with regards to what we call human development, the world has definitely challenges before we have seen some damage. we have seen wars affecting more than one country, actually the entire world. what has happened now and what we are presenting in the report is an uncertainty complex. i mean, so many of these challenges happening at the same time, we saw a decline already because of the climate crisis. a head of the condemning. we have the pandemic force with its impact on health, but also wider impacts with regard to social situations in countries lingering on way beyond, you know, the condemning such. and then of course, the ripple effect the russian invasion in the crate that is also affecting. so here's where we have concerns that it could be more difficult. we really need to double down the investments with regards to human development if we are to support people, but also get back on track and move towards the sustainable development goals that we're going to have promised to deliver on to 2030

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i am some yeah. okay. you're watching the stream on today's episode. rethink him presence. that purpose and impact on the incarcerated. is it possible to have more humane prisons? cat galaxy gets our conversation started. i think one of the biggest misconceptions about prison is that we are harsh enough and we need to be tougher. we've conditions, longest sentences, and that this will encourage people to not want to commit crime by history has shown us time and time again is the parts just doesn't work. and if we look at the country to have the toughest systems i use, i have the highest recidivism, right? they have the highest def, right? because when we treat people badly and given them no access to the tools i need through education technology, good health care, we know, enabling them to want to become better members of the community for when they are

released. and why we're teaching people how to survive in prison. we simultaneously teach them how to fall in society. right, let's meet, i guess, hello fritz. c, p a and plays i had good to have you on the street and get you to introduce yourself like level audience. tell them what your connection is to prison fritzy you start. hi, thank you for having me on the show. my name is fritzy horseman, i'm the founder and executive director of the compassion prison project. and our mission is to create trauma, inform prisons and communities in the united states and throughout the world. pia fit to have him please introduce yourself to the stream audience. yeah, hello everyone. my name's be it will go and from finland and forensic psychologist and psychotherapist, and i used to work 10 years as a prison psychologist. and now i work as a project manager in the central administration of our present system in our

project called smart present project. thank you so much looking forward to hearing more about that and then hello teresa. good to see you. please introduce yourself to a global audience. thank you very much, and hello to everyone. my name is to reverend your real gave from kenya. i'm the founder and ceo of a social enterprise called clean thought. we walked and power to open dignity to imprisoned. and for my be imprisoned women and back children. all right, you met the guess and if you're watching right now you're on youtube, you can be part of the conversation as well. speak to, i guess. suppose your question or your comment to be part of today's show. i want to start with teresa and, and, and get this thought about your concept of what a prison is bad to do. then takes us along to them. what should prison culture be like to raise a you have an inside view because of an unfortunate incident that happened to you. that meant that you experienced prison in kenya. tell us more. and what did you say?

very inhumane condition, lack of dignity, it tears you a pot. i remember that day and left prison. i was relieved and i was happy that i was beeping that hush environment. that was very difficult for my daughter and i. but the truth of the matter is that very soon, i realized that the happiness and the relief faded away. but that years then mon of trauma continued post imprisonment. the prison crashes you, it's like long trauma and it just a human i did you. so i want to say site away before i would, it stops commenting the view we're putting to prison for a misunderstanding. it took you a long time to play your name. but while you were trying to play in an, you experienced the prison culture in kenya at them just been in fritzy here at 70

in the united states. there's of a punitive idea of what prison is that to do for it. see why do you disagree with that? are the people who are coming to prison, who have committed crimes or maybe innocent? most of them have had incredible trauma growing up, growing in poverty, growing in violent neighborhoods, growing with parents that are so stressed out that are taking out their frustrations out on their children. and when you're a traumatized child, it's very difficult to learn to be social to function in the world. and sometimes the, your only options are eventually is to commit a crime. and so when they go into prison, they're treated similarly as they were when they were children in their neighborhoods, in their schools and by their parents. and so instead of rehabilitating them, they're subjected to more trauma and more adversity. and then they're not allowed to heal from what got them there in the 1st place. hey,

