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cause a millions of dollars in damage this year. and what is operations on a key work site for a multi $1000000000.00 natural gas pipeline project. in march tire extinguishes launches in the united kingdom, this leaderless group aims to make owning su v's in cities impossible. and they have deflated thousands of vehicle tires around the world. one more example for you, august climate activists in the south of france, phil golf course holes with the manx to protest. the water bad exemption for golf greens, amid a severe drought saying the economic madness is taken precedence over ecological reason. so in this episode of the stream could embracing climate sabotaged help save our planet? i know you've got thoughts. i get your comment section is live looking forward to seeing you in it exclaiming, artifice, but far out comparing the pride out stripes, the crowds, procedures, on march to quality operating the government,

to address the climate crisis. the government have made promise to talk to keep in arching maslanka davis. we need to take a step further to push because the goldman does not give it to our campus. the problem is that taken that course of action would like we haven't the exact opposite effect. it would be a gift to the right wing opponents of climate action. who would use it? leverage it for all its worth to accelerate their creeping fascism make. the issue politically toxic for moderate voters, arrests, a generation of young climate activists and so division in the climate movement itself. joining us to talk about their various degrees of activism when it comes to climate crisis. we haven't raised in ms. rena. charlotte, get to have a few of you here in the stream. and right, we please introduce yourself to our global audience. tell them who you are. in the

cat connection of today's episode, what do they need to know about very briefly? well, i'm in the rails, mom. i teach human ecology. i learned university here in sweden and i guess i'm on this show because i wrote a book on how to blow up a pipeline. learning to fight in the world on fire, which advocates for sabotage on proper destruction as methods that the climate movement should experiment with. now that the situation is sol diner and i think what we're seeing right now are the 1st signs of the climate movement in the global north doing this. and i think more is coming. measuring. welcome to the strain, welcome back. i should say, it's always good to have you on board. we introduce yourself to the audience. remind them who you are, what you do. thank you. my name is ester know, simon, i'm from sudan on the chair of the un secretary general's youth advisory group on climate change, and alkaline an activist for 10 years. now. it's kathy and welcome charlotte. they

say hello to stream view is around the world. tell them what you day. i am charlotte crab. i'm a climate justice activist, and i'm an organizer on the free. jess spreads team. i'm wondering, charlotte, at what point do you abandon diplomacy, climate negotiation? talking to your nemesis, perhaps talking to policy makers who are not thinking about the future and then say i need to take direct action. when does that happen? i mean, i don't think of it as a binary. i don't think you need to abandon, you know, as the word that you chose, those other tactics and do something like property destruction. i think that we need a diversity of tactics. i think we need policy change. i think we need legal challenges . i think we need direct action. you know, i think i would be the most successful way is using a variety of tactics yet, use in tactics, needs to do

a cost benefit analysis. you always need to see or calculate how much benefit them going to get from using this taxes and how much the cost it goes to me and in the tactics cost more than the benefit to bring stand. it doesn't call that they can just mean that it's a failed trial address. yeah, no i, i totally agree with both of these points. and i think the, the purpose of sabotage would be to a mass greater striking force for the climate movement. and so far, we haven't really managed to inflict serious material costs on false, on capital, and that is what urgently needs to happen because the situation right now is that the more of the world burns, the more fossil fuels are poured on the fire and it just cannot go on like this, and our governments have so far, completely failed and raining in this virtually the moaning force that is banged on burning down the planet as fast as possible. and if the government's fail so

conspicuously than someone else has to step in and that's what people around the world are beginning to do, take action of their own. but i agree that's not a question of abandoning other tactics. it's the question of trying to put greater pressure on government to do what is necessary because on their own relation of their own accord, they're clearly incapable of doing that. they have to be put if you have a government, if you have a government in the 1st place. sure. i mean current coming foster then it's just funny for me to talk about governments these days. so andras, you said something which jumped out me which was inflict, it's like you inflict damage on the fossil fuel industries. is this in your mind? a battle? i'm just looking at your book that came out in 2021. how to blow up a pipeline. so it's almost like you're going to the front lines. you're not waiting any longer for diplomacy than to go see ation. no,

