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but most of all, there is grief seneca, there al shahita off the coast of northern lebanon, brazilian president variable snar, as held a camp fire salute to welcome the preserved heart of his country's 1st emperor, the embalmed organ of don pedro. the 1st is on the loan for brazil's 2 hundreds anniversary of independence on september 7th. hedrick broke away from portugal in 1822 in aust. his heart returned to the city of porto after his death. the end will be on public display in brasilia during the celebrations. columbia has ended a policy of destroying coca crops as the newly elected president, gustavo petro, overhauls a fight against drug trafficking, the national police direct to says they will focus on intercepting cocaine shipments and providing incentives for farmers to adopt legal crops. previous governments had dedicated soldiers, herbicides,
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and drones to try and eradicate coca farms which led to vine and confrontations between farmers and the place. ah, this is al jazeera, these you top stories. ukraine is set to hold muted independence day celebrations after warnings. russia may ran puppets attacks, restricts curfews in place, the northeast and city of ca, keith and authorities in the capital key have been mass gatherings for the whole week. the un security council as alden emergency meeting to discuss fighting me the russian occupied zap region nuclear plants in ukraine. they calling for the immediate withdrawal of truce and the demilitarization of the area agreement is urgently needed to reestablish the parisha as purely civilian infrastructure. and to ensure the safety of the area,
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we must be clear that any potential damage to the plant or any other nuclear facilities in ukraine, leading to a possible nuclear incident, would have catastrophic consequences. not only for the immediate vicinity, but for the region and beyond. to paraphrase the secretary general's blunt warning, any potential damage does operation is suicidal. a court in thailand is set to hand out of earning that will decide if the prime minister can remain in power. they have been protests in the capital bank, coke ahead of the court's decision. calling for the prime minister, pry you tanaka to step down a bowl. my u. s. police officer has pleaded guilty for her role in the death of brianna taylor . a black woman shot dead in a police raid as her home. federal investigative say, kelly good lit, conspire to create a cover story is helene far raw. far right. lida, georgia maloney has launched. heck,
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hm paint become the country's fussed female prime minister maloney, his brothers of s. lee policy is ahead in the polls criticized the european union's energy strategies and pavilion present enjoyable scenarios. held a special ceremony to welcome the preserved halls of the countries fuss. emperor don pedro the fust, but an will be on public display in brazil yet during independence. celebrations, says the headlines. the stream is talk to al jazeera. we ask, so the rebound you speak offers clearly coming at a high cost for airlines and the industry. what's going wrong? we listen, you were part of the arm struggle in the 19 seventy's. do you have any regrets? no, we meet with global news makers. i'm talk about the stories that matter on al jazeera . i think i of them. yeah. okay. to dale, the stream, taiwan from the inside,
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looking out. what does the future hold for? it's people. time has been very open about wanting to take over taiwan, while its allies continue to show their support. but tip toe around recognizing taiwan as a country, have questions. of course you do during the discussion, live on youtube to talk to our panel of taiwanese gas. ah, so let's start with a look at how the contentious relationship between taiwan and china began. after the chinese nationalist last china civil war, in 1949, the nationalist k m. t party fled to taiwan where they imposed martial law for 38 years. martial law was lifted in 1987 and then the islands, 1st direct democratic presidential elections were held in 1996. in 2016 taiwan elected. its 1st female president. sy,
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ink. when johnny asked to talk about what's next with taiwan bryant, you freddy lame and waiting yet so good to have you. thank you for joining us, brian. please tell our audience what you day. hi, my name is brian hugh. i'm a journalist and i'm the founding edder's of nuclear magazine, which covers social issues in taiwan and politics were found in 2014 offer. these on varmint. don't get to have you. freddy wants people. no u, as in for doing i'm for the lame a member of power news parliament. i know so i have your medical center. nice to have you and waits, hang. say lovely to have you. thank you for joining us. lisa lance. what your name for what you day? hello everyone. my name is waiting again. i'm currently an assistant professor at the government department of franklin marshall college and pennsylvania, united states. and i study asian politic good to have you. i am wondering guess when a well known personality you oh, a leader of a country visits taiwan. how much trouble does that cause, bryan?
