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narrative riddled with inconsistencies. ah, let's take you through some of those headlines now. according thailand is suspended prime minister prior to the channel of why the review of his term limits is completed. pilot took power in a qu in 2014 critic saying he's reached the maximum limit of 8 years in office. tony chang is more from bangkok he is suspended temporarily and that they will come to a decision by the end of september. the senior deputy prime minister private once one will step up into his place for the moment. but because he hold their position to pope defense minister, he'll still be in government. he'll still be a member of the cabinet and he's still be very much involved. that said, i think this is going to be seen by the protest. this is something of a victory. they've been shipping away prior to notice position for

a couple of years now. the u. s. military says it's carried out a strike near the syrian city of desert. central command says it was aimed at protecting its forces from attacks carried out by rainy and backed groups. iran says israel is trying to sabotage progress in reviving the 2015 nuclear deal. the head of iran's nuclear energy organization says israel stage, days of psychological warfare follows reports in u. s. media to her and has dropped some key demands from the deal to her and denies the saying it's been compliant. ukrainians are holding muted celebrations to mark 31 years of independence from soviet rule. mass gatherings have been banned in the capital key of curfews have been imposed in some cities. voting is on the way in angola and what's expected to be its closest election and

decades. the ruling party of president jour lorenzo is aiming to extend its 47 years in power for my u. s. police officers pleaded guilty for her role in the death of brown taylor, a black woman, shot and killed during a police raid. taylor died in her home in 2020. her death sparks protests. as the headline since i saw we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter what you see, al jazeera will bring you the news. and current affairs that matter to you. out as in europe, is a return to the iran nuclear deal imminent thereon has responded to the use plan to restore the 2015 accord. poolside. so waiting for the us to reply. so what are the

final hurdle to a new agreement? this is inside story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. diplomat say they believe they're close to restoring the 2015 iran nuclear deal. former president donald trump pulled the us out in 2018, but for the past 16 months negotiators from washington, anton, have been working with the other signatories to re establish the accord. european union laid down what it called its final offer earlier this month. few details have been officially made public sources of toll down to 0. the new deal will be rolled out and 4 phases over to 60 day periods. functions. on 17 banks and a 150 economic institutions will be lifted,

iran will scale back its nuclear ambitions and be able to export 15000000 barrels of oil a day. they use foreign policy chief says to run has given what he calls a reasonable response to the proposal to set boil says he expects the us to reply this week. if they can leave you. okay, you're, i understand this to be the points of equilibrium when neither one side nor the other can make things better. it was communicated to the participants of the negotiation. basically, iranians and north americans and every one, british germans, french, chinese, and russians. there was an iranian response, which i consider reasonable. it was transmitted to the united states. the u. s. has not risk on the formerly, but we are waiting for the response. and iran has accused the us of delaying its response. more the morning between him of we can talk about this round of talks being fruitful only when the europeans announced that they have received a response by the american law. and washington has denied stalling the talks. the

state apartments that ron appears to have dropped some of its demands, such as were moving a wrong revolution regards from its list of terror organizations. president has been clear, he's been firm, he's been consistent, that he will not list the terrorism designation on the i r g z, a runs demand that we do so has been removed from the latest version of the text that we have seen. and that's part of the reason why a deal is closer now than it was 2 weeks ago. but the outcome of these ongoing discussions, doreen's uncertain as gaps do remain. so how did we get to this point? well, in 2015 iran and 6 wild powers agreed to a historic deal in limited terrans nuclear activities and allowed international inspectors to monitor it's activities in return, crippling economic sanctions on the country were lifted. that in 2018, the us made

a unilateral decision to withdraw from the accord under donald trump's leadership. washington re imposed sanctions, and hereon retaliated by breaching uranium enrichment limits. and 2021 talks to revive the nuclear deal began in vienna. joe biden succeeded trump several rounds have taken place, but a deal has so far been evasive. ah, well, let's bring in our guests now and into rome. we have muhammad mirandi advisors. the iranian negotiation team in vienna, in berlin is hamad razor as easy visiting fellow at the german institute for international and security affairs. and in washington, d. c. is alex tanker senior fellow and founder of the iran program at the middle east institute of i will welcome to all of you, mom and mirandi. let's start with you because the signs are good, aren't they? is there a workable proposal to revive the 2015 deal on the table?