because the un climbing negotiations that have been going on for 3 decades have presided over a constant increase in c o. 2 emissions. i mean, c o 2 emissions globally have just continued to balloon while these negotiations have been happening, year after year. so clearly that's a massive epic failure and we can't wait for that to just continue forever. it's just dragging out and not doing anything to limit. let alone abolish business as usual. so clearly we have to do something else. i mean, i don't see how you can avoid the conclusion that we have to try something more than what we've done so far. it hasn't been enough to wait for negotiators to petition to lobby to march, to demonstrate, to gently ask for politicians to listen to the science. we need to also do something more and that's, that's the face of the climate movement in the global north as in and yeah i'm,

i'm not from saddam, i'm from one of the countries that is perpetrating climate and justice on people in countries like saddam or other parts of the global south, i'm active in europe, which is the original cradle of the facade economy, where this whole climate crime began. and here we do have governments and what they do in, for instance, norway, the neighboring country here, is that they're just a bidding encouraging ever expanding extraction of fossil fuels. and there is re somebody but mad or anything. andreas, the funny thing is most of the developed countries or the european countries, projects of oil and gas, are actually not happening in, in these countries where you have a legal system that might actually protect the activists who do this sabotaging or blowing up the pipelines. it's happening in countries where activists can just be

killed for a striking, a in front of our, of a forest for example. so, so that's why when you talk about different tools, when you talk about doing more and i really think of different ways of more different, more as a, as you may say. and yes, diplomacy is being failing us as a generation and feeling that fitting the planet in actually a reaching the point that we want to reach. but if you use the to a wrong, it doesn't mean that the to have a problem. and if you plant a tree and dont irrigated, it doesn't mean that the the tree itself or the site itself is not proper. it means that you're not taking care of it. and it does to remind all of you in the negotiations or the diplomacy or wherever is systems that people carry ated and people should change it as long as it's not working instead of just trying

something else. and i think as someone who's a mr. hill, this negotiation, israel, israel, it's, it's, yes, i excuse me for, for jumping in here. i want to bring charlotte into the conversation. charlotte, because when we talk about direct action, you know what that is like, and you have done it and they're handling repercussions. so this is the of the side of that. it's not just, we are going to go out and we're going to slash tires, deflate tires, a fil. gov. gov courses with cement to stop the privilege from using water. when the rest of us con, you've actually done that direct action and then what happened to you? yeah, i think i have done different direct actions as part of the credit access pipeline protest. i had locked myself to her on full drill. that was boring under the de moines river, which is a source of drinking water for 40000000 people and i was trying to do the felony. i served a month in jail. i had to pay you guys $7000.00 and restitution and $65.00 per

day in jail when i was in there. and you know, i'm here to speak on behalf of my friend jet who is locked up for 8 years. and i really appreciate stream your comment about the very real risks people face with this. like it's exciting to report those, you know, tactics and i think acting outside of where it has been working is important that i think i'm here today to speak about, the increased criminalization of water protectors increased criminalization of protesters. and how we're seeing, especially in the us, you know, emerging of the oil and gas industry and corporate interest as well as the government. that's really pretty terrifying. to be honest. this is, i'm just to show what is a little bit of jessica resume check. and you can tell me more about her story, but i want audience to understand that she was doing direct action on a pipeline. and she ended up in the county. he is right now setting

a years in prison for domestic terrorism in the united states. it's have a look at part of her story. in her statement, jessica wrote that after exhausting all avenues, the process for petitions for environmental impact statements and public comment periods to hunger strikes, marches, boycotts and civil disobedience. and she took her actions as the last resort. biden's department of justice has declared jessica and domestic terrorist sentenced her to 8 years in prison and millions of dollars in fines paid to the pipeline company. her case is important, and it's because it's not unique laws specifically criminalizing environmental protests have now been passed to put on the table in most u. s. the moment anyone seriously challenges the corporations, freedom to push us closer to the class, a government uses the language of terrorism and they make you disappear. so jessica anne and her friend charlotte, they sabotaged the cut dakota access pipeline. fire bombs,

they use the soldiering unit, and for that she serving 8 years in prison as a domestic terrorist. is that not a sobering thought in terms of how do we get people's attention? how do we save our planet? if of the other side of that there's gel time. yeah, yeah. so just to clarify, i was not the other person. jessica acted with another women and that was not me. the actions i spoke about were separate um, but it is real and jessica wesley both the domestic terrorist and that increased her sentence 5 old. and she's just served, finished a year in prison and she has an 8 year sentence. she has to pay $3200000.00 in restitution to energy transfer partners. the company that owns the dakota shy, shall you just said that like it's like it's no big deal over $3000000.00. how doesn't normal everyday individual come up with $3000000.00?

