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future do they have? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm tom a crime on thursday. more than 1000000 ro hanging refugees marked 5 years since they were violently driven out from me in my most distill stock and wants become the world's largest refugee camp and neighboring bangladesh. that amounting a safe and dignified return to their homeland and the future for the thousands of children born an exile. but their chances of going home any time sooner uncertain last year, the same army that expelled the road, hanging over through me in mass elected government. now, fighting between rebels and the army has intensified in the road. angus home states
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have rec, i'm almost a 1000000, mainly muslim world hunger, sheltering and bangladesh. miramar denies them citizenship making them one of the world's largest groups of state, less people. more than half our children agency say they are at risk of becoming a lost generation because of a lack of education. 48 percent are women and girls, many of whom have survived or witnessed some form of gender based violence and conditions in the refugee camps. a dia, authority say crime has increased including violence. drug dealing and human trafficking will bring in now gifts in just a moment, but 1st the sometime from 10 to chantry and cox's bizarre for refugees. life here is challenging, overcrowded and fragile shelter surrounded by barbara fences bend from pharma litigation work and travel. refugees said they are frequently harassed by police and camp authorities. violence, trafficking, child marriages,
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and drug related crimes are increasing inside the camp. as there are cotton fled to bangladesh in 2017. she has 3 children. 2 of them were born in the camp. she was worried about their future. we had enough, we want to go back home to me and mar soon so that our children can get some education and have a normal life on their safe. it has done more than enough and it's time for the un and global community to deal with the plight of the refugees. so hot was up kelly lee. we have been here for 5 years already. if we have to stay here longer, in that case, the united nations, bangladesh, government and other organizations should find a new strategy to send us back soon. nearly 4000 growing or refugees leave along the border with me on my tomb rule in what's called no man's land conditions are harsh and they are cut off from the others. behind me is the only refugee camp in
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the no man's area. most of it is in the me, on my side, the recipe then the international boundary. it's conflict in man, man, right? kind state is gradually spilling over close to the border. i'm out of this. we are unable to go to our own country. still another fear we have now is you to frequent clashes between our account, but it's rebel insurgence and me and mar. army is getting very close to our camp area. and if we can hear artillery around the machine gunfire almost every day, our children and families are in panic. 5 years on since the rowing guy arrived here, the u and refugee agency says, then i'll face that protracted crisis and need help our gently. so i think the maintenance is providing the support for them to survive on the day to day basis. humanitarian needs are covered, but also moving towards what is going to happen next. many rominger refugees feel increasingly frustrated that they have little say and decisions about what happens
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to them, and that their fate and destiny appeared to be at the mercy of others. tanveer chandry oh, jazeera, cox's bizarre bangladesh. ah, well, it's bring in our guests now in london, we have a chore when executive director at the boom of human rights network in vancouver vent. yes, mean allah, we're hanging human rights activists. and in cape elizabeth mind in the us, tom andrews, the you in special ripple to on the situation of human rights and me in my a will welcome to each of you. thank you very much for being on the program today. yes, mean i want to start with you 5 years on. doesn't feel like anything has changed or have things simply gotten worse. unfortunately, things have gone worse. i think be the segment by ton where was very, very captivating and very much true to what the sentiment is like on the ground.
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people are extremely worried that their, their situation is not going to ever get better. neither would it get better and were kind state due to the hunters doing and neither would it get better in the camps where restrictions are increasing in order to push people to go back home in an unsafe conditions. and so our communities are basically stuck in the, in limbo and without any choices of our own. our agency completely ignored. and our skills completely, you know, really just neglected and not incorporated in the plans and management of the can choose. do you think that there's a feeling of helplessness among the population at the moment that you see the range of, of religion in the camp, the general types of over the climate ice people and,
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and then besides, they have lots of pressure, you know, social pressure and authorities for pressure from the authority local abilities and also local communities. the surrounded by the a, lots of problems and difficulties and, and, and this is the layer of failures by the international community bring us. and that's the result we have to be told we've heard and seen quite a lot about the conditions in the refugee camps. but obviously there's hundreds and hundreds of thousands of for i think it's still in me and my what is that like for them there and has just gotten worse since the military took power? john, that's a very good question and yes, things are getting unfortunately worse inside it. there are over 600000 right in the living in a kind of state right now. i spoke with some of them as recently as yesterday, and i can tell you from my conversations, things are bad and they're getting worse and worse. no respect whatsoever. whites
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editions are horrible in terms of weight, a tree and discrimination that they face restrictions in movement or even greater, never before 130000 more than one of them are living in what are called id p camps to really concentration k x. if you open your 1st and been there, then you know, 5 years ago when i was doing a fact finding mission before i became special tour. when i was meeting with people there and one man, i'll never forget to be said, well, if the world won't help us, then banish bomb the cage because it would be better for me and my family to die. but it would be to continue to live in these conditions. this is 5 years. so the fact is, is that this grim milestone that we have more that the kind of issue was not the beginning of the living hell that have been running men, women and children and stuffing. it's been going on for some time and it continues to go on with it. what we'll get to the, i guess, maybe the,
