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o opponent to you, the former president, a symbolic of the corruption, this blighted argentina for generations. they want to prevent her standing again for president in next year's elections. a sunday i thought he got out of him saying it will be historic for argentina. it's the 1st time a female president convicted for a fully proven corruption crime that it serve as an example for all of you all. now if we don't find it, it gives us hope that we still have justice margin tina, and this has only just begun. verdict on christina kitchener and the 12 other accused is expected lay to this year. whenever the outcome argentine will be divided by an increasingly bitter conflict, and so on the al jazeera, what osiris ah, i mullins, i eat and doe hall here headlines on al jazeera investigate is from the un nuclear
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watchdog have arrived at the ukrainian town was operation which is home to europe's largest nuclear power plant. they are expected to inspect the facility and crane and russia of accused each other of shelling around the nuclear facility, raising fears of a possible disaster. moving in to the cap on the front. you know, we have a very, very important there to perform, to a real situation there to help study life, to patient as much as we can. i am really conscious of the, the relevance of the moment. but we are ready to be ready. so we will be reporting back after after the mission. we're going to be spending a few days their pocket sounds full and the prime minister run. com is rived at
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court to face charges of contempt. he's also facing challenges on the b anti terrorism act. earlier hundreds of his supporters gathered outside comes home, vowing to protect him from arrest. prosecutors say con threatened police officers and a judge involved in the arrest of one of his aid. there's been another asteroid in mckelly, the capital of ethiopia, as northern to grow region fighting between government forces and rebels from to grow has now spread along the border. with su, done, the war ukraine has dominated talks between the foreign ministers, if iran and russia in moscow, the 2 sides have grown closer as both nations now subject to us sanctions to ron has refused to directly condemn moscow's invasion of ukraine. washington is accused the wrong of supplying russia with drones, a claim. teheran has denied the iran nuclear de, also featured in wednesday's meeting. the us justice department says it has
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evidence. the former president donald trump's team was holly's in classified files . his florida home. it also says his team was obstructing an investigation into whether he illegally removed top secret documents from the white house. if you had lines nice continuous here, not there out inside, sorry. ah . the racks powerful she i played a little tighter outsider analysis. he's quitting politics, miss triggers, violent protests and demands for new election. but is there another reason for side as announcement and can anything contain months of political unrest?
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this is inside story. ah hello, very welcome to the program, i'm nick lot. so after days of violent protests and fighting, she liked leda mac, todd, or al sabah, has called on his supporters to leave baghdad, screens. and the unrest was triggered by him announcing that he's quitting politics . they battled iraqi security forces and rival shiite fractions. net government buildings and embassies, dozens of people were killed. solder is one of iraq's most important figures, wielding enormous influence over many aspects of public life. he denies any involvement in the violence. norbert manly has this report. after 2 days of violence bugged outs, heavily fortified green zone is emptying of protesters. a
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sharp contrast to earliest scenes with violence broke out on monday when powerful she eyed lead and walked out of florida an ounce. he would quit politics a day later, he apologized and closed on his supporters to stand down and go home under kinda about and up emily's yet. what the on i'm one of committees jablonka. there were some brutal militias, but the satirist shouldn't be vulgar. i still believe them, my supporters are disciplined. that's why if you don't withdraw from the parliament within 60 minutes, i am not going to be the solder is movement leader again, mama, i don't even want you to stage a peaceful demonstration. ah, it's not the 1st time saudi supporters have all the way into the presidential compound. they've been demonstrating the mum this is
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a political rivalry between 2 different parties. are sides of the spectrum, one side and trying to maintain the consensus agreement of the con. so say tional, democracy and pulse, 2003, iraq and the other side which is a sundress movement, trying to are revamped the political system in iraq. his party won the most parliament seats in the elections in october, but failed to form a majority coalition. thought it may have told his supporters to stand down, but with such intense rivalry at the heart of rocky politics, their fears, it's only a matter of time before chaos and bloodshed is repeated, nor about manly for inside story out of their off. well, my daughter, i'll set a rose to prominence after the end of saddam hussein's leadership back in 2003. he's against any foreign interference in iraqi politics and supporters,
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mainly hail from the pers, sectors of society who being historically shot out of the political system. so as movement one, the may seats and parliamentary elections in october 2021 eclipsing rival. she political parties, backed by iran, but after months of failing to form a government, satta ordered his m p to resign. in june, a month later, his supporters occupied parliament and demanded the removal of what they call corrupt politician. ah, so let's bring in august and by dad we have, i'm at the senior foreign policy advisor to the iraqi parliament and the director of house of iraqi expertise. and they should, in washington, dc below our up wagner fellow at the washington institute and former faculty member at the american university of iraq. i see the money and into high as they done can nanny and non resident fellow at the arab center, washington dc, and a middle east political analyst,