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so trend the reaction to so i was quite strong. there happened diplomatic visits in the past by other leaders, the government officials, et cetera. but this time, china really use this as a pretext to escalate. part of it's due to policy being so highly ranked that she is in line for succession to the presidency after the vice president. but i think in this case, trying to was looking for some way to ramp up tensions and took the battery to visit. so oh, waiting you were in taiwan when nancy pelosi, the u. s. speaker of the house, who visited taiwan. there was so much lead up to that. but from the inside, what was the experience like i had to say it was like to live in the parallel world like so. i think the week leading up to pillows is that i think the policy circle in the and the see was old fighting over whether it's the force of strict crisis where s and i one, i think people having be living under the threat of china live kind of at
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the end of their life, very normal and i so i was very surprised to learn how much tension it has rigor between the us in china over the polosa visit. all right, so level of tension outside of the country on a scale of $1.00 to $10.00 was what would you say waiting for nancy pelosi visit? what would you say with a 10 outside my time? either on my twitter birth i would say 8 to 10. all right, but as high wind, it was probably one. no. and that is extraordinary. all right, freddy, you've got to come in here. i'm looking at your twitter feed. people love to come visit. you not just taiwan, but also come visit. you'd say this is representative jennifer wex than she popped in to see you in june. and then we have and it's freedom huge thanks to a bust of taiwan and members of the time when he's parliament for having me, we had some delicious time and he's food, etc, etc. so you and no stranger to hosting, guess to tie one. what does that mean?
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is it performative? is it symbolic? how does it help? i think because i think how many people can feel that no matter is in terms of epidemic prevention or regional security or the value of democracy and human rights . i think people in taiwan feel we play a very important role or more and more important role in, in this region these in the pacific region. so therefore, exchanges between democratic countries are activist or democratic police. politicians and taiwan should be normal and positive. should be encouraged, so because there is no way that we play more and more for them role. but if the people outside of taiwan one to get engaged, we need to be approved by china. that's. it makes no sense and it's not right. so i think nancy pelosi, she got a huge, well come in taiwan because at,
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for time one is we, we want to contribute can contribute more. we want to play more important role in the region. we can take this responsibility but also the world need to support us because when we play more important role. busy we've got even heavier threats from china, so we need to speak together in these democratic lo waiting. i see you nodding and brian, i see you nodding as well. so you welcome visitors, but that there's an impact on just looking here on twitter, the ministry of defense, r o c, just keeping track of the number of incursions in taiwan territory from china. and these go on for radically from day to day to day. all with it was these incursions from china waiting so i agree with what brian threat it said. so think the passage retiring,
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travel act like in 2018. we have seeing, you know, several, many delegations come into visit and ready for the mission. we asked how a nice, well welcome to make friends with all other nations and engage with each other, you know, who more caught cooperation and collaboration. and so i think right, correct and pointing out that i think china, i use this as an excuse as a pretext to try to change the status call. 7 by, you know, starting or engaging with more military drills. yeah. and that is, and i don't think how many people will be deter by this because we can not just not making friends because the bully said you shouldn't make friends. and we don't make friends that the that doesn't work. what i'd like. yeah. i want to 1st for the 2nd. yeah. i mean, i think for example, just the fact that there's all this fear about the drills are effect through the
