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ah, 1730 g m t. the headlines on al jazeera, at least 9 people have been killed during fighting with the iraqi security forces. support is a she i to leader mac tad, our father stormed the presidential palace in bagdad after he announced he would permanently resign from politics. mahmoud abdougla had has more from the rocky capital. a little while ago we were hearing at bullets whistling past us at this spot. that's why we're in protection. give all the team here. so as you know, that this hurts, other supporters has told me the position a palace to day following his tweet resigning from all the political process. but artistic or prime minister must have, as causing me give commands to all security forces to be on high alert. back his son says he could take 5 years to rebuild rafter devastating floods. the
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unprecedented rains of killed more than 1100 people since june. the browning minister says if calls at least $10000000000.00 in damage, ukraine says it's launch a counter offensive against russian forces in the south, including an effort to retake her san russian missiles, reportedly hit a market in nova, cough cough a team from the un nuclear watched on, meanwhile, is on its way to inspect ukraine's operation nuclear power plant. it comes as fighting continues near the plants raising fears of the radiation leak in angled are the governing party and present child or n. so have been declared the winners of last week's presidential and parliamentary elections. the emp yearly has been in power for nearly 50 years since independence in 1975. brazil has held its 1st presidential debate in the run up to october election. the front runners are the incumbent variable scenario and former leader lucy na, similar silver who surging in opinion polls and the launch of mass as much anticipated
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artemus rocket has been postponed because of technical problems. engineers at the kennedy space center in florida say they encountered an engine problem next on al jazeera. since i've story to say with us. ah, pakistan suffers from the worst floods in more than a decade. at least a 1000 people have died in 2 months of torrential monsoon race. how much is climate change to blame? i can the country cope with the resulting humanitarian crisis. this is inside story . ah
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ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm rob matheson, that although monsoon baines are an annual occurrence in pakistan, this year's deluge has caused the most destructive floods in most people's memories . some provinces have received more than 5 times the average rainfall since june. the climate change minister sherry herman, as called it a climate induced humanitarian disaster of epic proportions. she says more than a 3rd of the country could still be submerged after the monster monsoon season ends . more than 1100 people have died. 15 percent of the population is affected, half a 1000000 homes have be damaged or swept away. bridges and roads are destroyed. and people who are running out of food and drinking water come all hider has more from the swat district in northern pakistan. it is a dr. the like
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a great boggart on i had not heard before. we've been talking to people in the affected area who think this may be 4 times worse than the 2010 flood, which affected over 20000000 people across the country. and although the flood now boarded grave today to sudden pun job in the province of sin, many key areas of upper swat and baluchistan got off from the outside world. and because the roads and bridges have been swept away by the aging darting it is going to be a difficult job to try to get relief, an aide into the affected area, bug a star needs head and it needs that fought. although the international community has started sending much needed it, it will take time to get it to the affected area of gosh, bug, a standard need to do a mall when it comes to coping with such crisis. and although people may be thinking that the government will come today, aid so father complaining that it is only the little girls who are helping their
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fellow citizens. this is indeed a catastrophe of biblical proportions. and buckets, don will need help thought this has come. i'll hide therefore inside story provinces in the south of bracing for more flooding. as water flows done from the mountainous areas in the north. foreign aid has started to arrive, but the government says it needs boar funds. xandra shopping reports from the city of soho and the southern sind province, along with a rising death, told there are a countless number of people who have been injured in the floods. there are countless number of people who are suffering from water and borne waterborne illnesses and all kinds of skin diseases. and there are countless displaced by the flood waters that have been wreaking havoc across pocket bone. now here in the province, one of the worst effected where humanitarian relief, 8 is the most needed, where the highest number of people have died and continue to suffer from this
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crisis. while there are is help coming while there are international aid packages and airplanes arriving with much need today. it's not coming quickly enough. a lot of people that we've met here say that they cannot wait by the side of the road for help, that they cannot wait and possibly die before any help arrives. they're packing up, they're moving into places like suck or like other larger population centers. and they are looking for help them, so they say the least they can do is pick up some kind of manual labor, some kind of work. so they can earn a little bit of money to feed their children, people through it hungry people to be thirsty and they say they feel like they're on the brink of death. so the circumstances here are very serious here and sucker at the edge of the industry river. it is clear that the river is getting bigger, the water is flowing and the river is swelling and the waters from the north are headed this way. so the worry for people here in the province now is what will arrive 1st,
