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after the water level of the nearby river rose. gabrielle nissan, who has moved from keith were hearing from then the mayor of creepy re who's saying that about 100 homes there have been flooded. and partial evacuations are taking place of some of the neighborhood of creativity. it does not appear to be catastrophic flooding. nevertheless, it is still causing serious problems. because this dam was hit by several russian missiles late wednesday evening, causing this into its river to overflow. its banks and immediate, we start to flood the town of creevy, sweden prime minister magdalena anderson has announced she will resign. a sentinel escalation was defeated by right wing blank in election. now thousands of mourners have begun to fire past the coffin of queen lives, but the 2nd she is lying in space at westminster hole for the next 4 days. a 5
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kilometer long q is stretching to london as people wait to pay their respects. and the afghan taliban have rejected a decision by the u. s. a. transfer 3500000000 dollars in chosen assets with with base trust. the plan is for the trust to distribute the funds where needed in afghanistan. the taliban say the assets must be sent directly to the afghan central bank. and those are the headlines next on al jazeera. it's inside story. stay with me. we understand the differences, minorities, of conscious across the world. are you taking out era or bringing the news and current affairs, entity, ah, era, nearly a 100 soldiers killed in a flare up in fighting between armenia and as the vice on rushes urging both sides
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to respect a truce agreed 2 years ago. but can moscow and other regional powers prevent another wall? this is in touch with hello, welcome to the program. i'm in ron con, armenia and as the boys on a blaming each other for the latest violence along the border. dozens of soldiers from both sides were killed on tuesday. tension between the former soviet republics largely stems from a stand off over the contested no go, no cut buck region. it's recognized internationally as part of azerbaijan, but controlled by ethnic armenian forces. the latest by thing happened to the west of the disputed area. now armenia as accused as neighbor of sending soldiers across the border and shelling military positions around several cities. but as of a john denies, this is saying was responding to
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a build up of la minds and weapons. russia said it had broken a ceasefire, but on wednesday armenia accused us by john resuming attacks. as a by john, no community, not merely, i'll gladly cease by a co school, but he also targeted armenian positions and also see the infrastructure in site. i mean, so it's a clear attack on southern country. it's clear and un mistake. while armenia has been selling as virginia military position for a week, 2 weeks now, which shall inc has been intensified over the last few days. and over the same few days, or when you started amassing heavy weaponry and armaments along been deemed border, it's in our media as it by john. so who's mediating the conflict? armenia as are, so russia's help or their foreign ministers have spoken by phone. russian president
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vladimir putin and his turkish counts, but richard type or the one we'll discuss the matter when they meet in the big city of summer conduct this week. turkeys, foreign minister says armenia should hold provocations and take sincere steps towards corporation and peace. and the european council president, as called for a complete and sustainable ceasefire. now as part of the minsk process. russia, the u. s. in france, have been trying to negotiate a settlement in the region for decades. but the u. s. secretary of state says he's worried about russia's role in the conflict. whether russia tries in some fashion, to stir the part to create a distraction or from ukraine is something that i was concerned about. but if russia can actually use his own influence for good, which is to again come, come the waters and the are and the violence, and of urged people to engage in good faith on building piece. that would be a positive thing. ah,
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let's bring an i guess in back who nigger up under i a member of the as a, by johnny parliament in yerevan of vladimir virginian, a member of the armenian parliament and in berlin. daria is the jenko, who's a researcher at the center for applied turkey. studies which is part of the german institute for international and security affairs. welcome to the program. let's begin in back. who 1st are with now, gartner, god, the meanings are accusing you of escalating tensions? why are you doing that? a well, thank you very much for having me here today. but 1st of all, armenians are not seeing the tooth that has origin as choosing a pass of peace as origin is not interested in increasing military attentions at a time when large scale construction groups are being done, either by young, after liberated after liberty. thing of that city theories. now let me put it this way. you know, there was a, there's a very clear path to peace between us by john and armina, it may sound paradoxical, but chance for peace. i was created after 2020 war when the trilateral statement
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was signed prior to prior to that there was a major factor which played against our sustainable peace. it was a fact of occupation of us originally, lance, by armenia, as you know, armenian army was holding a large part of us, originated to down through each occupation for 30 years. they expelled other business from there. they've destroyed everything, livelihoods, they are, let's say, all physical infrastructure of cultural infrastructure, but as long as, as long as this occupation sustained, obviously peace was not possible, but the war removed, ah, this factor armenians were pushed back to their borders, but it has already been 2 years and peace didn't come. you may ask me why it didn't come. trilateral statement ended hostilities, armina again just to me just because our new skin of the serve, you go to where it one second. let's put your either one to ask you why piece didn't come. let's ask her vladimir virginian in yerevan. you know,
