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president microns remarks about whether algeria existed before french colonial rule . mac coin is also hoping to forge better trade links. as europe faces a looming energy crisis. the one ukraine has led to increased demand for north african gas. as the headlines this, how i'll see a bit later on stream is a program coming up next. ah ah hi and sammy okay to day on the street. what happens when climate activists take

direct action? let's take a look at a few examples from this year. we're going to start in february activists in canada cause millions of dollars in damage this year. and what it operations on a key work site for multi $1000000000.00 natural gas pipeline project, a march tire extinguishes launches in the united kingdom. this leaderless group aims to make owning su v's in cities impossible. and they have deflated thousands of vehicle tires around the world. one more example for you, august crime activists in the south of france. fill golf course holes with the manx to protest. a water bad exemption for golf greens, amid a severe drought saying the economic madness is taking precedence over ecological reason. so in this episode of the stream could embracing climate sabotaged help save our planning? i know you've got thoughts, i get your comment section is live looking forward to seeing you in it exclaiming:

artifice! but for our company and the pride out stripes, the crowds prefers on march to called in addition to comments towards the climate crisis. the government have made promise to talk to keep in your che maslanka davis. we need to take a step further to push, because the goldman does not give it to our campus. the problem is that taking that course of action with like we haven't the exact opposite effect, it would be a gift to the right wing opponents of climate action. who would use it? leverage it for all its worth to accelerate their creeping fascism make the issue politically toxic for moderate voters, arrests, a generation of young climate activists, and so division in the climate movement itself. joining us to talk about their various degrees of activism when it comes to climate crisis. we have andrea's and

ms. rena. charlotte, get to have a fee of you here in the stream and raise. we please introduce yourself. drag global audience. tell them who you are in the cat connection of today's episode. what do they need to know about very briefly? well, i'm a realtor, mom. i teach human ecology, i learned university here in sweden, and i guess i'm on this show because i wrote a book on how to blow up a pipeline, learning to fight and the world on fire, which advocates. busy for sabotage on property destruction, as methods that the climate movement should experiment with. now that the situation is sold diner and i think what we're seeing right now are the 1st signs of the climate movement in the global north doing this. and i think more is coming measuring. welcome to the strain. welcome back. i should say it's always good to have you on board. we introduce yourself to the audience. remind him who you are, what you do. thank you. my name is esther, no sign. and i'm from sudan on the chair of the secretary general's youth advisory

group on climate change, and alkaline an activist for 10 years. now. it's a happy and welcome charlotte. please say hello to the stream, viewers around the world. tell them what you think. i am charlotte grab, i'm a climate justice activist and i'm an organizer on the free. jess spreads team. i'm wondering, charlotte, at what point do you abandon diplomacy, climate negotiation? talking to your nemesis? perhaps talking to policy makers who are not thinking about the future and then say, i need to take direct action. when does that happen? i mean, i don't think of it as a binary. i don't think you need to abandon, you know, as the word that you chose, those other tactics and do something like property destruction. i think that we need a diversity of tactics. i think we need policy change. i think we need legal challenges . i think we need direct action. you know,

i think that would be the most successful way is using a variety of tactics yet used in tactics, needs to do a cost benefit analysis. you always need to see or calculate how much benefit them going to get from using this taxes and how much the cost it goes me. and if that, that fix cost more than the benefit to bring stand, it doesn't call that they can just mean that it's a failed trial address. yeah, no i, i totally agree with both of these points. and i think the, the purpose of sabotage would be to a mass greater striking force for the climate movement. and so far, we haven't really managed to inflict serious material costs on for phone capital. and that is what urgently needs to happen because the situation right now is that the more of the world burns, the more fossil fuels are poured on the fire and it just cannot go on like this. and our governments have so far,

completely fade and raining in this virtually the moaning force that is bent on burning down the planet as fast as possible. and if the government's fail so conspicuously than someone else has to step in and that's what people around the world are beginning to do, take action of their own. but i agree that's not a question of abandoning other tactics. it's the question of trying to put greater pressure on government to do what is necessary because on their own relation of their own accord, they're clearly incapable of doing that. they have to be put if you have the government, if you have a government in the 1st place. sure, i mean coming, coming faster than just funny for me to talk about governments these say. so andras, you said something which jumped on me which was inflict, it's like you inflict damage on the fossil school industries. so if this in your mind a battle, i'm just looking at your book that came out in 2021. how to blow up