i want to show you this headlight that makes me smile. what are some real truth behind it? open prisons in finland. i like a holiday camp, but they seemed to work. what is holiday camp like with the prisoners that you've worked in peer? why would people say that and, and why does finland have a different approach to incarcerating prisoners? and so in finance that we have sort of both a close presence and the so called open prisons. so the idea is that once the prisoner has been in the close prison and has gotten rehabilitation, and he or she is ready to enter more open prison environment. and it's very important to go in this way, step by step closer to the normal society to the practices and activities of the normal society. so in open prison, prisoners can earn study and work outside of the prison, and they come back to the prison and then in the evening. so by the end of the day

time, they are supposed to participate in activities outside the prison. the i'm, i'm going to give out what is an example of what that looks like. so this video comes from finland's criminal sanctions agency. and what you see here is a prison has an appointment at i see no bars. let's, let's play the video because you, you, i want you to see it. so this, this is somebody who's incarcerated. and in his day he has an appointment. he goes out and about. he's not wearing a prison uniform. he has his appointment and then he gets himself back to prison at the end of the day p. how does this what? because why wouldn't he just go ok, bye. not go back to prison today. i think oh, muddles lurks in re will and we are internationally known that our our system works well. and old studies show that the punitive approach is not working. so our model at east mate to lee,

to really reduce recidivism and have prisoners re, india, greg, back to the society and i think we are succeeding. i want to land on this idea of trauma fritzy because this is something that is really important with compassion, prison project. and, and there's a really important film cold step inside the circle that has been seen so many times. it resonates with educational of facilities with a prism facilities. tell us a little bit about the film because i'm going to show a clip where the incarcerated people that you're talking to, a stepping inside a circle to just set up. what are we about to say? and why we're about to see $235.00 men step inside the circle for each traumatic event that they experienced in their childhood, from violence in the home to sexual abuse, to physical abuse. emotional abuse and parents are caregivers,

addicted to drugs or alcohol traumatic brain injury, which isn't on the original adverse childhood experiences quiz. but it's a, it's one of the keys about up to 80 percent of the people in prison have traumatic brain injury. damage to your prefrontal cortex, which is where all these decisions, these great decisions, ability to learn, negotiate follow instructions, reside. but if you're not in your prefrontal cortex, if you're in survival, you're not able to make these decisions comply with orders. so when you see this circle, you'll see people stepping in for what happened to them when they were children and where always, just one last thing. well we and then i'll of ro, the video where are we wasn't able to present. oh, i'm so sorry. it's in lancaster prison in california. it's also called los angeles community visit los angeles county prison. all right, let's take a look while you are growing up during your 1st 18 years

of life. yes, a parent. 2 other adult in the household often or very often would swear to insult you put you down or humiliate you, step inside the circle as a parent or other adult in the household often or very often twice to grab, slapped or threw something at you. step inside the circle, imprison you're not supposed to show your weaknesses in prison. what to? to want to do that to walk in their circle like and take each step forward. was a reminder to ourselves that we still haven't humanity and we weren't to be loved. most people now, sorry, i don't understand it, we want to change, so we can bring it to society. better than what we live for,

see how just listening to those incarcerated men help us understand a different kind of prison system. they need help. they need help. daniel, who was talking right there, he went through unimaginable circumstances, both before he got to prison. and while he was in prison from being abused by as in foster care, being sexually assaulted, hitting bite with 2 by fours in his head. this man is such a glorious man, but he's had so much to overcome that the odds were stacked against him and the odds are stacked against most of the people in prison. and when we shift from annihilation and dehumanization to compassion and safety, making, the men feel safety and the women feel safe so that they can get back to their cortex. we're going to change the prison system. i paused on my laptop when i had told it teresa did, it's called what i learned serving time for crime, i didn't commit to raise a what is this scene? what are we seeing here?

