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no again. i am fully battle with the headlines on al jazeera, the prime minister of armenia says at least 49 soldiers have been killed during fighting overnight with azerbaijan. nicole pashley on is addressing the armenian parliament in yerevan right now. leaders are working to stabilize. the situation is the latest flare up in fighting between the 2 countries. after sci fi ended, a 6 week war in 2020 russia is acknowledging huge losses in ukraine's northern khaki region. moscow admits its forces have been outnumbered. in the past week, the ukrainian president says every take in 6000 square kilometers this month. unless say it may signal a turning point in the war. dignitaries from across africa are in and i will be for the nor gratian of kenya's. president william router narrowly won the election in
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august, the ceremonies being held a week after the supreme court upheld his victory. malcolm webb is in i will be for the ceremony. i just love the career just arrived and it was just a week ago, a bit of a ruling more holding the result. was it on the resume with her or rather loads rigging zoom, said his position. others didn't resent enough evidence or the result was enrolled . that's why these middle grayson guy today, mourners in scotland have been paying their respects to queen elizabeth the 2nd at saint charles sca piedro in edinburgh. the queen's coffin will then be flown to london. it will then be transported to buckingham palace. on wednesday the coffin will be taken to the palace of westminster, where it will lie in stateful 4 days before her funeral. iran says is ready to
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corporate with the un nuclear watched on to revive the 2015 nuclear deal. it comes after the international atomic energy agency released a report saying it could not guarantee a peaceful nature of to iran's nuclear program. and the head of the roman catholic church is on a 3 day trip to kazakhstan after doctors warned him not to travel to ukraine. fort francis will take part in a larger inter religious summit with delegates from 50 countries in the capital nor sultan. he says he plans to bring a message of peace and dialogue to central asia. you're upset with headlines on al jazeera. i'll be back with more news right after inside story to stay with us. which side is willing to pay us or control? ah, what does the new forever mean for america and nato? as long as americans keep consuming? prices are gonna keep going up. why didn't joe biden, the inflation comic? how do you get so much raw?
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the quizzical good us quantities. the bottom line ukraine says if regains territory at boss several regions, including car keys, a significant set spot for russia. so is this a turning point in the conflict? and how will moscow respond? this is inside store. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully by t bowl. after nearly 7 months of fighting ukraine has finally begun to regain some of the territory it lost to russia. it says its forces are continuing their rapid advance in several areas, including the northern khaki region in the past few days. forcing moscow to pull back its forces is raised the question of how far they can go. now, in response to those gains, ukraine says russia is attacking its power and water supplies in khaki,
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official se missile strikes calls blackouts in several areas, including the main city. power was restored in de ne pro petrov don't yeske and so me by midnight on sunday, but khaki remained in darkness. an estimated $9000000.00 people were affected, including in areas controlled by russia, that despite the days of battlefield setbacks, the kremlin stop spokesman, insist the war is on track saying the special military operation is underway and will continue until the goals that have been set are achieved al jazeera hold abdul hamid has more now from concave. since the beginning of september, the ukrainian army has been carrying out this counter offensive in the north east of the country, taking by surprise everyone, especially when it comes to the speed at which it has been able to recapture territory occupied by the russian army. some 3000 square kilometers,
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according to the chief of staff here. now the russians on their side as saying that they're actually pulling out and regrouping to concentrate on de dumbass region, further east in ukraine, a. but it seems that the ukraine had manage to trick the russia in the sense that they were talking about it counter offensive in the south of the country and this kind of son, region. and some are saying that the russians had actually pull out some of the troops from this side of the country to be their presence in this hand sewn region . nevertheless, at this point, the ukrainians have managed to reach some strategic down like to piano is you, if they manage to fully control those down. well they're, it's a big blow for the russians. we use those places as logistical hubs and backup for the troops that are based in the don't last region. the question now is,
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will they be able to hold all this territory and what is russia next step already? russia has shown that it will continue hitting cities. critical infrastructure was struck plunging car keys and other regions here in the east, in darkness. just yesterday, people here wondering what would be the next move hunt up the need for inside story . while russia has acknowledged its losses in ukraine's northern concave region, a russian installed official says ukrainian forces out numbered russian troops in the counter offensive retaking ways of land. since early september, ukrainian troops have advanced rapidly areas that took wash a month to seize, have been retaken in just stays, ukrainian flags, and now flying in the cities of is you and compounds both on railway lines that serve as a surprise, vote for russian troops. ukraine says it has also made gains in the south me a care song, but at a slower pace. ah,