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obviously you've told was why i bach who's accused you of lying armenia of lying and saying that you've broken the deal. have you it is very busy this mother, my mother. i started her speech with the saying that somebody knowing not the truth and it's not the 1st time we are discussing the issue with my mother. i because we are the members of the parliament resident of the council of europe and unfortunate them listening, that same old story. they start from the very beginning. i would like just to say that we are not speaking about good or bad. we are speaking about respect towards our international obligations and i would like to stay very officially, death or media are under, i mean is under attack. and we are considering this attack as an international aggression which is framed in on their article to blame for all the un charter that my just to say with we shouldn't somehow confuse our the do people who
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will know to wash miss program because various be about a warning or about now they're speaking about so are in territorial for media. all eastern parts, eastern border of the republic over we need his other attack. and as or virginia our forces proliferated in the territory, the death of the territory of the republican for me. and lou just to the warnings we are listening army as they're pushed back. i mean yes. liars. irvin yes. busy provokes this is very similar to the situation which nazi germany used or in the 2nd world war, saying that polish troops are somehow greater situation or, or a pro occasion the is the nasa soldiers vladimir last a very, very and running a died as one second. i don't a brutal i will,
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winning your grandchildren. a bit of us are by john. and you should listen b, florida. but if you're focusing connect your thought what's your response to that nigger? well, my response to that is that, you know, you have to look we can say many things, but you and the people that will be watching has to look to the facts. armina is not the vic them, it's the occupier. it has a long record of aggression and occupying as a written has never worked by our own. i am, your image is more if you are also around now, now we have armenian armenians. soldiers are mean an illegal aren't groups are still on the to turn off other by young. what are they doing? they are prime minister pushing young has signed a trilateral statement, which clearly said that, i mean an illegal arm to should be removed from the $33.00 of us. right? yeah. we've been waiting for 2 years. what are they doing right now on the theater? was it by, john? is it acceptable for any countries?
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no longer william, any out of the world sat before and so soon literary should arisen against ourself . now gregory, i sure was on lady's alert. please keep us, bring him. this is, this isn't the helpful shelter over and over. you have, i would like to bring in doria is to change her hair. who is a researcher, the center for applied turkey studies are now doria, there was a sci fi agreed i see. so i agree, 2 years ago, the minsk group has been trying to formulate a piece plan for nagondo karuba for decades. now, all of that has failed this latest ceasefire agreement as also failed. where is the international community and all of this? has it got any more cards left to play given what you've just heard? well, i see it tool key issues that i steal their machines. they were in the fall 2020. and this issue is the,
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are and is all status of credit back. and the 2nd issue is i did look in of transportation links in the region and the what if he, in the last 2 years the, these have these 2 issues have been stumbling blocks, are in the conflict, and to make it even perhaps more complicated. we also see that the position of either our actors involved, like russia and turkey has been also or different on these issues. i think it was the whole off truck, him and russia that by the block in transportation links are there can be, am, or some. it can be a step further but or even these did not work. i also see there is m a difference in how to approach the conflict from our ada burgess, for example, i think are from the russian perspective,
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it has been kind of a step by step. there is the issue of the limitation and communication of our borders address. then again, transportation or links ah, and a lease agreement would come. actually last i'll follow turkey. it's very much the same position like a as yet by john. but i think what we've seen from european union a, this we last week, i joy room, love story relation, service gun, osby, wagner. got about on the sandwich. we need to see people who will was there speaking about proliferation of us originally choose in the into very difficult to get a thing of getting public or for me. ok. there are other countries whose bothers are not going to be dated or tomorrow, but it doesn't matter that our south international recognize,
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or nurse and other regina recognize these borders in different no homes in us. ok, legend regional legend bilaterally. can i please, please, please do not mislead the people, but will watch us. and i would like to request our colleagues, no. margie 0 to put them on the arm attacks. sure. who the people that we are not discussing now they were like, we are discussing now. so and territory of the republic of what i mean was her response is the sovereign territory of armenian gov. yeah, i have a really good response which is very obvious. now, the piece should be built on mutual guarantees, right? we are speaking about peace, we are saying that we are ready for speech. and 1st of these guarantees is that it's simple. when armenia you cognizance to the total integrity of us by john as audible as it by john dignity doyle, integrity, armenia. without any tricky disclaimers, you know, just straightforward, simple statement. seeing that as armenia recognizes territorial integrity, international lucas, nice borders of azerbaijan. are they ready to do that?