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who we've just heard from laura's report was welcome gentlemen to you all honesty, i'd like to stop. do you 1st that so what do you think's been going on here in the past 24 hours or so. how do you sess, the events that we've been seeing unfolding and like that? well, it's always the same like half an hour. so the october elections that have been announced about the seeds and they don't. busy and you actually have the minority inside the iraqi parliament when another a triple a lion tossing between the subways and which is which would then become a k d b eventually have the majority inside the parliament. so at that time they had the
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majority inside the parliament, they have a carbon as a prime minister. was also supposed to have the speaker was also in the alliance and also his wife can belong also. so it's all happened that the real majority on what they called our national majority control the country and to try to manage to have a question to elect the president than the president should nominate the biggest law and order them to nominate the prime minister. eventually it didn't happen on bus white because the coordination of frame actually stop any action for the polymer. and they asked for. busy that the solution will be on the months and before i leave that, okay. i just want to move it on because it is a lot of background is not it's very complex, but we'll try and simplify. we can,
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they don't said child, sadder would have been aware what was likely to happen when he had mounts his resignation and the violence that would follow would need. well, it depends on the speculation that we're trying to observe here. there are speculations, claiming that the resignation or the public announcement of that to politically resign was as and direct way or an attempt to escape any accountability from the following actions that would be conducted by the address movement and particularity in regards to set, which are the on doing off the address movement, however, now after the most recent speech by father, where he denounces any violent actions or any violent involvement by saddam and the recent clashes between them and the armed wings of the political parties within the coordination framework that speculation and that has been countered and
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contradicted what i'm trying to get out. what is, what is he achieved by doing what he's done? well, so far, he has achieved an rhetoric battle, which is an overarching battle by he has been trying to conduct for many years. and that is the reform revolution sentiment that he's practicing against the political class, despite, as right for the mentioned by your guest, despite being a major member of a class through various cabinets in parliament, i wonder what the thing that might seem that he has directly achieved from withdrawing himself from the classes i've been taken place recently that he is seen as the man or the strong man who decided to pause or turn off the classes that were taking place for the betterment of the people safety. right. okay
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. so then below this is it a tactical resignation that he will walk back from? do you think your and he has? this is not the 1st time the other threatened resignation. and definitely not the last time that if you're an amazon, that kind of promised, it was only yesterday that you resigned them. today we see very active issuing edicts, and politics isn't cordial. nature who still saying his quitting politics isn't right? but again, he's a master of his, he's a word smith. so today for example, he, he edited what he meant already interpreted his own statement as his resignation is not a full resignation from politics. and again, this is not the 1st time that he doesn't use them in the past in the past. sometimes he's even disappeared for months. at one point he was even living in iran,
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but that doesn't mean that others can just pack up and go. he has significant influence and maybe even bigger ambitions. ok, i would wish to hear before we get into what happens next or what the next move is . let's just give ourselves a bit of context. so this whole political system in iraq was created by the u. s. and it's our lives after us led invasion and here we are. 17 years later in the state of continued political paralysis. why is it that the political system has not worked because it's based on. ready issues and try to separate the country in a way that you should have the problem, the political power. you should pull the political, our mobility and the others should not participate in a way or another. this is secondly, i think the most simple to achievements that say it has already the game is the
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postpone the declaration of the for the resolution about the just hoping of the fall and according to my knowledge, it's always like that said, the always with the draw outside, he will gain what she wants. now what that now the people saying to me is that some political, it even happened yesterday, or let's say today at the early morning headed by the the even in the when another to contrast look for that, that he could take something. 3 and he can with forces. so eventually the always doing something like that. he knows how to explain the way he actually made a peaceful demonstration and surrounded the parliament. then he went to the dictionary system and try to he actually would draw and at the end
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you actually put a huge pressure yesterday on the, on the judiciary system and ending with the. busy that job, they are a decision which means that it will negative for said most of the same time, it looks like that is a political agreement happen between the opponents would would be which is headed by the much it looks like that. okay, i think of that of the say we know exactly what's happened and those 24 hours. all right, rusty, does that mean the next up? it's more elections. well, it means that the conflict wallace tell you. it does not mean its will ends. what we saw yesterday, that's what i think it's is the beginning of the rail military power. busy of everyone, if it's not the end of conflict, where are we heading?