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well, it's bringing our guests now innovative, mikhail o vanessa key, political commentator and professor at the national university of keith, mal hiena academy in moscow. victor olive h, his a lead expert at the center for actual politics and in oxford, samuel romani, associate fellow at the royal united services institute. gentlemen, welcome to you. thank you very much for joining us on inside story me, kyla, in live it, let me start with you if i can. remarkable advances by the ukrainians. how have they been able to make these breakthroughs so quickly? well, in fact we've been, i mean, at the end of the day we've been preparing for this for a very long time. as you mentioned in the 1st segment of the program, we were expecting an an account or advance or a counter attack in the so, ah, clearly that has probably diverted some of the russian forces away from defense around the northeastern part. it is important to note that the people that are
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actually on the ground liberating are the areas of khaki august are actually not regular army soldiers. these are people from the territorial brigades. in other words, these are people that volunteered after the re 24th. they received significant amounts of training in the last 6 months and they're very, very motivated to, to liberate, liberate their, the occupied lands of their country. and i think i also want to say that the fact that it has been going very quickly has actually been a surprise not only to those of us that are observing it, it's actually been a surprise to the ukrainian central command. they were expecting this offensive to last until the end of september. well, as we see, it's got a lot quicker than expected. a lot of really motivated people, what's happening or later in their favor. you think? well there's, there's 2 things. first of all, they've got a lot of support from the local local population. i mean, the local population that you have listed has no desire to be occupied by the russians, and they are obviously greeting the crating forces as liberators. secondly,
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the ukrainian have a strategy of attack and not a strategy of military action and that has been proven very effective. it's a strategy of decentralization strategy of if you like, network kind of of actions. central commanders give sort of general directions and then the people on the ground themselves are making the decision. and i imagine motivated very well, i imagine the military support provided by the west has also health, but we'll come back to that in just a moment. let me bring in victor. in moscow, victor rushes admission of a withdrawal in is you miss significant because this was, of course, a major military hub for moscow. the russian say they are regrouping, but i wonder how is this being viewed in moscow? what is the reaction there? and how is the kremlin explaining the setbacks? well, this is not the 1st set back in russia's military operation,
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ukraine. in the last 6 months, several months ago, russian forces retreated from the kia from the areas of ki, of, and she didn't go regions that they controlled. later on the mean, the island has been had been lost by the russian forces. and now we are witnessing a retreat from the credit of a region from those areas of the region that russian forces controlled. this is being openly discussed on various panels, and this is being open and discussed on the russian television in the russian media . there are different reactions, but what is important to state is that russia is not going to be defeated on the battlefield. russia is the great power and you cannot afford
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a military defeat. but how is the russian defense when explaining these retreats? how is it justifying these retreats? well, the russian defense ministry is being tight lipped. it is saying that it has happened to prevent a large loss of personnel, and that is about it. but it is being discussed on various levels. and it is, again, it is important to note that this is not the end of russia's efforts in the ukraine . and russia will continue with special military operation, ukraine until it either it each is its goals that are set in the beginning, which has to be very difficult at this point to, to the forecast or if a solution, if a diplomatic solution, okay, is found between a solution that would involve 4,
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thrasher, the west, and the ukraine family. rational, foreign minister should be a lover of a just yesterday said the thrush, still looking for a diplomatic solution to this crisis. come about the solution and, and whether talks can still happen at this stage. samuel romani, let me bring it, bring you into the conversation. as victors said, there is not the 1st time that we're seeing a retreat from russian forces. how significant are these recent gains by the ukrainians in the wider conflict? is it even more significant? do you think than the russian retreat from from keys back in march? well, the rush retreat grew here. back in march was a major. we hello ration of the mission and mark the end of phase one of what they call the special military operation. and the start of phase 2, so implicitly meant that for the perceivable future regime, changing here the overthrow zalinski and is replaced by a pro russian figure for janet colbert. you richard made the joke or someone else who had more grassroots support not possible. so those them are very significant,
