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hello, welcome to the program. i am hashem, i had better. poland says it will demand $1.00 trillion dollars from germany, for crimes committed during the 2nd world war. the figure follows the release of a report on the cost of the nazi occupations of poland from 1939 to 1945 ponens white. when government says the country has not been fully compensated by germany and says, compensation was paid in the years that followed the war, and the matter is now closed. we have a lot to discuss with our guest shortly. first, this report from dominic haine in berlin. when german forces attacked, poland in 1939 adore hitler said he was writing historic wrongs done to his country

. the war he started would leave the continent in ruins and kill tens of millions of people. few suffered more than the poles. one in 6 of them died under german occupation. nearly 2 thirds of their industry was destroyed. more than 3 quarters of their infrastructure was ruined. now the modern polish state believes the modern german state should pay. yes, awesome. above the poverty, 1.3 trillion years is a very serious sum. but considering payment of his kind of compensation is spread over decades, it's a somewhat german economy can perfectly overcome about being crushed. the compensation pay to france for the 1st world war damages stopped any 10 years ago, right? it's of, it's summer's, quite realistic. i yield, but not to modern german eyes. successive governments of said a deal in 1953, between the communist governments in warsaw and berlin waved poland claim for compensation. the present polish government says its predecessor was forced by the

soviets to make the offer, and so it should not count. in one sense, germany has already lost much around a quarter of its territory, was annexed by the usaa and poland after the war. millions of people who had lived there were evicted at accepting the loss of this territory was key to bringing about german reunification. after the cold war. we find there are some who say the current polish government may be using the reparations argument to make political capital at home. fully tonic status or something like 83 percent of their supporters want this to happen. elections are coming up next year and having one out of other issues and definitely wanting to distract from inflation and that fuel shortages and other problems that long and the spacing in recent times, democratic germany has tried hard to right the wrongs done by nazi germany.

building monuments to the many millions who were murdered and expressing determination never to repeat the sins of the past. but also arguing that the time for compensating the countries that were invaded and occupied is over dominant came al jazeera berlin. ah, let's bring in our gas in war. so mike, a raccoon, an anchor of the polish t v news channels to the p info, anti vp weld in berlin. alrick broken up professor of political science at stanford university and in london. maximilian has fellow of the foreign policy research institute. welcome to the program, michael. is this a genuine attempt by the polish government to seek justice or is it just a politically motivated bush by the law and justice party?

well, you have to be aware that in poland, the memories of the 2nd world war are so embedded into our common understanding of reality that we are right now. that actually it's very hard to find a single family in poland that haven't been directly touched by the horrors and the charge of the, of the 2nd world war at basically almost 40000000 people right now have their that have their grandparents fighting. the 2nd world war are actually most of all being a victim of the 2nd world war in some way actually is very high, hard to find a family that had no financial losses that didn't lose its no homes. their locations, the people were murdered. this is a thing that it's so embedded into our common understanding of the, of the history of everyday life. this is general public expectation for years that

the trust is going to be face name and in a way to compensate a rick. but then when, in, in germany, the general sentiment among the people and they published meant is that this is a white wing government, which is weapon ising legacy of the past to try to put more pressure on the german government. how do you see the german government moving forward while the german government has immediately responded and it was very calm and straightforward referring to the legal side of the story, which is that everything is settled. and this is not something that is legally put on the international agenda. no one has any doubts about the german responsibility and the guilt, and the tragedy of the germans cost in poland. but the general effect him and in

germany is also among the other members of the union that we don't to politics with history. maximilian, the timing of the, of the, of the, of the reparation issue is pushing. but it to think that the law and justice party is tapping into that particular anti german sentiment to advance its own political agenda, knowing that there's absolutely no way that can get any confessions from the germans . well, yes, the government has the tie you budgetary funds closer to the rule of law decisions within the european union. this is, of course, been a particular bone of contention between germany and poland for the last 6 years, with germany alongside most of the institutions in brussels. finding that the ruling government and po and the law just as part is reform of the legal system. the system and particularly the supreme court has violated those european standards

. we similarly seen these kind of disputes are german, reparations, at other times of such tensions and putting in 2017, which is there is the genesis of this report here now as well as in german greek relations at point where germany and athens have disagreed over european policy, so there certainly is background in more recent history, which has caused some of that poor faith about these claims within germany and amongst critics of the polish government. michael, as you heard the, the germans, i didn't. this is a closed matter. they have paid compensation, right. after the war, not only that, this thing that the, the, the film taken some of the territory from germany right after the war. so this is already settled. know that some fiercely not true, but the main parking, the most important issue here is the, the, even the, the matter of the, of the legal framework which is,