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is there a chance for all our civil war hit? civil war means we are expecting a nation wide conflict, which involves at least most of the country's various communities and political goods. it is very clear that this is a political why believe between the very 2 prominent rivals within the interest, the political dispute has been going on for months. as rightfully mentioned by your guest over the political state or political deadlock over who will name the prime minister. people and observers have been warning about the arm confrontation that could break out out of the political deadlock that has been driven by the sledges movement and the coordination framework. but as previous dimension was the announcement of the claiming that he does not favor and will not support any
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violence in particular, the violence coming out of his very own movements side to continue this conflict will not be praised by him or supported by him. that in itself should reflect towards some stability and calmness and within the next few hours, if not within the next few days. however, it seems like the political crisis that has been preventing the country from witnessing a governmental formation will continue if not worse, than below. what if it's clear that the political system doesn't work, and i think we need any more proof that that's the case. the political system has to change, but how hard will it be to move to a different different type of constitution, different type of political system. i think was you sent little slates the public sentiment in iraq, both at the street level as well as the elite level that this posted on system of sectarianism has run its course. and i think in part what we see is
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a, basically a she effort to consolidate power. now that they have coward and cornered the sunni and the kurdish communities in to the sidelines. in the past, the sicilian system was for the 3 communities to come together. and somehow balanced the power, but the sunni areas have for a while been in the ice is control and now they are the ground at least being held by malicious. and of course, the kurdistan region is probably the main western ally in iraq has also been marked by internal division on one hand effort by the 2 main political parties for basically using the rest within the she, i house for domination at home. so the, she, our parties basically see, see an opportunity maybe for the 1st time to dominate all of the ra,
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to roll back the centralization and federalism. and now it's down to who of the 2 main shack camps is going to control the power in iraq. and i think this is also iraqi agency at display because impass episodes and post election episode, the united states and iran were the 2 major powers that not iraq into different directions. but now i think the united states is somehow missing in action, despite having helped a very successful election. but they largely disengaged after the election. and iran also doesn't want to really agitate, because i think both washington and ron, i'm returning to nuclear deal. and i think the result, whether it's other o'malley key, the collision for work or the or, or the other is current and going to be in power for iran. somehow it's bread will, will remain buttered. so this is unfortunately right, the agency and display,
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but they are really playing with fire. but i think also this conflict. the reason why we can see these brinkman ship happening is because in a way the international community to factors to international factors are subsidizing this conflict. one is the high will prices, which in a way is appeasing the society because that is enough of a trickle down economics that's going down to the public. i think the other is the isis international coalition. that's at least getting rid of one problem that allows provides a little bit of a space for the, for the politicians to do this kind of bring the ship that does really vile in yesterday and as possible to escalate further. or maybe my hope is that we reach the peak and then from now one will be headed toward more de escalation, be it having early elections, or maybe even looking at constitutional amendments which, which is an issue that a lot of we will talk about. but i'm not sure that this kind of 10 situation is when you want to do
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a constitutional revisionism. right. arrested constitutional amendments is, is that possible in this current clara? well, it depends. it depends on the. busy political agreement that it should be happens those days and i don't think there will be some sort of in a way or another. maybe there will be some sort of agreement about the. busy the end, the election date, the dissolution of the parliament they. and also the most important thing is that the electoral lo and the electorate committee, which is the most important thing i think for the to do or to work on, on the, on these issues. again, i think there some sort of a political agreement fact that the agreement happened yesterday. all what we saw today from said is already has some sort of for roadmap.
