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hello, very welcome to the program, i'm nick lot. so after days of violent protests and fighting shiite leader, mac tighter, all cyber has cooled on his supporters to leave bagdad screens. and the unrest was triggered by him announcing that he's quitting politics. they battled iraqi security forces and rival shiite fractions. net government, buildings and embassies, dozens of people were killed. cider is one of iraq's most important figures, wielding enormous influence over many aspects of public life. he denies any involvement in the violence. norbert manley has this report. after 2 days of violence, bugged doubts heavily fortified. green soon is emptying of protesters. a sharp contrast to earlier scenes with violence broke out on
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monday, when powerful she eyed lead and walked out of florida an ounce. he would quit politics a day later, he apologized and closed on his supporters to stand down and go home with his. i'm the guy now, but i'm not emily's yet. what? the on the i'm, we're not committees. you have to walk. there were some brutal militias, but the satirist shouldn't be vulgar. i still believe them. my supporters are disciplined. that's why if you don't withdraw from the parliament within 60 minutes, i am not going to be the solder is movement leader again, a moment. i don't even want you to stage a peaceful demonstration. ah, it's not the 1st time saw the supporters have boost their way into the presidential compound. they've been demonstrating. maam, this is a political rivalry between 2 different parties. are sides of the spectrum one side
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and trying to maintain the consensus agreement of the consultation of democracy. impulse 2003 iraq and the other side which is a sundress movement, trying to are revamped the political system in iraq. his party won the most parliament seats in elections in october, but failed to form a majority coalition. thought it may have told his supporters to stand down, but with such intense rivalry at the heart of a rocky politics, there are fears. it's only a matter of time before chaos and bloodshed is repeated. nor about manly for inside story. out his era, well noted, or else out, a rose to prominence after the end of saddam hussein's leadership back in 2003. he's against any foreign interference in iraqi politics and supporters, mainly hail from the poorest sectors of society. who being historically shut out of the political, says. so as movement one,
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the may seats in parliamentary elections in october 2021 eclipsing rival. she political parties, backed by iran, but after months of failing to form a government, satta ordered his m p to resign. in june, a month later, his supporters occupied parliament and demanded the removal of what they call corrupt politician. ah, so let's bring in august and by dad we have, i'm at the senior foreign policy advisor to the iraqi parliament and the director of house of iraqi expertise on vacation in washington. d. c. belong will help wagner fellow at the washington institute and former faculty member at the american university of iraq, soon of money and into high is they done? can nanny, a non resident fellow at the arab center, washington, d. c and a middle east political analyst, who we've just heard from in laura's report was welcome gentlemen to you all honesty, i'd like to stop. do you 1st?
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so what do you think's been going on here in the past 24 hours or so? how do you sess, the events that we've been seeing unfolding and well, it's always the same call. what happened. busy the october elections and adults that have been announced about the seeds and they don't. busy and the same actually have the minority inside the iraq on them. and when another a triple lion tossing between one and 2 then becomes c, which we can get a d b eventually have the majority inside the problem. and so at that time they had the majority inside the parliament, they have a problem as a prime minister. was also supposed to have the speaker was also in the alliance
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and also his vice packages also. so it's all happened that the real majority on what they called our national majority control the country and to try to manage to have a question to elect the president than the president should nominate the biggest law and order them to nominate the prime minister. eventually it didn't happen on bus white because the coordination of frame actually stop any action for the polymer. and they asked for. busy that the solution will be fall a month and before i leave that, okay. let me just see, i just want to move it on because it is a lot of background is not it's very complex, but we try and simplify. we can, they don't said child sanda would have been aware what was likely to happen when he
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had mounts his resignation. and the violence that would follow wouldn't be. well, it depends on the speculation that we're trying to observe here. there are speculations, claiming that the resignation or the public announcement of that to politically resign was as and direct way or an attempt to escape any accountability from the following actions that would be conducted by the address movement and particularity, and regards to set, which are the on doing off the federal movement. however, now after the most recent speech by father, where he denounces any violent actions or any violent involvement by saddam and the recent clashes between them and the armed doings of the political parties within the coordination framework that speculation and that has been countered and contradicted. c what i'm trying to get out, what is,
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what is he achieved by doing what he's done? well, so far, he has achieved an rhetoric battle, which is an overarching battle that he has been trying to conduct for many years about as the reform revolution sentiment, practicing against the political class, despite as right for the mentioned by your guests, despite being a major member of the same political class through various cabinet, some parliament. i wonder what the thing that might seem that he has directly achieved from withdrawing and self from the classes have been taken place recently . that he is seen as the man or the strong man who decided to pause or turn off the classes that were taking place for the betterment of the people safety . right. okay. so then below this is it a tactical resignation that he will walk back from?
