a renewal of commitment secretary austin said we had to renew, renew our commitment to intensify momentum and to support ukraine in the long term . and as i said is the, as i said, is the ultimate message being delivered here that this group, that ukraine's allies are standing firm. and that is not going to change in day. that message certainly came through loud and clear. we appreciate that update. alright, as we mentioned, that was us secretary of defense, lloyd austin, meeting with the ukrainian delegation at the ramstein air base in germany. ah, you're watching al jazeera, these are the headlines this our ukraine. second big city cave has been hit by missiles and strike. so the night president, let me zalinski says troops and making advances in the counter offensive to retake cities from russia. gabriel elizondo is following developments from keith

ukrainians. have been pushing the russians back in the northeast or around how to keep and that at least you're getting cautious. optimism signs from ukraine is that this has been a very successful initial stage of this counter offensive. and as we're also seeing from russian bloggers and, and russian sort of micro book bloggers and analysts who have been watching this counter offensive, they appear to indicate that this is definitely that we also indicating the successes so far by the ukrainians. but the fighting there is very, very strong, both sides taking casualties. meanwhile, the united nation says, days, credible evidence rush in forces have sent ukrainian children to russia for adoption. the u. s. as the forced re location and deportation program amounts to a war crime. iranian diplomats and embassy staff are preparing to leave. albania is capital to run a oh, baby, a 7. it's diplomatic ties with the run on wednesday for an alleged cyber attack on

government websites in july and iran has dismissed the claim is baseless and says cutting ties is unwise. the u. s. says it's investigation also found iran responsible for that attack. files detailing the nuclear capabilities of a foreign nation were found at donald trump's residence. that's according to a u. s. media report. if the agents discovered the military defense documents during last month search of the former president florida mention the washington post has no name to which country they belong to. trump is under investigation for unauthorized removal of classified records from the white house and to us congressional delegation has met with taiwan. president sy, in when on a trip to the island, it's one of several us delegations to visit ty, pace in house, big nancy pelosi in august. all right, those are the headlines i'm emily angry and the strain is next.

ah, challenges with oh, i am yeah. okay. you're watching the stream on today's episode, we think kim presence that pope has an impact on the incarcerated. is it possible to have more humane prisons? cat galaxy gets that conversation started. i think one of the biggest misconceptions about prison is that we are harsh and off and that we need to be tougher. we've conditions, longest sentences, and that this will encourage people to not want to commit crime by history has

shown us time and time again. that is, the parts just doesn't work. and if we look at the countries who have the toughest ins, i also have the highest recidivism, right? they have the highest diff rides, because when we trade in people badly and given them not access to the tools, they need to read. she cation technology, good health care. when not enabling them to want to become better members of the community for when they are released. and why are we teaching people how to survive in prison? we simultaneously teach them how to foul in society. all right, let's make, i guess hello fritz. c, m p a and plays i had good to have you on the stream and get you. you to introduce yourself, global audience. tell them what your connection is to prison ritzy you start. hi, thank you for having me on the show. my name is fritzy horseman, i'm the founder and executive director of the compassion prison project. and our mission is to create trauma, inform prisons and communities in the united states and throughout the world. pia

fit to have him please introduce yourself to the stream audience. yeah. hello everyone. my name's be it will go and from finland, i'm forensic psychologist and psychotherapist and i used to work 10 years as a prison psychologist. and now i work as a project manager in the central administration of our present system in our project called smart present project. thank you so much looking forward to hearing more about that and then hello teresa. good to see you. please introduce yourself to a global audience. thank you very much and her low to everyone. my name is to reverend your role gave from kenya. i'm the founder and ceo of a social enterprise called clean thought. we walked and power to good, open dignity to in prison, and for my be imprisoned women and back children. all right, you've met the guess and if you're watching right now you're on youtube, you can be part of the conversation as well. speak to,

i guess. suppose your question or your comment, be part of today's show. i want to start with teresa and, and, and get this thought about your concept of what a prison is bad to do. then takes us along to them. what shall prison culture be like to raise a you have an inside view because of an unfortunate incident that happened to you. that meant that you experienced prison in kenya. tell us more. and what did you say? very inhumane condition, lack of dignity, it tears you a pot. i remember the day i left prison, i was relieved and i was happy that i was leaving that hush environment. that was very difficult for my daughter and i. but the truth of the matter is that very soon, i realized that the happiness and the relief faded away. but that years then mon of trauma continued post imprisonment. the prison crash if you,

