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a dependency. this is the inside story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle, parts of southern and central somalia. it will likely be and famine by the end of the year. that's the warning from the un humanitarian chief who was calling for an international aid to avoid a catastrophe. modern griffith's who's in somalia says he's been shot to the core by the suffering. and so there's only going to get worse. extreme drought caused by for failed radio seasons. the space millions of somalis, ross's invasion of ukraine has made staples such as grains and cooking oil unaffordable and political instability has hampered humanitarian efforts. the old group out about frequently

a tax relief convoys un has received just 2 thirds of the $1500000000.00. it needs to provide immediate assistance. we want the world to observe, to listen and to contribute to. and many, many governments has united states government recently, very generously gave money to the humana response program. we need more and we're going to need more through next year. life saving, which is the core of the humanitarian business, is what we have to do today in somalia. no question about that we need to save lives lives which are at great risk, but or, and we need to invest in alternative livelihood. so many of the pastoralists, family generations of living off their livestock have no more animals. they have lost their livestock sold or die from the drought, and the likelihood of further droughts will mean that they won't be able to pursue

that way of life if they have had the generation. so what we're seeing threatened to the horn of africa as well as elsewhere, but particularly here in the own is a way of life is under threat. and that means we need to invest in people for an alternative. i went to a site for internally displaced people and by the people have been there for 9 years, 9 years that they have been displaced. and we have still not been able to give them alternative ways to live and to live independently of humanitarian aid. it's a massive requirements for international attention. also decades, somalia has struggled with civil war, political instability, and famine. in 1991 warlords, ousted president sidebar and then turned on each other attempts at peace or several interim civilian governments. 319912000. after bob has been fighting government forces and african union peacekeepers for control of the country,

the group still operates in southern and central somalia. and now in the midst of the drive conditions and 40, is you an estimate? 7.8000000 people need humanitarian assistance. ah, okay, that's bring in our guests than in mogadishu is a very l. me, executive director of the heritage institute for policy studies. that's a think tank in somalia. joining us from da for in sue don, is michael dunford, the world food programs regional director for easton africa and in bristol, in the u. k. is this all my g, a research associates, the london school of economics and coal for of famine in somalia, competing imperatives, collective failures, welcome to all of you. if you are a, if i could start with you because it's in parts of southern and central somalia where, where this threat of famine is, seems to be looming, the largest,

what are you seeing and hearing happening in these areas? well, i just wanted to add my voice to the human, a pity coordinator. and by the way, this is really what this was come in for quite some time. while the community has been working and also the somali government for the bus 3 months that it existed, it made one of the few additions to raise awareness of this ruling problem. so at the moment that we have to just focus on rescuing as many people as possible, simply because it the regional level where it's about 2 or at least the countries about to declare famine. and i think later on than we can discuss this as being the ways or the long term solution is for now, all the efforts on all the thinking has to focus on saving as many people as

possible. so it's an emergency situation. just just give us a picture of what that looks like on the ground. well, i mean there are combine nation factors here that actually is affecting every day. like there is the, the conflict that's going on. the country's side. we have you know, the, the panoramic that has had serious effect and also the 5 season is a brain was actually short supply. so we have a number of factors that have affected the vulnerable communities and the people who are living outside the big cities as well. as the beast and people who are already living under the buffer line. so the whole so called resilience factors that are out of the way we are in a situation according to the people who are working in the humanitarian sector,

where everybody who can do, how should, how and i think he had a baby. maybe i should just emphasize the role that the, the gulf countries and other places come come to play because there were books in me. i mean, it's, it's, i mean, they can amik or at least like we were, we will definitely international response. a little later, the discussion, michael marson, griffith you and him un humanitarian chief, said that he was shocked to the call. bye bye, what he saw. but that his concern is what's happening to the people. he didn't see the people he didn't have access to. do we know the full extent we know the full picture? i think we have a very good sense of the situation today. but as modern indicated,

access to the population is extremely challenging because of the insecurity because of the role that plays with in somalia. i would say 2 weeks ago i met many of the beneficiaries that you saw on your player. and it really is heartbreaking seeing people who have been forced to walk from their homes. the day i even met a woman who was for 20 a day, 7 children to try and find humanitarian relief. the world food program, the scaled up dramatically. but the problem is that despite the warning sign that we had, the funding has been slower to arrive and only now a we hitting our peak level of operation. and i fear we're going to have to continue to grow that response to meet the needs, the value of the, the human human as her. and she, if you haven't turned she again, he said small is one step away from famine. when you looked at the last famine in