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the humanitarian relief that they desperately need to stay alive or more flood waters. vain basra v for inside story. ah ok, let's bring in our gas in la whole. we have our bodies and environment policy analyst also in the whole is sort of hired. she's a lawyer specializing in climate change policy. and in islam about peter, paul, who's the head of international federation of red crossman present societies in pakistan. warm, welcome to you all peter. i want to start with you. i know that you've worked in several different countries dealing with situations like this in preparation for them. how does this situation pakistan compare with what you've seen before? wow. because you know, thank you so much for having younger on the program. yes. indeed, i have been working for the process present for a long time. the situation we see here, and i mean, i would say over the dentist, we have been working in many flotsap, creational group corporations. the plots here are really devastating and the for
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study people were clearly not prepared. i would say processing, nobody can be prepared for such weather and, and the impact is, is huge. it's huge. and this is something that we will see for a long time to call the situation is very dire impacts stuff. adela pakistan has faced severe floods before it's had extreme weather on, on both sides of the scale. if you like. this is something significantly different . what is different this time? what starter is one of the significant things that we've seen as change in the patterns of the month. and this is, this happened over the last 4 years. the mon sooner has shifted to it. so the entry and increase in rainfall back and we're not sure it does not allow the water to go out and just accumulate. so we have these massive areas about 10 percent of the
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country, and this is specifically for over the country, but 10 percent of the entire country is under water. so significant aids what has been said is similar to the last 2010 super flood. but in terms of the concentration of issues, it's lived in south of entry even if pakistan and the authorities had enough warning of what was coming is really much that they could have on to try to ameliorate the situation and, and at least ease it for some people i know, i don't think, i think there's a knee jerk reaction to sort of start blaming the government when something like this happens, but pakistan the kind of sites that were experiencing, even though we had warning that floods were coming. and i had some level, perhaps the government was also preparing for it, but i don't think we could have prepared for what we're seeing right now. especially like, because like the other side, the monsoon rains have been unprecedented. we've experienced,
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generally bucks. time gets about 4 cycles, $3.00 to $4.00 cycles, a monsoon rains and this time we're getting around it and we probably going to get moral. so and that said so, and they a bunch of reasons why, but why the flood, the ssl extreme this time. and i do think the government could really have prepared for this kind of catastrophe and destruction. you say that there's a bunch of reasons, can you just run through what those reasons might be in addition, as you said, to the climate change that has been experienced? yeah, absolutely. so think of it like a pyramid, if you found of reasons. and the foundational reason i'd say is climate change with climate change with global warming, your clouds, your plans can hold more water vapor, which means that when the league this torrential rain and which is why there's more erotic rainfall and spread across and it spread across larger regions this time and then of course, changing with is because of climate change,
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which means more monsoon rains motor and shield rain. and then we have glaciers of pakistan on this region of the of the world. we host the card largest glacial ice mass in the world after the north and south poles and the climate change. because glaciers are melting and receding. we are seeing a lot of flash floods with seeing a lot of glacial leak out, but plugs and all that water is coming down south into the country. and then on top of that. and so this is, so this is like the 1st layer would be climate change amongst the causes. the 2nd i'd say, would be poor developmental planning. and i believe we are to blame entirely for that really. we've been making. we've been building, we've been constructing on river banks and river shoulders, basically just obstructing the natural flow of water and more and nature will win in the end. and that's what happened. so the kind of destruction that we're experiencing is part and parcel because of poorer development planning because of
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permits to build in areas or, and that are sensitive to flight. there's been a lot of bombing on flight planes that shouldn't have been there to begin with. and then other reasons for the impacts of these kind of floods. i of course, governance challenge is a constant sort of a strife between the center that is law and brought in c as and who's going to be responsible. and a lot of sort of less. there is a, it seems like there's a, a lot of government departments will keep shifting burden to other government departments and sort of shock responsibility. i think that has done a lot to harm in flood relief efforts and in better end for the preparation of floods. and that said, political instability over the last couple of months in pakistan has definitely definitely exacerbated the situation for us. the nation was, has been so occupied between and the political sort of big has been so occupied. so
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polarized between political parties and the upcoming general elections that our priorities were amazed. maybe and i say this is a huge maybe, but maybe had our priorities been more aligned, we put a prepared better for the slot tower. the monsoon usually is vital for agriculture for the growth of crops in the income, of course, from millions of farmers. given the scale of what we've been seeing, how much of an economic impact is, is going to have on the farming community in pakistan. which of course is, is one of the key elements of the country's economy. initial estimates being very big picture. there are a $1000000000.00 worth of crop losses. nearly a 1000000000 venue 1000000000 more when you consider livestock and got their losses because those are key and what's the key ownership within the farming communities? and then of course, the crop of standing. it's not just that's been damaged for the next 3 before