it's like long trauma and it just to humanizes you. so i'm going to say site away before i would, it starts commenting. the view was putting to prison for a misunderstanding. it took you a long time to play your name. but while you were trying to play a name, you experienced the prison culture in kenya at them. it has been in fritzy here. certainly in the united states, there's of a punitive idea of what prison is that to do for it. see why do you disagree with that? are the people who are coming to prison, who have committed crimes or maybe innocent? most of them have had incredible trauma, growing up, growing and poverty growing in violent neighborhoods. growing with parents that are so stressed out that are taking out their frustrations out on their children. and when you're a traumatized child, it's very difficult to learn to be social to function in the world. and

sometimes the, your only options are eventually is to commit a crime. and so when they go into prison, they are treated similarly as they were when they were children in their neighborhoods, in their schools and by their parents. and so instead of rehabilitating them, they are subjected to more trauma and more adversity. and then they're not allowed to heal from what got them there in the 1st place. hey, i want to show you this headlight that makes me smile. what are some real truth behind it? open prisons in finland. i like a holiday camp, but they seemed to work. what is holiday camp like with the prisoners that you've worked in peer? why were people say that and, and why does finland have a different approach to incarcerating prisoners? i. so in finance that we have both a close presence and the so called open prisons. so the idea east that once the prisoner has been in the close prison and has gotten rehabilitation, ah,

he or she is ready to enter more open prison environment. and it's very important to go in this way, step by step closer to the norm of society, to the practices and activities of the inaugural society. so in open prison, prisoners can earn study and work outside of the prison, and they come back to the prison. and then in the evening or the or in the day time, they are supposed to participate in activities outside the prison. the i'm, i'm going to give out with her an example of what that looks like. so this video comes from finance, criminal sanctions agency. and what you see here is a prison has an appointment at i see no boss let's, let's play the video because, you know, i went to see it. so this, this is somebody who's incarcerated. and in his day he has an appointments. he goes out and about he's not wearing a prison uniform. he has his appointment and then he gets himself back to prison at

the end of the day p. how does this what? because why wouldn't he just go ok, bye. not go back to prison today. i think oh, muddles lurks in re will and we are internationally known that our our system works well. and old studies show that the punitive approach is not working. so our model at east mate to re do really reduce recidivism and have prisoners re in the greg back to the society. and i think we are succeeding. i want to land on this idea of trauma fritzy because this is something that is really important for the compassion, prison project. and, and there's a really important film cold step in sight. the circle that has been seen so many times. it resonates with educational of facilities with a prism facilities. tell us a little bit about the film because i'm going to show a place where the incarcerated people that you're talking to, a stepping inside

a circle to just set up. what are we about to say? and why we're about to see $235.00 men step inside the circle for each traumatic event that they experienced in their childhood, from violence in the home to sexual abuse, to physical abuse. emotional abuse and parents are caregivers, addicted to drugs or alcohol traumatic brain injury, which isn't on the original adverse childhood experiences quiz. but it's a, it's one of the keys about up to 80 percent of the people in prison have traumatic brain injury. damage to your prefrontal cortex, which is where all these decisions. he's great decisions, ability to learn, negotiate follow instructions, reside. but if you're not in your prefrontal cortex, if you're in survival, you're not able to make these decisions comply with orders. so when you see this circle, you'll see people stepping in for what happened to them when they were children and

where always, just one last thing where all we and then i'll row the video where are we wasn't able to present. oh, i'm so sorry. it's in lancaster prison in california. it's also called los angeles community, los angeles county prison. all right, let's take a look while you are growing up during your 1st 18 years of life. yes, a parent or other adult in the household often or very often would swear to insult you put you down or humiliate you. step inside the circle. if a parent or other adult in the household often are very often twice to grab, slapped or threw something at you step inside the circle imprison. you're not

supposed to show your weakness imprisoned on what to, to want to do day to walk in their circle like kind of take each step forward. was a reminder to ourselves that we still haven't humanity and we weren't to be loved. most people now, sorry, i don't understand it, we want to change. so we can bring it to society. better than what we learn for see how just listening to those incarcerated men help us understand a different kind of prison system. they need help. they need help. daniel, who was talking right there, he went through unimaginable circumstances, both before he got to prison. and while he was in prison from being abused by as in foster care, being sexually assaulted, hitting bite with 2 by fours in his head. this man is such a glorious man, but he's had so much to overcome that the odds were stacked against him and the