which is open for discussion. and actually you kind of state that polish the polar of the country, a sovereign state exists, but the 1953. it was not as sovereign state. and the reason for which poland was not the sovereign state and 1953 was german and russian calling aggression against poland. the 2nd world war. you have to remember that for the 1st 2 years, paul was actually occupied by 2 countries by soviet union at the 3rd. right. and the reason for which paul, and actually the state of poland that was on the russian control, made the claiming 963. that was there was actually at the german government, it's talking about constantly for those years. was made actually by the soviet union. and the fact is, i actually opposed the climbing, but this is doing a politics with a history. this is not true. the fact is that those moral and the moral responsibility which, which my, my,

my partners here are claiming is obvious. i agreed. so this was and follow by the compensation of the loss of millions of lives. here i got a report here, actually one of those 3 books. this is a report that was produced by the group of sciences. people who weren't going to be able to, into any political party that was never working for years to assess the level of compensation require. you have to be aware that nowadays in the german banks, there are accounts that were filed by the scholars who arrange this and worked on this issue that collect from poland to make this thing even more complicated or simply or is it also the germans callers. are claiming that this is not a claim from poland, debt that that,

that should be paid by the germans. if you'll listen to, to professor certain that the pro books on the issues of the reparations for greece and for poland. it's a state of quite obviously so this case is not closed. ok. opponent was not a sovereign country when it's craig waving it's, it's kind of, i think, the 3 on rec. why is it difficult for both nations to move forward, turn the chapter of a long history of animosity, talking about the defeat of the teutonic order. the prussia has rolled in the splitting of the lift, waiting and punish commonwealth and do exactly what the germans and the french managed to do, which is basically turning up chops on starting a new one. i think the main difference between the successful reconciliation between germany and france and the not so successful. ready reconciliation between

poland and germany. yesterday we heard that there is no such thing like reconciliation until germany pays, trying out to the amount of money was the statement of the lead off the piece. the main difference is that we have different starting conditions. holland tell us that story, the story of being a victim between russia and prussia, nazi germany or germany in the union. this is this tensional narratives that helps especially conservative are those are just fact. poland was attacked on the 1st of september 939 by germany. it was a provoked attack. 1000000 lives with arms. and in the case of france, we decided that we should close the chapter and start a new european warner. based on the mutual interest in we should have

a common future. and while it was roused and germany, poland was in pre zone in the russian soviet prison. we were victims of this war. and we were for 6 years under the communist regime. and the reason for which that happened was coming to attack on poland by russia and germany. okay. no one compensate to polish people to my brother of my, of my late the grandfather, people who are in constant times they were never compensate to think that there is anybody who denies that responsibility. i say both as somebody of german descent also have families who died in the polish concentration camps. it is, is germany, thomas roosevelt come on. i think scary. polish kia french lives. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. the, the phrase,

polish concentrations that were well counted on polish, no concentration camps. jeremy really were afraid in applied genomics. if you don't mind at don't oh no, no, no. this is one of the most important and fundamental think no, don't worry when i agree with all. ready i called word fashion time. those were i have no child. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no way. we're not. concentration. also, terry hall, german massey no pion anger with concentration camps because paula did not exist because it was occupied by germany. and by right that the other there is a certainly what the very this is a little album, however, is an indication of the very complex nature of this. ah, give you a chance to continue it to finish what you've been saying. maximilian, if you don't mind before, we will forward to another angle of the story. yes, i, i agree. there is a very complex history and i certainly don't deny both the german and the nazi for

crimes that they carried out on polish occupied territory. that being said, i think part of the problem with the issue today is that how complex these are, these claims are and the issues of how the best way to solve them is to move forward in a european project. the fundamental underlying issue relates the state claims against one another, original claim and $953.00 was yes, between the communist government controlled by moscow in poland in a communist government in eastern germany, also heavily influenced by moscow. but there were certainly crimes, but continued in that era as well. there was the force movement of germans out of cities in the territory. that is now poland. i don't think demanding reparations at other when they're war going on. being waged by russia in ukraine is helpful. for ensuring the common european defense going forward. and because these legal issues are so complex, it's simply impossible to deal michael just adult or more forward international

audience. maximilian was talking about the 6000000 pows who were killed, including 3000000 polish jews, and the republic of poland, and poland. either origin or binder at the bank. and this, this, this isn't all killed by the german occupying forces. i want to address 11 more visual line briefly of course, which is also very important thing, is also an indication of the level of complication of those issues. the fact that the, the certain number of gentleman citizens had to move from the territories that were granted. poland, after the 2nd world war was a decision of the allies during the conference in head on it pumps dropped. those were the decisions of the allies after the 2nd world war and they made another decision during those conferences that paul regarding to get reparations for from

