rovers and the wheels and all of that stuff proving that out on the moon is just like artemus one buy down, risk for damage to it buys down the risk. so we go to mars. we deal with the rate exposure of the radiation on the long term. we deal with a fact, we got to take all of our water and our food with us. the americans aren't the only ones with lunar ambitions. china also wants to land a crew on the moon by the end of the decade. the new space rates for the 21st century is only just getting started. been to model him al jazeera ah is down there and these are the top stories in libya, at least 23 people have been killed during battles and tripoli between armed groups, backing rival administrations in the east and west the violent fall as a build up of forces of the past week, my train of these classes erupted early around 1 30 am local

time between these rival militias and things escalated quite quickly. we saw a of forces affiliated with the parallel government, led by for 2 bayshore advanced towards the west of tripoli. they also advanced in the south of tripoli, which saw, you know, crashes erupt in and around, around the capitol. unprecedented flooding across pakistan is now killed more than 1000 people since mid june. more than 30000000 people have been affected. same bas robbie has this update where i'm standing right now is really a snapshot of what's happening all over the province of sin flood survivors are fleeing the affected areas and they are setting up camps make shift in at the water's edge in places all over the country on the 1st piece of dry land they can find. now just over my shoulder is a small group of tanza small encampment locally. they're calling this

a 10 city. but these are barely tense, they're very, very rudimentary shelters. we spoke to people there who say that they are suffering with skin diseases, illnesses, the hydration, hunger, thirst. they have no villages to go back to because their villages are now simply gone. the un, it's condemned in ethiopia, and government as strike that killed at least 4 people on friday. you need to have says the attack had a kindergarten and became the regional capital to grind. the government has denied targeting civilians. the conflicts between the rebels and government forces began nearly 2 years ago. severe, uncomfortable, had agreed to allow free movement across the shed border felt like a dispute about identity documents. the you negotiated a deal designed to reduce tensions at the border. those, the headlines, the use will continue here on al jazeera right after the stream. so you shortly. bye bye. talk to al jazeera. we ask for the rebound you speak off is clearly coming

at a high cost for airlines and the industry. what's going wrong. we listen, you were part of the arm struggle in the 19 seventy's if you have any regrets. no, we meet with global news makers. i'm talk about the stories that matter. on al jazeera i found me okay on today's episode of the strain, we're going to look at how climate change is made a community in oregon go to war over water. their story is told in the 4 lines investigation when the water stopped. awards crisis in americas west is intensifying, deep historic division obliterated ecosystems to create agriculture at the expense of our tribes. that's where your friend, since time the strong pe good away from the one called lines investigate how

climate change his pissing an oregon town. the breaking points war fight because it's in a blood, we are literally to the point that people are gonna start seeing each other when the war to stop on al jazeera. joining us to talk about the water conflicts that you just saw that joey from the trailer. hello, ren hello. emma. it's a nice. have you all on the stream to day joey. introduce yourself to our international audience. tell them who you are. what you do. hi, my name is joey gentry and i am a member of the klamath tribe. i am not on our official tribal government, and i am not an official spokesperson. i just care deeply about my community, my homeland, my home town, and i just want us to heal. hello and welcome to the stain. introduce yourself to our global audience. my name is ben duval, and i am

a former or south oh, to a california. along with my wife and 2 daughters regrow alfalfa and we on the glen matriculation project. and i'm also the president of guns water users association of, and i'm not representing the organization in the official capacity here. today. i'm just here much like georgia said as, as just somebody who wants to see see some healing in this community. and this, this, it's situation remedy yet to handle. emma introduced herself i. my name is emma maris, i'm an environmental writer, and i live here in klamath falls. so i've been following this water conversation for about 8 years. all right, good to have you, emma. all right, so now you've met our line up. what would you like to ask them? don't you choose? you can ask them anything concerned with the climate change in the region that they're talking about? how it may well be solved, things that you don't understand,

commit sections like that. i will try and get your comments into today's, shall emma, can you help us understand? very basically, what is the conflict about you could have a conversation among i it had to being backdate to say the least. i explain it but very briefly. sure. so there are a large number of farmers and ranchers who use water from the giant lake that we live near by called upper klamath lake. and every year they get a certain amount of water allocated to them by the federal government. this year that amount was 0, and that was extremely stressful for the producers. but the reason that that amount was 0 is because the water in the lake also has other uses, like keeping alive fish in the upper klamath lake and salmon down stream on the way to the ocean, and also watering wildlife refuges that keep migratory birds alive on their way up

