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prisons? cat galaxy gets a conversation started. i think one of the biggest misconceptions about prison is that we are harsh enough and not we need to be tougher. we've conditions, longer sentences. and that this will encourage people to not want to commit crime by history has shown us time and time again. that is approach just doesn't work. and if we look at the countries who have tough assistance, i also have the highest recidivism, right? they have the highest deaf, right? because when we trade in people badly and given them not access to the tools they need through education technology, good health care. when not enabling them to want to become better members of the community for when they are released. and why we're teaching people how to survive in prison. we simultaneously teach them how to foul in society. all right, let's make, i guess hello, fresh c m pierre and plays. i had good to have you on the stream and get your you

to introduce yourself like level audience. tell them what your connection is to prison fritzy you start. hi, thank you for having me on the show. my name is fritzy horseman, i'm the founder and executive director of the compassion prison project. and our mission is to create trauma, inform prisons and communities in the united states and throughout the world. pia fits are happening. please introduce yourself to the stream audience. yeah, hello everyone, my name is b a book and from finland, i'm forensic psychologist and psychotherapist and i used to work 10 years as a prison psychologist. and now i work as a project manager in the central administration of our present system in our project called smart present project. thank you so much looking forward to hearing more about that and then hello teresa. good to see you. please introduce yourself to a global audience. thank you very much and her low to everyone. my name is to refund

your real gave from kenya. i'm the founder and ceo of a social enterprise called clean thought. we walked and power to be open, dignity to in prison, and put money in pregnant women and back children. all right, you met the gas and if you're watching right now you're on youtube, you can be part of the conversation as well. speak to, i guess. suppose your question or your comment, be part of today's show. i want to start with teresa and, and, and get this thought about your concept of what a prison is bad to do. then takes us along to them. what shall prison culture be like to raise a you have an inside view because of an unfortunate incident that happened to you. that meant that you experienced prison in kenya. tell us more. and what did you say? very inhumane condition, lack of dignity, it tears you a pot. i remember the day i left prison, i was relieved and i was happy that i was leaving that crash environment. that was

very difficult for my daughter in i. but the truth of the matter is that very soon, i realized that the happiness and the relief faded away. but that years then mon of trauma continued post imprisonment. the prison crashes you, it's like long trauma and it just to humanizes you. so i'm going to say site away before i would, it stops commenting the view of putting to prison for a misunderstanding. it took you a long time to play your name. but while you were trying to play a name, you experienced the prison culture in kenya at them just bringing fritzy here at 70 in the united states. there's of a punitive idea of what prison is that to do for it. see why do you disagree with that? are the people who are coming to prison, who have committed crimes or maybe innocent?

most of them have had incredible trauma growing up, growing poverty, growing in violent neighborhoods, growing with parents that are so stressed out that are taking out their frustrations out on their children. and when you're a traumatized child, it's very difficult to learn to be social to function in the world. and sometimes though your only options are eventually is to commit a crime. and so when they go into prison, they are treated similarly as they were when they were children in their neighborhoods, in their schools and by their parents. and so instead of rehabilitating them, they're subjected to more trauma and more adversity. and then they're not allowed to heal from what got them there in the 1st place. hey, i want to show you this headlight that makes me smile, but there's some real truth behind it. open prisons in finland are like a holiday camp, but they seem to work. what is holiday camp like with the prisoners that you've worked in peer? why were people say that and, and why does finland have

a different approach to incarcerating prisoners? i so infinity that we have both a close presence and the so called open prisons. so the idea is that once the prisoner has been in the close prison and has gotten rehabilitation, ah, he or she is ready to enter more organ prison environment. and it's very important to go in display step by step closer to the norm of society, to the practices and activities of the normal society. so in open prison, prisoners can study and work outside of the prison and they are come back to the prison at then in the evening. so by her, during the day time, they are supposed to participate in activities outside the prison. the i'm, i'm going to give out with her an example of what that looks like. so this video comes from finland's criminal sanctions agency. and what you see here is

