over 19 but did as a result also, she called them and i think it's incumbent upon us is the government party as close to me as the private sector, to finalize on social called booked. and the find the mostly for all of us. and they, she, we, because we know we're not, you know, i think most people would agree with that jani rousseau bring you. and now what can you can on the impact of a strike like this have. and as we've heard, the union say more plan. so what effect will that have if they do carry on having more strikes like these was formerly called any, the shortest in any economy arises. the cost of employment of labor makes it more expensive to employ people off of standard action like this. employers will try to find ways to the place workers with capital. this is especially true in the midst

of the industrial revolution. we new technology saw the better over the workers. so that perspective, the stock is really not helping the employed. i do this in a serious crisis. we need higher economic decided by the people that do things that the amc government and not do the agency needs. ready to come, there will be that we'd basement such time as we'd have to supply and secondly, fix them. so these, we need service deliveries from our seventy's. but this i am, she government has no will be, as we've seen off that a decade of good option state capture. this is the price that many south africans occupied or the mason that the agency government that's made in south africa. ok, dakota, what's your response to that? is this your miss?

no, we're all the challenges, but we have air disingenuous to say about c. busy when we go, i know before we go into the family, call us back or social well bring it to consideration and we'll. ready to reinvest in the economy, which has not been the case where was 17 recover and cobalt monies which were lost from corruption. but we still expect the private sector to bring that part, which has not been particularly in terms of green, but you know, about the equipment they paid on drug sector. we

we does that thing today. they have an investment which is click but which is a summer country, the new part to be column. and i don't think that the best interest of any body it would be important that all of us. ringback together about social boats we get. busy all kinds of bank it was supposed to be any game or not can baby born like me saying that the a call today because those are those where the funds, i don't know why really slow where it's how do you in the future. alicia the country for the benefit of my children and those who come after us. okay, moving on from who's responsible to how do we go about fixing some of these problems? you know we've, we've heard low wages, unemployment, inflation, the high cost of petrol and food. picky can you lay out exactly what it is you want

the government to do now? i demanded. and business landed with one business to stop the investments, trying one them, tory, i mean to mobilize essays and invest back to the economy. one, what do they call it? the investment impact. so one business tool to do that from government one tool, amanda regulation, 28, which allows the finds of where kind of student best and on social development on issues that are impressed that checks on the spectra by one s. i mean, no one government to fix escal because is true that without making this up you are not going to get any for an investor coming at home. but it's also in the interest of the be local business, triple to back and ask,

because you will be difficult for x gone because is a coal fired power stations to be able track investment internationally. because people who said we can invest in called power station. so it must be a business local business, domestic business invest. government has to do with corruption. we will create that some of the issues are issues of the past. they preach him by corruption. it is not the question of trying please to privatize estate on enterprise. is that what they've been billed by? that date a state is not is a is an issue that you, that i think from how they a government has been raising some of these issues. so you may want them to fix the prospect. so that's what can be able to transport goods from their

production line to day to the buy and be able to export. so there are issues back to government can do immediately. it may not give all the employ 10000000 people, but it has to be done asked dining the issues all for for i went out with this is the, what i mean in technology has been on the times coming. i've been dealing with those issues. we know we've just kind of just think of the international labor organization. technology is not going to be consumer. you can produce some things to technology, but some boyd to some way a human being should be able to buy that. and for that human being to be able to buy the products that human be must be brought before, shall stop elite. so far out is not going to say what country and he's not going to say by economy. if we're going to be just using the mediation,

going to be putting in for the common stock, we know that when we're getting better able to consume the cost that to the business will produce. so it's not just one way back to increase their wages and taking money and put it under people putting the money back today. their bonds typically candidates back to their using this technology. unemployment rate is very, very low, is not 40 percent using the not the finish. ok, jani, just on this, in your opinion, how has the economy be been mismanaged? is this primarily the government's fault? or is it because of external factors that have been outside its control? for me i am she got no doubt in my mind about it. i didn't see government screwed up. it's been up to it's for we've had

a very good at the station i had bought i years ago that the she government should get the rest of the national in like, i say i it is now 8 years like the funny and lighter diabetes off the line, so the government also does not take good advice. i have another better advice for the government. the dentist is just publish, it really is scrutiny and we will know exactly what's going wrong. we will know exactly how to fix it. ok, this government lacks the whoa to change its own activities. the good option is a range in the a and c government and they, for the people are suffering a lack of shows the liberty of incidentally investment in discovery. well, it's kind of d that it does, it is applied to start with

a strong publish all the contract or public scrutiny. there's no reason why it should be a secret. and while we on this topic, but i am see can also answer the question, why not publish all context of all government departments and all prevention? government departments, excuse me, after all, east tax money. only once we are full transparency, we will be able to fix discovery. but i would like to hear, i see on publishing of contracts. please don't. ok, dakota. it's something that your government has prepared to to publish those contracts. the initial publishing concepts. there's never been a difficult montalvo. ready we want to call them by public information axis x, which allows agency to, to come in and petition through the court. any information on any state.