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do you think your and he has this is not the 1st time that others threatens wouldn't and resignation. and definitely not the last time that the, you're an amazon, that kind of promised it was only yesterday that you resigned them. today. we seem very active issuing edicts. when i quit and politics isn't cordial nature. he's still saying his quitting politics isn't right, but again, he's a master of his, he's a word smith. so today, for example, he, he edited what he meant or he interpreted his own statement as his resignation is not a full resignation from, from politics. and again, this is not the 1st time that he doesn't use them in the past. in the past. sometimes he's even disappeared for months. at one point he was even living in iran, but that doesn't mean that others can just pack up and go. he has significant
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influence and maybe even bigger ambitions. ok, i would wish to hear before we get into what happens next or what the next move is . let's just give yourselves a bit of context. so this whole political system in iraq was created by the u. s. and it's our lives after view us led invasion and here we are. 17 years later in a state of continued political paralysis. why is it that the political system has not worked? because it's based on issues and try to separate the country in a way that you should have the power of the political power should come power in the hands of the majority and the others should not participated in a way or another. this is for secondly, i think the most simple to achievements that say it has or but the game is the postpone the declaration of the for the cross resolution about the just hoping of
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the father much and according to my knowledge, it's always like that said, the always with a draw out that he will gain what she wants. now. busy what that now the people say to me is that from political agreement happened yesterday, or let's say today at the early morning headed by them the even in the when another to contrast, look that up that he could take something. 3 and he would don't sports so eventually for the always doing something like that, he knows how to explain the way he actually made a peaceful demonstration and surrounded the parliament that he went to the judiciary system and try to he actually drove and at the end you actually put a huge pressure yesterday on the,
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on the judiciary system and ending with the. busy that the job, they are a decision which means that it will negative for said most of the same time it looks like that is a political agreement happen between. busy the purpose opponents would, would be, which is headed by that much. it looks like that. ok, i think dad's of the say we know exactly what's happened and those 24 hours. all right. i'm and risky. does that mean the next stop? it's more elections. well, it means that the conflict will stay there. that does not mean it will end. what we saw yesterday. that's what i think it's in the beginning, off the rail military power of everyone. if it's not the end of conflict where we had to, is there a chance for all our civil war? civil war means we are expecting a nation wide conflict,
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which involves at least most of the country's various communities and political goods. it is very clear that this is a political why believe between the very 2 prominent rivals within the interest, the political dispute has been going on for months. as rightfully mentioned by your guest over the political or political deadlock over who will name the prime minister. people and observers have been warning about the, the arms confrontation that could break out out of the political deadlock that has been driven by the sledges movement and the coordination framework. but as previous dimension was the announcement of the. busy claiming that he does not favor and will not support any violence as particularly violence coming out of his very own movements side to continue this conflict will not be praised by him or supported by
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him. that in itself should reflect towards some stability and calmness and within the next few hours, if not within the next few days. however, it seems like the political process that has been preventing the country from witnessing a governmental formation will continue if not worse, than below. what if it's clear that the political system doesn't work, and i think we need any more proof that that's the case. the political system has to change, but how hard will it be to move to a different different type of constitution, different type of political system. i think what you said reflects the public sentiment in iraq, both at the street level as well as the elite level that this posted on system of sectarian ism, has run its course. and i think in part where we see is a, basically a she,
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her effort to consolidate power. now that they have coward and cornered the sunni and the kurdish communities in to the sidelines. in the past, the securian system was for the 3 communities to come together and somehow balanced the power, but the sunni areas have for a while been under ice control and now they are the ground at least being held by malicious. and of course, the kurdistan region is probably the, the main western ally in iraq has also been marked by internal division on one hand effort by the 2 main political parties for basically using the rest within the she, i house for domination at home. so the shop parties basically see, see an opportunity maybe for the 1st time to dominate all of the ra, to roll back the centralization and federalism. and now it's down to who of the 2
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main shack camps is going to control the power in iraq. and i think this is also iraqi agency at display because impass episodes and post election episode, the united states and iran were the 2 major powers that not iraq into different directions. but now i think the united states is somehow missing in action, despite having helped a very successful election. but they largely disengaged after the election. and iran also doesn't want to really agitate, because i think both washington and ron, i'm returning to the nuclear deal. and i think the result, whether it's other or malley key, the collision for work or the or the other is current and going to be in power for iran. somehow it's bread will will remain buttered. so this is unfortunately rocky agency and display, but they are really playing with fire. but i think also this conflict. the reason why we can see these brinkman ship happening is because in
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a way the international community to factors to international factors are subsidizing this conflict. one is high will prices, which in a way is appeasing the society because that is enough of a trickle down economics that's going down to the public. and i think the other is the into, i says, international coalition, that's at least getting rid of one problem that allows, provides a little bit of a space for the, for the politicians to do this kind of bring membership that got really vile in yesterday. and as possible to escalate further, or maybe my hope is that we reach the peak and then from now one will be headed toward more de escalation, be it having early elections or maybe even looking at constitutional amendments which, which is the issue that a lot of people talk about but i'm not sure that this kind of can situation is when you want to do a constitutional revisionism. rusty constitutional amendments is, is that possible in this current clara?
