which is mind, what villa premier i voted for both narrow in 2018 because i was sick of corrupt governments. i'd be open for him again. vanessa lose some process. she supported lula in still does air for kiss easy. she's seen movie, i would prefer a 3rd opinion between lula and both scenario. but since we have none, i'll vote for lula, because i know his government has favorite to poor, and we are now struggling to put food on the table. she also not as trilling lula in all of the polls, both men will have to win more than half of the valid votes cast to be elected president during the 1st round on october. second, if not, the election will go were run off on october 30th. monica inactive, ultra 0, rio de janeiro. ah, this is al jazeera, these, your top stories. com is returning to the iraqi capital. a supporters of the shiite

leader, mckuddle solder had started leaving our dad's green zone. he gave his support as an ultimatum to end their demonstration, which tan violet on monday. a nationwide curfew has now been lifted. fierce fighting erupted off to solder, announced he was quitting politics and for 2 days his support. his battle with iraqi security forces high secures green zone was hit i. several rockets, fuels have now been held for some of the victims of the violence. at least 30 people died since monday, 700 were injured by made a bill why heat has moved from baghdad. father himself has just in his speech condemned to do those involved in the military confrontations. those were engaging in the violence, this owning all these, as he calls it, a disorganized toyota actions. he has his water and his supporters, if they do not carry out his wishes by, was throwing immediate refrain from the violence,

then they will not be belonging him anymore. or he will be disowning them. humanitarian organizations in pakistan are struggling to get aid to more than 33000000 people affected by the west floods. in decades, roads and bridges happened washed away and where, where line submerged. a flight arrived from turkey and the u. e. and the us has launched an appeal for a $160000000.00. and 1100 people have died since monsoon rains began in june. can you supreme court is holding a pre trial hearings outlined the process, the legal challenge into the results of the election held earlier this month when richard was declared the winner, his rival, rollo dingo says the commission system was hacked and wants to recount ukraine has launched a counter offensive against russian forces in the south to retake the cast on region. the government says its troops have broken through russian defences on the

front line, forcing units to retreat. ok, those headlines nice continues here in our desert inside story. ah. ah, pakistan suffers from the worst floods in more than a decade, at least a 1000 people have died in 2 months of torrential monsoon range. how much is climate change to blame and can the country cope with the resulting humanitarian crisis? this is inside story. ah

ah ah hello and welcome to the program. i am rob matheson that although monsoon baines are an annual occurrence in pakistan, this year's deluge has caused the most destructive floods in most people's memories . some provinces have received more than 5 times the average rainfall since june. the climate change minister sherry herman as called it a climate induced humanitarian disaster of epic proportions. she says more than a 3rd of the country could still be submerged after the monster monsoon season ends . more than 1000. busy 100 people have died. 15 percent of the population is affected. half a 1000000 homes have be damaged or swept away. bridges and roads are destroyed. and people who are running out of food and drinking water come all hide has more from the swat district in northern pakistan. it is da da da da like a rich boggart on had not haine before. we've been talking to people in the

affected area who think this may be 4 times worse than the great did, den flood, which affected over 20000000 people across the country. and although the flag now boarded the grave today, the southern pan job and the province of sin, many key areas of upper swat and baluchistan got off from the outside world. and because the roads and bridges have been swept away by the agent gardens, it is going to be a difficult job to try to get relief, an aide into the affected area, bug a star needs head. and it needs that fought. although the international community has started sending much needed aid, it will take time to get it to the affected area of gosh, bug, a standard need to do a mall when it comes to coping with such crisis. and although people may be thinking that the government will come today, aid so father complaining that it didn't only the little girl who was helping their

fellow citizens. this is indeed a catastrophe of biblical proportions. and buckets don will need help thought it has come. i'll hide therefore inside story provinces in the south are bracing for more flooding. as water flows down from the mountainous areas in the north. foreign aid has started to arrive, but the government says it needs boar funds. xandra shopping reports from the city of soho and the southern sind province. along with a rising death toll, there are a countless number of people who have been injured in these floods. there are countless number of people who are suffering from water and born water born illnesses and all kinds of skin diseases. and there are countless displaced by the flood waters that have been wreaking havoc across pakistan. now here and since province, one of the worst effected where humanitarian relief 8 is the most needed, where the highest number of people have died and continue to suffer from this