well, 1st of all, i have to point out that iran did not withdraw any demand. and i think americans are trying to solve this at all. i've been saying this for months that removing the guards from the us terrace list. it is not something and isn't, was not a precondition. and i've said this often people can check my interviews. i probably said it on al jazeera multiple times, so that the statements coming from washington don't make any sense. iran will continue to have sent com on its terrorist organization list. but yes, i do agree that a lot has been achieved over the past few months. and the iranians were able to, again, significant ground on all the different friends with whether sanctions or whether

it's it has to do with verification or sequencing and assurances and the b u. e. u foreign policy chief. the statement that was quoted earlier on in the package he in it, he says that the iranian proposals or the iranian points that they made in their response were reasonable. so obviously, the paul is not only in the american court in eyes of the iranian, now by the ha, all, it can court according to the you. so just to be clear on that 1st point that you made mom a deal saying that the iranians were never demanding that the revolution recalls be taken off the terrorist list in the u. s. before the deal could be revived. yet the iranians never demanded the cars being root removed from the so called f t o list, the foreign terrorist organization list,

and anyone who doubts that they can use a search engine. check my interviews, probably if you turn on al jazeera and on my twitter alex, is that something that you can corporate that from where you are in washington d. c? i don't know what mr. moran did it on this issue over the last few months. i think the consensus here in washington would certainly be that that was an issue to raise were pressing or hard if i remember right, come out a very senior member of the rainy regime close to i to look harmony. i believe it was a dog forum who made that point, that the revolution guards needed to be off the u. s. terrorism list. so, you know, i don't know exactly where different players were, but this was certainly a factor for a while and it seems to not be a factor in the moment, at least that's it. say regardless of the status, it seems to be a moot point because it appears that revelation regards

a not on the table any more 100 ways a how close to you think we are guessing? the 2015 deal revived. my understanding is we are closer than anytime before since the re as far as the negotiations after racy took office because, you know, at some points beaver actually saying kind of maxim august, the ones on the right hand side, which was somehow, you know, of course, was not accepted by, by the us sign, but i just recently, you know, on issues like this thing the i see or other points. i think iran has made a lot of, you know, kind of or better to say, a series of reasonable concessions. that is the reason why joseph of the, you know, foreign policy chief has kind of called the wrong response. reasonable. so at this

moment i think borrow the statement goes on. same for time in the sense that the kind of, in the mention that it's up to the united states now to decide because much whatever the european side could do. i think they have already gone. and it was mentioned before, it's kind of a final officer and so on. the positions are basic questions, positions on both sides. so that is now the situation. so it's really much up to the united states to be the response to the proposal that alex says generate captain ball is now in the u. s. s court, but if biden stalling look at laura, we have to admit to simple reality here. there's a lot of politics around this issue, both in washington and the terra inter on a president race in is team want to give the rainy public the impression that the

deal is about to be born maybe is so much better than hasanti would have negotiated this is part of the rain in factional politics, the so called reformers than the so called hard liners, each want to be the national champions, didn't playing this game for months in the washington. you know, the democratic party is not doing well president, by these approval ready is historic low. he can afford to see week not after the debacle in afghanistan and all sorts of questions about his handling of foreign policy. so he's making sure that, you know, he doesn't look week lot of democrats in congress are already on the fence is not opposing this deal because of political reasons. so unfortunately, politics in washington, iran is just not helping this diplomatic process. a lot of we agree with that with to say that there's pressure in the political actions of terror on to present a better deal than with honey. could have negotiated look,

i was on the, i was with the doctor's and he's in vienna in 2015 during the whole period of the negotiations, the 3 weeks. and i was with the current team and yet, and during the whole period when they were negotiating. and it is very obvious to me that while both teams were did their best. but for whatever reason, the iranians have been able to gain enormous concessions this time round, and in fact, to correct a point that was previous them previously made. mr. hor l said spoke favourably about their points that the iranians made though which were linked to the so called final tax. in other words the iranians were saying this final tax has deficiencies that have to be addressed and mr. war i'll, when he read and when they studied the writing proposals, he got, he said that they were reasonable. so for the united states had to give concessions

