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of dessie about 200 kilometers away. on friday, a government air strike targeted the rebels stronghold of mikella. of those are the headlines. the news continues here on al jazeera, after inside story up next. ah, algae 0. when it, oh, is libya on the brink of another civil war? a power struggle between rival governments triggers fighting on the streets of the capital, tripoli, 10 years of negotiations, mediation, and cease fires. have failed to bring peace. so is there a way out? this is inside story. ah,

hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. after 2 years of relative peace fighting has returned to the libyan capital, at least 32 people have been killed in st. battles between rival militias in central tripoli. it's escalating the dispute about who should govern the country. the militias, a divided between those who support the un recognized government and tripoli of those who back a rival parliament based in the eastern city of to brook. for months. the eastern administration's prime minister has tried to enter the capital and imposed his authority. the u. n. of the us have appealed for com, but many libyans say the international community has failed to secure peace more than 10 years after, while gadhafi was removed from power outage. here is malik, trainer report, south from tripoli. calm has returned to the capital,

tripoli after nearly 24 hours of intent and sporadic fighting across the city. a skirmishes began on what at 1 30 am local time on on saturday, and that quickly escalated into a wider conflict between rival aren't groups. those affiliated with the internationally recognized prime minister, opposite me to veda and others who are affiliated with the parallel government. these classes took place in densely populated areas. health officials tell us that 32 people have been killed and over a 150 injured. now both governments are placing blame on each other, but people here are extremely frustrated and angry at both governments. they want, they want these politicians to settle their differences on the negotiating table and not with bullets and artillery intensely populated areas. 2.8000000 libyans

registered to vote in the elections that were supposed to take place in just in december, 2021. so there's a huge appetite libyans, one and, and to the political differences and, and to both governments. and they want to vote who they believe can move the country forward and stabilize the country. now trainer for inside story was stabilizing. libya is important for the west, for several reasons. it has africa's largest oil reserves and control of the sector has contributed to the fighting. major european oil companies have been active there for decades, but the conflict has hampered their operations. libya has become a popular departure point for undocumented migrants and refugees. and as a result, human trafficking. last year, 32000 asylum seekers crossed the mediterranean to europe. more than twice as many as in 2020 libya is also a wash with weapons. although an eyesore linked armed group has been defeated,

attacks remain a concern. ah, let's bring in our guess from tripoli, we're joined by seller elbert kusha, former advisor to libby as high counsellor state from london. jason pac president of libya, analysis l. l. c. and from alexandria egypt. man. so our kicker, professor of politics at the university of texas at san antonio, gentleman could have you with us on inside story. jason, start with you. how dangerous a moment is this for libya? i think the danger of this moment has been overplayed and it's been happening in slow motion since the beginning of this year. there have been 2 rival prime ministers. the europeans and international community have been following a policy of what i called destructive ambiguity following him, added dean baddies phrase, meaning that for the 1st time we don't have a clearly recognized prime minister debarber of the g. a new prime minister has overstate his mandate. rachada has now international legitimacy,

so both of them are not, are not legitimate and the world is so focused on ukraine that they haven't been trying to mediate this conflict. and of course, given this, if there's an ability for the emerald church and russians to, you know, play around and we see what i term, the global enduring disorder playing out in libya. was any non domestic entity involved in this weekend's violence? no, i wouldn't say so. what has happened is that the pretender fatty bershana has flipped some militias in the tripoli area to supporting him and his allies in, in tan like a summer ger wiley. had their salaries cut on august 18th and they thought, well, we're getting weaker over time. we might as well make this move on the capital. you have to keep in mind that in may of this year, chicago also tried to move on the capital, but he was rebuffed and not able to enter it without any clashes on today. he's already been calm in tripoli and it's unlikely that violence would, you know,

really escalate into a civil war of any kind and important to point out to your viewers that this isn't an east versus west struggle. libby has become like any other african country, people try to stay in power after their mandates expire so that they can access the resources of the semi sovereign institutions, which makes ruling libby a very lucrative. so you have to pretenders for power. they're not really ideologically, or regionally differentiated, both for sugar and dubai come from strata. each one is on the, on his mandate and doesn't have legitimacy to govern. one, so ok care then in alexandria, professor good teddy with us. to what extent? picking up on what jason was saying that to what extent the both parties have credibility issues with the libyan people given that their mandates have expired. and so thank you for having me 1st of all night. and i agree with jason one point, but she says that we have a national communities and big it is the 1st of all,