crisis. while there is help coming while there are international aid packages in airplanes arriving with much ne, today, it's not coming quickly enough. a lot of people that we've met here say that they cannot wait by the side of the road for help, that they cannot wait and possibly die before any help arrives. they're packing up, they're moving into places like succor, like other larger population centers. and they are looking for help them, so they say the least they can do is pick up some kind of manual labor, some kind of work so they can earn a little bit of money to feed their children. people truly hungry people truly thirsty and they say they feel like they're on the brink of death. so the circumstances here are very serious here in sucker at the edge of the in this river, it is clear that the river is getting bigger. the water is flowing and the river is swelling, and the waters from the north are headed this way. so the worry for people here in in province now is what will arrive 1st, the humanitarian relief that they desperately need to stay alive or more flood

waters. vain basra v for inside story. ah ok, let's bring in our guests in law. we have our bodies and environment policy analyst also in the hold is a hired, she's a lawyer, specializing in climate change policy. and in islam about peter, paul, who's the head of international federation of red crossman present societies in pakistan, a warm welcome to you. well peter, i want to start with you. i know that you've worked in several different countries dealing with situations like this in preparation for them. how does this situation pakistan compare with what you've seen before? well, no, thank you so much for having me on the, on the program. yes, indeed, i have been working for the rest process present for a long time. the situation we see here and i would say over the dentist, we have been working in many flood operational group preparations. the plots here are really devastating and for study. people were clearly not

prepared. i would say for such a thing, nobody can be prepared for such weather and and the impact is it's huge. it's huge . this is something that we will see for a very long time to call the situation. it's very diary dot pakistan has faced severe floods before it's had extreme weather on both sides of the scale. if you like. this is something significantly different. what is different this time? well, for starters, i'm one of the significant things that we've seen is change in the patterns of the month of this, or the last 4 years or more and soon as shifted to so the country and increase in rainfall doctrines with a natural green. it does not allow the water to go out, it just accumulates this massive area is about 10 percent of the country. and this

is specifically for the south of the country. but 10 percent of the entire line of the country is under water. so it's significant, it's a what is being said is that it's similar to the last 2010 super flat. but in terms of the concentration of issues, it's lives in south of the country. so even if pakistan and the authorities had enough warning of what was coming is a really much that they could have done to try to ameliorate the situation and at least ease it for some people. i know, i don't think i think there's a knee jerk reaction to sort of start raining the government when something like this happens. but the clock is on the kind of sites that they're experiencing. even though we had warning that floods were coming and i had some level, perhaps the government was also preparing for it. but i don't think we could have prepared for what we're seeing right now. especially like, because like the other, say, the monsoon rains have been unprecedented. me experienced,

generally bucks time gets about 4 cycles, 3 to 4 cycles, a monsoon rains and this time the getting around it. and you're probably going to get more also. and that said, so, and there bunch of reasons why, but why, if not so extreme this time, and i do think the government could really have prepared for this kind of catastrophe and destruction. you say that there's a bunch of reasons. can you just run through what those reasons might be in addition, as you said, to the climate change that has been experienced? yeah, absolutely. so think of it like a pyramid, if you found of reasons. and the foundational reason i'd say is climate change with climate change with global warming, your clouds, your clowns can hold more water vapor. which means that when the leak is torrential rain and which is why there's more erotic rainfall and spread across and it spread across larger regions this time. and then of course, changing with the pattern because of climate change,

which means more monsoon rains motor and shield rain. and then we have glaciers of pakistan on this region of the of the world. we host the 3rd largest glacial ice mass in the world after the north and south poles and the climate change. because glaciers are melting and receding. we're seeing a lot of flash floods. we're seeing a lot of glacial lake outburst plugs and all that water is coming down south into the country and then on top of that. and so, so this is the 1st layer would be climate change amongst the causes. the 2nd i'd say, would be poor developmental planning, and i believe we are to blame entirely for that really. we've been making. we've been building, we've been constructing on river banks. the river shoulders basically just obstructing the natural flow of water. and more and nature will win in the end, and that's what's happening. so the kind of destruction that we're experiencing is part and parcel because of poorer development planning because of permits to build

in areas or in that are sensitive to flight. there's been a lot of bombing on flood plains that shouldn't have been there to begin with. and then other reasons for the impact of these kind of slides. i of course, governance challenge is a constant sort of strife between the center that this law and brought in say isn't who's going to be responsible? and a lot of sort of the it seems like there's a lot of government departments to keep shifting burden to other government loans and for short responsibility. i think that has done a lot to hom, enjoy relief effort. and in better end for the preparation of flood. and that said, the political instability over the last couple of months in buckets on has definitely definitely exacerbated the situation. florida, the nation was, has been saw by between the political sort of has been thought if i did so

polarized between political thought is and the upcoming general elections. but our priorities were made maybe, and i say this is a huge maybe, but maybe had been more aligned to be prepared. but these are the monsoon, usually is vital for agriculture and the growth of crops and the income of course, from millions of farmers. given that the scale of what we've been seeing, how much of an economic impact impact is, is going to have on the farming community in pakistan, which of course is, is one of the key elements of the country's economy. initial estimates be intuitively picture. there are a $1000000000.00 worth of crop losses. nearly a 1000000000 when you 1000000000 more when you consider livestock and dr. lawson because those are key and what's the key ownership within the farming communities? and then of course, the crop of standing. it's not just that's been damaged for the next 3 to 4 months

