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in global prices can already be felt. many people say they simply can't afford some items of food. i or has i'm and anybody home got here to get up when i was to be garages, just keep increasing. every day i went, i used to buy a lot of food before. ha. but now i've reduced what i buy. i'm some things i've stop buying altogether. inflation is less than 3 percent, but hundreds of thousands of people are less than $500.00 a year. according to the government, which says it's working to reduce costs willis and either the government each year sit some of its budget to buy commodities at the normal price and sell them to people who can't afford at lower prices. well, that's to reduce the impact to price hikes and the government is working to support vital industries and work on getting investments to improve the economy. l. i love people here say they hope prices go down soon so they can afford to put food on their table. he, bill morgan out of the era, had, as it'd be at chad. ah,
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this is out 0. these are the top stories and the u. s. says russia is planning to escalate, strikes against civilian infrastructure in ukraine and the coming days. police are on high alert and the capital cave, wip independence day celebrations on wednesday, have been banned towards a bo has more now from keith. all major cities in this country are on high alert to not only keep, especially after the president will only mean saelens key, spoke about the possibility of russia carrying out a vicious attack of intelligence agencies from around the world. warning that there could be attacks against our cities and big cities in this country, but also offer the killing of diarrhea geena in moscow and, and russia blaming ukraine because of it. and many here. thinking that this could be an excuse to launch an attack. a funeral has been held for pro criminal political commentator dirge geena who was killed in
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a car bombing on saturday. russia says ukraine organized the killing, but keith denies involvement, rushes foreign minister. so you remember i said there can be no mercy for those behind her death. a group of 5 e u countries want to ban russian tourists, russia borders, european union members, finland estonia, lexia lithuania and poland. they say they'll consider taking action as a group of the e. you cannot agree. malaise is top corridors up held the guilty verdict and jail sentence against former prime minister nigi browsers. now g repealed against a 2020 conviction for money laundering and corruption. the 12 year prison term in iraq, supporters of she, a politician, looked at her outsider, gathered outside the offices of the supreme judicial council in baghdad. they called on judges to dissolve parliament and set a date for early elections. palestinian president mahmoud abbas is in the turkish capital of anchor for 3 day visit. abbas is welcome by turkish president, russet. ty, bird, wine at the presidential palace are expected to discuss regional issues. 8 grain
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silos in lebanon that were damaged in the barrett port explosion of collapse the 3rd time storage facilities at the port of collapse in the past month. official say that building to absorbed much of the impact from the exposure in 2020 that killed more than 200. that's a lie has got more news coming up right after inside story. after, ah is a return to the wrong nuclear deal imminent thereon has responded to the use plan to restore the 2015 accord, poolside so waiting for the us to reply. so what are the final hurdles to
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a new agreement? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. diplomat say they believe they're close to restoring the 2015 iran nuclear deal. former president donald trump pulled the us out in 2018. but for the past 16 months negotiators from washington enter on, i've been working with the other signatories to re establish the accord. european union laid down what it called its final offer earlier this month, few details have been officially made. public sources have told al jazeera, the new deal will be rolled out in full phases over to 60 day periods. functions on 17 banks and a $150.00 economic institutions will be lifted. iran will scale back its nuclear
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ambitions and be able to export. 15000000 barrels of oil a day. they use foreign policy chief says to run has given what he calls a reasonable response to the proposal. to set boil says he expects the us to reply this week. so they can leave you. okay. you'll understand this to be the points of equilibrium when neither one side nor the other can make things better. it was communicated to the participants of the negotiations, basically, iranians and north americans and everyone, british germans, french, chinese, and russians. there was an iranian response, which i consider reasonable was transmitted to the united states. the u. s. has not risk on the formerly, but we are waiting for the response to an iran has accused the us of delaying its response. more morning between him, we can talk about this round of talks being fruitful only when the europeans announce that they have received a response by the american law and washington has denied stalling the talks. the
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state department says ron appears to have dropped some of its demands, such as were moving a wrong revolution regards from its list of terror organizations. president has been clear, he's been firm, he's been consistent, that he will not list the terrorism designation on the i r g c, a runs demand that we do so has been removed from the latest version of the text that we have seen. and that's part of the reason why a deal is closer now than it was 2 weeks ago. but the outcome of these ongoing discussions, door rooms, uncertain as gaps do remain. so how did we get to this point? well, in 2015 iran and 6 wild powers agreed to a historic deal in limited terrans nuclear activities and allowed international inspectors to monitor it's activities in return, crippling economic sanctions on the country were lifted. that in 2018, the us made
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a unilateral decision to withdraw from the accord under donald trump's leadership. washington re imposed sanctions and terran retaliated by breaching uranium enrichment limits. and 2021. talked to revive the nuclear deal began in vienna. joe biden succeeded trump several rounds have taken place, but a deal has so far been evasive. ah, well, let's bring in our guests now and into rome. we have muhammad mirandi advisor to iranian negotiation team in vienna. in berlin is hammond, razor as easy visiting fellow at the german institute for international and security affairs. and in washington, d. c. is alex for tanker senior fellow and founder of the iran program at the middle east institute of a one. welcome to all of you. i'm randy, let's start with you because the signs are good, aren't they? is there a workable proposal to revive the 2015 deal on the table?