we have to make it very clear to everyone to you and everyone else that libya is a failed state. i just came from there and i've been that i've been, i wrote a whole don book, 500 pages thinking what wonderful countries want to be able to get better and suddenly attitude a lot because it's a failed state. i mean, 1st of all, you have to say that mr. baker, i don't know where they came from. how we came. ok, and ultimately he's missing a contractor in he's a bill made his money was to get that. i don't want to bash altura, but i think with the old school, i think it's interesting to see what company did after community it comes on living . maybe is it. and the only way that we like it or not, the only adjustment organization we had in the parliament either bad it is. it's legitimate. it was the last elected body. not russia, not, not good debate about not so raj, no one else. and i think he is in the course of the problem,

we have encountered germany as proxies between 2 misfortunes, whether basha and babe, are fighting it out in property again to pertains no, this is what's happening today. the problem is, is, is neither of these hasn't messy, neither is we'll get it to see if there's the directions in the 1st place. but ultimately that's, that this is the consequences or heavy to state in one state to parliament, to her government. and, and to my malicious, this is what's going to happen. okay, me, we shouldn't be surprised. solid normal a seller, alba cush it in triply. then what do you make of what you just heard? to what extent could the situation be boiled down to 2 illegitimate prime ministers normally appointed to deliver elections, which they failed to bring about. and instead or intent on starting a war to ensure that they can hold high office unchallenged. i mean, is that

a fair assessment or way of the mock? la loca, 1st of all, i don't understand the, the meaning of 2 illegitimate prime ministers. i mean doubt, and legitimate, if you got, i say that there were, were not elected. but it baber, with all his her problems, he was selected by a un sponsored process that says that he will stay on until elections are held. and he is recognized by the international community at his government holes the seats in the united nations and the arab league and in the african union, so on. so so the saying that the 2 are bodies ira and the 0 to mit or the 2 prime ministers are elizabeth is it is really beside the point and i don't think it stands any an examination. but other one oppressed that here is the situation. the

situation is that we have the house of representatives in the east and the majority of that house is from the west. so it's not a struggle between east and west, as some adjacent has suggested. that house has been in place for 8 years. it's mandate was 18 months, it's still there. we have and the with the high council of state which met which should been in power. busy for 10 years and they both are responsible for i mentioned they don't want to get out and they. * are now trying to give us a good transitional government number 9 in 11 years. and this was the problem is what libyans need? we know that electrons are not them mass magic won, but we've tried everything. over the last 11 years, we produced 11 governments. these 2 bodies that exist now day household executives

in the east and the high council of state in the west. i have been responsible for a transitional government. i can remind everybody that in 2015 we reached an agreement. and serat, for a transitional government called g n, u government of national g and a government of national court. it was supposed to lead to elections in 2016. the house of representatives in the east, the created about government and killed elections in 2021. we're ish as a un sponsored agreement in geneva and we created the unity government call the government of national unity to all the elections. and 2022 the, the household with that is on the east created at the new a bashar government barrel government and kill the elections for and so right now

the only solution out of this that ness is elections that will take away the household presented as the i council of state it, babe, as government, bashar was government and the high. yeah. the presidential council and give us a fresh chance with a freshman date or a jason pen. what do you make of what you heard that to any of the political actors in libya, actually care about what the people of libya want to study from factor into their actions to us does either one of the, the prime ministers of the motor actually want an election. well, that's a great point. neither of them do and a professor althea and mister buck, 2 should make key point switches that this isn't a struggle between east and west. it's a struggle between status, co actors who want to stay in power, keep their cronies and power of the central bank or o dac, the office of development of administrative centers, where you can skin billions off the top and the h o r on in east as you know, long past it's mandate. i think that the libyan people's wishes have been ignored