. this is the period when the wheat crop is in the same problem. the prop song which is been harvested in february and march, that won't be done. this will be possible to be at the land by then there's a cycle for the short green croppers. the cotton crop is a big, big need for the country because it extend manufacturing country is used, steps that need that crop will not have to import that as well. so when you put all of that together along with infrastructure loss in homes or bridges, the minimum initial assessment is $5000000000.00. and this is just immediate damage when you think in terms of the ability issue and they think in terms of getting these lines in order getting the existing can i asked them to work because it's been, it's been badly damaged as well. but we have dikes being broken when you are in

places and i just have been up to the small downs i've been so it will be a long while. and just to give you a sort of estimate from 2010, when it didn't rain this much, it was largely rain plus the estimate or the end. we'd want to plug commissioner boom and came ahead with was $40000000000.00 worth of balls. so it was already mentioned political isis, and it's also in the situation where the economy has been going really we look around and all of that together is becoming a big, big problem to look at the near future pizza. i want to ask you about the amount of responsibility that organizations like yours are behind having to carry in this situation. because thought it was making the point earlier that nobody could have been prepared for the scale of what was happening. least of all the government. although, but whether or not they actually knew it was coming, how much of

a burden is falling on organizations like yours compared to the level of response that you're seeing from government organizations? no, i would. i wouldn't really call it because i think about it is very negative, where it is about what we do. human actors and organizations is what can we government work of the communities to make sure that people are better prepared for it. so and that, that is our role. yes, of course we would rather do all the development programs of course, because that would mean that actually everything works perfect. but it is that the prepare is not. we are working with the community that we also work with the government. what to do at the disaster, which reduction what to do in case of a disaster. how do you strong? for example, how do you do 1st aid every rather than 1st aid, but also like if there's a lot, what is the direction that you have to do? how do you get to higher ground? it is earthquakes. what about do you do?

so i didn't get the role that we play and again, and there's nothing to do with people are prepared or not prepared of this. mike lee funnel members also set d off on visit dentist. there's nothing you can do about it. it's, and it is indeed a combination of rain and the warming of the earth and the melting of the eyes on the glacier. so it is a combination off, but we are human actors, human organizations are there to assist and we do that whatever it is. so now for the, for the crops be said lots of crops have been lost areas of to, you know, data and it will take a long time. it might take weeks, months before old water has receded, and that means that the crops are completely lost. so what we do after the cost of at present is actually coming in to us is to people as well in the livelihoods in our field that we just launched. for markets down. we do have gosh components,

and it actually is to assist people in their livelihood to start small businesses, to buy tools, to buy seats on the moon that the water has receded that they can start planting again. of course we getting towards the winter now, but we how could it be kind of what we can do. so i referred earlier to the climate change minister sherry for i'm and she's also been quarter to saying we need better planning and sustainable development in the ground. we need climate resilient crops as one of the structures. that makes sense, but this is not a situation that pakistan is new to it is suffered, this kind of thing before. why hasn't this been done before? why hasn't actually been done before sustainable planning not been done? well, both the effort would have been made to bring in the methods that shirley rodman is talking about. and yet she seems to be suggesting that there is taken something like this to put the thought into people's heads. what she was suggesting is that focused on needs to constantly sort of prepare for an adapt to climate change,

which is something we're doing to the best of our abilities. but at this point, i think now that bush has gone to shove, i really must say it out loud. beyond really responsible for climate change. walk is done isn't very just on the receiving end of the impact really. and we just why these lots of because i feeling so boss know to us because of the point of view less than 0.8 percent to build the greenhouse gas emissions that's literally negligible. and yet look at what's happening. they've lost more than a 1000 life since june. 23000000 people are affected, one in 70 bucks, signing to sleeping outside in the oakland. and literally house is livelihood. life story is more than one was 800000 livestock have died. and like we've been talking about, i'll reiterate, i don't think we could have prepared for the slides. i think what we could have done is maybe we could have had better early warning systems. maybe we could have had an evacuation plans ready. and yes, i think that is a, a,