somalia, back in 2011, you found that the us had called it too late and that the response was the full too slow. do you see the same thing happening again? yeah, i think there's no doubt that you can say the same again way. in fact, the, myself and 3 colleagues who did the work on the famine research on time and in 201112, put an opinion piece in elgin, or actually in january of this year. so at least for the last 6 months, if not for more than that time, we've been raising the possibility that there's going to be a famine in somalia. we can't necessarily say that the famine itself has been called too late because this recently been a technical assessment and they're predicting that the famine may take place in the last quarter of this year. but that's in the way sometimes we're playing with semantics here. the situation in somalia is already horrendous, and

a lot of people have died already. and this has been going on for many months already somali communities from around the world for at least the last year. in many places have been raising money and sending money to their relatives in different parts of the country. and we also know very much where the most effective people come from. because they predominantly come from certain identity groups, certain population groups in southern somalia that with predominantly the victims of famine in 9192 and in 201112. i'm frankly, the humanitarian system is also must take some responsibility for not having called for more resources and, and look for more resources earlier when we raised the issue in january, this is even before the ukraine crisis, which is clearly taken away from funding possibilities, the amounts of money that we're talking about also need to be put into context

because they are miniscule in comparison with the amount of money that was raised for in response to the co bid and damage and for the crime crisis at the moment. so there's not, it's not really a question of there was a need for more fund but, but in the end, this is also about the political will, both from the somalia government side as well as from the international community. and that should have been an acting over 6 months ago. the cost also by osha bob is an interesting $1.00. moment let me just get a response from michael on that point that you raised that humanitarian groups have not called for resources early enough on the call should have been made 6 months ago. michael, what's your response to that? i'm inclined to disagree. we've been cooling and making it absolutely clear that we needed to move far in excess of the beginning of this year. we were talking about the risk of famine because of the drought. well, in the middle of last year,

we knew this was coming. i agree, however, that the international community has been slow to make the funding available to allow wealthy program and others to scale up. you know, april, we were only feeding 1700000. that was purely because of a lack of funding. we are now at 4.5 because fortunately, the u. s. government particularly has come through the level of the funding require boss. we need another 327000000 just to get through to the end of the year. this is a huge population. as a result, it requires a huge amount of funding and i agree that other don't is need to step out. ok, i fear i what was your take on this? do you think? why do you think the response has been so slow? well, i think that our other international practice, actually the ukraine crisis was one of the main ones that so molly and other

countries in the home were actually the attention of the international community that don't want to be particular shifted to a to other other context. we have, if you will be in war, we have other major. i mean political event is that we are taking place in the continent, so that has overshadow with the somalia christ. i'm 2nd, i think the other fact that here is that this became a recording problem where it just happened every few months. if you, yes, i'm in that there is some sort of the from the donor respected, but that doesn't justify people or die. and now, and in fact, so the credit of, of them and one of their credit, the decision is of the president was the man or to appoint some i mean an invoice that raises the profile of the issue and they've been trying their best. so that ever they can, but again, this is the matter of priorities. donors just focusing other areas. absolutely, i mean that's all that's, that's true, isn't it?

a big problem here is dona fatigue and you know, these international organizations, they've got to be careful about continuously asking for money asking for more more more. when there's lots of other things on the world stage happening. do you think this now is the wakeup call that the world needs for somalia? the know we've been refugee council has said, what do you think people are already awake and simply ignoring it. and i think people are ignoring it. i mean that the f word, the famine word is always very evocative, and therefore it can help to raise attention and mobilize fun further. the problem with the f word is that it's already late by the time that it's announced. so yes, it may help to alleviate the situation or make it, or, or contain the situation to some degree. but that degree is where we already have

a catastrophic situation in many parts of the country and where we also struggle to reach people. i think that's the other issue is that yes, more resources needed, but we have also myself and colleagues have also pointed out that more could be done with existing resources where in particular we have difficulty and we've had difficulty for the last 10 years to reach many areas of somalia and with constrained to working in certain centers. and so that's been there's been a great stagnation around any kind of access, not just humanity area and developmental as well. and that's going to remain the case. and it's something that we, we've raised in 2014 actually in anticipation of the potential for famine and these kinds of disasters that one needs to be talking to groups like how should bomb early on in the crisis. they all, they have their a pervasive presence and they have a very well established and have been so prob,

attending in michael new experience. how does the wsp access these areas that are controlled by groups that are not the government it's challenging, it really is. there are a number of areas that have besieged, where we are forced to fly commodities in that ad dramatically the costs. what we're finding at the moment is the populations are increasingly moving toward centers where we are, if you've been able to access them. and this is why we've seen such a large number of the 1000000 people displace because of this conflict. the challenges of access a very real in somalia today all of us as few managerial actors are struggling with this. but we are eager to ensure that to the extent possible, we are able to reach the beneficiaries before they need to move. and so issues of

