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and forward embassies. they comes on so powerful. she need them looks rather. so he was quitting politics and so those followers of iraq, government police, the hundreds were injured when security forces tried to drive protest is out of the complex, which is the prime minister's office with other southern nogales hunger strike. and he says his protests will continue until security forces stop using violence against his followers. so they had called for early elections after the last oh, to the type of fail to lead to the formation of a government. by the way, it has more from baghdad. this whole escalation comes against the backdrop of the 10 months of political rivalries of dispute that i've been derailing, forming the government, the dispute, namely, between the southern movement and the allies on the one hand. and the iranian bagged politicians. on the other hand, for the past 2 months,
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the parliament has failed more than once to form a government or elect a new president due to that political rivalry over who is entitled to form a government in other news. but as i was planning minister says, the initial economic losses from the floods could be higher than $10000000000.00 after the bol estimates. it'll take 5 years to rebuild and recover the reins of killed more than 1100 people since june. the government enjoy your food shortages because of how many crops have been loft, military helicopters have not been deployed to help those stranded in remote areas . there are conflicting reports coming out of ukraine that after it launched a counter offensive against russian fulton south in an effort to retake the casual region, you can says its troops have broken through russian defences in several parts of the front line near the city of cash on foreseen, it's to retreat, but russia says the ukrainian advance has been repelled and ukraine suffered heavy
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losses. but he followed those stories on a website at our desert dot com. it's updated throughout the day. i'll be back with more news in half an hour on the next. it's inside story to stay with us. ah. pakistan suffers from the worst floods in more than a decade, at least a 1000 people have died in 2 months of torrential monsoon rates. how much is climate change to blame and can the country cope with the resulting humanitarian crisis? this is inside story. ah
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ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm rob matheson, that although monsoon baines are an annual occurrence in pakistan, this year's deluge has caused the most destructive floods in most people's memories . some provinces have received more than 5 times the average rainfall since june. the climate change minister sherry herman, as called it a climate induced humanitarian disaster of epic proportions. she says more than a 3rd of the country could still be submerged after the monster monsoon season ends . more than 1100 people have died. 15 percent of the population is affected. half a 1000000 homes have be damaged or swept away. bridges and roads are destroyed. and people who are running out of food and drinking water come all hider has more from the swat district in northern pakistan. it is da da da da, like a great bugger tanya had not heard before. we've been talking to people in the
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affected area who think this may be 4 times worse than the 2010 flood, which affected over 20000000 people across the country. and although the flood now boarded the grave today to southern pun, job in the province of sin, many key areas of upper swat and baluchistan got off from the outside world. and because the roads and bridges have been swept away by the agent darting it is going to be a difficult job to try to get relief, an aide into the affected area. bug a star needs head. and it needs that fought. although the international community has started sending much needed aid, it will take time to get it to the affected area of gosh, bug, a standard need to do a mall when it comes to coping with such crisis. and although people may be thinking that the government will come today, aid so father complaining that it is only the little girls who are helping their
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fellow citizens. this is indeed a catastrophe of biblical proportions. and buckets don will need help foster this has come out of high def, or insight story provinces in the south of bracing for more flooding is water flows done from the mountainous areas in the north. foreign aid has started to arrive, but the government says it needs boar funds, xandra shopping reports from the city of soho and the southern sind province. along with a rising death pole, there are a countless number of people who have been injured in the floods. there are countless number of people who are suffering from water and borne waterborne illnesses and all kinds of skin diseases. and there are countless displaced by the flood waters that have been wreaking havoc across pocket fun. now here in the province, one of the worst effected where humanitarian relief, 8 is the most needed, where the highest number of people have died and continue to suffer from this
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crisis. while there are is help coming while there are international aid packages in airplanes arriving with much ne, today. it's not coming quickly enough. a lot of people that we've met here say that they cannot wait by the side of the road for help, that they cannot wait and possibly die before any help arrives. they are packing up, they're moving into places like soccer, like other larger population centers. and they are looking for help them, so they say the least they can do is take up some kind of manual labor, some kind of work so they can earn a little bit of money to feed their children. people truly hungry people truly thirsty and they say they feel like they're on the brink of death. so the circumstances here are very serious here and sucker at the edge of the in this river, it is clear that the river is getting bigger. the water is flowing and the river is swelling, and the waters from the north are headed this way. so the worry for people here in the province now is what will arrive 1st, the humanitarian relief that they desperately need to stay alive or more flood