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well, it depends. it depends on the. busy political agreement that it should be happens those days and i don't think there will be some sort of in a way or another. maybe there will be some sort of agreement about. busy the. busy busy the election, they the dissolution of the parliament they and also the most important thing is that the electoral law and the luck to the committee, which is the most important thing i think for the to do to work on, on these, on these issues. again, i think there are some sort of political agreement fact agreement happened yesterday. all what we saw today from said is already has some sort of for roadmap. i've played, i've played out, then go to the media and say ok guys,
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it's not my problem. now. we should stop that after making some political interest that it's supposed to be in a way to re get more seats and then in action that i think actually looking for $100.00 seats and there are bids aiden. if we are heading for early elections, isn't it just very likely that we can get exactly the same results as you had in the past to which is just division and they process forward at all. and especially given the in the last election, nothing is what 43 percent turn out. it's not likely to be anything more than that next time around is that people are just not engaged in the political system in iraq. absolutely. and that is that the core of the objectives and the discourse from the protest movement that they were focusing on. reviving or re establishing a new political system and not producing were presenting new elections, would have the same influences and powers of the same political interest groups,
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political parties that will end up finding their way around to negotiate the government following the elections, which is very similar to what the coordination of framework has been trying to do with allies across the spectrum by creating a consensus, the government and ignores the world performance that took place during the elections. again, going back to the demands of the ordinary rocky citizen since the out rate that the focus absorber. 2019. until now the focus has been way wider and way more overarching and bigger than just trying to. and next a new government. the focus has been de, right, so the mentioned on, on, on finding new solutions to amend the constitution, finding new ways to not allow political parties or individuals that have been involved in the previous corruption allegations that have been exposed in so many different social and online campaigns by various activists and g o z
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for the past few years. therefore, the thing that people are hoping to witness in iraq is as a new political change, that wouldn't involve the same political parties that have been driving and determining this political system. even if we were to expect a constitution remaking or rewriting, we might even go back to the same problem or to the same problems and issues we faced during the making or the writing of the current constitution and the early stages of the invasion. you still have many of the prominent political figures and parties and interest groups that were involved or at the present, or was in direct the playing a vital role in writing some of the problematic articles and clauses and the constitution. most notably, the clauses or the articles that were in one way or another paving the way for the
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ethnic 6th period for the ethnic secretary and quote, the distribution which prevented technocratic and independent and qualified, the makers or politicians to gain the positions based on a roadmap or a program that benefits the country and the long term and not to benefit the interest for the securing discourse that is utilized and exploited by the political party. you make very interesting point about just you mentioned the ordinary iraqi citizen below. in these, this political vacuum that the countries experiencing the economy and people's lives are suffering and all the while you have this, this sort of unseemly struggle between what seems to me to be an increasingly popular elite. just tell us a little bit about briefly if you would about how it is for the ordinary iraqi citizen living, interact with this political vacuum. we saw the public grievance and utter disappointments in the political leadership in the protest movement of 2019
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which was a truly of indigenous and popular uprising not targeted at one single group or park your sac. but as the entirety of the system, a system that has failed to translate some $10000000000.00 amount of oil revenues into economic prosperity actually even even to deride that he poverty, let alone prosperity creating jobs while you know that they the righty political system because of the competitive nature, every rocky citizen through the social media and the competitive t, v, screens know the size and the level and the name of every corrupt leader and the, the, the millions and billions that gets siphoned off out of the country. so the public grievance i think was a display and of course we also saw the,
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the viciousness of the system of the militias, of those in power. they killed 800 protesters in 2019 and wounded. you know, some 202-5000 of them just to clean to power. and again, what we see today is on the one hand solder who wants to dominate the political scene, the ever larger cake, thanks to high oil prices. and of course, the coordination framework that starting to hang on one is using populism. one is using the deep states. and of course the one factor that's absent is the public. and again, i think these, the colonel political lead is really playing with fire by ignoring the public, because in 2019 they were that they were peaceful protests. and again, the, you know, the ire of civil war that keeps, you know, coming, you know, it's always about this militia, is that militia, but i think the, every iraqi household has at least one or 2 guns. so the main threat,
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the main worry is when the public starts to rise up against both shyanne houses, you know, in a kind of a shakespearean with a curse in both houses. i think that is the serious moving forward given how, how aloof and how disregard being the kind of leadership are of the public. ok, where will you will watch very closely what happens in the coming days, weeks and months jumping. we'll have to leave it there. thanks very much indeed for joining us. i'm at rusty bella and zaid on al. can nanny thank you to for watching . you can see this program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversational twitter we are at ha, inside story for me mccloud. and the whole team here is 5. ah
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