particularly persistent in bagging money from the attacker and his partner with the protest as have been rallying calling for justice for alaska and for italy to confront it's his history of racism and xenophobia i did today. we
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spoke to the lawyer representing a leak, his family, the family, then the juliet community and the law kelly gun reacted with b and the way the wanting to condemn the violence will meet again. they blame the family, wants justice, and does not want to revenge as well as all those people require read through the streets all to be done. all the market deluxe decide to do them then their mother is is the king of alaska. oh, gotcha. cool. italy's george floyd moment, what will it take to confront racism in italy? you can do, and i conversation right now on you chip. ah . having this tough conversation with us on the stream, angelica kwanza angela. welcome to the string. good. have we'll see if you hear
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angelica, please introduce yourself to international audience. sure, good evening. i'm angelica, is that amy and i'm an assistant professor at the university of toronto. i work on issues of race, gender identity, colonial and post colonial italy. thanks for joining us. hello cleanser, welcome to the steam. please say hello to you is around the well, tell them who you are, what you do. a good day, everyone. my name is quinn's. i'm. we'll see the sam goes i from wrong. i worry because every city management expert and i'm also member of the national anti races network and it really yet to have you and angela. welcome. please introduce yourself to audience. good evening. hello. my name is angela book out to our finance journalist major london. and i write about issues concerning race diversity and wanted to extend social issues. and it's been some days now. it's almost 2
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weeks now since alaska was murdered. is this story for italian, still resonating our tie and still speaking about it, because that means that something different may well be happening here. i have a feeling that people are in italy. my still be speaking about this, but i'm not entirely sure of the conversation. these are the right direction we've seen before. what you've heard that many are seen be says related this brutal murder, something that is not, is not connected to racism or is not racially motivated. and also i think that part of the issue might be that people my think that my start thinking about this because up and so close to the election while the story of the mothers of that man easily is a long i'm just looking at you she right now kwanza liam is,
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is watching, and he said, asking for money on the street is not justification for violence and murder, italian state and police must recognize the matter as racist, and symptomatic or structural violence. but so far they haven't been very quick to say. this is not racism, cancer, you start and then a jello. can you pick up? yeah, i mean it's already from good magic that the police 1st thing 1st excluded the motive of racism even before looking at all the evidences and stuff. and actually to prepare the trial. so this is already eloquent to say that there is definitely a racist phobia. we can say absolutely no racial element. kwanzaa is what the lawyer to the exactly as you say, they say yeah, yeah, no, no, no racial on that. we can yes. so from then weekend already said that there is
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definitely a phobia in admitting the problem of racism here. yeah. until it had he seen not the idea that it's not racism. it's individual crimes. absolutely. i think, you know, it is one of the watching the police are talking, the police conduct an investigation, talking about it. i was shocked to see a to see them say we can categorically exclude racism. because this could have happened to anyone. and this will reflect the approach we ebony italy bye in europe about race. first of all, we can not say the word race. people are always horrified because they think about the biological part to why we talk about the socio cultural and parts of race. but also the fact that is always a one off people in italy are not racist. they may be ignorant. racism doesn't exist, is in the u. k. in the u. s. that is the denial, structural racism as,
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as hispanic factors that define our society. and this is one of the main obstacle we have as color says, academics as rocky to these people don't want to face it. and so how can we be auntie races if we dont dallas is a huge resident that looks like it likely to be anti racist and, and what it all data had? no, i was thinking, no, i was thinking i was following up on this like literally but he does b r war in italy. the racism can be mention, racism doesn't exist also in the media because we have a responsibility on mainstream media for the fact that in after the mother of the whole show, many media gave a lot of reference to what the mother in question said. the fact that we said that it was bothering a partner, but he said it was asking for money and he was given so much space to be mother out
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to a version of a mother and not enough space to the family. a family of a leak. i think the styles are much dignity for people of color is not it's not something that's really it, but that's where the focus was a focus on it all and best of those. everything speaks volumes because from that we can see how this all narrative is shaped. before, during and after the election and just look at i am so sorry. yeah, i've been there to the 3 and it's literally broadway like time square. so it's really something happening in a big street. it's the main shop, a bit of the city and people were just staring at it, or even just passing by a so again, racism is not about the individual that went there and say, you know,
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and word whatever. it's about the whole system that contributed to the death of men and is this was shocking. less talking about the media. i think what angela was saying, you know, if it's important the media, the language, he, we didn't have a name, he was defined as nigerian, the st. bender, the migrant. so every time people are denied their humanity and individuality in favor of their city or what they do. so just because it may be a different name and then difficult to pronounce, well, we don't even give the dig in it in the respect to name improperly. so i was founding the media language also very violent and not only the narrative the were portraying, but also these lack of humanity towards this person who hasn't been killed in broad daylight is kwansa was saying, and nobody intervened and still is then i g. ryan,