access negotiations with the various parties is key to us being able to do appear i. one of the critical points that allow for a famine to take place to occur is the political failure of the leaders. we've got some, all is new president declaring all out war on al. sure. bob, particularly after it attacks the popular hotel in mogadishu. is that the right approach given the situation? is it not better at this stage to be declaring all out negotiations? well, i think this is not either or situation in general. when it comes to government is 40 and consolidating its power. i think it will employ both strategies. sure. force as well as negotiations. and i think the normal on,

on record and i'm calling for negotiation is but i understand that normally when a given state is consolidating its powder, also use some sort of salt or force. i think that that's just a different issue. this is stage at the moment, i think it would, but hasn't taught them. it was, even, i mean, before the government was appointed, he appointed you monetary and invoice that the read the profile of the issue. understandably though some, some oddball, attrition is, are concerned. it is sometimes, you know, just wanted to f or find that is use it. it might shift, all the development sector is, might shifted to the release. and this has been a concern that some politician has been expressing at least when i made them. but we're all, i think what we are now facing, the level of understanding of the government level is, is fine,

but their capacity is limited and that's why they are calling for the international community to how. when 7100000 people are facing some sort of, i mean hunger, i think this is everything has to focus on saving us many or as many people as possible. yes, we have to pay attention to the institution building later on. we talk about longer term infrastructure and all of these things that will come the debate will come of the later stage. this at this moment. i think mike, a grievance and other is out of actually raising the the flag and saying, let's try to save as many as me, people as possible. i agree with that and i really hope that the countries that are crows like out of countries and also we play a role. now the heavy lifting is being done by the somebody else. but anyway,

who are sending whatever they can. but what is needed is much, much more than this i'll ship out. but me that controls so much of central and southern somalia doesn't, especially the rural areas. it only has to be a partner in relief efforts. but how interested is it in helping the people that it controls? because just last week it attacks of food convoys were killed. 20 people and burned 7 truckloads of desperately needed food. is it a tool, a reliable partner? well, that's a good question for me. and i think for many people. busy to answer actually, and really what the raises is the fact that these discussions should have been, should you shouldn't, the negotiation shouldn't com, right at the, in the middle of the crisis. and these are the issues that should have been planned

for kind of months or even years in advance. so clearly i think us above is not one single entity. so different that can be different command structures, different autonomy of different branches of the group in different parts of the country. so i think it's not clear how exactly they are organized. and we know that there are negotiations taking place by different sets of actors, whether those are working to what extent the working and maybe working in some areas better than in other areas. how much that joined up and all the humanitarian sector kind of presenting one face. maybe that's not even a good strategy. so i think, i think there's a lot that we don't know and there's a lot will be happening kind of under the surface that we won't know about. but, but i would kind of, i would also say that these are also the symptoms of acting very late. and actually these types of negotiations and possibilities should have been explored much earlier. and i don't think they were ok. so michael,

given the situation that we are in, which is the emergency situation, what at this stage can the international community and should be international community be doing 1st and foremost we need funding wi fi and you can only scale level if we've got the level of funding required, and as i indicated, w p alone need $327000000.00 before the end of the year. but it's not just about the food. it's about all of the sectors, the nutrition, the hell, the water, the water and sanitation, all happening simultaneously because the children why simply die because of a lack of food back combination of factors, particularly diseases, an illness is that will increase the mortality, right? so it has to be that collective effort we have already moved substantially, but as indicated for failed rainy seasons,

the 5th one is likely to fail at the end of the year. we could be in a situation this time next year where there has been no substantial rain. and the population in need continues to grow. is the world ready to allow large numbers to die? i desperately hope, not. the only way to avoid that is to allow the un world food program and others to continue to upscale its operations. a fairy? are you hopeful that that will be the response? i mean, as michael says, we are expecting the next 2 reins to fail, sees us into 2023. the. the crisis is only going to continue and lesson. well, that is the general benediction of the moment. but i, you know, in 2011 the famine response of the time, turkey led it and they did a good job at least by how big relief the problem. by combining 8 and development.

i hope this time the gulf states might be so without a b or a or i'm and others can lead by at least the giving you the initial funding aspect of it. but also trying to how did the state because we have a state that unless it tell did on unless it is actually able to to, to controlled it cannot do anything about i'm in or any other issue. so i think these out of the, to we, we have a long term dispos. but also at this time, maybe these countries with rich economists might be able to, to provide immediate response while also learning some lessons from the past. which i think turkey can, can be instructive here. absolutely. so immediate and long term help desperately needed that in somalia. we'll have to leave it there for today. our discussion.

thank you very much for all august re i'll me michael dunford. and nissan, my jean for joining us today, and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, the sound is there a dot com? and if i got to go to facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story, because i joined the conversation on twitter. we're at a j inside story from me laura kyle: i'm the whole team here by the ah

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