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well, 1st of all, i have to point out that iran did not withdraw any demand. and i think americans are trying to solve this at all. i've been saying this for months that removing the guards from the us. terrace lis is not something and isn't, was not a pre condition. and i've said this often people can check my interviews. i probably said it on al jazeera multiple times, so that the statements coming from washington don't make any sense. iran will continue to have sent com on its terrorist organization list. but yes, i do agree that a lot has been achieved over the past few months. and the iranians were able to gain significant ground on all the different friends with whether sanctions or
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whether it's it has to do with verification or sequencing and assurances and the b u. e. u foreign policy chief. the statement that was quoted earlier on in the package he in it, he says that the iranian proposals or the iranian points that they made in their response were reasonable. so obviously, the paul is not only in the american court denies of the iranian, now by the ha, all american ford according to the you. so just to be clear on that 1st point that you made mom a deal saying that the iranians were never demanding that the revolution recalls be taken off the terrorist list in the u. s. before the deal could be revived. yes, the iranians never demanded the cars being root removed from the so called f t o
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list, the foreign terrorist organization list, and anyone who doubts that they can use a search engine. check my interviews, probably a few done on al jazeera and on my twitter. alex, is that something that you can corporate them from where you are in washington, d. c? i don't know what mr. moran did it on this issue over the last few months. i think the consensus here in washington would certainly be that that was an issue they range were pressing or hard if i remember right, come out a very senior member of the rainy regime close to i to look harmony. i believe it was a dog forum who made that point, that the revolution guards needed to be off the u. s. terrorism list. so, you know, i don't know exactly where different players were, but this was certainly a factor for a while and it seems to not be a factor in the moment. at least that's a good say, regardless of the states as it seems to be a moot point, because it appears that revelation regards a not on the table any more 100 raise
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a. how close do you think we are guessing? the 2015 deal revived. my understanding is we are closer than time before since the re, as far as the negotiations after racy took office. because, you know, at some point we were actually the same kind of maxim august. the ones on the right hand side, which was somehow, you know, of course, was not accepted by, by the us sign. but i just recently shows like the, this thing that you see or other points. i think iran has made a lot of, you know, kind of the orbiter to say, a series of reasonable concessions. and that is the reason why joseph 4 of the foreign policy chief has kind of called the wrong response. reasonable. so at this
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moment i think borrow the statement goes on same force and in the sense that the kind of, in the mention that it's up to the united states now to decide because much whatever the european side could do. i think they have already done, and it was mentioned before, it's kind of a fine officer in sort of the positions of basic questions positions. so that is now the situation. so it's really much up to the united states to come up to be the response to the proposal that alex is jenna, except in a bowl is now in the u. s. in court. but if biden stalling, laura, we have to mid to simple reality here. there's a lot of politics around this issue, both in washington and tara, in toronto, prison raised in his team,
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want to give the range public the impression that the deal that's about to be born maybe is so much better than have sandra honie, whatever negotiated this is part of the radiant factional politics, the so called reformers been to social hardliners each want to be the national champions, living, playing this game for months. i in the washington, you know, the democratic party is not doing well president, by these approval rating is historic low. he can't afford to see we're not after the debacle enough, dennis don, and all sorts of questions about his having a foreign policy. so he's making sure that you know, he doesn't look, we lot of democrats in congress are already on the fence if not opposing his feel because of political reasons. so, unfortunately, politics in washington into iran is just not helping this diplomatic process. would we agree with that? what do say the pressure in the political excellence of her on to present a better deal than ru honey, could have negotiated look,
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i was on the, i was with the doctor's that he, in vienna, in 2015, during the whole period of the negotiations. the 3 weeks and i was with the current team and yet, and during the whole period when they were negotiating. and it is very obvious to me that while both teams were did their best. but for whatever reason, the iranians have been able to gain enormous concessions this time round, and in fact, to correct a point that was previous them previously made. mr. hor l said spoke favourably about their points that the iranians made though which were linked to the so called final tax. in other words, the iranians were saying this final tax has deficiencies that have to be addressed . and mr. bore al, when he read, and when they studied the writing proposals, he thought he said that they were reasonable. so for the united states had to give
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concessions. but the fact is that the right, the concessions that the iranians gained, we're all about implementing the j. c. p. away. nothing more than that. what the americans want to do is have a g c p a way, where they don't abide by their commitments in full and iranians do so. and he writes, are not going to have that again. when obama signed the deal, he systematically violated the deal from day one. he was supposed to help help facilitate the normalization of iranian trade in business. and what he did in reality, through the treasury was threatened banks financial institutions, shipping companies, insurance companies, big business not to work with iran. that was a clear violation of the deal. and then trump tore up the deal, and biden, despite criticising trump. he pursued trumps maximum pressure policy, which was directed at ordinary iranians. so the rhine is looking at the past at american violations, whereas we all know that the, i mean,
