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i now invite the witnesses to his majesty's oath, to sign both copies of the instrument. ah oh. oh.
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while we watch this, assigning at the end of the year the ceremony, let's bring in once again, royal biographer, christopher wilson, chris ross watching, watching your expression there. as you said, a little earlier, this is the 1st time that even a scene. this sir, the ceremony before i knew you were absolutely fascinates. i could, i could that, that the look the expression on, on your face. what, what did you make of, of what you saw the well, there were several moments which struck me. i think the 1st i was foot charles
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has a new signature or when he had finished writing charles, he then put, ah, at the end of his name, oh, for rex. i am king. okay, i'm, i'm sorry, he has never run my sorry, sorry to interrupt you once again, but with a penny morton to stay here again. that little signing part of the ceremony is over for the moment this listener be transmitted to the court of session to be recorded in the books of severance, and afterwards lodged in the state papers of scotland and in the council register. approve draft order in council, determining the form of proclamation for proclaiming your majesty in the realms and in the british overseas territories. draft of an order in council authorizing the lord chancellor to make use of the great seal for sealing all things whatsoever that past the great seal. until another great seal. be prepared
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and authorized the crew draft of an order in council authorizing the lord privy seal. if need be to make use of the existing privy sale until another privy sale is prepared and authorized, approved drafts of 3 orders in council authorizing your majesty's principal secretaries of state, the lord, chancellor of the exchequer. and the chancellor of the dutchy of lancaster to use the existing seals until other seals be prepared and authorized brew draft of an order in council authorizing your majesty's secretary of state for northern ireland to make use of the existing great seal of northern island until another seal, be prepared and authorized,
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approved draft of an order in council authorizing your majesty's 1st minister of scotland to make use of the great seal of scotland until another great seal of scotland be prepared and authorized. approve draft of an order in council authorizing your majesty's 1st minister of wales to make use of the existing welsh thiel until another well seal. be prepared and authorized groom draft of an order in council authorizing the public seals authorizing the respective pup public seals. lately in use elsewhere than in the united kingdom to be made you solve until new seals be prepared. and there use duly authorized, approved draft of an order in council, confirming your majesty's wishes in relation to the sovereign grant act,
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2011. to continue the tradition of surrendering the hereditary revenues, including the crown of state to your government for the benefit of all. in return for the sovereign grant, which supports your official duties as head of state and head of nation. crude. draughts of 2 proclamations one appointing, the day of her late majesty's state funeral as a bank holiday in england, wales and northern ireland to appointing the day of her late majesty's state funeral as a bank holiday in scotland and of 2 orders in council. directing the lord chancellor to affix the great seal to the proxy proclamations approved. i now invite your majesty to sign both proclamations
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and that your majesty concludes today's business for the council.
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may i now invite the deputation partly party and the witnesses to the oath, to exit by the picture gallery and the matted whole as that ceremony draws to a close lead st. bringing once again, royal biographer, christopher wilson, who was watching all of that with us. a christopher, i'm sorry, with his right to to work early. it tells me what, what's actually happening now at the, the end of the ceremony. what, what we saw a few moments ago, which is laid out. well, i think of it just before i get to that, i just want to say that this is also something you've never seen before. but it's
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what happens on a regular basis. the privy council take draft orders to the king or queen and he has se proved and a privy council sometimes have to go to scotland to about moral to sandringham in order to be able to get this done. because a sovereign doesn't always want to come to london. and dick crossman, or a labor cabinet minister in the 900 sixty's root, bitterly in his memoirs that he had to get on the train and go away to bow a moral wasn't even given lunch, just simply so that the queen could say, approved, approved, approved that he had to go on the train and come back to london. so what we're saying is something that's never been seen before. the privy council offering stuff up for the queen to approve. it came to approve and he's done that. i just couple of observations. i quickly like to make the it was interesting see that when child
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sign he was actually a novice because this moment they appended his name, his signature to the proclamation that was actually when he officially became king . and, and he looked pretty, a pretty nervous about that i thought. and one other point you may be confused by that rub, a lengthy statement he made about the church of scotland, but you got to remember the king james. the 2nd was a rep and catholic and in scotland and the establishment of the church of scotland over and above the roman catholic church is a terribly important issue even hundreds of years later. and that's why we got that rather lengthy statement about the church scholar. so christopher, what, what happens now? well, i wish i could tell you, but i wasn't around 70 years ago to witness was kept
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a god. so i can't actually tell you that. but you know this, this ceremony has been very well rest. although i got say, if you look at this sir image here are the, the helpful people who are there to assist the signature of this, say, put the ink well in the wrong side. so poor charles is having to try and or write his signature around an inc, well, which had been put in the wrong place, but he de matter suit, carry that off pretty well, i thought, and he turns that his signature had changed. yes, it is now charles ah, charles rex. and that is something else which he probably has been practicing on a blank piece of paper in his office just to make sure he gets it. absolutely right . you know, it is, this is new for him as well as for us. and i was seeing stuff that hasn't been seen
