hold of a ration in many institutions on top of the economy. this comes against the bank dog, the political labor really between and his life, but petitions over forming a government. we've been tied into for monday been going on for 10 months now. southern says he and his will make entitled to form the government went up with allied parliamentary locks on the other hand of the lenient back because it's enticing to the government consensus government so they want a majority of the government de the lenient but petition want to get them so the situation now inside the green zone is ok you take support to joined in by more supporters moving in like like have has a leave without any plan without any instructions that really angry they,

they know that the little it's very, it's super rated and so angry, and this also any possible action could happen on the ground right now. could just very briefly the security at the green. so in the pictures that we are seeing now, it doesn't appear like this any more. can you tell us about that? well, is the security forces in fi begins on the line to place off to any possible action by the end of the week. as you know, that these have been occupying the parliament for a month now would do is to get the forces around. they haven't done nothing, they haven't prevented the aggression. all the states in the state premises about the bananas that they would love to let these kinds pass defense because of the green zone. because as you know,

that outside of their friends who will begin on that is alive, account of the aged by supposed to put them in 3 blocks back to buy one known as because they can pay more. so if so the supporters they manage to, to try to pass to move beyond the sensitivity and then they will truck most most probably cash with the right to this is outside of really don't thank you very much for your insight in that update. that is mahmud abdullah, while he'd for us on the phone from baghdad. you are watching live pictures from the green zone. we'll move mercado outside as supporters have gathered in protest after he announced on twitter that he was stepping down from politics. it comes a hit of the supreme court ruling tomorrow on with the parliament should be

dissolved, will bits it from may till macwrite. we'll keep you updated on the developments in baghdad. the news continues here on al jazeera, after inside story, which has got mixed and counting the cold european nations tons of coal upper band on russian fossil fuels. but it won't cost biden's inflation reduction act is a big economic. when is it enough? tech companies are once high flyers now as best as a ditching technology stocks. counting the cost on al jazeera is libya, on the brink of another civil war. a power struggle between rival governments triggers fighting on the streets of the capital, tripoli, 10 years of negotiations, mediation, and cease fires. have failed to bring peace. so is there a way out this is inside story. ah,

i welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan, after 2 years of relative peace fighting has returned to the libyan capital. at least 32 people have been killed in st. battles between rival malicious and central tripoli. it's escalating the dispute about who should govern the country. the militias are divided between those who support the un recognized government and tripoli about who back a rival parliament based in the eastern city of to brook. for months, the eastern administration's prime minister has tried to enter the capital and impose his authority, the u. n. of the us have appealed for com, but many libyans say the international community has failed to secure peace. more than 10 years after a while graphy was removed from power outage. here is malik, trainer report, south front tripoli. calm has returned to the capital, tripoli, after nearly 24 hours of intense and sporadic fighting across the city. a

skirmishes began on what at 1 30 am local time on on saturday, and that quickly escalated into a wider conflict between rival aren't groups. those affiliated with the internationally recognized prime minister. opposite i need to vega and others who are affiliated with the parallel government. these classes took place in densely populated areas. health officials tell us that 32 people have been killed and over a 150 injured. now both governments are placing blame on each other, but people here are extremely frustrated and angry at both governments. they want, they want these politicians to settle their differences on the negotiating table and not with bullets and artillery intensely populated areas. 2.8000000 libyans

registered to vote in the elections that were supposed to take place in, in december 2021. so there's a huge appetite libyans, one and, and to the political differences and, and to both governments. and they want to vote who they believe can move the country forward and stabilize the country. now trainer for inside story, well, stabilizing libya is important for the west for several reasons. it has africa's largest oil reserves, and control of the sector has contributed to the fighting. major european oil companies have been active there for decades, but the conflict has hampered the operations. libya has become a popular departure point for undocumented migrants and refugees and as a result, human trafficking. last year, 32000 asylum seekers crossed the mediterranean to europe. more than twice as many as 2020 libya is also a wash with weapons. although an eyesore linked armed group has been defeated, tax remained, consign. ah,

let's bring in our guess from tripoli, we're joined by seller elbert kusha, former advisor to libby as high counsellor state from london. jason pac president of libya, analysis l. l. c. and from alexandria egypt. man. so i'll kick here, professor of politics at the university of texas at san antonio. gentleman could have you with us on inside story. jason, start with you. how dangerous a moment is this for libya? i think the danger of this moment has been overplayed and it's been happening in slow motion since the beginning of this year. there have been 2 rival prime ministers. the europeans and international community have been following a policy of what i called destructive ambiguity following. imagine dean baddies phrase, meaning that for the 1st time we don't have a clearly recognized prime minister debarber of the g. a new prime minister has overstate his mandate. pasha ga, has now international legitimacy,