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significant for different reasons. when it comes to the ab, if we see events in car keith, the russians say military establishment, pierce, we have been blindsided because you see it from brush and telegram brush. military experts were warning that when you read was doing, curzon was up only the 1st phase of the operation was a bit of a think the real focus would be on a bliss for car cave appeared, is that the russian defense industry was caught off guard and now they lost their supply lots, so it's quite complicated also for their campaign. danielle, we get coupons can, is you are very important for the events of operations that they're carrying out in places like my code and soda. and it's also coincided with ukraine bridging into lehman, potentially. i mean that russia and on ganske will be fighting an offensive operation . and now events of operation at the same time. so take me, samuel, what, what are the russians missing right now? well, strategically, one of the things i think the having a bit of difficulty with is now supply lots and again after region triggered the sad because we've seen and my 26 helicopters which can carry. but he 1930 by birth
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now being carried over to bring civils reinforcements, indic harkey. but the problem is those helicopters are very vulnerable to man pads and other ab defensive equipment that the ukrainian demand she get from nato countries. so they're having a bit of difficulty now in terms of making sure they don't have a repeat of what's happening curves. andrea 20000 troops stuck there. and all the bridges are destroyed and trying to build the pontine very in the running and stack that too. and that, that's her initial problem, i think right now. and also they need careful but where the gritty encounter vents is going to happen next. some people think it may go through bullet are and indeed on yet, there's apparently a movement to lou hans allegedly if you believe the could last governor. so he had i italy's, his chance, and in his campaign incurs on you can make up for multiple axes or my unexpected to concentrate on one and leave russia blindsided again. so guessing you raise next move is very difficult for the russians. ok, well let's take a look at as the sort of support ukraine has been getting from the way our
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ukraine's recent gains have been largely due to the huge amount of western military aid is received in the past few months. let's take a closer look at the numbers in total, more than 30 countries have provided military equipment. the u. s. has contributed the most by far with at least $12500000000.00 in military aid. poland follows behind supplying weapons worth $1830000000.00, and the u. k. has pledged the 3rd largest amount with weapons worth $1360000000.00 . but ukraine's president has appealed for more funding, saying the monthly cost of defense was about $5000000000.00. mikaela vanessa key. i saw you shaking your head there. you don't seem to agree with me that that western military support is indeed what is helping ukraine right now. regained the territory off. no, i, i, i, i, i agree with you that muster military support is absolutely key and then we are,
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we are receiving them. we're very grateful for the fact that we're receiving a very large amount of ammunition of, of, of, of equipment, et cetera. and this is one of the reasons that i, i vehemently disagree with victor who says that the russian army cannot be defeated on the battlefield. it can be defeated and we will see its defeat in the next little while. the important thing to understand is that this particular gain in hockey, in fact, was not really supported by western military equipment on the western military equipment that has come into the country was concentrated largely in the south in the castle region. and it has been used for, for example, the high mar systems. in other words, the multiple rockets are very, very accurate model. rocket systems have been used for attacking supply lines in the so in the eastern part of the country in the northeast, specifically, we've been seeing actually a battle basically with all. so read your equipment because these have been, as i mentioned before, the territorial brigades that are actually doing the fighting. yes, they have some man pads. yes, they have some, some a, some of the mobile equipment,
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some a javelins and that sort of thing that were supplied at the beginning of the war. but this is not really recent stuff or what is i think really phenomenal is that if we look at the amount of captured russian equipment in the last 2 weeks, those numbers, the number of inch tank or excuse me, over 80 personell or personnel carriers tank weapons and ammunition, actually, our numbers, the amount of aid that we've been getting from the west soon back. the largest supplier of military equipment to the ukranian armed forces at the moment is rush victor, your response? well, russia cannot afford a defeat in the ukraine because a defeat in ukraine would mean a very serious political consequences in russia itself. and of course, russia is going to do everything can and the russian forces are going to do their utmost to prevent a defeat. how do they do that?