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waters. vain basra v for inside story. ah ok, let's bring in our guests in law. we have our bodies and environment policy analyst also in the whole is sort of hired. she's a lawyer specializing in climate change policy. bond in islam about peter paul, who's the head of international federation of red crossman present societies in pakistan. warm welcome to you. well peter, i want to start with you. i know that you've worked in several different countries dealing with situations like this in preparation for them. how does this situation pakistan compare with what you've seen before? wow. because you know, thank you so much for having younger on the program. yes, indeed, i have been working for the process present for a long time. the situation we see, and i mean, i would say over the dentist, we have been working in many flood operational group corporations. the plots here are really devastating and for studies. people were clearly not
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prepared. i would say processing, nobody can be prepared for such weather and, and the impact is, is huge. it's huge. and this is something that we will see for a very long time to call the situation. it's very dire impacts. adela pakistan has faced severe floods before it's had extreme weather on, on both sides of the scale. if you like. this is something significantly different . what is different this time? what starter is one of the significant things that we've seen as change in the patterns of the month. and this is the last 4 years the monsoon has shifted to the country and he sees in rainfall back and we're not sure it does not allow the water to go out and just accumulate. so we have these massive areas about 10 percent of the country,
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and this is specifically for the south of the country, but 10 percent of the entire land, the countries under work. so it's significant, it's what has been said is similar to the last 2010 super flood. but in terms of the concentration of issues, it's lived in south of the country. even if pakistan on the authorities had enough warning of what was coming, it's really much that they could have on to try to ameliorate the situation and at least ease it for some people. i know, i don't think i think there's a knee jerk reaction to sort of start blaming the government when something like this happens. but for pakistan, the kind of sites that were experiencing, even though we had warning that floods were coming and i had some level, perhaps the government was also preparing for it. but i don't think we could have prepared for what we're seeing right now. especially like, because like the other side, the monsoon rains have been unprecedented. we've experienced generally bucks. time
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gets about 4 cycles, 3 to 4 cycles, a monsoon rains and this time we're getting around it. and we probably going to get moral. so, and that said so, and they a bunch of reasons why, but why the floods are so x treme this time. and i do think the government could really have prepared for this kind of catastrophe and destruction. you say that there's a bunch of reasons, can you just run through what those reasons might be in addition, as you said, to the climate change that has been experienced? yeah, absolutely. so think of it like a pyramid, if you found of reasons. and the foundational reason i'd say is climate change with climate change with global warming, your clouds, your plans can hold more water vapor, which means that when the leak this torrential rain and which is why there's more erotic rainfall and spread across and it spread across larger regions this time and then of course, changing with the pattern is because of climate change,
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which means more monsoon rains motor and shield rain. and then we have glaciers of pakistan on this region of the of the world. we host the 3rd largest glacial ice mass in the world after the north and south poles and the climate change. because glaciers are melting and receding. we're seeing a lot of flash floods with seeing a lot of glacial lake outburst plugs and all that water is coming down south into the country. and then on top of that. and so the say so this is like the 1st layer would be climate change amongst the causes. the 2nd i'd say, would be poor developmental planning. and i believe we are to blame entirely for that really. we've been making, we've been building, we've been constructing on river banks and river shoulders, basically just obstructing the natural flow of water and more and nature will win in the end. and that's what happened. so the kind of destruction that we are experiencing is part and parcel because of poorer development planning because of
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permits to build in areas or, and that are sensitive to flight. there's been a lot of farming on flight planes that shouldn't have been there to begin with. and then other reasons for the impacts of these kind of floods. i of course, governance challenge is a constant sort of strife between the center that is law and brought in c as and who's going to be responsible and a lot of sort of a less. there's a, it seems like there's a lot of government departments will keep shifting burden to other government departments and sort of shock responsibility. i think that has done a lot to harm in flood relief efforts and in preparation for the preparation of floods. and that said, political instability over the last couple of months in pakistan has definitely definitely exacerbated the situation for us. the nation was, has been so occupied between the political sort of big as been so occupied. so
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polarized between political parties and the upcoming general elections that our priorities were amazed. maybe and i say this is a huge maybe, but maybe had our priorities been more aligned, we put a prepared better for the slot tower. the monsoon usually is vital for agriculture and the growth of crops in the income, of course, from millions of farmers. given the scale of what we've been seeing, how much of an economic impact is, is going to have on the farming community in pakistan. which of course is, is one of the key elements of the country's economy. the initial estimates being debatable picture. there are a $1000000000.00 worth of crop losses. nearly a 1000000000 venue 1000000000 more when you consider livestock and doctor lot is because those are key and what's the key ownerships within the farming communities? and then of course the crop of standing. it's not just that's been damaged for the next 3 before months. this is the period when the wheat crop is in the same problem