a pipeline. so it's almost like you're going to the front lines. you're not waiting any longer for diplomacy and negotiation. no, because the un climate negotiations that have been going on for 3 decades have presided over a constant increase in c o. 2 emissions, i mean c o 2 emissions globally have just continued to balloon while these negotiations have been happening, year after year. so clearly that's a massive epic failure and we can't wait for that to just continue forever. it's just dragging out and not doing anything to limit, let alone abolish business as usual. so clearly we have to do something else. i mean, i don't see how you can avoid the conclusion that we have to try something more than what we've done so far. it hasn't been enough to wait for negotiators to petition to lobby to march, to demonstrate,

gently ask for politicians to listen to the science. we need to also do something more and that's, that's the face of the climate movement than the global north is in. and yeah, i'm, i'm not from sit on, i'm from one of the countries that is perpetrating climate and justice on people in countries like saddam or other parts of the global south. i'm active in europe, which is the original cradle of the fossil economy where this whole climate crime began. and here we do have government and what they do in, for instance, norway, the neighboring country here, is that they're just a bidding and encouraging ever expanding extraction for functions. and there is recently on the thing andrea, the funny thing is most of the developed countries or the european countries, projects of oil and gas are actually not happening in, in these countries where you have a legal system that might actually protect the activists who do this sabotaging or

blowing up the pipelines, it's happening in countries where activists can just we killed for a striking a in front of our, of our a forest for example. um, so that's why when you talk about different tools range, look about doing more and i really think of different ways of more different, more as a, as you may say. and yes, diplomacy is being failing us as a generation and feeling that fitting the planet in actually a reaching the point that we want to reach. but if you use the tool or wrong, it doesn't mean that the to have a problem. and if you plant a tree and dont irrigated, it doesn't mean that the the tree itself or the site itself is not proper. it means that you're not taking care of it. and it just to remind all of you in the negotiations or the diplomacy or wherever is systems that people created and

people should change it as long as it's not working. instead of just trying something else. and i think as someone who's i measuring this negotiation, israel, israel, it's, it's, yes, i excuse me for, for jumping in here. i want to bring charlotte into the conversation. charlotte, because when we talk about direct action, you know what that is like, and you have done it and they're handling repercussions. so this is the of the side of that. it's not just we are going to go out and we're going to slash tires, deflate tires, a feel golf, golf courses with cement, to stop the privilege from using water. when the rest of us con, you've actually done that direct action. and then what happened to you? yeah, i think i have done different direct actions as part of the credit access pipeline protest. i had lost myself to her on full drill. that was boring under the de

moines river, which is a source of drinking water for $40000000.00 people. and i was trying to do the felony. i served a month in jail. i had to pay because $7000.00 and restitution and $65.00 per day in jail. and i was in there and you know, i'm here to speak on behalf of my friend jet who's locked up for 8 years. and i really appreciate stream your comment about the very real risks people face with this. like it's exciting to report those, you know, tactics and i think acting outside of where it has been working as important. but i think i'm here today to speak about the increased criminalization of water protectors, the increased criminalization of protesters, and how we're seeing, especially in the us, you know, emerging of the oil and gas industry and corporate interest as well as the government. that's really pretty terrifying. to be honest, this is, i'm sure i own a little clip of jessica resume check, and you can tell more about her story,

but i want audience to understand that she was doing direct action on a pipeline. and she ended up as he is right now, selling a years in prison for domestic terrorism in the united states. it's have a look at part of her story. in her statement, jessica wrote that after exhausting all avenues, the process for petitions for environmental impact statements and public comment periods to hunger strikes, marches, boy cods, and civil disobedience. and she took her actions as the last resort. biden's department of justice has declared jessica and domestic terrorist sentenced her to 8 years in prison and millions of dollars and finds paid to the pipeline company. her case is important, and it's because it's not unique laws specifically criminalizing environmental protests have now been passed to put on the table in most usa. the moment anyone seriously challenges the corporations freedom to push us closer to the class. a government uses the language of terrorism and they make you disappear. so jessica