. so what we're looking at here is a bunch of different people who all want the same water and because of climate change, the water isn't there when everybody needs it. but it used to be that it have a look on my laptop. they say, you know, jerry, jerry, so i don't, well fishing. how old are you that jerry? probably 6 or so? no. you got a big one. i recall that. yeah. all right, so what change because this is use little joey fishing. you fish with your dad. we have a quick look at dad there. this is the water source is now being argued about so fiercely. reminders from when you were 6 to now what, what happened to this water? well, as mentioned, climate change is, has changed things, drought conditions used to be abnormal, the anomaly, and now they're becoming the norm. there we have too many consumptive users and not enough water. basically,

the government over allocated over promised a finite resource. and now nature and our waterways cannot deliver enough water to our agricultural producers and our fish, which are on the brink of extinction. there's another level to this in terms of farmers and then indigenous peoples relationship to the land. but i want to bring a book thompson, she's from stanford university, water resources engineering department. and she's a student. and she explained why indigenous people in this region of fighting so hard to protect their waterfalls, issues as in business people and becomes rivers. everything to us. when everything poorly we do poorly when we can't get food from a wire because there are some populations i dang off because of the drought and water being allocated to other places. then our diabetes are rates go up and physically killing people. our families can be together,

all of our family has been on the river and when there is no economic income, when there is no practices culturally where we can go under grading more and families get up and spend time. other places who we are and the people are directly tied to the river. we're literally translate it down or people are literally encompasses everything. who we are, what it means to be indigenous. so for me, in the wrong requirements, river is a fight for life and death. so then that's one understanding else. water and the relationship to indigenous people from that area. i'm going to go via my laptop. hey, can you shed some pictures with this as well? you and your daughters, what do we, what are we looking at hamp then? so we understand your relationship to the land. a more to, to this is me and my daughter saying we did a project were replaced an older inefficient irrigation system with a new one. and that's something that has been going on ongoing and not only on my

farm, but throughout clements revelation project, especially in the last 20 years as we've faced reduced allegations we are um, as, as farmers, we feel like we're steward of the resource and i'm speaking for myself we try and stretch the every drop. ready water as far as we can, and the further we get into these droughts, the more critical it becomes to do that. and we are all constantly trying to adapt and be able to make our systems as, as efficient as possible. but at the end of the day, it does take some water in order to irrigate and sustain of arm. and we have to be economically healthy in order to make the kinds of investments that allow us to be more efficient, that water and that's why droughts and a complete water shut off like we saw this year are particularly devastating to our

communities. because it, it takes away our ability to remain economically viable and to make an, a long term investments that help not only my community locally here and as far as agriculture. but the entire watershed is whole. i want to put something to you. bannon. and this came up, paying the reporting for my, my colleague just russian. he was reporting on the fish dying in the, in, in the basin and, and why the fuss at dying? i'm going to play this kit team and i'd love you to respond at the end of it. let's take a look. every year, the cloud of blue green algae clots the water in the lake, state health authorities, where people and their pets to keep out. with nowhere else to go, young, sucker, fish die and mass before reaching adulthood. the 1st you are to have your dog drink that it would become incredibly ill if not kill it. this year because of the

extreme drought, extracting water farms could put the remaining fish at risk. there is very much a correlation between the quality of this water and the mortality of this fish. and the quality of this water is a direct result of irresponsible agricultural practices. oh, that one's hot, or is it then? well there's, there's several different factors that go into that. first, i all explained a little bit about the geography of this area on my farm as most of the climate reclamation project, which is a federal irrigation project. it was one of the 1st reclamation projects that was started by the us bureau of reclamation after the reclamation act. i was pass in the early 19 hundreds and it was, it was one of the reasons was because it was recognized that it was such an ideal

irrigation project. i'm just the way the geography is the water supply. the incredible soils that we have here makes it, makes it one of the most efficient thirtyish projects anywhere. and i'm an extremely productive but i am calling about why am a sliding when you, when you talk about at fish irrigation projects ever. i'm a why would you, smiling, articulate that smile? but just in general, i think that what he is working better than is working towards is that he's actually downstream of the lake. the water he gets is, is, has already been filled with algae before. it even gets anywhere near his property . so it's a complicated geography and solving the problem is gonna involve both solving issues of demand for water, which is where ben and his fellow users come in. but also how we fix the quality of the water in the lake. itself, and that's gonna involve a lot of different land users and,