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the lack of response from the international community shortly. but just for with, with baking about these, these camps and the plight of the people within them. education and the last few months has been a massive issue. he has been can you tell us a little bit about what has changed in the last 5 or 6 months in terms of educating young people in coaxes bizarre for i know for a fact that our community has done a lot of work to uplift ourselves. and a lot of these informal schools have been run mainly by donations within the community. and you know, however much we can muster and get together, we actually send back home. but we actually have, have been seeing the dwindling ability to actually transfer the funds inside campus. bizarre to the people that we're working with on top of that many different,
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you know, access that we used to have are actually close down. and then we find out that informal schools are actually no longer allowed or permitted. it was sort of ignored, neglected for a very long time that we did this as long as it doesn't mimic any curriculum that can be, can work in the bunk bed. she curriculum and now we just have a situation where authorities of humanitarian organizations are the ones that actually tip off bug that she verities to actually come and close down these, these informal schools. and now the people are in, in the camps are actually really feeling helpless because they, they don't know where to send their children being formal schools that we have were by no means you know, helpful or, or not, not necessarily helpful but, but more so that it was not sufficient in any sense,
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but it was enough to actually get people to, to see the prospect to actually hope for the future. but in this case, when all the schools are closed down. and in connection to that, we have rallies of people being told to actually say that they want to go back home regardless of the situation. there is connection there where education is not, no longer accessible. and here we have a group of people saying that they're going to go home regardless of how the conditions might be. it's just mind boggling how things are developing and, and really were saying at this point it to, i see you nodding your head along to those statements there with half of the these cams made up of children. what does the lack of education on such a large scale mean to the future of these people are, you know, are you concerned that this is going to be a last generation created through this? yeah, 1st of all, we would like to,
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thanks to bundle that is for saving the life of the people, but not allowing them for the occasion is killing their souls. look at the population, 52 percent of the population in the young people. those who are school age and they're not allowed to go to school, then they don't have any. they're not even young young. you really just you, you see that the way they have training and giving that your kids, the children. it is very remarkable. and lisa, look them, you know, the way they have come, stand up for the community, but then also prohibited by the been ready to go. and from the human perspective, it is a crime. you are not lying young generation to do what you cation and that means you're just trying the community for the future in a long term. damage that, that going to cause and, and, but they will be the 1st country who's going to face the problem because they are, they're the, they're no practically the demo. and as long as the bump military or government, or any not the opportunity to have to rebut creation,
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they will be there for you. no longer does it go on. how many decayed they have been struggling for, you know, diplomatically to send them back to burma. it is faith, so there must be alternate if we but during until they go back, they able to go back there there. so they need to stand up on their own. the education is the most important and the backbone of the community. to stand up on there to let the government need to consider seriously to allow their school and not only informally, almost all of that and let in dimensional community also raise this consent with the bundle of government tom, just on the bangladesh government, you know, 5 years ago i mentioned that they never thought that they would still have a 1000000 refugees living within the country. and these sorts of conditions has too much pressure and responsibility put on being put on that one country and what can be done about it at this point in time. well, listen, enormous amount of question on the baby government. and frankly. ready not enough
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has been done just for them. it's no question. when you think about bangladesh is developing countries. lot of challenge that their vision, of course, the world is facing a very difficult economic theory law. now. they have a lot on their plan after that. more than 1000000 people are who gave welcome into their country to save their lives. literally one of the launch. and now they're faced with an enormous, enormous challenge of how to deal with this enormous responsibility without adequate support from the international community. so i think it's really. ready really all the points that the yasmine and child child when am making a very good and what bangladesh needs ish, obviously voices to be heard on the inside. those camps will do listen and be responsive to those wars is but also they need support and engagement to a much greater degree. ready from the international community they, they deserve our thanks, but more than that, they deserve awesome. do you feel that, you know, this, this plot of
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a 1000000 refugees is getting attention at the moment because it says significant anniversary 5 years on. but do you think that a lot of it is a lot of talk but not much action m. yes. mean how, how do you feel that the international community has responded to to the plight in the last 12 months or so? do you think it's been forgotten? i unfortunately think that it, it has been a lot of time. there is this curious trend within the international community when it comes to dealing with your cause or the working your plight is it always acts as the issue is separated from the memory issue. and there we have it. we happy coo and those widespread violence across the country because the international community has actually ignored the concerns that were boist by the rank of
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community and leadership. and now we are stuck in the middle of the issues of human insecurity and various other restrictive likelihood. and you know, apartheid like condition within crime state and the mob and the, penalize ation of mobility within we're kind state and our cost me and me are for the working all of this. is it basically going back to the issue that is not dealt with? well enough or in full force, which is impunity, especially the impunity enjoyed by the me and more military. there are still many countries that are dealing business and connecting or benefiting from the economic incentives and basically enabling the me and my military winter by extension. and that is prioritized over saving our lives, saving people's lives in miramar, and in the bazaar. and we're going to all across the world. and so we have this