anne and her friend charlotte, they sabotaged the cut dakota access pipeline via bombs. they used the sold ring unit and for that she serving 8 years in prison as a domestic terrorist. is that not a sobering thought in terms of how do we get people's attention? how do we save our planet if the other side of that there's gel time? yeah, yeah. so just to clarify, i was not the other person. jessica acted with another women and that was not me. the actions i spoke about were separate um, but it is real and jessica wesley both the domestic terrorist and that increased her sentence fivefold. and she's just served finished a year in prison. and she has an 8 year sentence, she has to pay $3200000.00 in restitution to energy transfer partners. the company that owns the dakota. i shall, i shall eat. you just said that like,

it's like it's no big deal over $3000000.00. how doesn't normal every day individual come up with $3000000.00? that's a great question. i mean, i definitely don't have an answer to that. and i think it really speaks to, you know, how high the, you know, the fossil fuel industry is increasing the risk to try to intimidate activists from acting. and, you know, injustice case. this isn't random. we know exactly why this happens if this were to clean, motivated in 2017, 84, congress members they for democrats, 80 republicans wrote a letter to then attorney general jeff sessions asking specifically in the wake of standing up protests that people who tamper or impede with process your infrastructure, be prosecuted as domestic terrorist. they specifically mention punctured and val,

because this is also trying to target the valve turner is. and then just because prosecution or label as it did, i think her is an exact answer to this letter. so we know exactly why this happened, and those $84.00 congress members who wrote this letter, they received $336000000.00 from the fossil fuel industry. so we know that the fossil fuel industry is just trying to protect their assets and the government's doing committing to do. and i think that, yeah, the important thing to point out here is that it's fundamentally bizarre. the jessica retina check who never harmed an individual, never injured any one, never killed anyone, is labeled a terrorist when in fact, the extraction and combustion of fossil fuels are killing people on a daily basis indiscriminately killing civilians. particularly in the global south

. this we know for a fact if there's anything here that can be classified as terrorism, it should be large scale for some fuel instruction and combustion. obviously the law, those are totally skewed and twisted. so the, the, the, the presumed terrorist hair is the one who tries to destroy the machinery that destroys lives and ecosystems around the planet. so now these, the andrea said as got that, so that's your moral stance on you know, why this direct action is necessary. but if you have a young woman who is now serving time as a domestic terrorist does not, is not a chilling effect and makes you think twice about how do we go about getting people's attention in a productive way without landing ourselves in prison. yes. and the 1st thing we, we should think about is how do we accomplish the most without ending up in jay?

how do we avoid, how do you repression audi yet? well, you should ask the 20 people who destroyed bath coastal gas land construction side and british columbia that you started off with. because as far as i know, they all evaded arrest, which i think is a great thing that you can go in and destroy a site where a pipeline is being constructed and just get away with it. likewise, i don't know anyone in the tire extinguishers who's been arrested and i think this is a step away from the civil disobedience protocol of extinction. rebellion and other groups have made it a virtue to get rid of them. yeah, yeah. the heart of our action is to almost throw ourselves into the arms of the police and end up in jail. i shot i've had enough. what was that? was that what you were doing because you got skipped topping and you did some jail time. did you care that you were court? i mean, yes and you know? yeah, nobody wants the are you and we didn't change a big piece of equipment so you would definitely gonna get caught. that that was

not an engine is. yeah. i mean, i think this speaks to the bigger issue of an escalation of tactics. you know, in that case we and jessica, jessica ran with the code to you during the permitting process of the army corps of engineers. and you know, i've been part of so many projects for like we submit comments as part of the statement we, you know, whole signing statement. c environmental impact statement, so that's part of the permitting process. you know, and so you can do it civil disobedience outside of a place just did hunger strikes. and so there is an escalation where you're doing things and i think the. busy role of direct action in this case can be to highlight an injustice that's taking place in a way that traditional media, such as like an op ed or writing it just can't, you know. and so i think highlighting how high the stakes are,

is something that direct action, you know, can really bring to a situation. we bringing a new voice into our conversation, new voice, but an old, very well known thanks. leslie james picker, and he's a former spokes person for the earth liberation front. back in a day they did a lot of sabotage. and this is likely explaining what the purpose is. what happens when you're successfully completing a sabotage? sabotaged mission? have a listen. they create this scenario where there is now consequence for bad behavior in a society where there is no consequence for bad behavior. a corporation can go and cut down a forest and pollute and what have you. and at the worst, they get a fine that they have no problem pain. and they just go on with business as usual. but after the earth liberation front step on the scene, mom, you know, they have to stop and think about is what i'm doing. gonna upset these environmental as so much that i'm going to be the next target of a large scale arson attack. will my company be burned down?