and farmers further up in the watershed closer to the mountains. i suppose i was just trying to hurry along because of a responsible, our good cultural practices that either are that note and you will take me on a longer story finish that story very quickly show. so the users above over climate blake have more of an impact on their becomes like nuts factors we insure headwaters and, um there's, there's some issues and, but again, going back to what i said, it takes us stable farms that have the number of resources in order to update systems and change practices in order to fix those issues and we're getting there, but nothing happens overnight takes time at so johnny, this is not just about agricultural practices, there's something much deeper going on here. can you explain? because it's there's, there's a rift between the indigenous communities and the farming communities jelly. tell us more. yes. and this is as difficult for me to stay as it is for an

agricultural producer to hear we are unable to implement solutions which are in the fields and in the irrigation ditches and in ecosystem and habitat restoration. we are unable to implement those solutions because we're blinded by racism. we are, we keep trying to undermine tribal treaty law, water law, and we can the endangered species act. and we keep kidding ourselves by saying this is an efficient irrigation system. when it isn't, it's over a century year old engineering with no for thought or consideration. that water is a finite resource. and here we are in experiencing climate crisis and there is not enough water to go around. we can't say that we're efficient irrigation system. when we don't even meter are consumptive use. so we can't,

we can't claim that efficiency when it's not we we, we don't even know our actual use usage. i'm from and, and that's, that's something that i, that's difficult to. um, yeah. and i, i understand where you're going, um, but i can tell you this either percent of the water you some by far as needed. and i know exactly how much i'm putting, how much i'm putting where and i can look that in or not, but not all foreigners, roy and stereotyping farms is as bad as, as stereotyping in a group of people. and there's, there's a shift in, in, in, and you can definitely see more and more farms are updating and becoming more modern in the practices. i haven't got any, i'll tell you would you agree that that, that the producer is the farmers and the indigenous people probably agree on 85

percent of what needs to get done in order to fix the basin in terms of more restoration in around the lake and, you know, support for farmers but potentially to have more flexibility in some of their contracts. there's a whole long list. what's frustrating for me as an, as an observer is that i think that there's a lot of agreement. but there is this sort of sense of tension that stops that agreement from happening there, there can be, um, and i know, you know, 11 comment that was made was that there's, there was a lot of broken promises to the indigenous people and, and there's something else that i'm in complete agreement with because i haven't promised from united states government that saying yes, we're gonna deliver this much water to your farm every year. so thank you have a right to that. and so are both victims broken promises size of any if i just made

his help out or he may not have seen when the war to stop the the document? yeah, i highly recommend you watch it. it's streaming right now. i'm the samus of the homestead, as, as they were, were told by the federal government at the time that they could have an infinite amount of water. you can come here and farm and you can have as much what you like the indigenous people, his lands, a gang to live on, to walk on to farm. so also told that in the lake that they could have an infinite amount of fish that belong to them. that was part of the treaty. federal government promised 2 things to, to different communities. and now we have climate change. and now we have a situation where those policies are not being hacked or whose promise is should be cat. first. that is the climate just as part of the conversation up, do i want to go back to what you were saying? well, you just brought up racism like this is racism. i want to bring in, i a farmer called leroy, and then we can just have him steal ourselves,

how he talks about the indigenous people and this conflict that is going on right now. here he is. my not work with them. you know. have you ever tried to work with a gimme with the what? a gimme. gimme. gimme gimme gimme. not like working with the dr. gimme gimme gimme gimme. they don't give you. gimme gimme? gimme gimme joey. why can't miss conversation? walk out that that's an example of why and the road blocks we have, we, that he, the human eyes does. i'm to the point of a gimme. and that failure to recognize us as people or the failure to recognize the strength of our nation to nation treaty is preventing us from implementing those solutions in the fields and those irrigation. just

a irrigation systems were fighting the wrong fight in court. i'm for decades irrigators have tried to come after our water rights, which have been reaffirmed water and treaty rights, which have been reaffirmed in the court for the past 20 years. and at this point, so much time has passed that we in response to leave or his comment as being a gimme. i think that we are legally affirmed in our position and morally confirmed and valid. there is no more room to give. we are in crisis. if are locally and globally, we have as few as 50 to 60 harvests left before complete oil desertification. and so not only are our tribe trying to preserve this resource for us locally,