a prison. he has an appointment at i see no boss let's, let's play the video because, you know, i want to see it. so this, this is somebody who's incarcerated. and in his day he has an appointment. he goes out and about he's not wearing a prison uniform. he has his appointment and then he gets himself back to prison at the end of the day p. how does this what? because why wouldn't he just go ok, bye. not go back to prison today. i think our model works in re will and we are internationally known that our, our system works well. and old studies show that the puny geek approach is not working. so our model at ease made to re, to really reduce recidivism and have prisoners re integrate back to the society. and i think we are succeeding. i want to land on this idea of trauma fritzy because

this is something that is really important with compassion, prison project. and, and there's a really important film cold step inside the circle that has been seen so many times. it resonates with educational of facilities with a prism facilities. tell us a little bit about the film because i'm going to show a clip where the incarcerated people that you're talking to, a stepping inside a circle to just set up. what are we about to say? and why we're about to see $235.00 men step inside the circle for each traumatic event that they experienced in their childhood, from violence in the home to sexual abuse, to physical abuse. emotional abuse and parents are caregivers, addicted to drugs or alcohol traumatic brain injury, which isn't on the original adverse childhood experiences quiz. but it's a, it's one of the keys about up to 80 percent of the people in prison have traumatic

brain injury. damage to your prefrontal cortex, which is where all these decisions, these great decisions, ability to learn, negotiate follow instructions, reside. but if you're not in your prefrontal cortex, if you're in survival, you're not able to make these decisions comply with orders. so when you see this circle, you'll see people stepping in for what happened to them when they were children and where always, just one last thing where all we and then all of ro, the video where are we got the name of the present? oh, i'm so sorry. it's in lancaster prison in california. it's also called los angeles community, los angeles county prison. all right, let's take a look while you are growing up during your 1st 18 years of life. yes, a parent or other adult in the household often or very often would swear a do insult. you put you down or humiliate you,

step inside the circle as a parent or other adult in the household often or very often push to grab, slapped or threw something at you. step inside the circle. imprisoned, you're not supposed to show your weakness imprisoned on what to, to want to do, to walk in their circle like and take each step forward. was a reminder to ourselves that we still haven't humanity and we weren't, we'd be loved on most people now. sorry, i don't understand it, we want to change, so we can bring it to society better than what we live for. see how just listened to those incarcerated men. help us understand a different kind of prison system. they need help. they need help. daniel, who was talking right there, he went through unimaginable circumstances,

both before he got to prison. and while he was in prison from being abused by as in foster care, being sexually assaulted, hitting bite with 2 by fours in his head. this man is such a glorious man, but he's had so much to overcome that the odds were stacked against him and the odds are stacked against most of the people in prison. and when we shift from annihilation and dehumanization to compassion and safety, making, the men feel safety and the women feel safe so that they can get back to their cortex. we're going to change the prison system. i paused on my laptop on a tad told that teresa did. it's called what i learned serving time for crime, i didn't commit to raise a what is this scene? what are we seeing here? women ah, in one of the largest correctional facility. ah, here in kenya, coming together he is the hold in don, because this is how they come alive. admitted how they remind of them felt of the

good time before they got locked in and trying to make some, you know, meaning out of the, the hash conditions that they have to endure while they're feeling prism. so when you got out of prison, you vowed to help women and children also who was sometimes put into prison as well because a mother zoe, and imprison, help them survive that experience and then move on. why would you start in terms of improving the situation that they ended up in when they were incarcerated? how do you rethink the prison sent system in kenya? 90 percent of people in prison will definitely be released to come back into the sac and reign to great and continue with their lives and dissolving over a 2nd chance in a country where poverty very rates are very high. you know,