that's a great question. i mean i definitely don't have an answer to that and i think it really speaks to. busy you know, how high the, you know, the foster care industry is increasing the risk to try to intimidate activists from acting. and, you know, injustice case. this isn't random. we know exactly why this happens to clean, motivated in 201784 congress members. they, for democrats, 80 republicans wrote a letter to then attorney general jeff sessions, asking specifically in the way of standing protests that people who tamper or impede with process your infrastructure, be prosecuted as domestic terrorist. they specifically mention punctured and val, because this is also trying to target the valve turner's. and then just because

prosecution or label as it did, i think her is an exact answer to this letter. so we know exactly why this happened . and those $84.00 congress members who wrote this letter, they received $336000000.00 from the fossil fuel industry. so we know that the fossil fuel industry is just trying to protect their assets and the government's doing committing to do. and i think that, yeah, the important thing to point out here is that it's fundamentally bizarre, the jessica resonant check, who never harmed an individual, never injured anyone, never killed anyone, is labeled a terrorist when in fact, the extraction and combustion of fossil fuels are killing people on a daily basis indiscriminately killing civilians, particularly in the global south. this we know for a fact if there's anything here that can be classified as terrorism,

it should be large scale for some fuel extracts and combustion. obviously the law, those are totally skewed and twisted. so the, the, the, the presumed terrorist hair is the one who tries to destroy the machinery that destroys lives and ecosystems around the planet. so now these, for the address that has got that. so that's your moral stance on you know why this direct action is necessary. but if you have a young woman who is now serving time as a domestic terrorist does not, is not a chilling effect and makes you think twice about how do we go about getting people's attention in a productive way without learning ourselves in prison? yes. and the 1st thing we, we should think about is how do we accomplish the most without ending up in ga? how do we avoid, how do you repression? how do you? yeah, well, you should ask the 20 people who destroyed bath coastal gas land construction side

. and british columbia that you started off with because as far as i know, they all evaded arrest, which i think is a great thing. and you can go and, and destroy a site where a pipeline is being constructed and just get away with it. likewise, i don't know anyone in the tire extinguishers who's been arrested and i think this is a step away from the civil disobedience protocol of extinction. rebellion and other groups have made it a virtue to get rid of them. yeah, yeah. the heart of our action is to almost throw ourselves into the arms of the police and end up in jail. i shot i've had enough. was that was that what you were doing because you got topping and you did some jail time. did you, can you a court i mean yes and you know, yeah, nobody wants the or you and we don't change a big piece of equipment so you would definitely get caught. that that was not an engine is. yeah. i mean, i think this speaks to the bigger issue of an escalation of tactics. you know,

in that case we and jessica had, you know, jessica ran with the le coats a youth during the permitting process of the army corps of engineers. and you know, i've been part of so many projects where like we submit comments as part of the i statement we, you know, holes i. e, i s statement environmental impact statements. that's part of the permitting process. i'm, you know, and so you can do it a civil disobedience outside of a place just did hunger strikes. and so there is like this escalation where you're doing things. and i think the role of direct action in this case can be to highlight an injustice that's taking place in a way that traditional media, such as like an op ed or writing it just can't, you know. and so i think highlighting how high the stakes are, is something that direct action, you know, can really bring to a situation. we bringing a new voice in tackle the social new voice that an old very well known face. leslie