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issue of priority not being you know, placed on the right issues or on or, or morally seen almost. and so when we, when we deal with issues of rain, it's almost like we're actually just trying to kick down the doors that would never open for us. and we have issues like this where, you know, dwindling funds are really an issue for the bank. whether she, governments, and again, i may be critical of the management and the plans. but if it needs to be said that we're having a likelihood of actually repay trading is, is almost impossible at this moment on time until unless the international community really comes together and find resolutions while also holding the min more military accountable in the ways that a brute, there you know, or,
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or eradicate their power or influence over me and mar, without that and without, you know, addressing the issues of, of lack of agency in the camps without those issues addressed. we really won't be able to get anywhere and the we're in your situation will get even worse. i see all 3 of you, not in a seemingly in agreement via but kill what exactly would you like the international community to do? is it more money? is it sanctions? is it legal action? what, what, what can i do at this point in time? well, the short term and long term strategy you need to have, in the short term, we need to build the community with education. and the political support. education is very grasp level young people, you know, to have a formal education, and also i don't have vocational training so you can build up their life and the only other. the 2nd thing is political support doing get activities in on the wall
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. you don't, in even in bun letters, cameras, what they need to kept support from the international community for a large, stronger movement that will make sure the recreation of the community will be decided by the community, by the, in your community when, how, when, and how will be decided by the court in your community, not by the 3rd country or not anyone, and not even by the list. because this is the proper treatment. this is a criminal. the not the partner of piece not partner, should be punished to be brought to justice. but it is not going to happen in the, in shot them, it will take a long time. so we can not what all our expectation and the solution only on the legal method. legal mandate, extremely important. it is crucial is very important. transitional justice also very important, but we cannot be relied it entirely. all our movement and action depend on, on the legal matters. as you see, it take long term long several dictates,
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and some of the, yes, but for that time, a big, large community already has been effective and destroyed, but the genocidal action. how are we going to repair to how we're going to make sure that this damage will immediately stop and turn over? so we need to shop, we need a short term strategy to build the community, to support that need to be both leaders for the political movement and, and all the resources need to be channeled among the people. because really, the people deserve to protect themselves to decide their future destination. so this is international media, media, media. we need to do the tom, we've seen recently the international court of justice world. it can be as genocide case against me. and my can now proceed, is that a huge turning point in terms of getting justice for these people? well, it's on is, excuse me, is it important stifel? there's no question about it. and the other important step forward happened
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yesterday. when the u. k joined the case now we have a obviously the gambia leading the case. we now have the little ones a canada and now the u. k. about to, during the case of. ready both of those stamps the fact that it's want to proceed as a case and the 5 that there is stronger support by lation are very form steps for, but we need to do a lot more then than just gap. there is ways in which the international to move, we can coordinate their actions, focus strategically with pressure that needs to be applied, diplomatic pressure, economic pressure, waikato weapons. we need to cut the flow of revenue 2 of the military hunter in the market. think about this note the, the person who commanded the troops with committed the genocide 5 years ago is the one who led this coo and me and more last year and is now what is the criminal gang basically is what you, how you could do accurately concealment
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a criminal gang holding an entire nation on 50 form, 8000000 people hostage. it is a credit and it, and we're actually torturing killing it, lead daily life for the people. and me lot is a living helen is getting was the international community has failed to adequately respond to his voice. it, it's at it, it's real to focus. it's energy and attention in a coordinated manner. and i think that needs to be on the gender or every country who believes in human rights and injustice. otherwise, this light mirrors just want to get exponentially worse before very small that we've got a few minutes left. and i'd like to hear from all 3 of you on the sort of final point. yes, ma'am, we'll start with you. how much hope do you hold out? that's that one day the, the people this, that i stuck in these refugee camps will be able to return home to me and my and what do you think it will take?
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i think that it would take a lot of efforts and some special repertory and who have mentioned it would need a collaborate of coordinated effort from all sides and all parties involved on this to actually of lift the community. and 1st, they would have to start with recognition that survival itself has been a skill set that is immeasurable by any means. and it needs to actually be acknowledged and utilized in terms of planning for, for the inevitable, which is how long working you need to stay within the cop to bizarre refugee camps or other settlements around the world that they should be able to use those, those skills to actually meet issues like what's shortage or, you know, teach themselves run educational system, do things that would actually sustain them for the time being until they actually go back to me and more. and hopefully they would go back as contributing members of
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the society. so i have a lot of hopes for my community, and i know that we have survived one of the worst thing that ever happened to human . we would survive for the next, however long it takes for us to get back, you know, the peace and prosperity that we deserve. but it would need be international community to become serious about the issue and actually take efforts and actions toward that goal. thank you all so much for joining us. unfortunately, we are out of time such a huge issue in so much to cover, but i'd like to think all 3 of our kids today. sure. when yasmine and tom andrew, thank you so much for being on the program. and thank you to so much for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website, l g here, adult. com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation with an i'll handle is at
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