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let me add another voice i conversation. this is a clear allah about dolly. this is what she told us a little bit earlier to help us understand racism in italy. i like most of what italian population express, so rude and blame for the mother of alika to this feelings are very common among seat incense, stress. and even among those politicians was fair cool. atens brass is to pin consensus. i believe that as long as this mother is cru, see the red, i mean to be dual enact sectional act of races and not as the sign of a system s t been in screaming nation the course of their new election will not change. and somehow we will be complete
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i think it's really important to say that i cause death. a murder was not an individual instance. there. were they many instances of people of color being killed, harassed, assaulted in italy, those on and on and on and on. so let's take a broader look. i want to go back to somebody that really stopped me in my tracks. my site, which was 2020 in rome, which is a black lives matter rally. have a look at this is extraordinary. it's also a moment of silence. you're not going to hear much, but you at the in to see i don't really need to show it to you guess. but for our audience, just to remember that there was a moment where italy and some people in italy realized that they had their own issues with racism. when you look at that, angelica again, these images, what does it tell you about italy growth, the ability to be able to discuss and talk about racism openly? well, you know, families interesting because i was there, it was
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a milan there during these demos and what i, i have very mixed feelings because on the one hand people, people of color, black people have been doing active fights against racism for decades. so was not the death of george floyd that told us that was received them back for white italian. those who were trigon said, as anti racist. well, it was frustrating to see what they call this performative anti racism source. so many people went in the streets. we just finished a lockdown. we were in the middle of a pandemic. all vitaly was in the streets, protesting for the death of george floyd. but we, as you mentioned, we had so many black men and women killed by re season. look, now alika, how many people did go in the streets and protest besides us. there were many people who went there once i was among them and the court in i'm into an accident at easter, where, where the others. and so this is frustrating. i think you need to lead until the
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white on to race is movement. is problematic because they don't to go nice white privilege. for example, when you mentioned this words, they say this doesn't apply to us because this is in the us. we cannot talk about trees, we don't, we don't talk about privilege. how are we privileged as italian? so i've been struggling for centuries. we were immigrants too. and you see, this is the difficulty in let people understand that whiteness has been historically protected and maintain, even if you're poor, even if you're discriminated for other reasons. alika was not just a black man, he was also a poor man. so the class component here is essential and is something people to one face, the police, you were saying they were saying it could have happened to anyone, but how many white italians are in the streets asking for a coin? i don't see many. so being italian beans bear white ones i would you say is,
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is that the issue that you will not viewed as being of helen? if you're not white? absolutely. we see that how white italians confuse class with race. and so one and joe was saying is perfectly right there is a lot of white italians in the anti races, historical anti races organizations that say no, i'm not, i'm not privilege because i'm why, because i grew up in the projects. but that, that is something that appeals to class in general. so they substitute class with race very often and they don't understand that that race and class are 2 different elements that can co exist. course can be intertwined but, but they can also act separately. and so it's very difficult for italian and them and we've seen that also with by the tele, for example, that when he was calling he was praised as you know. busy callian back soccer blair
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. and then when he couldn't or when he was behaving, you know like her normal young there then goes to the club and some noise. he no longer italian. he was just a black man or even the n word was used to him saying, there is no such a thing as black italian. you cannot be. but we still have a problem. the even more emphasized by the italian citizenship law, that is the goal strictly by blood and therefore by race. of course it doesn't say black cannot be, but he said that to be italian, you have to prove to have the power in blood. and so of course, it's more difficult for a black person to have the power in blood rather than a white person. there may be mixed race like myself, with things like that. so the line is very saying, i have,
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i have exactly what you're saying. let me just been going to do voice into our conversation. this is marco, i tarnish who, spite trust a few hours ago. and you haven't listened to marco, and then i love your reaction to what he tells us. italy has a prominent res, i saying, the attorneys never used in the public discourse, mainly because it was a misuse. the was used excessively during fascism. the 8th race does not exist in the bible language, then also, racism does not exist. so here lies the problem. i think in the fact that in italy there has never been an open public conversation about the role of race in the formation of the entire nation. so what to do? i think changing this case is a 2 away process. on the one hand, i think it should be a movement of protest by ordinary citizen, demanding justice in public equal rights for black people. they migrate the more broadly and on the other hand as a political reform which can deliver on these demands. but frankly,
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the president political contest, i don't see neither of them happening. why i believe these are from, from, from some very bullet points. to be honest to think like a conversation about some of this about race and racism. i'm not, i'm not present at all. i think the so, so as to the fact there was no, there not enough voices of carlo black lloyd's. his, in the, i mean there are, of course, i mean, we can see by the love the voice, it will be invited and wouldn't be in, on the television, a partner with a p. if people like me, angelica was all many others. well, the, these wouldn't be, will be the people in, by to talk about it. so will be our wide conversation about racism. if there will be any and nothing. this is part, this is a central part of the issue. also because we as, as lost a lot to do with diversity,