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we're biting by their commitment. so this time around the run is big game these concessions, basically to make sure that the americans alongside the iranian abide by their commitment, 100 res, that is one of those concessions has been raised in the media. if one, those confessions that the u. s. will face a fine if a future president, again, we next on the deal is that in this proposal, as you know, let's see what's written here are seen in the media has been based on a list all deal on the radio and side. so there is no concrete detail on the right hand side. as far as i know, that's based on my understanding. you know, there might be some provision latch to mention in terms of the kind of formal line or something like that. the compensation is due and i could state decides to be all again, but i shouldn't say that any kind of, you know,
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i guarantee or you know, compensation, lifestyle would be actually implementable because, you know, there is a matter of whether on to what extent any kind of agreements, i mean the deal it would be binding, let alone the issue of compensation. so i think this is something more related to your, on the 6 politics, because at the end of the day, the system needs to sell the agreement to the public or something stronger than on the matter of this issue. guarantee. it has been something that they have been working on, and this might serve that surface next week. understand the iranians lack of trust, given that the us unilaterally pulled out of the form a deal in 2018. but as having to raise the said all the, any guarantees that workable within the u. s. political and legal system. look this short answer to that is no american president guarantee
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a deal permanent. i mean, you need to go through to congress. you need to ratify a treaty to have that, you know, state of course, going forward, regardless of who is in the white house. now, there's not a republic of iran has very few credit friends in the united states congress. and you know, this is the point that goes back to what we heard just earlier in terms of us intentions. look, number one. it is a mistake. it's a folly and has been from day one to assume that you can have anything that's permanent. the rain inside should have looked at the biting term in office and it might be to term president binding might be a one term president, but there was a window of opportunity and instead of working with buyers and they ring is play politics. but quite a bit, i understand that they didn't want to fall into the same truck again, i totally understandable, but they try to pay or make bite and pay for the sins of trump if you will. that
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was a mistake. there are still 2 years left. there's a lot that can be done negotiated, and i think you said strategic mistake on the part of the republic of iraq to stick to the nuclear talks along what they need to do. and they should have done this from day one by and came to the white house, is to broaden the conversation and admit to the fact that the reigning foreign policy would benefit from being more balanced to talk to the west and not put all their eggs in the basket of the likes of russia and china. this is a political ideological decision islamic republic needs to make if they do that, i think any deal that might be reached will have so much more likelihood to, to succeed beyond by the presidency. and if there's time, i like to talk about something else that you can do, but i'll leave that for now. leave yet. we will definitely give you more time in a moment, a bomb, and a lot of things to answer the and alex is answer, but i just want to put it to you where the iranians, you want him. people might consider that bite and also made a mistake and missing the opportunity to renegotiate this deal. and will hon these
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final, last month and 2021 might have been an easier task. yes, the problem was that bitin wanted more than what he deserved. he wanted iran to implement the deal in full and he wanted the united states again added concessions . that was what truck was after. so why would you run? resists tramps, excessive demands, and of keys, trump, and then then later on, and, and refrain from appeasing trump, and then later on, go in peace, bided now that steps that would be ridiculous, actually, with the iranians have done at the negotiations. one thing that they did was that they created inherent insurance. insurances, in other words, if the united states doesn't live up to its obligations, the iranians can very quickly returned enriching uranium at the pace it is doing. now that makes them harkins pay
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a price for leaving the deal. the problem that we had under obama and binding was his vice president was that the united states didn't pay a price for violating the deal. the problem under trump was at the united states, didn't pay a price for leaving a deal. these negotiations went to, to ensure that the united states pays a price. and this is a good thing for the deal because it protects the deal. if both sides feel that staying in the deal is a better thing is good for the deal. one final point that i'd like to me in that is that in 2015, when the deal was signed, the iranian liter ayatollah. how many said that if the united states abide by its commitments in good faith, other issues could be discussed. and then in that speech you said, although i don't believe the united states will abide by its commitments in good faith, and he was absolutely correct, the united states wasted an opportunity. and why should you run and speak about other issues when the united states is not abiding by, it's the commitments that it signed on to. so if the united states in future wants