and mr. about to his point that we need electrons is key. but he stressing to my mind too much the legitimacy of the de, by the government and the existing institutions. electrons are needed, he's right, but that's to wipe away the old. all the old has no sovereignty, it's past it's mandate. serrato is no longer legally binding. and i think the key thing is to put this in larger context for your viewers. we're living in a world of global enduring disorder. this is a world in which major nation states can coordinate with each other. russia, china in the us, don't coordinate together on climate change and the arctic because they're fighting in ukraine and taiwan and therefore they can't get together to work together to find a solution and incentivize libyans to get their act together. in fact, they metal and make it more difficult for the various libyan parties. turkey is playing a useful mediating role, but they're happy with either prime minister. the moratti's have flipped sides

multiple times and we need an international community which speaks with one voice to incentivize these libby and electrons and deny starboard anti to anyone who stays on beyond its mandate. otherwise, we're going to have what we've had for the last 11 years, which is it soon as anyone gets into power, he holds his chair for dear life and never wants to depart his chair, because that's where he gains the ability to corrupt money and to put his cronies in charge of various institutions. all right, we'll come back to international reaction in just a moment, but i want to pick up on of what you were saying at the beginning. that answer that professor al kicker, would either side be prepared to accept the government led by someone who has no ties to the government of national unity or the to brook parliament. and it does that person even exist on it. and is that actually what the people of libya want? the i think i think this point is one for what you say is, as jason said is right to the point. the problem is here, we're good. there is gone. but get that because in the still,

in libya that is spent or to years hammering out a sense of rationalism libyans, they do this. i mean, you'll be surprised to see that there's no sentiment that the libyans, that the oldest, that something that they care about it, they don't what they care about, most of their pockets one way or another. and more important, they don't care about legitimacy than what else. i mean, i'm just coming to because the right now it's still, i was never gossip with the signs of carlos with drug dealers of latin america. the rock, the fold of the 3 the laws. but there's nobody calls them. the problem here is so, so serious, so serious that, that there is no sense that i belong to this, that i or i mean, i don't, i do not asking what your kind of does with country is not there. the issue is very,

very serious. there is no sense of libyan as a mom. that is at least so i really don't care about, it's not going to do any more. i don't care what it, what it is, say it because because the 1st place read miss miss williams. stephanie williams. what departing statement. and i was very clear about what the government is doing right about what they will not be asked prior to. they don't care as simple as that, if they said they wouldn't be there in the gross based, they would have real somebody who's unusual. what is tries to try to put things together? what we're going right now is to direct towards division. i'm sorry to say to my premise, which i really do. i like the guys by brand it my brother. but we have 2 states. we have 2 governments. we have to parliament with have to very, very don't bruce quite now. thanks to this is mary, is that who had and 40 years of that. mm. okay. and of course you have all of that

the various armed, malicious in the countries world, mr. albert crew shack. how's the, how can democracy take hold when you have these armed militias in control of large parts of the country? while these are malicious, are a problem indeed, but this is a symptom, and that is not the cause of the problem. the cause of the problem is that we have no constitution. we have no election, we have no elected government. and that's why right now you can't talk to the russians and tell them that for example, get out of the country because he then, you know, the other government wants me in and the and demolition say, well, you're not elected. after kills every government since 2011 that i will not submit to any government has not elected. so here's the issue we need to stabilize the political situation. so we can deal with the with, with, with the problem. and i found how solicit house at her house or do you do that?

we do that by election. we what the thing is, is that what do you suggested? maybe there will agree to our 3rd government death. neither here. that's neither baby on much of that's exactly what that aiming for. another deal to split a government. and this, what they did was for the 10 times before, and it didn't get us anywhere after a year or a year and a couple of months there were down, back at each all others throat. and they want another power sharing div will done with that. we need all these bodies that proved beyond doubt, that there are incapable doubt incompetent. and there are corrupt when we need him to go and have a fresh chance of doing something else. so we can finish the constitution for god's sake. we've been working on it for 11 years and it was supposed to be in the

constitution decal. declaration is supposed to be finished within a $120.00 days of one at 2014 so. so here's the situation we have to deal. we have to deal with the political situation, get an elected death, constituent assembly, and deal with all this problem. we can talk with one voice that nobody can challenge. it's legitimate. jason, a title 9 question perhaps here but, but speaking with one voice as one country does libya have a future as one single country given at the moment that it's, it's governed by 2 separate entities and is roughly split, split it east and west i think lib is a country um the oil infrastructure, criss crosses east and west water from the southeast. and cobra is used to ah, you know, give the people of tripoli drinking water and the ports and subsidies systems are connected. i agree with our, my other guests. we need bold solutions,