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how do you do that when it seems to be short on weapons, short in ammunition and also shorter soldiers? how are they going to achieve this objective? what the objectives of this special operation as they calling it, the initial objectives of the special military operation that were outlined by the russian president in february at this point, difficult to achieve. the objectives now are somewhat more limited and where, but we see the same. you see, we see a very bellicose rhetoric from both sides, a rhetoric which cannot be realized on the front when we discuss russian objectives from february 24th and the how unlikely that they will be achieved in the near future. we have to also look at the objectives that ukrainian officials are putting before their forces to be and how unrealistic those objectives are. we see
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ukrainian officials who say that their objective is to take crimea or to take the don't. yes, can look on the screen agents. there is something very different about crimea and that then you can look as creatures from, from the company, kind of different things just doing the green, green forces. me kind of fun for you. let me explain for us. what's different, they just kind of run ration. it's not about taking crimea or taking the next. it's about liberating those areas that have been occupied by russia since 2014. and this has nothing to do with ethnicity or language. and i do want to say that one of the original objectives of the special military operation, in fact, invasion was demilitarization. well, my dear russian friends, you're doing a wonderful job of it. you're demilitarised yourself on ukrainian soil and in fact supplying the ukrainians with your wonderful weapons. and at this point,
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running away from the battlefield. b, objective of liberating occupied territories on the korean side has not changed since 2014. it's something that we have been ongoing and, and, and going after in a very crimea is ukrainian. so, okay, so now before i bring you back into the conversation, i'll just allow victor to respond to, to what mikaela her has just said, they're the objective. and also mikaya, i want to hear from you whether to ship will still think this is, this is a special operation in russia because this is now and all out war from, from the looks of it, the official ukrainian statements on the need or the wish to the back crimea are militarily unrealistic, this is not going to happen. what's happening is that both sides are setting up on the elliptic objectives. and it seems that, ah, the one of the ways though, still open to resolve this conflict is a diplomatic solution. but that solution,
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the diplomatic solution is only going to be able to be achieved. if the west ah seeks gives it the green light, it was the ukrainian side, and it was the west that brought an end. so then you go, she, she, you go, she shes process. okay. it was launched in billers in the, in the early march and then continued in istanbul in turkey, semi of the ukrainian side that left those negotiations. okay. accusations and counter accusations, of course, when it comes to who left the negotiations and who doesn't want to talk, samuel, i want to bring you into the conversation on that point of negotiations. do you think now is a good time to resume talks and negotiations to end the conflict, or is ukraine now in a position that it feels that it no longer needs to negotiate? well, i think that there's been an extra bit of radicalization on both sides. so we look at some of the rhetoric, even in russia, after the i defeating her cave. you see people like to but she made video from the
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security council talking about how our ultimate goal of the total capitulation of ukraine and the ultimate m. that as lindsey calls them, that we offered them are just like children's play. on the other hand, you see the ukranian saying that the zeal used dialogue with russia until because we need to focus on that reading all of our territory include right now. yes, and today, given the fact that there's an extra other extreme rhetoric on both sides against evaluations, i think he's going to be very, i'm likely to see diplomacy in dialogue. come forward. the rushing terms in particular seem to be quite unrealistic. you needless, julianna's slootsky for the state duma. they're talking about the complete unification of ukraine, which would imply effectively. so in scab dictating as i'm kind of a regime change or some kind of extinction extinguishing of ukrainian culture is under. great. so there's a bit of a, not a real sense of masculine hang from russia. i think that it's unlikely that we'll see v socks being held. turkey has expressed some optimism that we could have talks based on the back to rain deal to apply to other dieters. i did operation nuclear plant and then maybe towards a broader settlement, right. but they seem to be sent