so both of them are not, are not legitimate and the world is so focused on ukraine that they haven't been trying to mediate this conflict. and of course, given this, if there's an ability for the emerald, these church and russians to, you know, play around and we see what i term, the global enduring disorder playing out in libya. was any non domestic entity involved in this weekend's violence? no, i wouldn't say so what has happened is that the pretender fatty bershana has flipped some militias in the tripoli area to supporting him and his allies in, in tan. like some of jer, wiley had their salaries cut on august 18th and they thought, well, we're getting weaker over time. ready might as well make this move on the capital. you have to keep in mind that in may of this year, chicago also tried to move on the capital, but he was rebuffed and not able to enter it without any clashes on today. he's already been calm in tripoli and it's unlikely that violence would, you know, really escalate into

a civil war of any kind and important to point out to your viewers that this isn't an east versus west struggle. libby has become like any other african country, people try to stay in power after their mandates expire so that they can access the resources of the semi sovereign institutions, which makes ruling libby a very lucrative. so you have to pretenders for power. they're not really ideologically, or regionally differentiated, both for sugar and dubai come from strata. each one is on the, on his mandate and doesn't have legitimacy to govern. man, so i'll kick here then in alexandria, professor good to have you with us. to what extent picking up on what jason was saying that to what extent the both parties have credibility issues with the libyan people given that their mandates her have expired. so thank you, haven't you? first of all, i agree with jason one point, but she says that we haven't washed provisions, ambiguous dates. first of all, we have to make it very clear to everyone to you and everyone else that libya is

a failed state. i just came from there and i've been there, i've been, i wrote a whole don book, 500 pages thinking what wonderful countries want to be able to get that and suddenly attitude a lot because it's a failed state. i mean, 1st of all, you have to say that mr. baker, i don't know where he came out. we came ok and ultimately he's missing a contractor in he's a bill made his money was to get that. i don't want to bash altura, but i think with the old school, i think it's interesting to see what company did after community counseling they've been separated. and the only way we like it or not the only just with organization we have in the other bad it is. it's legitimate. it was the last elected body. not going to shock, not a not so raj, no one else. and i think here's the, here's the problem we have in comparative chipley as proxies between 2

latins bash, altura and baby by the entropy again to pertains. now this is what's happening today. the problem is, is that neither of these hasn't been seen. neither is we'll get it if there's open reduction in the 1st place. but ultimately that's, this is the consequences of having to say in one state, to parliament, 2 or governments and, and to my malicious, this is what's going to happen. ok, me, we shouldn't be surprised. solid normal, a big push it in triplet. then what do you make of what you just heard? to what extent could the situation be boiled down to, to illegitimate prime ministers normally appointed to deliver elections, which they failed to bring about. and instead or intent on starting a war to ensure that they can hold hi office on challenge sherman is for

a fair assessment or way of the mock. let no quote. first of all i, i don't understand the meaning of 2 illegitimate prime ministers. i mean doubt, and legitimate if you got i say that there were, were not the elected, but it baber, with all his her problems. he was selected by a un sponsored process. there says that he will stay on until elections are held. and he is recognized by the international community at his government holds the seats in the united nations in the arab league and in the african union, so on. so so saying that the 2 are bodies, ira, and legitimate or the 2 prime ministers are elizabeth is, is really beside the point and i don't think it stands any an examination. but other one oppressed that here is the situation. the situation is that we have the house of representatives in the east and the majority of that house is from the

west. so it's not a struggle between east and west, as some adjacent has suggested. that house has been in place for 8 years. it's mandate was 18 months, it's still there. we have and a with the high council of state which met which should been in power. busy for 10 years and they both are responsible for a national, they don't want to get out. and they are now trying to give us a good transitional government number 9 in 11 years. and that's what the problem is. what libyans need, we know that elections are not them mass magic won, but we've tried everything. over the last 11 years, we produced 11 governments. these 2 bodies that exist now day household