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months. this is the period when the wheat crop is in the same problem. the read prop song which is been harvested in february and march. that won't be done. this won't be possible to be at the land, but then there's a cycle for the short crop as the cotton crop, which is a big, big need for the country. because when it extend manufacturing country is huge, steps that meet that crop will not have to import that as well. so when you put all of that together along with infrastructure law says and owns the roads and bridges . the minimum initial assessment is $5000000000.00. and this is just immediate damage when you think in terms of the invitation, they think in terms of getting these lines in order getting the existing can i asked them to work because it's been, it's been badly damaged as well when we have dikes being broken. when you are in
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place is the anti bad just happened to the small downs i've been so so it will take a long while. and just to give you a sort of estimate from 2010, when it didn't drain this much, it was lightly rain plus the estimate or the end we want to plug commissioner boom and came ahead with was $40000000000.00. so a bug already mentioned political, i says, and it's also in the situation where the economy has been doing poorly. we have and all of that together is becoming a big, big problem to, to look at the near future pizza. i want to ask you about the amount of responsibility that organizations like yours i'll be having to carry in this situation. because i thought it was making the point earlier that nobody could have been prepared for the scale of what was happening. least of all the government although, but whether or not they actually knew it was coming. how much of
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a burden is falling on organizations like yours compared to the level of response that you're seeing from government organizations? no, i would. i wouldn't really call it a burden because i think it's very negative for it is about what we do as human actors and organizations is working with government workers, communities to make sure that people are better prepared for it. so, and that that is our role. yes, of course we would rather do all the development programs, of course, because that would mean that actually everything works perfect. but it is that the prepared is not. we are working with the community. we also work with government lots to do adopt disaster, which reduction. what to do in case of a disaster, how do you strong arm, for example, how do you do 1st aid every rather than any 1st aid but also like you've just flopped. what is the reaction that you have to do? how do you get to higher ground is earthquakes? do you do?
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so any other role that we play? and again, there's nothing to do with people are prepared or not prepared of this. mike lee funnel members also set d. c off on president. there's nothing you can do about it, it's and it is indeed a combination of rain and the warming of the earth and the melting of the eyes on the glacier. so it is a combination off. but we assume that act as human in organizations are there to assist and we do that whatever it is. so now for the, for the crops been said lots of crops have been lost areas of to day to day and it will take a long time. it might take weeks, months before all the water has receded, and that means that the crops are completely lost. so what we do after the cost of at crescent is actually coming into our, to people as well in the livelihoods, in our appeal that we just launched. for pakistan, we do have
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a gosh component to new device actually is to assist people in their livelihood to start small businesses, to buy tools to buy seats. so the moment that the water is as receded that they can start planting again. of course we get into the winter now, but we how pretty we kind of what we can do so far down here to the climate change minister. chevy vine. and she's also being quoted as saying, we need better planning and sustainable development in the ground. we need climate resilient crops as well as structures that make sense. but this is not a situation that pakistan is new to it is suffered, this kind of thing before. why hasn't this being done before? why hasn't actually been done before sustainable planning not been done? well, both because as i say, the situation in pakistan is to a certain extent not new despite the fact that this is on an unprecedented scale. the one would imagine that some effort would have been made to bring in the methods that sharing them and is talking about. and yet she seems to be suggesting that
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there is taking something like this to put the thought into people's heads. what she was suggesting is that focused on needs to constantly sort of prepare for it and adapt to climate change, which is something we are doing to the best of our abilities. but at this point, i think now the bushes come to shove, i really must say it out loud beyond really responsible for climate change. walker on is and we're just on the receiving end of it impacts really and which is why the lesson because feeling so personal to us because we contribute less than 0.8 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions. that's literally negligible. and yet look at what's happening. they've lost more than a 1000 lives since june. 23000000 people are affected one and 7, but this tiny, the sleeping outside in the oakland and literally house is livelihood. life store is more than one was 800000 livestock have died. and like we've been talking
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about, i'll reiterate, i don't think we could have prepared for the slides. i think what we could have done is maybe we could have had better early warning systems. maybe we could have had that evacuation plans ready. and yes, i think that is a, a, it's bull calculation on the part of the provincial disaster management authorities and the national disaster management authority. however, if you'd like me to talk a little about what works on is doing the climate change to be, i want to stress the, i'm doing whatever we can with, you know, with the political instability and economic instability and the kind of population we have in the 5th most populated country in the world. sometimes for the government time it changes on the back burner. it shouldn't be, i'm definitely not saying it should be, but it does happen. it just sort of slides to the back, but we are investing in making climate resilient or, or other water climate resiliency, so to speak. so to speak, drops that will grow in the line for interrupting you. because i want to pick up on