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large gap between perceptions in taiwan and outside of it. i mean people in taiwan . ready would be 1st in line of fire, but on the converts to what much of the reaction international law was. people logged in, how well, i mean, there was support people gather the airport to welcome close the, the hotel that she was staying and so forth. and as you know, the world was going on about how this is pyro mania, how this will lead to military threats with an actually that's in the face of these trends. it's tony people, but somehow their perspectives were left out of the conversation. a conversation with had about the risks, but who are at risk is actually that, how many people and i think that the reactions as visits are very different than between how many people and what much international discourse was about, i guess, afraid i often hear, sorry for the fact i guess, i guess that's why i think the. busy busy speaker, and i suppose some i saw does some international media or some people said nancy pelosi world, the chinese military exercises, or the taiwanese we brought we,
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we brought us to the big crisis. are these these friends from china we florida is to face these kind of threats. i want to emphasize that actually actually we have been facing these for decades. china is very to pin do in the always like that. not just because of nancy pelosi visiting or because of what we have been doing. so we have 2 people have to understand that we have been facing these for decades. china always want to find excuses to, to, to bring higher threads on these region. not as much as reading in taiwan, but also, or the country in this region that's, that's the, the life, the normal life we are dealing here in this region. you get the phrase i often have from within. i want to a status quad,
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preserving the status quo waiting. can you explain to our audience what status quo the taiwan means? so i think we can discussion, discuss the question from true perspective. one is the time to say the entity and the 2nd one is how in relation with china. so i was like density. i think the majority of tiny people now identify themselves, you know, nice. but when it comes to deciding what the relationship with china should be here, there are some debate going on when some people think that how and it's already a defective sovereignty country. why as others, there are other people in taiwan think that we should also pursue your independence. but despite that differences, i think the majority of people are pragmatic and do accept the status quo, which is that i want is that this back, those sovereignty bait. and that's kind of what the status call is. however,
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the tricky part is that the status quo is self is changing as well. and how long it every man and how it changes actually depends. i'll try not level of aggression on the island in the future. basically the moral aggression imposed by one the status quo change more towards independence. let me just bring in just a quick thought here from preston. sy, when, because she mention status quo. so i'm going to play that and then brian, can you just pick up from the thought that she's playing out here? it's have, listen, this is from earlier this month. oh man, we are in close cooperation with international allies to monitor the military situation. at the same time, we're doing everything we can to let the world know that taiwan is determined to safeguards. the ability and the status quo across the taiwan strait ocean crescent saying when using that phrase, status quo again, brian. yeah,
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absolutely. and i think the debates high is very emphatic on this point, that she is not the one that seeking to change the state of, of crossfit relations tie as berkeley intent on avoiding being labeled as provocateur in the relation with china and china in the me time tries of frames i want as a troublemaker, but as a form of victim planning, the threats are offered coming from china. but typically what also one sees with some of the off example differences between that discourse in taiwan and outside of it i alluded to earlier, is as victim lightening this view of taiwan as having brought this on itself risking the region or to maintainance off a one does also see this argument that one sees circulated. now an interesting discourse that challenger does give up, its freed up to him, is the weight reserve piece. and unfortunately, i don't think that's the case, but this gets brought up with regards to policy, rather than how is discussed in this very hyperbolic tone as though it's the end of the world that we're on the verge of war. but as i can imagine, we're, we're in taiwan, people seem relatively chill about it, and that's how things were let me bring in a newsletter. this is a voice, a phone, the chan friday. i'm going to play this for you because what film mean jen told us
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earlier was about appreciating allies, but the allies need to step up. they can't just be allies from a distance. because if the status quo is changing, angie ne, joel elias, to call on what might happen. this is what he told us area. the political economy systems in taiwan over a different from china. it is a consensus in taiwan that people want to preserve the ways of life's democracy. freedom in the events economy. however, china's annexation is lou me because the lisa sacred mission for them to unified ty, while therefore taiwan scour man is trying to strengthen the self defense capability for the us is very important because research shows that the height of, of it reassure people from pano, countries it is also very important for the u as in ice to provide more economic and military resources to deter china from changing the status quo of freight. i'm
