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have been found in this area before. that's why it's called dinosaur state park. but this is the longest continuous set discovered that are 60 footprints each. the size of a dinner plate left by a dinosaur that it was about 4 and a half meters high. weighs about the same as a hippopotamus, and was a carnival. and the detail is astonishing. lamps such wandering gladstone, that it left a lot of detail from the feet of the acro that walked through there. and so you can see things like, you know, the paddle feet, things that you don't expect to see a dancer trackers that old years because with water in the river, the tracks would normally be covered by sediment. the drought has dried, died out, revealing the historic find, volunteers have been working to document and preserve this little snapshot of history. but with when predicted this look into the past me soon disappear. alan fisher algebra.
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ah, let us thank you through some of the headlines here now. jesse are now pakistan's, former prime minister on con, has been granted bail by an antique terra colt in islamabad. the case will resume next month. cons accused of threatening police and a judge who ordered the arrest of his ta paid. come on either his outside the court in the summer by there was an apprehension that he would be arrested as he rived and caught a few days earlier. the government was hell bent over it at that time, thousands of the boarders gathered around their house and it became difficult to also have the lawyer then went to the mama by the icc, ot and gordon, and get him back by dad all on debated that he would have to appear before that and did get them called re game this morning and was granted and get him bell again
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until the 1st of september. hundreds over at the border. gad, their dad county chanting logan's against the government. hundreds of thousands of ra hanger are mocking 5 years since they fly the military crime down to me and more close to a 1000000 people are now living what's become the world's largest refugee camp in bangladesh. in man mom, the former british ambassador to the country has been arrested. vicki bauman runs the man ma center for responsible business. she and her husband were detained in the angle for violating immigration laws on wednesday. bauman served as bassett, from 2002 to 2006 us police chief has been 5 because of a bungle place response to a school shooting in texas may 19 children, and 2 teachers were killed at rob elementary school in new val de ukraine's president says
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a russian rocket attack in the east and on the gradient as killed at least 22 people. a lot of moves and landscape says the strike said a passenger train on fire in chaplin. the attack happened 6 months to the day since russia invaded in april or at least $57.00 people were killed in an attack on the chroma station in the don bass region. as the headlines, it's the stream. now, a weekly look at the world's top business stories from global markets to economies and small businesses to understand how it affects our daily lives, economic damage in counting the cost on o, g, u i i s i me okay to down the street. we're talking about the congo basin,
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that is the location of the world's 2nd largest rain forest. it is also home to tropical paint lands, the world's largest tropical paint lands. it is a carbon sink, which means that it absorbs carbon dioxide rather than creates carbon dioxide and also the natural habitat for gorillas soon to be or so the site, the gas, an oil prospectus, take a look. ah, with an estimated potential enough for me to bring in bows of oil in 3 major city mean to basins and 66000000 cubic meters of me than gas and they keep m d r. c is a new destination of investments for oil and gas companies. from 282292 like 2020 to the hydrocarbons ministry of t. r. c will organize a bidding on for exploration and production rights on $27.00 petroleum plots, and 3 gas logs in. they keep international and national or in and gas companies. i invited to join the beans. ya see as a new destination for investments. welcome to
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d. r. c, today show is the democratic republic of congo, putting all and gas revenues ahead of the global climate crisis. joining us, we have simon, and bone. they're going to give us their expert takes nice to have both of you with a simon. you tell our audience what you do. i'm a scientist, i work on climate change and tropical forests. so i've worked in the congo basis for many years now trying to understand his role in the global climate system yet to have a alan bon, welcome to the stream. tell our audience what you dig a thank you for me. um, whenever tenens equalization add to this to i think of myself as having a pinch and for him to find the stories of communities picking up for their rights to a silver healthy environment and standing up against the greed of big business. and the vested interest of governments. and what, most importantly,
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i'm head of communications with greenpeace, are for go, which gives me plenty of opportunity to tell those stories are i'm looking forward to those stories. so audience viewers watching night. now if you're new to the comments section is open and available for you. many of you i know understand the pros and cons of natural resources and fossil fuels. what are you think about the d r c opening itself up for oil and gas prospectors, but your comments, your questions right here. we did try to involve the d. r. c government. let me tell you all of the people that we reached out to ministry of hybrid hydrocarbons. the environment ministry, the ministry of communications. he said, yes, yes, we do want to be on the stream and then completely ghosted us. but i am so glad that we have long and simon, because they are right here and wouldn't dream of ghosting as if you're watching government of the asi at comment section of you chip. please, please be part of asha. all right, so let's take a look at this area in the congo basin,