we do not have enough equip, corporate unity. income generating opportunities are very difficult to come by opportunities that difficult to come by and pick my very high for people who are coming out of prison. so it's really difficult to try and get 2nd chances for women and children who are rebuilding the light post imprisonment for a lot of walk. i'd okay thing and asking the culprit was fine believe faith based organizations in the community at lad membrate, those who are coming out of prison. and i must say that in a country where we've criminalized property because that's exactly what we've done . it's the law, it's a bond rebel, it's the marginalized and a very weak amongst asking for fact, who end up in presence in kenya, you will not find those who i reach and of mean in prison. in

a country where we've criminalized property, we really need to do the decrease like human pain. you know, i'm investing people or not increase on because we're really pushing them farther down by sending them to prison, protect your friends. and we're really looking at the, classifying the expect your faces so that, you know, we can give better opportunity and look at better ways of resolving fresh economic issues. because we're trying to resolve the issues it through pre on. and you know, we cannot to his breathing to relieve the responsibility. oh, okay. surely. economic need a proof of that not for that reason. i'm meant to keep up the clock at the faith, you know, but when we're taking the pool and the week, i'd like to say that we cannot read, prosecute conflict and imprison our way out of

a socially shoot. i have so many questions for you. guess 50, you go fast and i'm not, i'm going to show all these questions as they stand by get to the question fits it, go ahead. i just wanted to say that gandhi said, violence is the worst, is a poverty is the worst form of violence. and that's what we're dealing with here. the people in prison, 85 percent of the people in prison, can't afford a lawyer. they, when they're, when they're at trial, what makes you think they can afford anything in prison, much less expensive phone calls and commissary that's overpriced. and so what we're doing is we're taxing the poor, we're punishing the poor for not being able to afford a lawyer. and that's one of the injustices that starts at the beginning. and, but i have to say the criminal justice system and the retribution that happens in our society is based on fight or flight when you're, when something is wrong, we wanna, we want to react and, and fight back. but we're not in our cortex. we're not here,

we're good decisions are made. so we need to take a deep breath and instead of saying what's wrong with you to the incarcerated, say what happened to you and then you'll find out it's a life time of trauma. and that this trauma needs to be healed. p r, i have some a lot security and questions about what's happening in finland. mark see little says, scandinavian countries don't seem to be full of prisons packed to the brim. so that's an observation. well, not yet. there's punishment and there's being cruel to people. so he sees that there's a lack of cruelty in the way that you incarcerate people peer your thoughts. yeah, i think we are, are quite far in developing these rehabilitative prison system. so prisoners are provided quite a lot rehabilitative services during prison time. and we are also interested in the so called trauma informed approach in our present practice. so we very well known

that prisoners have very traumatic i crowns. the latest project i had was actually in a women's prison and i know that women inmates, even warren and men have very traumatic backgrounds. there's a lot of abuse, sexual abuse, and we really have to try to provide them a secure environment during prison time. so that they could heal from their past experiences and the criminal lifestyle in itself is also very traumatic, abusive, very high stress life. so it, it just repeats trauma and prison is not supposed to repeat trauma. ah, that, that is, that is what i think. and a respect, oh, a humane way is out of all staffs approach to our prisoners including

prison officers. so or stanley is supposed to participate in the rehabilitative work. so i'm getting some pushback here, i guess, to your humane approach to prisons. so another, an earlier comment, send them to do hard labor in siberia, another youtube comment right here may prisons are changing environment. so people don't want to go there. i am wondering pierre, of with this a humane approach to prison in finland. what does the public think? what about victims? oh, of course there's a lot of opinions about our system to an o. so inside of our society, but i want to say that or research or says that de punitive approach, it doesn't work or it just skip mathias east prisoners more and it will

increase their recidivism their risk of recidivism. ah, if you have that kind of a prism system, so also from the point of view of victims, i think it's important that offenders are treated in a shimming way. that means that they have the possibility during decrease and time to take responsibility for one head. what they have done faced, the reality faced the reality of their behavior. but all this can be done in a therapist. therapeutic way, i think. so it's not about punishment. it's about making people understand and given them the opportunity to change so that there won't be more victims of i just want to show some pictures that you sent us earlier. peer and, and it's a hospital room. it's not here on my laptop. i'm going to show you the pictures their own video, and it's a, a room or like a dorm room. and it looks like you're at university of there's lots of nice