james, pick them and he's a former spokesperson for the earth liberation front. back in a day, they did a lot of sabotage. and this is leslie explaining what the purpose is. what happens when you'll successfully completing a sabotaged sabotage of mission avenue? it creates the scenario where there is no consequence for bad behavior in a society where there is no consequence for bad behavior. a corporation can go and cut down a forest and pollute and what have you. and at the worst, they get a find that they have no problem paying. and they just go on with business as usual . but after the earth liberation front up on the scene, mom, you know, they have to stop and think about is what i'm doing. gonna upset these environmental is so much that i'm going to be the next target of a large scale arson attack. well, my company will burned down. and if they are the target of that kind of thing, well, that's going to cost them some, several things. it costs them some money and some time and some anguish and,

and hopefully cause them to, you know, rethink what the, what the, what it is that they're doing always thing a different kind of climate savage tell. wow. and dias, friend, 2 decades ago. yeah, yeah. i think the earth liberation front that was at its peak in the 9th ninety's, did not have a specific focus on climate because this was an environmentalism before climate breakdown have set in. now we have a more strategic or i think precision in the sense that we're going asked are primarily fossil fuel infrastructure and luxury emissions along the lines of driving su these in rich neighborhoods. and i think this is more appropriate for the current moment because the climate crisis really is. i mean obviously it's just

one part of much broader ecological crosses, but it is the most urgent problem that we're facing. and then i expect that we'll or, and i hope that we can continue to have that kind of precision rather than the kind of, you know, general assault on industrial civilization or something like that. i'm sure i'm gonna bring in a new voice salad. nothing to respond, this is to mom and she is in india. she spoke just a few hours ago about a different approach to changing people's ability to act and meet me during the climate crisis is yes, the majority of our population is just struggling to get, but they're not bad off the guy sees that are affecting them. so far a lot of organizations, it's motor board gate begin this to these communities and working on line certificate obligation for them. instead of nearly targeting, the child is under corporate, which is

a much larger boxes and is more dances. charlotte thought, i mean i appreciate where to mana said, but in terms of i like what leslie brought in in terms of accountability for these corporations. and like with the case of the dakota access pipeline, a federal judge came to rule that it's operating legally. so the permitting, the permits that the crate access pipeline had to go through our illegal and its operating now it leaked multiple times within its 1st 6 months of operation. it's over 2000000 gallons of is drilling made into christine wetlands. and that i think is the catch 22 of living in extractive and colonial system where the only way to stop. and the reason we built pipeline in a legal way is to let it be built. and then after the fact realize that it wasn't legal to begin it, but at that point it's already built. and so i think, you know,

finding ways for accountability for these corporations is important. and also not just the corporations, but also the courts. and with just that, what we realized in the appeal process with her was we were challenging the domestic terrorism label. and as part of the appeal process and the appeal was denied, the judge is basically in their, to, in their decision said that we believe just the domestic terrorist was a harmless error. and so what, what found lesson that you, we learn as an international audience, listening to jesse story is that, isn't it just that the repercussions us? oh, huge. yes i sims are huge, but it's also, i think for us this is much bigger than just, you know, and that's why we're worried about emerging of the fossil fuel industry and the government. this is about a threat. i think i'm jessie and i definitely. yeah,

this is the kind of problem that every movement in history that has challenged, vested interests has had to face, namely a state apparatus that is totally beholden to. these vested interests. and without comes the problem of repression that you end up in jail. but i don't know of any movement in history that has struggled for emancipation and has totally evaded the problem of imprisonment or considerably worse. and clearly this is the case in congress on the global south to a much greater degree than in the north because levels of repression are much higher in countries such as india, south africa, not to mention the countries i'm not in america were environmental activists are killed the on virtue a daily basis. and i think the coming from india made an important point here that the necessary from saddam made as well. and that is that every choice of tactics has to be adapted to the local concrete circumstances. and i'm certainly not arguing that everyone everywhere should do only sabotage,

and that is the magical bullet that will bring us to a bit of it's been interesting listening to our perspective, charlotte as well, initially. thank you so much for being part of this conversation. so many interesting thoughts here on you cheap as well actually says the last thing i have is people that don't even believe in climate change and don't care what's happening on the other side of the world. and that is shameful. and so watching, i see you next time, take care. a frank assessments the heat waves we're seeing now, are they a product of global warming? we will say more than what is happening in the climate change, making them work in depth analysis of the days headlines inside story on al jazeera, it was meant to be there day. did you hear the cares why not quick?

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