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something that you have talked about. i want to ask, what about the sarah is making the points that that has been recorded in several places that pakistan's a contribution to global. global climate change is actually percentage wise. very, very small. why is it, do you think that other governments of other countries which produce more of an impact on the climate seem or if not unwilling, then certain, not in a position to be able to help pakistan in situations like this or in the preparation of situations like this because pakistan is having a minimal impact on there having a more significant impact. one would, the burden should out of responsibility should actually lie with them. so those are the 2, then she is completely a 100 percent correct. that is when we talk about terms of, in terms of just give you an idea that if you put the entire population of
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australia on one side and you look in just people effectively are more effective. and when talking about the sponsibility focus on is building the brand before this, at only $1.00 degrees rich. and in the mean average was about one degree increase. now even a 0 point, one degree increase means for august on the time on some back and can change. it will switch its existing form centuries of or by far just a little bit of every change. so this is what we did talking about about the emissions off the entire globe have to come down and maybe when $1.00 degrees is untenable for what happens at that point. if 3 are going to touch $1.00, which is the goal and bit these net, there's a targeted one by 4. when people to targets for the countries that it is something that we're going to leverage of $1.00 or even exceed dot will mean that for
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millions of people like there will be no shelter, they will have to accurate. and when we talk about recreation lines and everything, we do countries like this on to 33000000 people. it's not possible simply not feasible for countries like us band for such a big, big, big calamity. it's, of course, when it's failure, when we talk being will it, it will or being among the top most, most one of the artifacts preparedness part of it is governance. part of it is the capacity, investments and zillions, but it does not have the resources, we wouldn't badly spend those resources if we had none of those resources are available to us or have been provided since the purchase agreement. i want to forgive me for interrupting you, but i want to bring in child because she was anxious to make a point that yeah, i just wanted to i, i just wanted to build
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a little more on what dollar thing is. absolutely right. but i think what the more important thing right now is like he's saying, we are going to be this part of the world, global salt and the subcontinent, even bungler, the india pockets on a lot of fun. we're going to be experiencing very high temperatures. if climate change is in control or other will be warming isn't controlled, and that means more exacerbated floods. that means we will be get, we will be seeing floods maybe worse than these ones. and what the government really needs to do, and i would like to dine with, you're going to what, why show you them on really hasn't the way the government hasn't the best the climate change? i think it's gotten an absolutely essential that we start preparing. now, today as for, you know, 4 plus that will be less than what we're seeing right now. these are the less than the 2010. so the next slide could read. i want to bring in here because he's quite anxious to make appoint. let me just ask you, peter a given the scale of everything that we have been talking about, are you concerned that organizations like yours will simply reach
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a point where they cannot cope? really? it's difficult to say, i think so far, we have been able to go over the many years. we do exist and each and every time we do add up to the situation and that is what we have to be assuming. organizations we have to be flexible. have to adapt to the tuition. yes, you can see then then i'll start off with that. the 2 to erase is getting worse. 20 . 2010. make up lots and to 2022. it's more towards what is going to be next thing can we do with it? and not the same time. we also have to see like 22 slots. now today, content of time when we, the people in the community were already very valuable. we had, we went to the whole coffee and then we put a economy cope burden to everybody, to government, but to the people themselves. so people off hon already so it isn't adding up to and yet all the ami reaching on and that we cannot do it. well,
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i do nothing. so we know the, as i've been working in new met in sector, we always manage to live with it. it's an effort, but we do, we do do it. and also we are getting better to certain extent because technology will help us better. we can do more with less that we did earlier on what the point that i want to make up. the discussion of like climate change and up focused on actually didn't know but has to be burden of the whole climate change and disasters . the impact of it, i think instead of pointing fingers, yes we have to do with dr. has to be have to go to the rest of the level. you have to do more, stop it. but i think what you have to do now with these floss? 2010. compare what have you done in 2010. how do you cope with the 2010 for how do we go? 2022 plots. what have you learned from 2010 to 22? how do we can, how can we do better? and i do believe in my colleagues here in the office that have been very much you
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bought in 2010 slots. we have learned a lot. we have actually have a better system in place to respond and to actually keep their i'm very sorry, i'm going to have to ask you to stop them. afraid we have run out of time, but i appreciate you very much for being with us. thank you to all our guests, our boss thought of hired, and peter often thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is out. asia inside story for me, robot isn't in the whole team here. to bye for now. the me. ah.
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