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where there are opening up options and bidding for oil and gas prospectus i, if you look around the edge you see with those red areas are, those are the areas that are going to be up for, for bidding right now, all the way through to april of next year. simon, what do you see in that graphic and, and, but i'm gonna ask me the same thing. what does that say to you that well, to me is there's a big problems on the horizon because those red areas, my team estimate cover 11000000 hectares. tropical rain forest, a lot of his, the, all the communities that are living there and all the plants and animals within the 11000000 hacked, it is 1000000 hector's tropical people. and some of the most carbon dens you could distance at if those areas are opened up even just a loop for oil, then that could open the floodgates to wildlife loss,
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deforestation, and all sorts of problems for the local communities. they're involved from a community perspective. if there's an opportunity for the communities in those areas where they're going to be prospecting, or is it opening up some real problems for them in terms of what their land will look like? what, what farming will look like, what their livelihoods will look like? for me, i will tell you what i see there is i'll ride cartridge by the government of the d . c on these people. and of course, the wildlife, the areas that you mapped in read a very rich ecosystems that does causing some of the most p c national reserves in the geography. and it's home to millions of people. i think we are over 40 villages just between the been by lake region and the equator prevents
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which would be africa had the privilege of visiting just before the options happened on july 28th. and for this communities, what they see is complete disaster because you will recall it's over for 60 years now. 40 is more more to be exact. that some of the alarm who already transformed into conservation parks, which were very, which meant restrictions to how they could function and how they could operate. and then for the past they could have been having to deal with the team. but in the got t, my exploration and a full from mrs. king with that and to, to know that the atlanta up for auction has been a sort of fear of despair and outreach for this community. so what i see there, it's, it's, it's nothing but college and total disaster for the communities that are leaving. and standing on this lands, i want to bring into our conversation. allen, connie is a congress journalist. he's been reporting on this is ocean,
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that is happening right now in the d. r. c l is really good to have you. when you're reporting on this, this is a good news story for people in the geography. thank you very much for the me and i don't think it may be a good news for you, but you know the people are a little bit. what did they know? very well. not resources which the government does. it have to change the tissue as the government is trying to convince people that this really includes what is up with the budget. so the come of the country, for example, the country to tackle detroit the 2 issue. we come from these guys, the oil or opening for us to, to do for the, for us to, to come inside it. when you talk with people you discussed with the population that you don't feel like people really warm about the idea because they know very well,
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but out of the for it which they know. and also we have towers and need to enough people living their life depend on for with and also the lake which ours are targeted by the government. with this project, people, they do know the way that it is not about this is all about money for the nutrition or for government, but it's not like it. this will change more. something very special in their life. the no way that this is all about politics and politicians trying to, to, to talk to some of the different go get on for, for the own interest. so yes, people are not really. they don't take it as a big story or a big achievement, which the government may, may achieve in the coming they buy. they do believe that it's all about money and so on. but the countries still have so many capacity to do to get to money by using the option. as i said,
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this is interesting because on youtube and among and signing on you just as a conversation about. but the d r c, it needs to be developed. isn't this a good opportunity to have funds to develop the d. c? because it isn't at the moment among but you know, i'm long and then you start guide. well, if you go on julie's, you know, because we, when you go in the gym, for example, did you people are, they all know that we have for example, enough minute we, which we have to kind of be developed. if you let you say, i'm really so remind you to remind our audience how many minerals would be off the have the most of the, i think the big news of cobalt for example, in terms of the joint we have right now. the country is trying to open a little, you know, it's rotational in the katana. this will be