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for 70 years and then only to a limited number of people. and so, you know, and he had no rehearsal in this it's, it's a, it's something it only happens once. and that was him only a principal politicians adding their names. and this is their signature. this is a very important part of history because what it's doing is it's laying down for people in 2030400 years time to see who is witness to this new carridy an age. and as far as what's going on outside saint james's palace or the motor is concerned, we will at some point have a, a proclamation read from the balcony that we can see in the back. yes. and are the gods i can't see from their buttons, which ones they off. but they're here to protect the proclamation. make sure that
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nobody climbed over that balcony and stops it from happening. i don't think that's gonna happen, but it's a very important part of ceremonial. and at the same time we will be a fanfare. and and as we heard is as part of the, the sorority petty morton giving instructions for guns to be fired at hyde park. and, and in the tower of london. yes, that's going to be colossal. if you're ever near those guns, when they go off, they're absolutely deafening. and even when you're standing behind the gun, you are letting it off with a sodium. it still absolutely they will weigh m air baths or whatever, not a must, but that they put something there is because at the shock of these guns is absolutely colossal. and in hyde park guns, particularly echoed through the streets of london. and you can actually feel the impact of these guns going off. it's really
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a quite awesome crystal. i'm so glad to have had you with us while we were watching this. i know you're, you're staying on for, for a while longer yet. but i just, before we move on, i, but what is, what is your, what's the main take away from this for you? what was, what was that, that the, the most special, most important part for you personally of what we just witness. i think it was when the king said, i dedicate what remains of the rest of my life to you. and that was not only a solemn declaration, but an acknowledgement that he is achieved kingship. in the last few years of his life that his reign will be short. and i was very moved by that because it is an acknowledgment that you know, we must all pass and that's her. one day there will be king william on the throne, but for the moment we have king charles the 3rd christopher,
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for the moment. many thanks, indeed, royal biographer, christopher wilson, beth in our london studio. let's bring it out as here as joan a hole who has been listening to all of that, he's outside of buckingham palace. a jetta? what's? what's the mood? well, it's not entirely clear what the choreography of events is. now the proclamation will be read from the balcony outside. sir james is palace and at some point king charles the 3rd, along with queen consort camilla will make his way back to buckingham palace. and i say that only because i can see that the route here has been cleared to allow his medicaid to make that very, very short journey. it is now thrown with people a roadway outside the palace and the route down the mouth. and some james is palace,
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so i think we can expect at some point, that journey to be made. we saw granted the guard band passing here a short while ago, part of the pageantry and ceremony that will accompany the king from some james's palace. back to buckingham palace and of course they will also be a gun salute as you were talking about there in hyde park and far away from us here . also, we have a bridge that was signed off as one of the orders of council read out there by penny mordant, and approved by king charles just a short moment ago. and if you can see behind me that you can't actually, the wind has died down, but the flag on the flag on the flagpole on the top of buckingham palace there. yesterday, it was the union flag. it changed the moment. charles arrived here in buckingham palace. it is now the roll standard to accompany the queen, wherever she said it will now accompany him. of course, his new official residence people continue to arrive at buckingham palace. jonah.
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well i want to say yes because i know that they are, and i saw them arriving in huge numbers yesterday at this moment. things are pretty controlled. the routes in and out of this area are now being controlled. as i say, the road is being kept open for the king and his entourage to make their journey. but at this very time yesterday they were crowds hoards and holes of people making their way across. hyde park from green park station down constitutional hill, them out and so on. and i have no doubt whatsoever, particularly it being a weekend that the same thing will be happening. all right, jonah, for the month and many thanks. john. i live at buckingham palace in central london . i want to bring in know, mcdermott, now he's been waiting patiently to to speak to us. no good to have with us you only a psychotherapist mental health specialist you are in birmingham. and i mean,
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there are several aspects here that i want to talk to you about in, including britain's reaction to the death of the case. the queen collective brief if you'd like. but 1st of all, i'd like to ask you about about the pressure at the moment that the new king is on those. we heard christopher saying a few moments ago that he could detect that he was, he was actually nervous, which is very unusual for a man who's quite used to being in the public high and dealing with, with high pressure events. what in the midst of grease he's having to deal with all of this pressure right now. what do you make, what do you think will be going through his mind? it's really challenging stuff and my heart goes to the guy who's just lost his mom . and i think understanding that human level is really important, but i guess a part of him is still wanting to do the right thing, which is, i think a normal reaction. most of us have me lay somebody that we love is that we want to
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do things in a way that's respectful to their memory. and i'm guessing that that part of it's not this. you know, for him. i mean, it takes awhile before anybody comes to time with the loss of the parents on a loved one, test or alive in our mind for some time back to. and i'm sure in his mind at the moment his mom still very much alive and time and she's watching him. and i thought for myself, fitting emotional bang, his name is not a full. no, he's part of a generation. also perhaps that embodies that the british stiff upper lip attitude, isn't it the people don't, but shows that emotions work, whereas perhaps in a way that the younger generation does. yeah, i'm part of the oh, the stiff upper let. and you just so mind me a little bit that tell you something about what's going on. it's also have very months from, you know,