and if they are bit target of that kind of thing, well, that's going to cost them some, several things. it costs them some money and some time and some anguish, ah, and hopefully cause them to, you know, rethink what the, what the, what it is that they're doing always sing a different kind of climate sabbah tell. wow. and dias, friend, 2 or 3 decades ago. yeah. yeah, i think the earth liberation front that was at its peak in the 9th and ninety's did not have a specific focus on climate because this was environmentalism before climate breakdown. have set in. now we have a more strategic a. i think precision in the sense that we're going after primarily fossil fuel infrastructure and luxury emissions along the lines of driving su vase in rich neighborhoods. and i think this is more appropriate for the current moment because

the climate crisis really is. i mean, obviously it's just one part of much broader ecological crosses, but it is the most urgent a problem that we're facing and them, i expect that we'll or, and i hope that we can continue to have that kind of precision rather than the kind of you know general assault on industrial civilization or something like that . yeah. i'm sure i'm going to bring in a new voice. i would love you to respond. this is to mana and she is in india. she spoke to was just a few hours ago about a different approach to changing people's ability to act immediately during the climate crisis. his yes, my daughter, the of a population is just struggling to get back. there not be bad off. the guy sees that are affecting them so far a lot of grass roots organizations. it's more about a gate begin. the awareness to these communities and working on mindset shifted had

abduction for them instead of the early dog or being the authorities under goblets, which is a much larger places. and it is more dangerous. charlotte thought, i mean, i appreciate what tim on i said, but in terms of i like what leslie brought in in terms of accountability for these corporations. and like with the case of the dakota access pipeline, a federal judge came to rule that it's operating a legally. so the permitting, the permit that the cred access pipeline had to go through our illegal and it's operating now. it leaked multiple times within its 1st 6 months of operation. it's the over 2000000 gallons of is drilling made into christine wetlands. and that i think is the catch 22 of living in extractive and colonial system where the only way to stop and illegally built pipeline in

a legal way is to let it be built. and then after the fact realize that it wasn't legal to begin it, but at that point it's already built. and so i think, you know, finding ways for accountability for these corporations is important. and also not just the corporations, but also the court. and with just, that's what we realized in the appeal process with her was we were challenging the domestic terrorism label. and as part of the appeal process and the appeal was denied. the judge is basically in their, to, in their decision said that we believe just the domestic terrorist was a harmless error. and so what, what found lesson that you, we learn as an international audience, listening to jesse story is that, isn't it just that the repercussions us? oh, huge are huge. but it's also, i think, for us this is much bigger than just, you know, and that's why we're worried about emerging of the fossil fuel industry and the

government. this is about a threat. definitely. this is the kind of problem that every movement in history that have challenged vested interest has had face, namely est apparatus that is totally beholden to. these vested interest. and with that comes the problem of repression that you end up in jail. but i don't know of any movement in history that has struggle for emancipation and has totally evaded the problem of imprisonment or is considerably worse. and clearly, this is the case in congress on the global style to a much greater degree than in the north because levels of repression are much higher in countries such as in the south africa. not to mention the congress. i'm not in america, were environmental activists are killed on virtue, a daily basis. and i think the coming from india made an important point here that the mystery and from seduce me to as well. and that is that every choice of tactics

has to be adapted to the local concrete circumstances. and i'm certainly not arguing that everyone everywhere should do only sabotaged, and that that is the magical bullet that will bring us to a world drive. it's been interesting, let's think your perspective charlotte as well in issuing thank you so much for being part of this conversation. so many interesting thoughts here on youtube as well. and lean says, the worst thing i hear is people that don't even believe in climate change. and don't care what's happening on the other side of the world, and that is shameful and watching. i'll see you next time. ah ah.

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