it's a calculation on the part of the provincial disaster management authorities and the national disaster management authority. however, if you me to talk a little about what is due in the climate change be i, i want to stress the, i'm doing whatever we can with, you know, will be the political instability and economic instability and the kind of population we have in the 5th most populated country in the world sometimes, but the government climate change is on the back burner. it shouldn't be. i'm definitely not saying it should be, but it does happen. it just slides to the back, but we are investing in making climate resilient or rather what i'm interested in the go to space, so to speak up that will grow in the line. so forgive me for interrupting you because i want to pick up and something that you have talked about. i want to ask a lot about the sarah as making the points that that has been recorded in several places that pakistan's a contribution to global global climate change is actually percentage wise. very,

very small. why is it, do you think that other governments of other countries which produce more of an impact in on the climate seem or if not unwilling, then certainly i am not in a position to be able to help pakistan in situations like this or in the preparation of situations like this because of pakistan's having a minimal impact on their having a more significant impact. one would have thought the burden should out of responsibility should actually lie with them. so i was also get on the message to ms and she's completely a 100 percent correct. that is very personal when we talk about terms of in terms of in but just to give you an idea, then that if you didn't, our population of australia on one side and you look and just the people effectively are more effective right now. and when talking about responsibility

focused on is getting the brunt of all of this at only $1.00 degrees, that's a rich and independent bank land mean the average was about one degree increase, not even a 0 point. one degree increase means august on the dime, once we can change it will switch its existing form centuries ago, but for just a little bit of every change. so this is what we did talking about about the emissions off the entire globe. have to come down and maybe one month when 5 degrees is untenable for bucks. but what happens at that point at 3 are going to touch $1.00, bitches. the goal and bit these net gets into the goal by for when the computer gets for the countries that it is. and it's been norm that they're going to leverage 1.5 or even exceed dot will mean that for millions of people and there will be no shelter. they will have to vacuum. and when we talk about

recreation lines and everything, we do countries like by the sun to 33000000 people. there's the, it's not possible. simply not feasible for countries like us, bad for such a big, big, big calamity. it's, of course, when it's failure, when you talk, what about the time being will it, it will or being among the top most most when it i've, it's preparedness part of it is go in and part of it is the capacity, investments and resilience. but it simply does not have the resources, we would spend those resources if we had none of those resources are available to us or have been provided since the purchase agreement. i want to forgive me for interrupting you, but i want to bring inside because she was anxious to make a point that yeah, i just wanted to i, i just wanted to build a little more on what dollar thing is. absolutely right. but i think what the more important thing right now is like he's saying, we are going to be this part of the world, global salt and the subcontinent,

even bungler. the in the us on a lot of fun, we're going to be experiencing very high temperatures. if climate change is in control or other will be warming isn't controlled, and that means more exacerbated floods. that means we will be get, we will be seeing flood, maybe worse than these ones. and what the double, what really needs to do. and i would like to dine with your going to, why show you them on really has the way the government hasn't prepared the climate change. i think it's bought in an absolutely essential that we start preparing now today as for, you know, for flood that will be less than what we're seeing right now. these are the less than the 2010. so the next slide could i want to bring in here because he's quite anxious to make appoint. let me just ask you, peter a given the scale of everything that we have been talking about, are you concerned that organizations like yours both simply reach a point where they cannot cope? really? it's difficult to say, i think so far, we have been able to go over the many years that we do exist in each and every time

we do add up to the situation. and that is what we have to be assuming. organizations, we have to be flexible, have to adapt to the duration. yes, you can see then then i'll also set the 2 to erase is getting worse. 202010. make up lots and 2022 lot. it's more towards what is going to be next thing can we do with it? and at the same time, we also have to see like $22.00 slots. now today, content of time when we, the people and the communities were already very valuable. we had, we went to the whole coffee and then we put a economical burden to everybody, to government, but to the people that us out. so people off hon already so it isn't adding up to and yet always on the reaching on that we cannot do it. well, i do not think so. we know the, i'll be working in new met and sector. we always manage to deal with it. it's an effort, but we do,

we do do it. and also we are getting better to certain extent because technology will help us better. we can do more with less that we did earlier on what the point that i want to make up the discussion of like climate change and up focused on actually, you know, but has to be burdened of the whole climate change and disasters. the impact of it, i think instead of pointing fingers, yes we have to do with dr. has to be have to go to the rest of the level. you have to do more, stop it. but i think what you have to do now with these floss? 2010. compare what have you done in 2010. how do you cope with the 2010? 14 to 20. 22 plots. what have you learned from 2010 to 22. how do we can, how can we do better? and i do believe in my colleagues here in the office that have been very much you bought in the 2010 slots. we have learned a lot. we have actually have a better system in place to respond and to actually keep their i'm very sorry,

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