and that's why the law allows you to, i don't understand why. so when you access to that particular information, dr. class but. busy it can bring that by british to court to get done, but we're just not supposed to be difficult. and that's why she was doing the commission on state of capture were for public access, information act and all other explanations, which allows but it was in government and look, i don't see any difficulty for government impress, laid it through a problem. so she's all regulation that make everything her access every information conspiring because optimal even experience modeling. busy sustaining the state and, and they. busy know how we can develop

a relationship where death supposed to be different? no, she's not in a position and see where we we don't actually we stand show that there was a better life, one of the individual elements today and see what they did. and so far we have to do that with the african. ready including some of a chevy jacobs some already in caught waiting to be charged. so there is a general an example. so that issue that they got rid of us is the right. but there's. busy something an action that we're going, what people are going into the report was they don't capture individual people

with commendations. what needs to be done. so there's nothing that ride from the we also treating the king. ready all what is happening and i don't think we can i think we missed a little more of us and that's why we're one from the private sector. and those are also close to be honest government countries, but we're in charge of the money. so call me, i still even want be used to call the structure of the corner where minorities, i just trillions and billions of our country. and i'm gonna make an example that there's an investment quote, we're all on the street on a chain. so we are asking quality for the private sector, the 1st the money we don't government,

you can get the problem but help us. ringback to get to the on the got out sluggish schools but right. it is because is loaded to the betterment of the indigent under quote is also to determine overcome with buses exist to love muscle ok. just focusing on the pow across us in south africa at the moment. rolling blackouts sometimes for up to 6 hours a day in places has been described as a winter of discontent. obviously having a severe effect on the economy and could even last for another 2 or 3 years. picky just how bad is it and how devastating has it been to the economy and the workers that oversee that supports. thank you very much for the question. now press, but i just want to reach a point that me, that quote,

option the in south africa is not only the petition, but also the private sector that deeply involved in collection. so let's talk about it. takes 2 to tango. private sector is involved in corruption. i've seen it through this under commission in regards to a question, i think it's the bus day to be the question of the slow shave being stopped based on timing and etc, etc. and we understand because we have meant to the men of ask woman understand the problem and they said, look, you can stop shaving now, maybe 4 months or so. but what will have been there that will be totally shut down . because if you are not giving a space for maintainance on some of this unit, we're just going point. is that trying to my make

a very kevin more and slow processes because they have a m a g. the question of the i p p. and the one that a private sector tend to, to, to establish is not going to have planned in the next 6 months or so it's going to take, maybe 12, i mean, truck miles to the 6 months in dealing with those. so it's something that we have to, to live with it unless government, they promise they are going to look to their procurement processes. because why don't the program and management is saying that following the, the process is and in procuring and, and ask it takes one very, very long time. by the time you receive the, the parts that you want it mainly patch will be affected in dealing with those issues. so if government can come up, bring as common port and everybody on board and deal with this issue. i think we can mitigate some of these processes while we're trying to find the last thing

solution, but is due by state. okay, jani, just want to finish with you briefly here on unemployment, obviously, you know, record highs. why can't there for the kids economy match the demands or availability of that workforce? you mean you've got very high unemployment, but also a youth unemployment, but a really highly educated one. what is the main issue there? i think is other situation is it's a national crisis and unfortunately people suffered as a result of this national crisis. and when will i have a problem twice as long as the population can hire, the population grows at about one and a half. the said to me as being an allow guys as a result of good actions in the a n. c government,

as i stated before. and what does that include on? because i didn't brother remove it will not become small, that the economy will not go until such time as we should be from a strong service delivery admins, or government. obviously a range of issues that are clearly a going to take some time to solve. just want to thank all 3 of our guests speaking chelly, chelly, jani rousseau, and dakota, la with a. thank you so much for coming on the program. well, thank you. also for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. how handle is at a j inside story. from may till mccrae and the whole team here. bye for now.

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