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to start talking to the iranians about multiple issues 1st, they have to show that they are reasonable in their obligate with regards to their obligations in any future nuclear deal. ah other dresser, how difficult has it been to try to keep this deal alive as you are the e u member states china, russia also trying to, to keep this deal going when you've got to very different sides who won't even sit at the same table during these particular negotiations. now of course, you know, when you have the 2 sides that are not sure that this one of them is not traded. so they are to negotiate with the other party. and you need to have both a party to the agreement, time and emotions, and also to going to play the role of a mediator it's, it's quite difficult and this has been so my understanding one of the main reasons
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that's, you know, it took so long for us to reach the point that we are and this is still kind of on certain situation. but, you know, here speaking of you, i think that's the kind of very interesting change. and it was all because, you know what, 2 years ago before, was to somehow play the role of mediator more sure, kind of messenger, i would say, you know, that's me, the single kind of reduce the role of messenger between you on the united states. but seen as the you can cross, i think we've been witnessing your kind of increase role of the you in terms of comment on its own initiatives like the proposal that we saw. and of course, there's a few reasons like, you know, the potential for your on to go back to the energy market and it's potential for, you know, increasing it's going for adoption. the time shows all remove also the fact that the european is non swans new or you know, it's in the close. ready neighborhood,
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so these factors contribute to, to the more active role. why do you really, i'm not without that i don't think that we could reach the point that you are absolutely the other sides. alex, we've got israel looming large doing what it can to stop. the deal feels reporting just few days ago that the prime minister ela pete told the us to walk away from these talk somebody we know that to buys and he's taking his time to respond. is this because of israel's leverage within the u. s? well, i say 2 things about the role of these railways in all of this number one is just put yourself into shoes of israelis. you sitting there countries just on the 10000000 people and you have iran not far away a country of 85000000 that has since 970 and i'm about to destroy you. anybody on a human level would have to sympathize with the fears that these ratings have. now
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not for a 2nd defending what they really are doing to be the policy unions and also some other criticism you can let but the door of israel. but i'm not a central republic of iran and don't take my word for it. listen to this speech. accommodate was be the supreme due to the system. so 1989. we're going to jump all 3 minutes left. we know the antagonism between israel and iran and just want to know how much israel is steining b u. s. responding to the steel. look, i think there's really, really don't have much of the plan be here. the best i can do is help the united states. they really don't have a military strike option to get the right. they know it would have done a long time ago. they had it. so all israel really should do is to support the united states in any way possible to make sure that iran and the rest of the will come to an agreement in terms of your asked you to program. ok moment does, does iran have a plan b if this deal is not revived? but 1st of all, i like to say that he runs off position to israel. if i could position to apartheid
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south africa, you run once this system, this racist regime to n, like the whole bay. but we will, we do have one inside story by the time. so please at the nuclear dale, well, the iranians, if the united states at this point went both the european and the rhyme, you are saying that the ball is in the us court. if the americans are not reasonable, you run, it will continue to expand their piece from nuclear program. and also we are closing in on winter. the weather is going to get very cold in europe, the europeans are going to suffer. and so as the the united states, the price of energy is high. so if the united states wants to ease pressure on ordinary europeans, instead of sacrificing them, they should listen to joseph. we're ok a 100 raises. you hear there that iran will continue expanding. what it calls it, peaceful nuclear program. i mean it has enriched uranium to 60 percent. that needs to be in which to 90 percent for it to be
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a nuclear bomb. and we have had the supreme leader senior adviser in july saying that ron is technically capable of making a nuclear bomb. if this deal doesn't happen, how dangerous a situation is, the region in well, of course, a collision of detentions, especially of, it's been on israel big you know, of course, i was your other guess, mentioned, you know, there's not a lot of options that it has, but one option that it has been resorting to has been to having these course activities against it on the clearing for instructions and on the right now the response was actually, you know, excessive with the situation. but once very quick points, you know, there's a kind of understanding i think, regarding the position of view cause, you know, he was energy needs something quite obvious. but then if
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you want to also ignore the thread lines they would have already written. i very much trust you know, this whole debate is about the very fact that europeans have their own deadlines as well. so i don't think that's, you know, you're ongoing further than anything at the regional level and all sorts of things . programs would be really helpful in guessing more from the europeans or dinners. ok, a very interesting discussion. indeed, we're going to have to leave at the for the moment to the mohammed mirandi. i'm going to raise the as easy and alex, what time cut, thank you very much for joining us. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a web site. this al jazeera dot com and to further discussion to get to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. it was during the conversation on twitter handle. it's a inside story from me laura kyle: i'm the whole team here. it's bye for now. the
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