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no, we've been speaking for 2 years. say about peace deal, but as armine, i'm listening, you know, you have a minute. can i finish? i am trying to finish my sword, please, please new mute. so one, when the thing though the statement should be very simple widicker than i got on the internet already with my said it is, we do not support separatist, we do not have to do it oh, claims towards each other. we are ready to do that as, as already, and we said that many times, i mean, he is not ready to do that. they have always disclaimers. if you ask him, he will have, you know, waiting long explanation why this cannot be done. so let's have the mutual guarantees we are ready to do that and you know why it's a void in late lives? latasha, talk about a little groceries. music guarantees, junk lunch. ladies. i will come to you if you just give me a chance. ask austin's question to doria shank her darya you are talking. there are gaston buckley was talking there about mutual guarantees of assurance, mutual
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a common ground effectively. is there any common ground that russia, the americans and turkey can bring to the table that will result in a peace treaty? oh, my assumption was that, are these transportation, the links in that asian are present, some kind of corman ground? i think a bear, but the, it's it, nevertheless, it has also been a contest. it issue because of how they are, how are the sites a she this differently or but i think i'm starting off from these. there can be indeed an equation ground because it's are in the interest not on get of the parties because i think the question is only how to do it. but when you look at other actors, there is an it mutual interests in our heaven ah, economically developed. it took to, to economically develop the region. thoughts are when we talk about the regional
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plays. daria, we're talking about, you know, russia, we're talking about america when those 2 countries get round the table, it simply doesn't become of armenia as a by john anymore. the ukraine is there, the sanctions, other, or many other issues that they need to concentrate on. nevada caraballo the issue of our linea and as of i, john simply isn't that high on their list. is it? this is, are indeed are. so i don't know if it say a problem and i but with she and i would still say that this ease about armenia and as yet by john. and then then it becomes complicated because are for some other players, these conflicts are also play at all. but it's not by a chance that russia did indeed emerge was in this means group as a legion player, because they squan flicked matter store asha, much more than in das to the united states, to france. or even though the european union, vladimir, your president has spoken to vladimir putin,
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r vladimir putin is going to speak to are the one in summer con. what would you expect them to be to be talking about? are those meetings? it is possible to talk about each and every issue which is on or international was where on the sleep. now we are listening from our cold media, deb cease. there is no final piece a court. we are allowed to do what we allowed will, can, you'd like to do nice, not is not the true reality is the following. we should respect the principles of international law and nobody after the creation of you and charter is not allowed to use force or use a treat or force to solve the political issue or death or somehow on reminding each national worker miss borders or federal ser, into other states was that of this thing, we are saying that a cease,
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we have not filed lisa courts. we are consider ourself, literally a lot. no, i had a question. i asked you the question i asked you was, what do you expect to vladimir putin and are the one to be talking about at a this meeting that they're going to have in some work are not gonna make it even gone to make the question even blunter do you think russia is representing your interests? we do believe that each and every single i state should represent the interest of the country, which is under attack under attack, which is considered as an aggression under international law, which is considered as a crime not only by customer international law, but also i have the wrong statute of international criminal court as well as it is a crime under as or which any criminal court nigger or what would you expect or the one to say to vladimir putin. do you think he's representing your case? well, it's just a full, it's very funny scene to know the country which has occupied another country,