odds are stacked against most of the people in prison. and when we shift from annihilation and dehumanization to compassion and safety, making, the men feel safety and the women feel safe so that they can get back to their cortex. we're going to change the prison system. i paused on my laptop when i had told it teresa date, it's called what i learned serving time for crime, i didn't commit to raise a what is this scene? what are we seeing here? women ah, in one of the largest correctional facility. ah, here in kenya, coming together he is the who'd in don, because this is how they come alive. addicted, how they remind of them felt of the good time before they got locked in and, and trying to make some, you know, meaning out of the, the hash conditions that they have to endure while they're feeling prism. so when you got out of prison, you vowed to help women and children also who was sometimes put into prison as well

because their mother zoe, are in prison. help them survive that experience and then move on. where would you start in terms of improving the situation that they ended up and when they were incarcerated? how do you rethink the prison sent system in kenya? arm 90 percent of people in prison will definitely be released to come back into the sack and reign to great and continue with their lives and dissolving over a 2nd chance in a country where poverty very rates are very high. you know, we do not have enough equip, corporate unity. income generating opportunities are very difficult to come by opportunities that difficult to come by and pick my very high for people who are coming out of prison. so it's really difficult to try and get 2nd chances

for women and children who are rebuilding the light post imprisonment for a lot of walk, advocating and asking the corporate was find the lead. faith based organizations in the community at large can break those who are coming out of prison. and i must say that in a country where we criminalize property, because that's exactly what we've done. it's the law, it's a bond, right? both. it's the marginalized and a very weak amongst asking for tacky, who end up in prison in kenya, you will not find those who i reach and of mean in prison. in a country where we've criminalized property, we really need to do the decrease like human pain. you know, i'd invest in people or not increase on because we're really pushing them farther down by sending them to prison, protect your friends. and we're really looking at the,

classifying the expect your faces so that, you know, we can give better opportunity and look at better ways of resolving social economic issues. because we're trying to resolve the issues it through pre on. and you know, we cannot to pre dawn to relieve the responsibility. oh oh, oh, shall economic need a proof of that. not for that. greet those armed men to keep up the co kathy faith . you know, but when we're taking the poor and the week, i'd like to say that we cannot read, prosecute conflict and the prison, our way out all of our shirley shoes. i have so many questions for you. guess 50 you go fasten and i am going to show all these questions as i stand by get to the question for it's go ahead. i just wanted to say that gandhi said, violence is the worst, is a poverty is the worst form of violence. and that's what we're dealing with here.

the people in prison, 85 percent of the people in prison, can't afford a lawyer. they, when they're, when they're at trial, what makes you think they can afford anything in prison, much less expensive phone calls and commissary that's overpriced. and so what we're doing is we're taxing the poor, we're punishing the poor for not being able to afford a lawyer. and that's one of the injustices that starts at the beginning. and, but i have to say the criminal justice system and the retribution that happens in our society is based on fight or flight when you, when something is wrong, we wanna, we want to react and, and fight back. but we're not in our cortex. we're not here, we're good decisions are made. so we need to take a deep breath. and instead of saying what's wrong with you to that incarcerated, say what happened to you and then you'll find out it's a lifetime of trauma. and that this trauma needs to be healed. pia, i have some lot secure. stan, questions about what's happening in finland?

mock see little says scandinavian countries that seem to be full of prisons packed to the brim. so that's an observation. well not yet. this punishment and this being cruel to people. so he sees that there's a lack of cruelty in the way that you incarcerate people peer your thoughts. yeah, i think we are, are quite far in developing these rehabilitative prison system. so prisoners are provided quite a lot rehabilitative services during prison time. and we, we are also interested in the so called trauma informed approach in our present practice. so we very well, no, the prisoners have very traumatic. i crowns. the latest project i had was actually in a women's prison and i know that we meant inmates even more than men have very traumatic backgrounds. there's a lot of abuse, sexual abuse,

and now we really have to try to provide them a secure environment during prison time so that they could heal from their past experiences. and the criminal lifestyle in itself is also very traumatic, abusive, very high stress life. so it, it just repeats trauma and prison is not supposed to repeat the trauma. ah, that that is, that is what i think. and a respect or a humane way is part of all staffs approach to our prisoners, including prison officers. so or stanley is supposed to participate in the rehabilitative work. so i'm getting some pushback here, i guess, to your humane approach to prisons. so an earlier comment. send them to do hard labor in siberia,