germany. and it did not receive some fil, today. this is a moral issue. ok, issue of responsibility and of compensation to the victim. sort of re, i'd like to ask you this. are we talking here about an a dispute which is going to fade away one day? or are we talking about something that has the potential to undermine the 1991, a treaty between poland and germany, the treaty of good neighborhood? well, as we have already distinguished as a moral dimension, as a historical dimension, opposed to facts that are not sufficiently known in germany. therefore, i warmly welcome to the fact that these 3 volumes that we have seen before are stimulating the discussion and the historical learning in germany. this is

wanda, welcome, but there's also a political instrument station of this. that is part of the election campaign for peace party. that bill nobody owns whatever. but what, what are the benches on which you are claiming? anything else? i appreciate if you don't mind good conversation. this is a very, an emotional discussion that will always pop up whenever a populace tries to instrumentalist is. so this will never go away because it's a chunk of that you can always play when you have a situation like you're isolate yourself, european faculty of nation states when you're writing session in your interpretation of law. and you're talking about the interpretation of the fact and you're talking about the problems while you are talking about the victims of the

war that was waged and which was provoked by the german nation and was never paid for those big. and so those, those crimes, and i'm, i'm advance some of the, of a man who was, who was one of those victims. the mother of my wife was in the concentration. ne account for 2 years force to check. the weapons of the bullets for the german weapons are properly prepared. dose people were never compensated for the cry. and you are talking about the election trunk that crosses your claim. that those are the pope, the maximum, which is basically what you should do. you should ok a take a look at the mall, my financial responsibility related to my oral res maximillian. how question to ask you, if you don't mind, do you think this is similar in different tens, took a different direction, particularly with russia, the invasion of ukraine,

a if in the back then the 1st response from potent was basically very dismissive and critical of germany saying that, that the board has been to lay too slow and when it comes to helping the frame. yes, there has been a lot of criticism from poland and many other corners on the german government response. and i share a lot of that criticism, and i think it's time for berlin to show some leadership on that side. but this issue, i don't think is ultimately connected to the issue in ukraine. and of course, also after the war changed the borders in the eastern fallen. i think it's really connected, more likely to these internal european disputes. we've been talking about the point of whether it's being politicized. i would just point to the fact that it tends to come up during times of tension between the on just the government in poland and brussels and you whether that was in 20162017 or back in 2004. when the leader of

the party 1st brought up a similar commission. so i do think that there and you know, that being said on the historical on the. busy point it is incredibly complicated and there is undoubtedly and germany there have also been issues with jewish people receiving compensation from the polish government over the territory. the end of the world was so much, let me think of that. it was a, well, it was not yesterday, the poland actually well come off of israel and the state of israel to join mcclay because of the claims that should be addressed to the perpetrators of the 2nd world war, the germany basically. so germany is, but is the perpetrator and should be abreast of all the claims from former citizens of republic of poland should be sent to me. it was actually sad. yesterday it was more final thing in 2004 all polish political parties.

2004, all political parties in poland voted for bill. and this bill stated clearly that polish government should prepare this document, this kind of document and address the issue with the relation straight to the german government was and made by the pianist party because the party was the ruling party back in 2004. rick, now you have, this is an extraordinary moment for both love shoals and also for my tires. most of its k o of poland. do think that ultimately they will have to know forward for them to be able to maintain what they have managed to achieve over the past 2 decades, particularly building strong economic and financial relations. well, i wish they find or calling nominator to. ready one of the different

positions, not only on this case, but also in a number of others, making relatives behind likely this is given the situation that there's war in europe. and what matters most of the moment is that the western united and whether it is possible in a situation which was being a country place thinking like this, this very moment remains to be seen. maximilian, there is the legacy of the 2nd wall where the contacts are. then there is also what many people think is right wing political parties in europe . weaponized the anted german sentiment to build some sort of an anti german alliance within the you, do you see that way? i don't see it that way. and i do think that this is there is a political relation to the timing of this issue. but as we were saying, i very much welcome debate and discussion both within germany and water in europe

about the history of this time. and showing that the nazi crimes that were committed both in germany and unoccupied polish territory and further abroad. but on that sort of right wing front within europe and that we're seeing right now, we've actually seen a pretty big divide and merge between the polish government and the bar, right. when government victor or bonding hungry over his relative lee, accepting approach of russia's crimes in ukraine and even going to moscow and buying more gas from gas from. so we've seen a real difference and in between countries that i think is fundamentally undermine that alliance. gentlemen, unfortunately, we're really how to leave it there because we're running out of time. in the meantime, michael, germany made financial deals with russia. and the reason for which we see this clashing in europe between different political groups. is the policy that people

oppose in many countries? we do not agree many countries to to make you up the ration. thank you, michael, to dismantle the the sovereign state. thank you. lots of people's mother. thank you . i promise you that we will revisit this topic in the near future here on inside. sorry. i really appreciate it is. i thank you. thank you and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website agency and dot com for further discussion. go to facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha. i slowly. you can also join the conversations with alex at a james site for the for me, how sure. and the entire team here in my, for the me ah, along with

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