representatives in the east and the high council of state. in the west. i have been responsible for a transitional government. i can remind everybody that in 2015 we reached an agreement. and serat, for a transitional government called g n, u government of national g and a government of national court. it was supposed to lead to elections in 2016. the house of representatives in the east, the created about government and killed elections in 2021. we're ish as a un sponsored agreement in geneva and we created the unity government call the government of national unity to all the elections. and 2020 to the got the household with that is on the east created at the new a bashar government barrel. government and kill the elections for so right now, the only solution out of this that ness is elections that will take away the

household presented as the i council of state it, babe, as government, bashar was government and to hire the presidential council and give us a fresh chance with a freshman date or a jason pen. what do you make of what you heard that to any of the political actors in libya? actually care about what the people of libya want to study from factor into their actions to us does either one of the, the prime ministers of the motor actually want an election. well, that's a great point. neither of them do and a professor althea and mister buck, 2 should make key point switches that this isn't a struggle between east and west. it's a struggle between status, co actors who want to stay in power, keep their cronies and power of the central bank or o dac, the office of development of administrative centers, where you can skin billions off the top and the h o r on in east as you know, long past it's mandate. i think that the libyan people's wishes have been ignored

and mr. about to his point that we need electrons is key. but he stressing to my mind too much the legitimacy of the de, by the government and the existing institutions. electrons are needed, he's right, but that's to wipe away the old. all the old has no sovereignty, it's past it's mandate. serrato is no longer legally binding. and i think the key thing is to put this in larger context for your viewers. we're living in a world of global enduring disorder. this is a world in which major nation states can coordinate with each other. russia, china in the us, don't coordinate together on climate change and the arctic because they're fighting in ukraine and taiwan and therefore they can't get together to work together to find a solution and incentivize libyans to get their act together. in fact, they metal and make it more difficult for the various libyan parties. turkey is playing a useful mediating role, but they're happy with either prime minister. the moratti's have flipped sides multiple times and we need an international community which speaks with one voice

to incentivize these libby and electrons and deny starboard anti to anyone who stays on beyond its mandate. otherwise, we're going to have what we've had for the last 11 years, which is it soon as anyone gets into power, he holds his chair for dear life and never wants to depart his chair, because that's where he gains the ability to corrupt money and to put his cronies in charge of various institutions. all right, we'll come back to international reaction in just a moment, but i want to pick up on of what you were saying at the beginning that answer professor al kicker would either side be prepared to accept the government led by someone who has no ties to the government of national unity or the to brook parliament and it does that person even exist on it? and is that actually what the people of libya want? see, i think, i think this point is one for what you say is, as jason said is, is right to the point, the problems here we get there is gone. but get there is in the still in libya that

is spent or to years hammering out. essential rationalism, libyans, they do this, i mean, you'd be surprised to see that there's no sentiment that the libyans, that the oldest land, something that they care about it, they don't what they care about, most of their pockets one way or another and more important. they don't care about legitimacy than what else. i mean, just coming to ben garza right now, it's still, i was never adjusted with the signs of carlos with drug dealers of latin america, the rock, the fold of the 3, the laws that nobody calls them. the problem here really is so, so serious, so serious that, that there is no sense that i belong to this, that i or i mean, i don't, i do not asking what you kind of does when the country is not there. the issue is very, very serious. there is no sense of lesbianism and among them is that these,

so i really don't care about that. you asked me to do more. i don't care what it, what it is, say it because because the post read miss williams, stephanie williams. what departing statement. and i was very clear about what the government is doing right now. what they will, they asked prior to. they don't care. as simple as that, if they said they wouldn't be there in the space, there would agree or somebody who's usual, who at least tries to try to put things together. what we're going right now, it's direct towards division. i'm sorry to say to my friends, which are you do like the guys by my brother, but we have 2 states with a 2 governments we have to parliament will have to. it is very, very difference. quite now, thanks to this in levin is that who had and what he is a good looking at. of course you have all of that the various armed, malicious in the country as well. mister o buckaroo shack, house,

how come democracy take hold? when you have these armed militias in control of large parts of the country while these are malicious, are a problem indeed. but this is a symptom, and that is not the cause of the problem. the cause of the problem is that we have no constitution. we have no election, we have no elected government. and that's why right now you can't talk to the russian and tell them that for example, get out of the country because he then, you know, the other government wants me in and the and demolition say, well, you're not elected a half are killed every government since 2011, that i will not submit to any government has not elected. so here's the issue. we need to stabilize the political situation so we can deal with the, with, with, with the problem and i found how solicit house, how, how so do you do that?