another youtube comment right here may prisons are changing environment. so people don't want to go there. i am wondering pierre, of with this a humane approach to prison in finland. what does the public think? what about victims? oh, of course there's a lot of opinions about our system to an o. so inside of our society, but i want to say that or research or says that de punitive approach, it doesn't work or it just skip matthias is prisoners more and it will increase their recidivism. their risk of proceed division. or if you have that kind of a prism system. so also from the point of view of victims, i think it's important that offenders are treated inhumane way. that means that they have the possibility during decrease and time to take responsibility for want

heck, what they have done face the reality face the reality of their behavior. and all these can be done in a therapist. therapeutic way, i think so it's not about punishment. it's about making people understand and given them the opportunity to chains so that there won't be more victims of i just want to show some pictures that you sent us earlier. peer and, and it's a hospital room. it's not here on my laptop. i'm going to show you the pictures their own video of an it's a, a room or like a dorm room. and it looks like you're at university of miss lots of nice knick knacks around. can we play that video? let's play it right now. add those 2 pictures back to back because it's very different. no, not these to really get there. eventually, it's the one where you can see the plugs in the wall. it's a smart, it's a smart, a. notice a smart prison. and he's a very different. it's a very different look to the look that i'm going to show here,

which is the prison museum. it's he or my laptop is, is the prism museum in finland, which looks very much like some prisons in the united states of away you are ivan stuff, been a prison cell. you're locked in for many hours of the day. i'm going to go back to cheap because it was a question for you to raise up and asking to, to ask that question. and the question is about from angie and he's in south see dad. and he wants to know, what about people who have been traumatized in prison? how do you get them back to being a andrews? what? no more again, tracy, help us out with that one. i'm not saying that it's in her pe. you start and then tracy, you pick up because it was because i was in south sea down. so i, i know that theresa knows what, what facilities are available in south sedan to help people get back out of their prison situation. so let me start with theresa. go ahead, theresa it,

you know, it as, as you had from my co finally. oh, it, it, you know, when i compare the kind of problems with being in finland for example, and what we have in kenya, and that's not very different from what we have in 1000 daniel, other african country. the, you know, most of the african prison. i deal with chronic and our funding all i and we currently kind of funding been that green about crowding up. what condition for those who are imprisoned, lack of basic need and definitely very know we have the program and i do agree that few need them doesn't want because the more you punish people, the more they repel and rebel from, from the, from the rehabilitation that you're trying to, to, to, to get them. and then of course, mixing the enough and, and the guilty, you know,

the, you know, and then come out hadn't, and the mom and dad was side is really, really high. and so, and then as i said in the very beginning that trauma continue, years gone, post imprisonment. so what we doing is we really try to you we've got an amazing program called that was no program which is that healing program where the women come in, tackled to call packers of healing and then got to shad genuinely ok. they had said that pain and the really helps them healed through the process. i've got one more thought fritzy. i want you to respond to this video. this is adam chon, he was formerly incarcerated in san quentin. he makes this point and then react immediately off the back of it. incarceration not only fails to address the root

causes of violence, but in fact, reproduces and concentrates conditions that create violence. and so it's futile to think that we can somehow incarcerate people humanely when incarceration is inherently violent and traumatic practice. prisoners were originally created as humane alternative to corporal punishment and torture. but since then, progressive projects have only serve to expand the prison system. the quest for a humane prison makes no sense. absolutely, a humane prison makes no sense. the thing is we have to stop the bleeding. we have to stop. we have to stop. what's happening right now. prisons are military installations. they're basically war zones. and if the incarcerated people are treated as the enemy and the officer, so we,

we have to also think about the officers. the life expectancy of an officer is 59 years old. what's happening to their lives, to their families, lives, to their communities, lives? prisons are destructive for everyone involved and they're condone by the state is condone by the federal government and, but it's an old pattern and i really don't think we have anyone to blame, but we can, we have to make new decisions now, but he is absolutely right the way prisons are right now on their destructive, but we have to bring as much help as we can while we figure out what, what can replace the prisons the way they are now? i. so our audience who's watching right now and you to raise that they ought to evaluate between prison should be punitive prison, shippy, more humane. you have one sentence to persuade them. go ahead in one sentence when it could be criminalized human pain, invest more in people and not in prison. thank you so much theresa. p at fritz

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