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seen as something necessarily new in italy while we have other communities of b, very tree and italian community somali, telling community for being present in the country for decades. but obviously the sole source connection with the through colonialism and reese, fundamentally, it feeds into the cries of fascism require more of a ton of italian colonialism or something. but it's still not present and not the stuff we have dark history coming. there were always sold on conversation, but respite choice is just to a brush, everything down the carpet. fundamentally, we have to talk about politics and political climate because we are just a month to wipe it change before i snap. i watch and we did a little bit of getting around to see what politicians were saying about a leakage death and also about immigration and migration. have a look here. i think cats and some thoughts and some, some tweets for gay mattie,
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as harvey is the leader of the far right. lou chris, his well, he treated italians are the least racist people in the world. some one on the left instead decided to exploit that poor man, mascot. one thought there another, that's enough. we can't take any more cities out of control. illegal immigrants who land every day and more, more violence in the streets. but for the left, the problem is the right one walk as i, i feel like you know, where i'm going to. it is time to reverse the course and restored dignity to italy by defending it's borders. this is all on the lead up to an election. that's happening in mid september. angelic, her. what does that tell us about the way politicians are thinking about people of color, immigration migrants who were in italy right now? well, you know, really confirm once more how our bodies are exploited by the political discourse in 2018 when a leg but leg my, my, till sylvania moving into she was still
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a juan. and let's remember for the 1st time in europe, italy had to partially spark plugs in power. well, leg, especially. they base their electra campaign on anti black and to immigrant on to refugees discourse and the citizenship. low blood work to angela was mentioning earlier as been as strategically use and it was a winning weapon. and so again, you see that he's always the condemnation of the act, that poor man without technology, as we said, that he was black. that he was a refugee, that he was poor, it was these able so all of these is brushed off to just and not to talk about race . and we can see how yes ga maloney. now we had a woman seen as something progressive. but what kind of ideas she has, what kind of part to shoot present is a far right party. that is that direct heritage of the posse,
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spotty. so these are the people who are about to quebec. many chances to leave our country and is frankly warren. i wondering if they can go to guy. i think a fest again. yeah, i mean you see you see it's always white people. the politicians in italy are basically all white, 99 percent are white and so they keep on sometimes over themselves. the people i'm talking about races them, but they're not to directly address scene of the problem. and so they constantly evolving themselves even the policeman was doing the same because they all belong to the same system, all white supremacy in an institution. and another big problem that also below on the week and on the bagley party, that is the central problem for me, is that migration is always treated and sold as an emergency. whereas is one of the
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most ancient phenomenon of human b. yeah, and it's always revise and americans were really a really good at migration. they migrated over a year and much of europe as well. okay. and let me get back to adding one more voice to our conversation. this is marcia talantino who was really, really moved by what happened to alley car just a few days ago. this is what he told us as a black reader, mentally, i'm particularly devastated and impacted by the sudden, violent death of alaska sanchez, the ladies of a series of murderous lines against our black people in italy. but these isn't evidence of showing that black people in italy are not safe in these 100 people are not safe, especially if the issue lose hold on just one off race was also the one of poverty or the one of disability. so i think that the next few months of campaigning are going to be fundamental for especially the progressive parties to promote an agenda
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. this also about the fact the black lice matters in this country. and we won't be rolling on the offer. phobia promoted by the novelty of the far right. our audience watching on you should thank you for your comments and your questions. have a number of questions for you. guess they are instant art says so one sentence answer so we can get to as many as possible. this one and napoleon we need harsh punishment for races. kwanzaa thoughts, immediate thoughts. that's for sure. we don't have yet a lot that they racism as a criminal offense. itself, we only had the aggravating. all right? or is that one that will happen in the next year or so? is it imminent or still work to be done? oh it's not even being discussed yet. ah. okay. all right. never saw it here. this is from brad, what initiatives can be taken to make coach or assimilation easier on both sides?
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angelica well, i'm not sure i would talk about cultural assimilation because a simulation is a very problematic award. i think that that is this idea that black people, people of color are new in this country is, was angela was sent earlier and we are defined often, 2nd generation. so we're also fed up above beast because we're not 2nd or 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th generation suite time to recognize that italy is not a white country. and there is a lot of mixing in this country. i want to leave you with the voice of charity or yakking. she is the wife of alika. this is what she is hoping will happen with her husband's case manager. just instrumentals, one of the sort i wanted and it justice was almost it been is to once i said it's too much for me. i don't when francesca montela, who is a leak,
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his lawyer got in touch with us early on today. this is what he told us. we are waiting for psychiatric report. the killer, we don't believe has a mental illness. the killing was deliberate. what we are looking for is justice, not revenge. thank you. angelica kwanzaa angelo for shining light on how difficult it is for italy to talk about racism. you prove the opposite right now on the stream. we thank you for your thoughts and for your participation. i'll see you next time. take everybody. ah, for 2 years held captive by i saw a life altering experience for any victim more so when 2 years is half of your life time a 4 year old yazzy boys struggles to recover from the trauma of abuse and the
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