knickknacks around. can we play that video? let's play it right now. at those 2 pictures back to back because it's very different. no, not these to really get there. eventually. it's the one where you can see the plugs in the wall. it's a smart, it's a smart, a notice a smart prison. and he said very different. it's a very different look to the look that i'm going to show here, which is the prison museum. it's he or my laptop is, is the prism museum in finland, which looks very much like some prisons in the united states army away you are. i've had stuff been a prison cell. you're locked in for many hours of the day. i'm to go back to you cheap. because i was a question for you to res. i'm going to asking to, to answer that question. and the question is about from angie and he's in south see dad, and he wants to know what about people who have been traumatized in prison? how do you get them back to being a andrews? what?

no more. again, tracy, help us out with that one. i'm not saying that it's in her pe, you start and then to raise you pick up because it was because i was in south sedan . so i, i know that theresa knows what, what facilities are available in south sedan to help people get back out of their prison situation. so let me start with theresa. go ahead. theresa. it's, you know, it as, as you've had from my co police. oh, it, you know, when i compare the kind of problems with being in finland for example, and what we have in kenya, and that's not very different from what we have in foutz, daniel, other african country the, you know, what the african prison i deal with chronic and our funding all i and we currently kind of funding been that green about crowding. what condition for those who are imprisoned, lack of basic need and definitely very know we have the program and i do

agree that few need them doesn't want because the more you punish people, the more they repel and rebel from, from the, from the rehabilitation that you're trying to, to, to, to get them. and then of course, mixing the enough and, and the guilty, you know, the, you know, and then come out, how did, and the people on the side is really, really high. and so, and then as i said in the very beginning that trauma continued, years gone, post imprisonment. so what we doing is we really try to you we've got an amazing program called that was from your program, which is that healing program where the women come in sac coast to coast hackers of healing and they've got to shad genuinely ok. they had said that pain and the

really help them healed through the process. i've got one more thought fritzy. i want you to respond to this video. this is adam chon, he was formerly incarcerated in san quentin. he makes this point and then react immediately off the back of it. incarceration not only fails to address the root causes of violence, but in fact, reproduces and concentrates conditions that create violence. and so it's futile to think that we can somehow incarcerate people humanely when incarceration is inherently a violent intro. magic practice. prisoners were originally created as a humane alternative to corporal punishment and torture. but since then, progressive projects have only serve to expand the prison system. the quest for a humane prison makes no sense. absolutely.

and as you may, prison makes no sense. the thing is we have to stop the bleeding. we have to stop. we have to stop. what's happening right now. prisons are military installations. they're basically war zones. and at the incarcerated people are treated as the enemy and the officer. so we, we have to also think about the officers. the life expectancy of an officer is 59 years old. what's happening to their lives, to their families lives, to their communities? lives? prisons are destructive for everyone involved and they're condone by the state is condone by the federal government and, but it's an old pattern and i really don't think we have anyone to blame, but we get, we have to make new decisions now. but he is absolutely right, the way prisons are right now on their destructive, but we have to bring as much help as we can while we figure out what, what can replace the prisons the way they are now? i. so our audience, who's watching right now and you to,

i said they ought to evaluate between prison should be punitive prison, shippy more humane. you have one sentence to persuade them. go ahead in one sentence. when it could be criminal, lie, human pain, invest more in people and not in prison. thank you so much teresa. p at freight, safely part of today's show. and thanks for your you. chill comments as well. i'll see you next time. take care ah, in the year 1271, a young battalion, mitchell, set out on an extraordinary journey. carrying letters from the pope for the great coupla car, marco polo travel through all legions, following dangerous roads from the holy land and beyond. to day taking the shuttle . professor showers, travel from china events with surging questions of how the relationship between

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