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residential school setting. so that particular culture within my school by a reservation. but i think this particular family were saying clients of significant transition around the machines over the time by elizabeth was on trying to keep you look at his 2 sons, very much champions of mental health and vulnerability and being up and discussing things. so clearly, charles has learned from his own kids in the way that i think many parents have had to learn as their kids become more psychologically and emotionally escape. what about the collective grief of a nation? of course, for many people, the queen was someone they never met, but who was a constant presence throughout their lives. so many people it, it'll be, it'll be a bereavement in the same way as, as, as losing a grandparent of
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a treasure. family member. what i say staple is classic, give yourself permission to have whatever feelings they need to have about this and don't judge them. there's a thing called disenfranchised grief, which can sometimes happened at times by sending so sort of thing that say, and the parent, the grandparent, if their son or daughter lose is a partner or child, they may feel like i'm not lying to have grief for the culture like to have grief because you feel minutes and even even if it's someone but you never but you've never met. absolutely, it doesn't matter whether you've met somebody or not. what happens psychologically, one of the greatest assets habits human beings is forming emotional attachments to others. whether we've met them or not, i mean fact forming emotional attachments to inanimate objects, such as teddy bears. we can form emotional attachments to animals and plans. it's
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what we do with human beings. it's a celebration of being a human being that way can experience loss. and if you look at how politically have probably just, what's the beginnings of human culture are measured by that playing to which we can say when people start to have bereavement, rituals such as graves and market grays, etc. so it's a celebration of your humanity give you have savings, i think overall. so some people may, may surprise themselves in that, that they don't think, well, they don't think of themselves as a markets or supporters of the family, but also said, yeah, it's this, it's this constant presence in your, in your life. you're saying that the fact that that the queen, i'm 57 years old, the queen has always been that throughout my life, it is like, like losing a grandparent. it really is. and, and what it's saying to people is that the distinction between the human individual
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human response, but he may have and any thoughts, you have a bank institution extent and let survey institution just drift away while you go through a human and humane experience and experience, whatever is whatever feelings that you have with bank judgment on them and to rely because the 2 things that can guarantee in life that we're going to be born and that we're going to die. these are fundamental human experiences. and somebody has died have been around and a constant in our minds for a long time on similar arrange to you and to be indifferent to that would be slightly odd. and also there's another process going on, which is empathy. so even if i don't seem to venture with a strong attachment to the situation, i probably know other people do and i can empathize with their feelings and provide support. and again, that's of
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a fantastic skill and capacity that we have as human beings and something that we should celebrate the politics institution, they passing on those types of conversations all equally valid, but don't confuse them with just being a human being that has feeling well and it's really good to talk to you many thanks to being with us and i'll just hear that. so psychotherapist know that someone else has been waiting for a while to talk to us as patrick von and cultural historian, social commentator, he joins us now live from london. good. have you this one moment? what do you think patrick, of, of, of what you've been seeing over the over the past hour? what does it meant for you? well, i think as you rule common taste mentioned about this ceremony for king charles been sworn him for the 1st time with or seen this process and that to seen the privy council. and if you look, if you looked at the screen,
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you saw form and puma prime ministers and paris. no, the 1st month's us got loans of in of city con merrill london, there to scotland, who's in charge of the commonwealth. i mean, honestly, members of the concert to from bench under the good trees and what it may was that the majority of the wo, while milken men and it come to root a different world out there really, it tells you the power bases of britain and how do you think that will be viewed by the rest of the world? cornwell, countries in particular, patrick, more african, it's, it's, it's a reminder about the establishment to remind you about the, in the nature of britson, where the power is and doesn't reflect the diversity and the demographics of
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britain and the commonwealth privy council. i am still has jurisdiction of a 14 come to the come up. i'm so sorry to interrupt you, but we're good. we're going back to st. james palace where we've seen a fanfare. a played there by the trumpeters from the lifeguard center. that proclamation about to be read that sussman. 6 ah ah ah ah
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great, what about for the company? both up very well looks like oh yeah, like the bomb of it. what he what route? 3. 0 around battery. right. was there a 2nd?
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i what control the time it oh oh. well, that's good news .
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it is coming up to 10 o'clock g m t a we all live in london. absent, james is palace, where at the new king, king charles a 3rd has been proclaimed as king. we've already seen it on t v. this is a kind of formal public corporation that's about to happen. and it, at that point there will be a series of conflicts across london listening to what's going on ah, ah.

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