women ah, in one of the largest correctional facility. ah, here in kenya, coming together in this, the, who'd in don, because this is how they come alive. addicted, how they remind of them felt of the good time before they got locked in and, and trying to make some, you know, meaning out of the, the hash conditions that they have to endure while they're feeling prism. so when you got out of prison, you vowed to help women and children also who was sometimes put into prison as well because their mother zoe, and imprison, help them survive that experience. and then move on. where would you start in terms of improving the situation that they ended up in when they were incarcerated? how do you rethink the prison sent system in kenya? 90 percent of people in prison will definitely be released to come back into the

sac and reign to great and continue with their lives and dissolving over a 2nd chance in a country where poverty very rates are very high. you know, we do not have enough equip, corporate unity. income generating opportunities are very difficult to come by opportunities that difficult to come by and pick my very high for people who are coming out of prison. so it's really difficult to try and get 2nd chances for women and children who are rebuilding the light post imprisonment for a lot of walk, advocating and asking the corporate was find the lead. faith based organizations in the community at large can break those who are coming out of prison. and i must say that in a country where we criminalize property, because that's exactly what we've done. it's off, it's

a binary. both. it's the marginalized and a very weak amongst asking for tacky, who end up in prison in kenya, you will not find those who i reach and of mean in prison. in a country where we've criminalized poverty, we really need to do the decrease like human pain. you know, i mean back and people are and not concrete on, because we're really pushing them farther down by sending them to prison, protect your friends. and we're really looking at the classifying the expect your faces so that, you know, we can give better opportunity and look at better ways of resolving social economic issues. because we're trying to resolve the issues it through prison. and you know, we cannot to pre dawn to relieve the responsibility. oh, oh, oh, shall economic need. a proof of that not for that greet. those are meant to keep up

the clock at the faith, you know, but when we're taking the poor and the week, i'd like to say that we cannot read, prosecute conflict and the prison our way out told a socially shoot. i have so many questions for he gets fits, he goes fast and i'm going to show all these questions as i stand by get to the question fits, go ahead. i just wanted to say that gandhi said, violence is the worst, is a poverty is the worst form of violence. and that's what we're dealing with here. the people in prison, 85 percent of the people in prison, can't afford a lawyer. they, when they're, when they're at trial, what makes you think they can afford anything in prison, much less expensive phone calls and commissary that's overpriced. and so what we're doing is we're taxing the poor. we're punishing the poor for not being able to afford a lawyer. and that's one of the injustices that starts at the beginning and,

but i have to say the criminal justice system and the retribution that happens in our society is based on fight or flight when you're, when something is wrong, we want, we want to react and, and fight back, but we're not in our cortex. we're not here. we're good decisions are made. so we need to take a deep breath. and instead of saying what's wrong with you to that incarcerated, say what happened to you, and then you'll find out it's a lifetime of trauma and that this trauma needs to be healed. pia, i have some lot security and questions about what's happening in finland. mock see little says scandinavian countries that seem to be full of prisons packed to the brim. so that's an observation. well, not yet. this punishment and this being cruel to people. so he sees that there's a lack of cruelty in the way that you incarcerate people peer your thoughts. yeah, i think we are,

are quite far in developing these rehabilitative prison system. so prisoners are provided quite a lot rehabilitative services during prison time. and we, we are also interested in the so called trauma informed approach in our present practice. so we very well, no, the prisoners have very traumatic. i crowns the latest project. i had was actually in a women's prison and i know that we went inmates even more than men have very traumatic backgrounds. there's a lot of abuse, sexual abuse, and or we really have to try to provide them a secure environment doing prison time so that they could heal her from their past experiences. and the criminal lifestyle in itself is also very traumatic, abusive, very high stress life. so it, it just repeats trauma and prison is not supposed to repeat that trauma. ah,

that that is, that is what i think. and a respect or a humane way is part of all staff's approach to our prisoners including prison officers. so all stuff is supposed to participate in the rehabilitative work . so i'm getting some pushback here, i guess, to your humane approach to prisons. so an early, an earlier comment. send them to do hard labor in siberia, another you chief comment, right? hair, mate, prisons, a changing environment, so people don't want to go there. i am wondering pierre, of with this a humane approach to prison in finland. what does the public think? what about victims? oh of course there's a lot of opinions about our system to an o. so inside of our society,