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. the read prop song which is been harvested in february and march. that won't be done. this would be possible to be at the land, but then there's a cycle for the short crop as the cotton crop, which is a big, big need for the country. because when it extend manufacturing country is huge, steps that need that crop will not have to import that as well. so when you put all of that together along with infrastructure loss in homes, roads, and bridges, the minimum initial assessment says $5000000000.00. and this is just immediate damage when you think in terms of the ability issue and they think in terms of getting these lines in order getting the existing can i asked them to work because it's been, it's been badly damaged as well when we have dikes been broken when you are in
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places the anti bad just happened to the small downs i've been so so it will be a long while. and just to give you a sort of estimate from 2010 when it didn't drain this much, it was largely the estimate or the end of the flood commission, the gloom and came ahead with was 40 $1000000000.00. so already mentioned political, i says, and it's also in the situation where the economy has been doing poorly. we have and all of that together is becoming a big, big problem. if you look at the near future, peter, i want to ask you about the amount of responsibility that organizations like yours i'll be having to carry in this situation. because thought it was making the point earlier that nobody could have been prepared for the scale of what was happening, least of all the government although, but whether or not they actually knew it was coming. how much of
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a burden is falling on? organizations like yours compared to the level of response that you're seeing from government organizations? no, i would, i wouldn't really call it a burden because i think it's very negative where it is. now, what we do as human actors and organizations is working with government workers, communities to make sure that people are better prepared, free. so, and that, that is our role. yes, of course we would rather do all the development programs, of course, because that would mean that everything looks perfect, but it is that the prepared is not. we are working with the community that we also work with the government lot to do the disaster, which reduction what to do in case of a disaster. how do you strong arm, for example, how do you do 1st aid every rather than any 1st aid, but also like if there's a lot, what is the direction that you have to do? how do you get to high your grounds is earthquakes. do you do?
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so any other role that we play, and again, there's nothing to do with people off the page are not prepared of this. mike leeks panel members also set these off on president. there's nothing you can do about it . it's, and it is indeed a combination of rain and the warming up of the earth and the melting of the eyes on the glacier. so it is a combination off, but we assume the act as human in organizations are there to assist. and we do that, whatever it is. so now for the, for the crops been said, lots of crops have been lost areas of to day to and it will take a long time. it might take weeks, months before all the water has receded. and that means that the crops are completely lost. so what we do after crosswords present is actually coming into our, to people as well in the livelihoods, in our appeal that we just launched. for pakistan, we do have a gosh component and it actually is to assist people in their livelihood to start
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small businesses, to buy tools, to buy seats on the move, and the water is as receipt that they can call planting again. of course we getting towards bin to now, but we how pretty it will be kind of what we can do so far down here to the climate change minister. chevy vine. and she's also being quoted as saying we need better planning and sustainable development in the ground. we need climate resilient crops as well as structures that make sense. but this is not a situation that pakistan is new to it is suffered, this kind of thing before. why hasn't this being done before? why hasn't actually been done before sustainable planning not been done very well both because as i say, the situation in pakistan is to a certain extent not new despite the fact that this is on an unprecedented scale. the one would imagine that some effort would have been made to bring in the methods that shirley rodman is talking about. and yet she seems to be suggesting that there
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is taking something like this to put the thought into people's heads. what she was suggesting is focused on needs to constantly sort of prepare for it and adapt to climate change, which is something we are doing to the best of our abilities. but at this point, i think now the bushes come to shove, i really must say it out loud beyond really responsible for climate change. walker son is and we're just on the receiving end of it impacts really and which is why the, let's have because feeling so personal to us because of the quantity of less than 0.8 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions. that's literally negligible. and yet look at what's happening, they've lost more than a 1000 lives since june. 33000000 people are affected one and 7 part to signing, to sleeping outside in the open. and literally house is livelihood. life store is more than almost 800000 livestock have died and like we've been talking
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about, i'll reiterate, i don't think we could have prepared for the slides. i think what we could have done is maybe we could have had better early warning systems. maybe we could have had an evacuation plans ready and yes, i think that is a it's bull calculation on the part of the provincial disaster management authorities and the national disaster management authority. however, if, if you'd like me to talk a little about what box that is doing, the climate change to be, i want to stress the, i'm doing whatever we can with, you know, with the political instability and economic instability and the kind of population we have in the 5th most populated country in the world, sometimes for the government time it changes on the back burner. it shouldn't be. i'm definitely not saying it should be, but it does happen and it just sort of slides to the back. but we are investing in making climate resilient, or, or other water climate resiliency, so to speak. so to speak, drops that will grow in the line for interrupting you because i want to pick up on