but globally implementing more regenerative agriculture solutions is going to save humanity. we have to find solutions and the 1st step is addressing the strength of our treaty and acknowledging the injustices we felt like i had i was just going to point out that, you know, i think that the route of this is the fact that these promises that were made are not all able to be fulfilled at the same time. in the current regime, it is important to realize that the treaty is 864, and most of those home setting promises came later. so if you're going to look at and that's how the courts have tended to look at it, is that 1st in time, meaning the oldest promise takes precedence over the newer promises. so that is why you might hear people say, well, the tribes hold all the cards when it comes to water because the courts have said that they have the 1st in time right to the water. what's tricky, i thought all this is that we're suing each other instead of getting together and

coming up with solutions that work for everyone in the basin. that's what we really need to be doing. and everybody would rather be working together than suing each other. so it's really frustrating when we get stuck in the cycle doing each other. i was wondering if i could come a weekly. yeah. but let me, let me tell you this to you because steve condra is a retired fine ma drawing on. he's drawing on his wisdom. this is what he told us a couple of hours ago. who is peter is over in the crime. it's based on water conflict is for the diverse communities of the basin to work together. no political or legal process will create a durable and just solution until the people that share the climate bit river work together. seek political leadership that brings the parties of conflict together. what to media that does not portray villainy, or there are people only trying to survive. both farmers and tribes. the key to our survival will be conservation. innovation adaptation and pragmatic realization

that time past is not time future. does that sound reasonable 1st by then jo, a bang? absolutely. it sounds reasonable me. that's what we've been hoping for for a long time and jelly. of course. absolutely. and i think to get to that point, we have to agree that we are fighting for the same thing, which is how do we farm this region so that both our fish and our farmers can thrive. and that, that answers right here, boil house it, and i said, that's also what he's showing to us. i'm just showing you healthy soil. and healthy soil is healthy water, healthy fish, healthy ecosystem. but we've been so embroiled in court battles that we haven't

been able to focus on implementing the systems and the solutions that will unite us . save our, our agricultural industry here and dave, our ecosystems in our fish. he'll our communities like that's ultimately we are all just trying to survive. can thrive. guess i, i offered up this conversation to audience on youtube as well as watching on tv. copper thought said this very quickly. let's make this a speed route. this is stella, doro, dela doors says the native indigenous peoples are not the ones who contributed heavily to pollution for climate change, let alone misuse the land instant reaction from you, emma. i think that's largely true. i think it's also true that we're in a unique situation, the climate based on that, that our own soil is so rich and nutrients that it's polluting the lake, just the volcanic soil around here. so it's wetland restoration that's going to save us in the upper basin. another one,

this one i'm going to put to you been cutting edge best practices. inefficient irrigation and land quote. management are the least that's required and greatly appreciate it by your thoughts of the farmer. my my thoughts as a farmer is that i when i went to this typically related to climate change that your did i your culture to hurley, sustain boyer good night culture like we have here in the climate space and it is one of the few ways that we can translate our food supply agency, fetch climate change, and i figure that we need to be her, be part of the solution, and when you'd be economically healthy and healthy communities. in order to do that, i'm going to bring this up point up to you j just very quickly again, on my laptop, we were talking about this whole show on twitter and, and we looked at maybe this way into the conversation is racism at the root of a war to war in oregon and an sd says,

probably it is america. joey, can this problem be solved? it must be thought we. we must solve our problems locally because they are a microcosm of the what we're facing globally. yes, they can be solved or else i wouldn't be here. i'm and have the confidence to speak of it speak of these issues. but when you think about it, agriculture as a whole. i 98 percent of america's farm land is owned by european americans by white people. so only 2 percent of americans farm land are owned by people of color that in and of itself. sort of example buys a problem. when i see you nodding, just very briefly as we wrap up the show, oh no i i, i agree with that. um, you know, that's,

that's of that. and i don't think that we should hide from our history and the things around in the past. oh, they said that, you know, i've heard talked about for, i'm waiting till i'm charged. you know, there's, yeah, there's huge problems in the past. and i think that we need to acknowledge that so that we can work from it. so really don't repeat those same mistakes in the future . i really appreciate you having us very candid conversation and a very role on right here on the stream. joey and ben and emma, thank you so much, i q on you too, for your comments. no questions have a look here on my laptop. the reason we started this conversation was because of a fort lines investigation called when the war to stopped. and oregon town at its breaking point, doesn't say much about the climate crisis. and america today to check it out is currently streaming out. is there a dot com and that sasha for the day take care? i see next time? ah,

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