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a little bit cynical about these visitors coming to taiwan, who are calling themselves that you are elias. but if china does more than just fly over the taiwanese strike, what will your allies be dealing? i think 1st of all, i think for now i think the allies should show their attitude that they are, they are very supportive of taiwan. they state, which i think that's very important, especially after the russia invasion to ukraine, that we can send the wrong message to china. we need to lead china, know that if anything happened here, the allies will, will stand with taiwan. that's meant we seize the international community, has remained strategic and big o t for the situation in this region. and that my stand the wrong message to china
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. so it's very important to give china a more clear image mall. clear message that the allies are stand with high want. and by sending the high ranking officials to taiwan to get engaged with high one on the table, to blame our friendship on the table to show taiwan to show, to china that to know that there are friends of taiwan everywhere. and friends would taiwan. that's very important. and i do believe that after the russian in, after the russia invasion to you train taiwan is people know that if we stand for a longer time, if we can fight, if we can protect our land as much as we can do in china, evade high one then i think the allies and our friends, well, we're supporters more well take to with us. i think that's
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a very strong message far as i am wondering what it feels like trying to live in a nation where huge palace on one side of the land take and then huge, a huge power as your neighbor. talk about taiwan as if it's a poon in a game of chess. what does that feel like? yeah, that is something that i find very concerning because that was also, i think, in regards to plus he visit how much it was discussed. again, as i mentioned, there is not the focus on what tony's thought about their own future. there's a lot of talk about in terms of the u. s. and china and so forth. and so i think that does raise one of the questions. i mean, the visit to was welcomed and i won, i think many international did not get that because of the fact that this is seen as a show of support. and taiwan is really wanting to support from the national community right now. other than the rest, the world is afraid it's advisable and there are some questions i think, to be raised about where the substantive gains from this symbolic or mostly just
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for show or if is actually thing taiwan gains from this kind of visit though it puts i one line of fire up and that respect, i think that this is long term in the face of taiwan and i, i would hope to see that change about the weight i wanted discuss that is more attention to the way tony is want their future to be i oftentimes, i noticed this notion that's how i should give up their freedoms to preserve peace, or that they should stop being making noises about the soft termination and that kind of thing. and the china will go away. but i think also what's important to notice is that china's live fire drills also off example targeted map that there is missiles that end up in japan's exclusive economic zone. others also chinese, the lock to be directed at south korea vamp on the yellow sea. and the boise and so i think this points to china's rather expensive aimed at regression towards mattress taiwan, that if taiwan is cedar over in some form, they windows be taiwan. i mean, tara china would still continue to be aggressive in the area. and i think that's, that's very key to keep in mind. i'm just looking here on my laptop and it says a piece that you wrote brian for the guardian. it says,
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don't believe china's convenient historical tales. taiwan belongs to the taiwanese earlier this month on the out 0 show the bottom line, the u. s. ambassador to china had this to say about the history of china and taiwan . and the relationship between taiwan and china have a listen to this. the classroom of taiwan fundamentally speaking is not a bog to democracy, or freedom is about china's national sovereignty. and tara, tara antiquity, is about the, the national dignity of chinese people. the historical fact is that china has been pop. taiwan has been part of china since ancient times. people need to understand history and need to know the international law.