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a loan on that one. so, and i also think the rinney's now have a sense of confidence that they can really win this militarily, even if it takes months or even more longer than that. and i think that is going to be ultimately yeah, going to be fought on the battlefield. not the bargaining table, and how se, samuel, do you think putting in is in all of this, they seems to be cracks now in the narrative? well, their critics narrative at the cracks of the narrative are not coming from liberal set, is not the alexi. novalis is not people having anti war demonstrations. the cracks are coming from the hard liners, the one eyed she really russia. exactly. one is the rush of all the way to here. russia where, when this war with the maxwell objective there were stated by hootin in february 24th. and also many people who are calling now for a total mobilization to like the former gun mass commander eager structural. gov gurkin and grenze and could europe, who want a revaluation of the russian ministry defenses strategy. and a lot of the blame is in place, answer gay, shy girl, who is
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a civilian. he's an emergency minister. he wasn't actually a military personnel and not necessarily on the head of vladimir putin at this time . right. that hooton's seems to be shielded from some of the criticism. it's going more to the defense ministry. all right, victor, in moscow, there isn't a talk of total mobilization from the hawks in russia. are we going to see a conscription now of russian soldiers and are russians to ready to fight for russia? the russian government at this point is not looking to ah, to impose thought or less modernization in russia. this would have a significant consequences for the russian economy. it would take a number of far able bodied men from other positions at various russian, ah, economic or industrial organizations and put them on the front. russia is also, i would also have to provide all of those are new conscripts with weapons systems.
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ah, and are there military equipment at this point? this may simply not be available. so rushing, how are they going to win, as well as a special note that they're ation? well, at this point, at this point, it is important for russian not to be defeated. and ross is going to do its utmost not to suffer a defeat in ukraine. you see a lack of a defeat. the ukraine does not mean the issue is not the same as achieving all of the goals that were sat out on february 24th. so both sides are essentially both the russians said in the ukrainian sites are the goals that, that were initially cetera. now being said by the ukrainian side or on video istic, it is a, again, i will it be it. it is a car to imagine that the rushing, the near future will be able to get 80 seemed change in key f. in the same time. it is highly unlikely that the ukranian said will be able to achieve all of the military goals in a setting out of, you know, sim mikhail right next to that. yes of it. he gave it,
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he getting crimea for ukraine and next to know ok. me kind of, i'm going to give you the last word in live is what else is likely to shape the situation on the ground and elsewhere. wondering, i'm very pleased with the, according to our colleagues in moscow, the, the goal now of the russians is not to win the war. it's do not be defeated. ah, well, i want to know that there was actually a very, very, a poignance point made by victor. well, in this case, ukrainian side is looking for victory and victory for us is very simple. it's regaining the territories that have been occupied illegally by russia. that includes all of the territories that were demarcated and have been internationally recognized since 1991 i. it includes crimea, whether this is resolved, 100 percent. militarily, we will see this is not a war that is going to and soon unfortunately, alcohol. this is probably going to glass for, for a while while longer,
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but i have no doubt about the fact that the turning point has, in fact been reached. gentlemen, thank you very much for a great discussion. mikhail of nascar, victor, all of a chance, samuel romani, and thank you to for want you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can of course, also join the conversation on twitter handle is at ha, inside story from me fully back to you boy, and a whole team here in doha. thanks for watching. bye for now. with miss eugene, witness clarity, witness, family and witness. friends. witness the beginning. witness. the end witness. life witness went out. beneath the surface lies
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