. but the fact is that the right, the concessions that the iranians gained. we're all about implementing the j. c. p, away, nothing more than that. what the americans want to do is have a g p a way where they don't abide by their commitments in full and iranians do so . and he writes, are not going to have that again. when obama signed the deal, he systematically violated the deal from day one. he was supposed to hell, hell facilitate the normalization of iranian trade in business? and what he did in reality, through the treasury was threatened banks financial institutions, shipping companies, insurance companies, big business not to work with iran. that was a clear violation of the deal. and then trump tore up the deal and bite in despite criticising trump. he pursued trumps maximum pressure policy, which was directed at ordinary iranians. so the rhine is of looking at the past at american violations, whereas we all know that the, i mean,

we're biting by their commitment. so this time around the run is big game these concessions, basically to make sure that the americans alongside the iranian abide by their commitment 100 raise. that is one of those concessions has been raised in the media . if one, those confessions that the us will face a fine if a future president, again, we next on the deal is that in this proposal. as you know, let's see. what we have here are seen in the media has been based on the list all deal on the radio and side. so there is no concrete detail on the right hand side. as far as i know, lots based on my understanding, you know, there might be some pro vision to mention in terms of the kind of formal line or something like that. the compensation is tonight to state decides to be there all again. but i shouldn't say doubt that any kind of, you know,

i guarantee or you know, compensation, lifestyle would be actually implementable because, you know, there is a matter of whether on to what extent any kind of agreements. i mean the deal it would be binding, let alone the issue of compensation. so i think this is something more related to your, on the, on the sticks politics. because at the end of the day, the system needs to sell the agreement to the public or something stronger than on the matter of this issue. grantee is, has been something that they have been working on. and this might serve that surface next week, or the stand, the iranians lack of trust, given that the us unilaterally pulled out of the form a deal in 2018. but as having to raise the said all the, any guarantees that workable within the u. s political and legal system.

look this short answer to that is no american president guarantee a deal permanent. i mean, you need to go through to congress. you need to ratify a treaty to have that, you know, state of course, going forward, regardless of who is in the white house. now, this, i'm a republic of iran has very few credit friends in the united states congress. and you know, and this is the point that goes back to what we heard just earlier in terms of us intentions. look, number one, it is a mistake. it's a folly and has been from day one to assume that you can have anything that's permanent. the rain inside should have looked at the biting term in office, and it might be a to term president by the might be a one term president by but there was a window of opportunity and instead of working with buyers and they really play politics, but quite a bit, i understand that they didn't want to fall into the same truck again, i totally understandable, but they try to pay or make bite and pay for the sins of trump if you will. that

was a mistake. there are still 2 years left. there's a lot that can be done, negotiated and, and i think it's a strategic mistake on the part of the republic of iraq to stick to the nuclear talks along what they need to do. and it should have done this from day one by and came to the white house, is to broaden the conversation and admit to the fact that the reigning foreign policy would benefit from being more balanced to talk to the west and not put all their eggs in the basket of the likes of russia and china. this is a political ideological decision islamic republic needs to make if they do that, i think any deal that might be reached will have so much more likelihood to succeed beyond by the presidency. and if there's time, i like to talk about something else that you can do, but i'll leave that out for now, please. yet we will definitely give you more time in a moment, a bomb, a lot of things to answer the and alex is on the, but i was what i want to put it to you where the iranians, you want him. people might consider that bite and also made

a mistake and missing the opportunity to renegotiate this deal. and will hon these final, last month and 2021 might have been an easier task. yes, the problem was that bitin wanted more than what he deserved. he wanted the rom to implement the deal and full, and he wanted the united states again added concessions. that was what truck was after. so why would iran resists trumps excessive demands and a piece, trump, and then then later on and, and refrain from appeasing trauma and then later on, go in a piece, bided. now that's, that's, that's, that would be ridiculous. actually, what the iranians have done at the negotiations. one thing that they did was that they created inherit insurance. insurances, in other words, if the united states doesn't live up to its obligations, the iranians can very quickly returned enriching uranium at the pace it is doing. now that makes them in cartons pay

a price for leaving the deal. the problem that we had under obama and binding was his vice president was that the united states didn't pay a price for violating the deal. the problem under trump was that the united states didn't pay a price for leaving a deal. these negotiations went to, to ensure that the united states pays the price. and this is a good thing for the deal because it protects the deal. if both sides feel that staying in the deal is a better thing is good for the deal. one final point that i'd like to me in that is that in 2015, when the deal was signed, the iranian leader, ayatollah. how many said that if the united states abide by its commitment in good faith, other issues could be discussed. and then in that speech you said, although i don't believe the united states will abide by its commitments in good faith and he was absolutely correct, the united states wasted an opportunity. and why should you run and speak about other issues when the united states is not abiding by,