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a $1000000000.00 income in the country. and also we have been living with this municipal years right now. but people still the same question that i was saying previously. what the countries did with the money from the minute was, what are we doing with the money from the mean? it was up to now it is all about really on that we are talking about a year. so it's not like a capacity. yes. and i think that makes a very good point for me because we need to understand that if sending of resources to the highest speed was the way for the see to improve its economy to become, to, to, to, to look after the interest of its people as the government has been saying over the past month, designated to be a g 7 nation by now. but that's to that approach. a very, a very new colonial approach of extraction and shipping out of the country has still persistently, and i'm happy i didn't mention of it about the reactions on the ground because that
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is exactly what our team also found out when we're visiting some of the villages or the communities that will be affected by this auction. it is complete outreach because they know that guzman after goldman, they've been given promises of how settling of the forest would make life better filling selling of the the call by that all of the other minerals who transformed your life. but those promises have never delivered. and it's gonna be the same thing 10 years after this, oil pipelines are a barrier and all seek out of the d r. c. it would be the same situation. it would be hardship, and for that is fearful communities were leaving lives. now, depending on the on the lakes will see she depending on the forest for food and all of that will be taken away from them. some i want to share a video with you and it goes back here there's, there's 2 clips side by side. so one is november 2021, and this is at cop. and then we go to july 2022,
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which is a in kinshasa where the ocean begins. the same person is in both of these courses, present felix chest academy. and any one he is promising to preserve the rain foyce and the other one he's offering up. it'll slots of land the people to prospect in then. same suits, different message. let's take a look. live for a few months and you can the forests of the congo basin represents the 2nd lung of the world and contribute largely to the regulation of the global climate balance. however, this fast forest is exposed to the risks of deforestation exposure in the framework of the effective implementation of the paras agreements. it is imperative to take into account the mitigation of these risks as otherwise a major ecological crisis could result you. it's erica, in a win win partnership that respects environmental standards and the interests of local communities. with these words,
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i am delighted to solemnly launch to day the bidding process for 27 oil blocks and 3 caspar. ah, what happened, simon? well, who knows exactly what happened and then obviously it's up to the government to decide how to manage these different obligations internationally and nationally. but what i find so shocking about this and it shocks the international community is there, this oil auction was announced very hastily and with 0, no environmental or social, or other impact assessment of what the impact might be of this oil exploration. and that is, i think just anti democratic to, to push this on to the calling people without having done the honda live work and
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presented to the call people. these are the likely impacts of going down this route versus delay the impacts of going down another route. how can anyone make a sensible decision about whether this is a useful way to go or not? and i think that's because really, they know deep down that this is not a sensible way to go. and i think crucially, what a lot of people miss in this debate is that nobody knows how much oil is there. there might be no, that's commercially viable extractable. so there may be a case where people put in very low bids. the government make very little money, but then they open up the forest to go and do the oil prospecting, and letting the commercial hunters about the end of all the animals be illegal, commercial loggers and as the end of the big trees. and then is this opened up,
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degraded, forest days, very easy slated for outright deforestation. so you could have millions of tons of deforestation in the heart of the congo basin for the even know benefit financially to the congress. he's gotten this is entirely on toward through and really needs a reassessment which is why i was very glad that the u. s. government recently did the data. they were very unhappy about speed. it was happening without or the safe cause and checks in place. and they needed to be slowed down and to do all the studies before thinking about going ahead. let me, let me play. that was the secretary, they enter the blank and in the d. c, quite recently, as farmer was saying, i just going to play for our audience what he said and the key points in their simon. so let me show them if i would, it's festival. back up 26. the world data collected pledge
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of $1500000000.00 to support the congo basis for us. so in that context, we had concerns about the announcement of the auction of these oil and gas exploration blocks. we agreed to work together to establish from a working group to help con, believes, achieve a balanced approach, responsible development of the company's resources that contributes to condos, economic growth and generating jobs by conserving irreplaceable forests and other ecosystems. and by undertaking development projects only after carrying out rigorous environmental impact assessments, the d r c can act on behalf of all those people to protect are shared home. let me ask you a few questions as our audience are watching on youtube, and they want to ask you some questions. i'm gonna ask you the quick questions. i need a quick answer so we can cover a lot of territory. okay? haven't says the pursuit of eco friendly endeavors is different for africans whom