but we need to do what. ah, mr. buck do suggested which is separating causes from symptoms. and hawes is the libyan economic structure. it's not that there's no constitution or that this government to that government is in power. it's the subsidy system. and the very nature of how the libyan economy works. we need an international financial commission, which takes control of libya's finances and makes it, that it's not worth fighting for to get control of the central bank. and until that happens, libya has become africanized and has become the plaything of the global enduring disorder where turkey and russia fight each other, egypt and the u. h. e fight each other and libyans are just left, you know, on opposite sides of this divide. so is the very nature of the root causes, which is the libyan economic system, which promotes resource capture that needs to be treated professor. how do we bring

about what jason is is proposing the the $1000000.00 question? i have, i have no idea. the truth is, i have no idea under, under the getting what we get, what we're giving in our hand like that. i don't know how we can do that. ultimately, i mean with the problems lawless, the malicious and dominating west. esther has done it in the east. the people don't worry. there's out and they just don't work. i mean, yes, economy or white or whatever oil they get me out. it's funny and salaries is not the infrastructure lap it all are there where maybe more money gone? for the last 40 years, i have no idea. roads are not working, they're just not working. factories are all gone. and yet, believe it or not, factors of clothes and that the employees of those factors are still getting wages more than what supposedly working in those factories. and they're getting bonuses

to as well do it and then get more and then i will strike. i mean this is, this is, this is what we have right in front of us. yes, i agree. is that the only problem? i have no doubt about that, but the country is not working any other way is becoming it was the rental state, but only getting oil, but they do nothing with that except for salaries and eating it. and that way, no idea holler or at the salt salad l. l. because how, how do we, how do we get away from this present moment of danger than and how do we bring about what jason was was describing for us. there are some sort of long term fix here. is it possible to do a law as an the so jesus suggesting that an international or mechanism for managing her lives that are sources. but i think that's, that's probably akin to mr. trump suggesting that we drink bleach to get rid of

a corona or it's not possible. so. so i think the international community succeeded in 2021 to tell the house of representatives and the high cotton state debt. they have no monopoly on the political process and brought 13 of the house of representatives and 13 of the house at the high cost on state into the libyan political dialogue, which had $75.00 people. and they managed to get a unified government, mr. cole, which dropped the ball later on and the air here we are. so i think we can go back to the same process and finish it by election. that 2800000 people registered for it. like the report suggested there is no other way out of it. we can't continue with these bodies that gave us all these transitional governance and we are still in the same place, but maybe worse than we were 5 or 10 years ago. jason, i've got

a minute left on the program will give both the last word to you what, what do you, what do you make of what you just heard? the thank you. i don't think elections are the solution. it's not about nationalizing or internationalizing libya's finances, but changing the rules of the game, making things transparent, having an international financial commission which overseas libby, as finances, and that unifies the previously to visit international actors. russians turks, emerald is all me to get their back payments paid as to the italians and fractured americans when he to adjudicate all of the corruption and pay some contracts $0.10 on the dollar and other 80 cents on the dollar. this can be solved. there are when, when solutions there do you, when is more upon it's going to need to have a fit for purpose vehicle that probably led by the e u, the u. s. with our allies. okay. like turkey and the amaris check up. this is low

hanging fruit here, and we can do this if we rallied the kind of resolve that has been shown in ukraine . gentlemen, we're out of time many thanks to day for being with a solid, alba, cush, adjacent pack, and to professor man. so o'clock here and thank you for watching. don't forget, you can see the program again at any time just by going to the website of al jazeera dot com for further discussion on this join us on our facebook page that's at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. and you can join the conversation on twitter, where are at ha, inside story for me, adrian finnegan, of the whole team. here though, i'll, thanks for big willis. we'll see again, bye bye. ah. september on al jazeera jillions go to the pose in the vote that could redefine the country, but will the people approve the both need constitution up front returns mclamore

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