it's the commitment that it's signed on to. so if the united states in future wants to start talking to the iranians about multiple issues 1st, they have to show that they are reasonable in their obligate with regards to their obligations in any future nuclear deal. ah other dresser, how difficult has it been to try to keep this deal alive as you are the e u member states china, russia also trying to, to keep this deal going when you've got to very different sides who won't even sit at the same table during these particular negotiations. now of course, you know, when you have the 2 sides that are not sure the one of them is not ready to negotiate with the other party. and you need to have both a party to the agreement on that emotions and also to play the role of a mediator it's, it's quite difficult and this has been so my understanding one of the main reasons

that, you know, it took so long for us to reach the point that we are, and this is still kind of on certain situation. but, you know, here speaking of you, i think that's the kind of very interesting change. and it was all because you know, what you used to do before was to somehow play the role of mediate or more likely to kind of messenger, i would say, you know, that's me, the single kind of reduce the, the role of messenger between your, on the united states, but seen as the cross, i think we've been witnessing your kind of increase role of the you in terms of comment on its own initiatives like the proposal that's that's we saw and of course there's a few reasons like, you know, the potential for iran to go back to the energy market. it's potential for, you know, increasing it's going for the auction. the sanctions are also the fact that the

europeans don't swans new or you know, it's in europe, snail close neighborhood. so these factors, i think i've contribute to, to the more active role. my dear, okay, i'm, you know, not without that. i don't think that we could reach the point that you are the moment. absolutely. oh, the other sides actually got israel looming large doing what it can to stop. the deal feels reporting just few days ago that the prime minister ela pete told the us to walk away from these talks. i mean, we know that to buys and he's taking his time to respond is this because of israel's leverage within the us? well, i say 2 things about the role of these railways in all of this number one is just put yourself into shoes israelis. you're sitting there cards, you have just on a 10000000 people and you have the right not far away. a country of 85000000 that has since 970 and i'm about to destroy you. anybody on a human level would have to sympathize with the fears that these ratings have. now

not for a 2nd defending with israelis are doing to be the policy unions and also some other criticism you can let put at the door of his role. but i'm that essential read republic of iran and don't take my word for it. listen to this speech. accommodate was be the supreme court with the system. so 1989. we're just going to jump all 3 minutes left. we know the antagonism between israel and iran, it just wants to know how much israel is steining the u. s. responding to the steel . look, i think it is really, really don't have much of a plan b here. the best i can do is help the united states. they really don't have a military strike option to get to the right. they know what it would have done a long time ago. they had it. so all israel really should do is to support the united states in any way possible to make sure that iran and the risk will come to an agreement in terms of the right to do to program. ok. mom does that. does iran have a plan b if this bill is not revived? but 1st of all,

i'd like to say that he runs off position to israel. if i could talk position to apartheid, south africa, you run once. this system, this race is regime to n, like the whole debate that we will, we do have what inside, sorry, buddy. time. so please that the nuclear dale. well, the iranians, if the united states at this point went both the european and the iranian are saying that the ball is in the us court. if americans are not reasonable, you run, it will continue to expand their piece from nuclear program. and also we are closing in on winter, the weather is going to get very cold in europe, the europeans are going to suffer. and so as the united states, the price of energy is high. so if the united states wants to ease pressure on ordinary europeans, instead of sacrificing them, they should listen to joseph wera. okay, uh huh. crazy you hear there that iran will continue expanding what it calls it? peaceful nuclear program. i mean, it has enriched uranium to 60 percent, it needs to be in which to 90 percent, for it to be

a nuclear bomb. and we have had the supreme leader senior advisor in july saying that ron is technically capable of making a nuclear bomb. if this deal doesn't happen, how dangerous a situation is, the region in well, of course, a collision of detention, especially it's been on israel because, you know, of course not as you're either gets mentioned, you know, there's not a lot of options that it has, but one option that it has been resorting to has been to having these course activities against it on the clearing for instructions and on the right now the response was actually, you know, excessive with the situation. but once you get points, you know, there's a kind of understanding i think, regarding the position of view cause you know, he was and there's a need something quite obvious. but then if you want to

also ignore the thread lines they would have already recently, i very much trust because, you know, you know, this whole debate is about the very fact that europeans have their own deadlines as well. so i don't think that's, you know, you're ongoing further than anything at the regional level and also still think programs would be really helpful in guessing more from the europeans or dinners. ok, a very interesting discussion. indeed, we're going to have to leave it for the moment though mohammed mirandi hammond res, as easy, and alex, but tanka, thank you very much for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's out there at dot com. and to further discussion to get to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. it was a during the conversation on twitter handle is a inside story from me laura kyle, i'm the whole team here. it's bye for now. the

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