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i've played, i've played out then go to the media and say ok guys, it's not my problem. now. we should stop that after making some political interest that it's supposed to be in a way to really get more speed. and then it actually, i think, actually looking for $100.00 seats and there are bids aiden. if we are heading for early elections, isn't it just very likely that we can get exactly the same results as you had in the past to which is just division and they process for the tool and especially given the in the last election. nothing is what 43 percent turn out. it's not likely to be anything more than that next time. rounded it, people are just not engaged in the political system in iraq. absolutely. and that is that the core of the objectives and the discourse from the protest movement that they were focusing on. reviving or re establishing a new political system and not producing were presenting new elections that would
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have the same influences and powers of the same political interest groups and political parties that will end up finding their way around to negotiate a government following the elections, which is very similar to what the coordination framework has been trying to do with allies across the spectrum by creating a consensus government and ignores the world performance that took place during the elections. again, going back to the demands of the ordinary rocky citizens. since we are great that the focus absorber 2019, until now the focus has been way wider and way more overarching and, and i'm bigger than just trying to. and next a new government. the focus has been, as you probably mentioned on, on, on finding new solutions to amend the constitution. finding new ways to not allow political parties or individuals that have been involved in the previous corruption
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allegations that have been exposed in so many different social and online campaigns . by various activists and n g o is for the past few years. therefore, the thing that people are hoping to witness in iraq is as a new political change, that wouldn't involve the same political parties that have been driving and determining this political system. even if we were to expect a constitution remaking or rewriting, we might even go back to the same problem or to the same problems and issues we faced during the making or the writing of the current constitution and the early stages of the invasion. you still have many of the prominent political figures and parties and interest groups that were involved or at the present, or would in direct the playing a vital role in writing some of the problematic articles and causes and the
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constitution most notes of the, the clauses or the articles that were in one way or another paving the way for the ethnic security for the ethnic secretary and quote, the distribution which prevented technocratic and independent and qualified lawmakers or politicians to gain the positions based on a roadmap or a program that benefits the country. and the long term and not to benefit the interest for the securing discourse that is utilized and exploited by the political party. yet you make very interesting point about just you mentioned the ordinary iraqi citizen below in these, this political vacuum that the countries experiencing the economy and people's lives are suffering and all the while you have this, this sort of unseemly scribble between what seems to me to be an increasingly popular elite. just tell us a little bit about briefly if you would about how it is for the ordinary iraqi citizen, living, interact with this political vacuum. we saw the public grievance and utter
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disappointments in the political leadership in the protest movement of 2019 which was a truly of indigenous and popular uprising not targeted at one single group or party or sac. but as the entirety of the system, a system that has failed to translate some $10000000000.00 amount of oil revenues into economic prosperity actually even even to deride the poverty, let alone prosperity creating jobs while you know that they the iraqi political system. because of the competitive nature, every rocky citizen through the social media and the competitive t, v, screens know the size and the level and the name of every crop leader and the, the millions and billions that gets siphoned off out of the country.
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so the public grievance i think was a display and of course we also saw the, the viciousness of the system of the militias, of those in power. they killed 800 protesters in 2019 and wounded some 202-5000 of them just to cling to power. and again, what we see today is on the one hand solder who wants to dominate the political scene. the ever larger cake thanks to high oil prices. and of course the coordination framework that starting to hang on one is using populism. one is using the deep states. and of course the one factor that's absent is the public. and again, i think these, the colonel political lead is really playing with fire by ignoring on the public because in 2019 they were that they were peaceful protests. and again, the, you know, the ire of civil war that keeps, you know, coming, you know, it's always about this militia, is that militia,
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but i think the every rocky household has at least one or 2 guns. so the main threat, the main worry is when the public starts to rise up against both she, i houses, you know, in a kind of a shakespearean where a person both houses. i think that is the serious moving forward given how, how aloof and how disregard being the kind of leadership are of the public. ok, where we will watch very closely what happens in the coming days, weeks and months jumping. we'll have to leave it there. thanks very much indeed for joining us. i'm at rusty bella and zaid on al. can nanny? thank you too for watching you can see this program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot common for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversational twitter. we are at ha, inside story for me mccloud. and the whole team here is 5. ah
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