but i want to say that or research or says that de punitive approach, it doesn't work or it just is good. matthias is prisoners more and it will increase their recidivism, their risk of pretty division. or if you have that kind of a prison system. so also from the point of view of victims, i think it's important that offenders are treated inhumane way. that means that they have the possibility during the prison time to take responsibility for one hit . what they have done faced, the reality faced the reality of their behavior. and all these can be done in a therapist. therapeutic way, i think. so it's not about punishment, it's about making people understand and given them the opportunity to change so that there won't be more victims. i just want to show some pictures that you sent us earlier peer and, and it's a hospital room. it's not here on my laptop,

i'm going to show you the pictures their own video of an it's a, a room or like a dorm room. and it looks like you're at university of there's lots of nice knick knacks around can we play that video? let's play it right now. add those 2 pictures back to back because it's very different. no, not these to really get there. eventually, it's the one where you can see the plugs in the war. it's a smart, it's a smart, a. notice a smart prison. and he said very different, it's a very different look to the look that i'm going to show here, which is the prison museum. it's he or my laptop is, is the prism museum in finland, which looks very much like some prisons in the united states. i'm away, you are ivan stuff. been a prison cell. you're locked in for many hours of the day. i'm going to go back to cheap because it was a question for you to res. i'm going to ask you to, to ask that question. and the question is about from an jaden,

he's in south see dad, and he wants to know what about people who have been traumatized in prison? how do you get them back to being a andrews? what? no more. again, tracy, help us out with that one. i'm not saying that it's in her pe, you started then theresa you pick up because it was because i was on south sea down . so i, i know that theresa knows what, what facilities are available in south sedan to help people get back out of their prison situation. so let me start with theresa. go ahead. theresa. it, you know it as, as you had from my co panini. oh, it, it, you know, when i compare the kind of treatment with being in finland for example, and what we have in kenya, and that's not very different from what we have in 1000 daniel, other african country. the, you know,

one of the african prison. i deal with chronic and our funding all i and we currently kind of funding been that green about crowding. what condition for those who are imprisoned, lack of basic need and definitely very know we have the program and i do agree that few need them doesn't want because the more you punish people, the more they repel and rebel from, from the, from the rehabilitation that you're trying to, to, to, to get them. and then of course, mixing the enough and, and the guilty, you know that you know, and then come out, hadn't, and the side is really, really high. and so, and then as i said in the very beginning that trauma continued, years gone, post imprisonment. so what we doing is we really try to you'd, we've got an amazing program called that was for naught program which is that

healing program where the women come in tackle, which you call packers of healing and they've got to shad genuinely ok. they had said that pain and the really helps them healed through the process. i've got one more thought fritzy. i want you to respond to this video. this is adam chon, he was formerly incarcerated in san quentin. he makes this point and then react immediately off the back of it. incarceration not only fails to address the root causes of violence, but in fact, reproduces and concentrates the conditions that create violence. and so it's futile to think that we can somehow incarcerate people humanely when incarceration is inherently a violent intro. magic practice. prisoners were originally created as a humane alternative to corporal punishment and torture. but since then,

progressive projects have only serve to expand the prison system. the quest for a humane prison makes no sense. absolutely, a humane prison makes no sense. the thing is we have to stop the bleeding. we have to stop. we have to stop. what's happening right now. prisons are military installations. they're basically war zones. and if the incarcerated people are treated as the enemy and the officer, so we, we have to also think about the officers. the life expectancy of an officer is 59 years old. what's happening to their lives, to their families, lives, to their communities? lives? prisons are destructive for everyone involved, and there's condoned by the state is condone by the federal government. and but it's an old pattern and i really don't think we have anyone to blame, but we can, we have to make new decisions now, but he is absolutely right the way prisons are right now on their destructive. but

we have to bring as much help as we can while we figure out what, what can replace the prisons the way they are now? i. so our audience, who's watching right now and you to raise that they ought to evaluate between prison should be punitive prison, shippy more humane. you have one sentence to persuade them. go ahead in one sentence when it could be criminal, lie, human pain, invest more in people and not in prison. thank you so much. teresa. p at fred, safely part of today's show. and thanks for your you. chill comments as well. i see next time. take care. ah witness fusion? witness. clarity, witness. family. i'm witness. friends. witness the beginning. witness. the end.

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