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ryan, how do you argue with a country that says it's a historical fact that your nation is part of our nation? well, i think it's an invented history because the fact is the p r c has never controlled taiwan. and china often claimed these claims about ancient history. but i don't know why we're then evaluate in validating the current claims latanya people to soft termination based on age and history. that parity has never controlled taiwan . it is when the force of them over through imperial china and then it's founding these claims to taiwan based of imperial chinese history. but if you look at it, i only became a province in $887.00 and then a mirror, a year later, it was seated to the japanese. and so that's already the last imperial dynasty. it's not the case that was part of try and often time immortal, but then china will deploy these nationalists abstractions about long term or ancient history to claim that i want it just about with the part china. i think that 1st ab claims shouldn't matter. in the face of contemporary chinese, people think what their future should be, do they, i did fire chinese or not,
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and i think the answer is probably not. and then also in this history is also not incorrect. is this incorrect, it's not true and try to continue to try to claim though just in terms of the conversation with other peices. ready world ready? i think, i think although the history that the, the sort of the chinese ambassador understands, i don't, i don't think it's right, but it's very important that that's the reason why the people in this region, not just in taiwan, but in this region. field. china is so dangerous, is a bad neighbor because we, that kind of ideology. china can also claimed korea is a part of china. mongolia is a part of china. vietnam is a part of china, all of these region that have been invaded by china in that, in their thousands of history. are they on their legal territories in that kind of ideologies? they are so dangerous in this region that's,
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that's the reason why we always emphasize that. we always tell the world that if we lose taiwan, then they will have a next. taiwan will not be the last one to, to be sacrificed to, to lose. but they are always to be the next one because with that kind of chinese ideology, they play a very dangerous role in these region and all always the threats to the neighbors. can i hear it? yeah. way to go ahead and more. so the beginning, the, the chinese and better to say it's not about democracy and not democracy. i think it absolutely has a lot to do with preserving democracy. i know it sounds like just a value thing that has only have symbolic meaning. but as a matter of fact, china is right now, one of the largest authoritarian country in the world. and in the past decade they have been trying to ask for their authoritarianism through their building role
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initiative and with the rise of populism and the erosion of democracy. everywhere in the world, i think preserving democracy, what if it preserving? i will preserver mockers. it special important. it said a very strong, you know, not only for talented people but also or basically people me in democracy around the, from the globe. and as a matter of fact, one is the, the chinese, you can democracy right now in the world. i think it, the ambassador think that's not the point or the matter. i think it's because he doesn't believe democracy in the functional is a couple waiting in the try to speak. we're waiting. we, we, we have a split in our youtube audience who are watching right now. so diane, me, brooke says taiwan, 1st of all is not a country. that is a fact. so bryan and waiting, and freddy, you, you push back or not. marie says taiwan has
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a right to be free. they were annex during the king dine, it didn't queen dynasty the skis, made the ching dynasty, but it was never colonized like japan. there was a debate that goes back and forth. i am wondering just from the psyche of people who live in taiwan waiting. you did have a wonderful example of that. when i said the level of anxiety outside of taiwan was 8. but inside of taiwan was one. what about the level of threat that you feel from your neighbor? where is that on that scale of one to 10? the idea that china is saying actually, taiwan belongs to us at some point. we want to take it. what's the level of anxiety there? are. so i think how, and no matter how people call, whether time is a country or not, it is a, it is a, it's a society that democratically elect. it's
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a top decision maker for the past more than 20 years. and it has the democratic government. people have all the democratic rights. so regardless how other people calls, i want it is a function mean our sovereignty state. and so on that level, i don't think i, i don't think up anxiety level is that high for people when i was just give us a number cuz it's always illuminating on a number, a scale of one to 10. and i made sure that china will actually one day take taiwan . doesn't want all the anxiety level there are me personally is rowing. okay. rob? probably $5.00 to $75.00 to $7.00. i'm just okay, sure. just check me friday, cuz when the last 30 seconds would show your anxiety level that china will one day take taiwan. what john? diety level freddy, $1.00 to $10.00. yeah, i think about 7. okay. and brian, well,
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i think about to say, why don't you preach about though it's not immediate disrupt the i submitted that seemed that way. all right, sounds fascinating. i. i love that you helped us understand taiwan from the inside looking out. so outside this hyperbole inside there's relatively com 5 to 7 amount of com. all right, thank you so much for being with us, brian and freddy, and waiting after your comments and questions you're debating on youtube. appreciate that. i will see you next time on the street, like watching, take care. ah, 5 years ago me and mars armed forces commenced a scorched earth campaign against the rowing gun minority, leaving a trail of death and destruction. hundreds of thousands were forced into exile in neighboring bangladesh. in a special report, we look at the plight of the ro,
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