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a lan, what do you make of that gum again on the equation. the pursuit of eco friendly endeavors is different for africans of africans. i'm a different approach to the environment sustainability. preserving they rang for us than other regions of the countries all the continents yeah, different this is exactly also the case. the one i was coming in debate. busy my colleague talking about the tissue in the park, for example, today if you pick for example, the protein, while the parent opens the water, you will see for example, the priority. nobody should be something else because we have this big part which supposed to be open. but this is one of the part that the, the conky need to use each for 2 reasons, but they are unable 1st of all to provide even the curity for tourists in this buck
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to provide money for the country. and nothing is really going on t today. that even these people will be walking on this project in this box will be a coupe. this will be another security if they can with the issue in the original. if you take, for example, the problem which are generated to be in the region, you take the nigel delta for example. you know, how many groups of down been created in these issues? what petroleum nigeria and you take the case now in that is done on the most part of the spit or block. i look at it in what you, what one more than 150. i'm the group in the region. and all these people will be turning out the turning around the middle and water will be turning around dispatch or asians. this is exactly the problem that people should think about because we are unable to secure the 4th. and now we open the printer to the cloud. it is not the same. yes. but if you,
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if you have answers and probably from an african perspective there, it's a complex conversation. i'm going to bring in such thirties from the rain forest, the lights for the d, as a country director and ball. i was wondering, as i was thinking about is prospecting or opening up the congo base and the potential oil and gas exploration. i was wondering about does the d. r, the government have any environmental if you need a tool and then search came forward with this positive spend. let's have a listen. jessica mentioned the local to present jessie place and also the recent bill diversity. it also took a look as well. you sound it as a result of judgment so much about helping to move from one area, just size dissolution must be maintained
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long. that's always posted voice. i've had in his entire conversation so far. for me, that's a positive boys which isn't positive actually because you know that they are testing protected areas, overlapping the areas that are up for auction for oil and gas exploration. so to see that the d. c. government has done is due diligence. it's faulty is nothing but faulty. in addition to that, it is, there is no way we can sit here and say that the government is doing its best. because even before the officers came on, when we announce they have been case after case of illegal for as concise one's been granted by one minister after the other. and then miss mentioned it at the beginning is really about every member of the leads. thinking of how to reach themselves as soon as they can before the leaf power. and i think that's what is happening with oil block options as well. it is nothing, there's nothing,
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environmentally friendly. we know that no environmental impact assessment was conducted and that is the least you do before going ahead of the project like those, if you really care about the environment. so joan, on you chips on i will share this one with you because i, i sometimes think about they said be convening like cop particular cop 26 where the develop world had a starts and the developing world. did not leslie have a big enough seat at the table, so jonah says no one can tell. no one in africa can tell the united states where to drill for oil. they seem, i'm going to finish the sentence of thought here. they seem to think that they can tell africans what to do with their natural resources. so what simon? yeah, i completely agree with that it's, it's a real, it's a real problem, the global and balance of power. and me as a scientist,
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what should be providing is the information and then the people and the congress government can make the best decisions with the best available information. it shouldn't be for people from outside to make those decisions. but we do have to remember that we live in a very globalized world now. and that should be to the benefit of d r c. and it's forest. now we all know about no whole diseases from coven 19, and they're all novel diseases, no doubt. it in the depths of the congo forest, an opening up role expiration. and having people go in there and come out regularly increases the likelihood of another one of the novel diseases spreading around the world and the cost of that to people. and the cost of that, the global economy vastly our way, any income from the oil and gas. so it is incumbent,
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not only united states and europe, other places to tell us how to develop. but they should be helping as much as possible about how they can develop in new ways and not the ways of the past, which is essentially providing raw materials to the west. it has to be a different way for along the end. and i know you're familiar with it as africans. we often talk about the and the natural resources class. i actually think it's not really about natural resources. it's about leadership and maybe the corruption because so pe, he is a professor political science and i think he sort of, i was going to say he, he, he.

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