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something that you have talked about. i want to ask a lot about the sarah is making the points that, that has been recorded in several places that pakistan's a contribution to global global climate change is actually percentage wise. very, very small. why is it, do you think that other governments of other countries which produce more of an impact and on the climate seem or if not unwilling been certain, not in a position to be able to help pakistan in situations like this or in the preparation of situations like this because pakistan is having a minimal impact on there having a more significant impact. one would have thought the burden should have responsibilities. you'd actually live with them. so i was also very much and then she is completely a 100 percent correct. when we talk about terms of, in terms of just to give you an idea, then if you put the entire population of australia on one side and you look in just
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the people affected, we are more effective. and when talking about the sponsibility august, sun is beating the brand before august at $1.00 degrees. dr. rich and me and average was about one degree increase. now you went to 0 point, one degree increase means for august time on some back and can change. it will switch its existing form centuries ago, but for just a little bit of every change. so this is what we did talking about about the emissions off the entire globe have to come down and maybe when $1.00 degrees is untenable for what happens at that point at 3 are going to touch 1.5, which is the goal and bit these net targeted by for 20, for 2 targets for the countries that it is an accepted norm that we're going to leverage at 1.5 or even exceed dot will mean for millions of people in buckets. i'm
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confused, there will be no shelter. they will have to accurate and when you talk about recreation lines and everything will do countries like by the sun, you 33000000 people, there's the, it's not possible. simply not feasible for countries like us, bad for such a big, big, big calamity. it's, of course, when it's failure, when we talk, what being will it, it will all being among the top most, most women are preparedness, part of it is go in and part of it is the capacity investments in resilience. but it also does not have the resources, we would spend those resources if we had none of those resources are available to us or have been provided since the purchase agreement. i want to bring you forgive me for interrupting you, but i want to bring inside because she was anxious to make a point that yeah, i just wanted, i just wanted to build
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a little more on what dollar thing is. absolutely right. but i think what the more important thing right now is like he's saying we are going to be this part of the world, global salt and the subcontinent, even bungler pockets on a lot of fun. we're going to be experiencing very high temperatures. if climate change is in control or other will be warming isn't controlled, and that means more exacerbated floods. that means we will be get, we will be seeing floods maybe worse than these ones. and what's the double, what really needs to do? and i would like to dine with you're going to, why show you them on really has the way the government hasn't prepared the climate change? i think it's like in an absolutely essential that we start preparing now today as for, you know, for flood that will be less than what we're seeing right now. these are the last and the 2010. so the next slide could i want to bring in here because he's quite anxious to make appoint. let me just ask you, peter a given the scale of everything that we have been talking about, are you concerned that organizations like yours will simply reach
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a point where they cannot cope? really? it's difficult to say, i think so far, we have been able to go over the many years that we do exist in each and every time we do add up to the situation. and that is what we have to be assuming. organizations, we have to be flexible. i have to adapt to the duration. yes. you can see then then i'll start out for the 2 to erase is getting worse. 20. 2010. make up? last 10 to 20. 22. it's more towards what is going to be next thing can we do with it? and at the same time, we also have to see like $22.00 slots. now today, content of time when we, the people and the communists were already very valuable. we had, we went to the whole coffee and then we put a economical burden to everybody, to government, but to the people that us out. so people off hon already so it isn't adding up to and yet always on the reaching on that we cannot do it. well,
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i do not think so. we know the guy be working in that sector. we always manage to deal with it. it's an effort, but we do, we do do it. and also we are getting better to certain extent because technology will help us better. we can do more with less that we did earlier on what the point that i want to make up the discussion of like climate change and up focused on actually, you know, but has to be burdened of the whole climate change and disasters. the impact of it, i think instead of pointing fingers, yes we have to do with dr. has to be have to go to the rest of the level. you have to do more, stop it. but i think what you have to do now with these floss? 2010. compare what have you done in 2010. how did you cope with the 2010 for how do we go to 2022 plots. what have you learned from 2010 to 22? how do we can, how can we do better? and i do believe in my colleagues here in the office that have been very much you
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bought in the 2010 slots. we have learned a lot. we have actually have a better system in place to respond and to actually keep their i'm very sorry, i'm going to have to ask you to stop them. afraid we have run out of time, but i appreciate you very much for being with us. thank you to all our guests, our boss thought of hired, and peter often thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is out. asia inside story for me, robots, and the whole team here. to bye for now. the me. ah.
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