we do that by election. we what the thing is, is that when you suggested maybe there will agree to a 3rd government death. neither here that's neither baby or machine. that's exactly what they're aiming for. another deal to split a government. and then what they did was for the 10 times before, and it didn't get us anywhere after a year or a year and a couple of months there were down, back at each other, each other's throat. and they want another power sharing div will done with that. we need all these bodies that proved beyond doubt, that there are incapable doubt incompetent. and there are corrupt when we need him to go and have a fresh chance of doing something else. so we can finish the constitution for god's sake, we've been working on it for 11 years and it was supposed to be in the constitution decal. the declaration is supposed to be finished within

a $120.00 days of one at 2014. so. so here's the situation we have to deal. we have to deal with the political situation, get an elected death, a constituent assembly, and deal with all these problems on we can talk with one voice that nobody can challenge. it's legitimate. chosen a title 9 question perhaps here, but, but speaking with one voice as one country does libya have a future as one single country given at the moment that it's, it's governed by 2 separate entities and is roughly split, split it east and west i think lib is a country um the oil infrastructure, criss crosses east and west water from the southeast. and cobra is used to ah, you know, give the people of tripoli drinking water and the ports and subsidies systems are connected. i agree with our, my other guests. we need bold solutions,

but we need to do what. ah, mr. buck do suggested which is separating causes from symptoms. and hawes is the libyan economic structure. it's not that there's no constitution or that this government to that government is in power. it's the subsidy system. and the very nature of how the libyan economy works. we need an international financial commission, which takes control of libya's finances and makes it, that it's not worth fighting for to get control of the central bank. and until that happens, libya has become africanized and has become the plaything of the global enduring disorder where turkey and russia fight each other, egypt and the u. h. e fight each other and libyans are just left, you know, on opposite sides of this divide. so is the very nature of the root causes, which is the libyan economic system, which promotes resource capture that needs to be treated professor. how do we bring

about what jason? this is proposing go the $1000000.00 question. i have, i have no idea. the truth is, i have no idea under, under the getting what we get, what we're giving in our hand like that. i don't know how we can do that. ultimately, i mean with the problems lawless, the malicious and dominating west. esther has done it in the east. the people don't work there so they just don't work. i'm yes, the come on your wife or whatever. all the getting out. it's funny and salaries is not the infrastructure. luckily, you all are there where maybe more money gone. for the last 40 years, i have no idea. roads are not working, they're just not working. factories are all gone and yet believe it or not, factors of clothes and that the employees of those factors are still getting wages more than what supposedly working in those factories. and they're getting bonuses

to as well do that and then get motors and then all strike. i mean this is, this is, this is lemma. we have writing both of us. yes, i agree. it's are the only problem. i have no doubt about that, but the country is not working any other way is becoming it was the rental states not only getting well, but they do nothing with that except for salaries and eating it and that the way new ally, dear holler are at the salt salad, l, l, because how do we, how do we get away from this present moment of danger than and how do we bring about what jason was was describing for us? there are some sort of long term fix here. is it possible to do? well, i know i, i as i and the so jason suggested as an international mechanism for managing her lives that are sources. but i think that's, that's probably akin to mr. trump suggesting that we drink bleach to get rid of a corona or it's not possible. so,

so i think the international community succeeded in 2021 to tell the house of representatives and the high country state debt. they have no monopoly on the political process and brought 13 of the house of representatives and 13 of the house at the high cost on state into the libyan political dialogue, which had $75.00 people. and they managed to get a unified government, mr. cole, which dropped the ball later on and the air here we are. so i think we can go back to the same process and finish it by election. that 2800000 people registered for like the report suggested there is no other way out of it. we can't continue with these bodies that gave us all these transitional governance. and we are still in the same place but may be worse than we were. 5 or 10 years ago, jason, i've got

a minute left on the program will give both the last word to you what. what do you, what do you make of what you just heard the thank you. i don't think elections are the solution. it's not about nationalizing or internationalizing libya's finances, but changing the rules of the game, making things transparent, having an international financial commission which overseas libby, as finances, and that unifies the previously to visit international actors. russians turks, emerald is all me to get their back payments paid as to the italians and fractured americans. we need to adjudicate all of the corruption and pay some contracts $0.10 on the dollar and other $0.80 on the dollar. this can be solved. there are when, when solutions there do you, when is more a bond, it's going to need to have a fit for purpose vehicle. the probably led by the e u. the u. s. with our allies. ok, like turkey and the amorous check up. this is low hanging fruit here, and we can do this if we rallied the kind of resolve that has been shown in ukraine

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