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aggression who has created the aggression, expelled its territory, expelled its ethnically, azerbaijan is from which stated or is speaking about aggression. i regarding regarding the de talks and the mediators and other actors. i believe that armenia answered regina should have bilateral negotiations. we've been calling that for many times. and just few or some time ago, few months ago our, our leaders have met in brussels several times and we've been speaking about peace deal. but the statement was once inc armenian for prime minister, was coming back and saying completely different things you know, in brussels. when i'm president of the council was cheering the sessions they were discussing in one area, then he was coming back saying different things. so what i'm trying to say is that bilateral negotiations should be the key. of course we are open for any mediator. we are open, we work closely with all the countries we are positive about that. but still,
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we suggest piece deal with a that we have put our terms on the table, which i have nothing beside international lo and armine avoiding that. why are you waiting that? why to know why do not want to sign peace deal with us? why are you not? was nice and i were to do the, let's not, let's for the, you know, things like a minute. my blood, me one are you, you know, last year. yeah. i'm ready to get a long explanation. why these are please low again? is you may a 2nd i would you an answer? let's go to round a round table and negotiate. but i agree, it is impossible to negotiate. if i come with a gun and you are with the dogs, your chair, with the god, god god, and you're speaking about this. daria darling smith law. i know it's, i got ya. sorry. it is one of those i can was
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a glittering and dora brennan doria had interested just in this idea of biological talks. both of the gus had mentioned as so far, we are very far away from biological folks. but can we get there with russian american turkish intervention? ah, well, i am. i honestly don't know, but they do. she are asher in turkey plain as central or all just for the mere fact that they are, they are on the ground. they do have a special relation sheep, ah, for example, russia and armenia even even though they have become either strange or also not least due to their russian stance in the war. a, in 2020 turkey embassy damage. and they also have a special relationship, but ah, so i think this matters, but ultimately you can naught it, irrespective of who place a mediator. ah, i think it's essential that or it's,
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it's up to both parties to come to a concern since, and i think the key issue here is really security because the security, as we're also seeing in this discussion, this is to your e s. m b major issue. so i think there are and could be some kind over piece keep in force, but i don't know crowd isic, but i do see that the content of at between the parties themselves, between armenia and vizier, was on and cut over our central here as well. you're both members of parliament, both in burke, who and in yerevan flood him. if you've said that, you're willing to have bilateral talks, negarra, you've said the, you are willing to have bilateral talks. why don't you put pressure on your governments to actually make that happen? let's begin with vladimir 1st. why don't you put brush on your government to make those bilateral talks is a little bit stretched loose and such crucial garner negotiations for more than 2
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years. we have started the process up to november 9. and so we actually announced that europe of peace, we worked towards the establishment of normal ah, friendly relations between our neighbors. and it's strange that negotiations are continued all this period better. it's very complicated. negotiate when you are negotiate ink and your father ross, it okay. you know the green, i will bring another proposal. i will bring another air filter, another drops. i will try to evil trade in another part of your territory, but you should continue to negotiate. we are ready english, you, we were ready to negotiate. we would be ready to negotiate because negotiations, apartment, for national wall negotiation is an arc of civilized world. but what we have is it possible to negotiate will be too late to issue. we
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are ready to see and negotiate. we are here and to start with negotiation, we shoot 1st the full stop all military activities. otherwise 30 runaway we are, we are running out of town. we are running out of town. i want to put your pointed to an nigger in baku negotiations have been taking place. but there have been accusations by armenia, the there at the point of a gun that you are actually using violence during these negotiations. are you. is this again, as i said, as i said, look at the facts. there are internationally recognized borders of us in branson and armenia. and there is a long record of our menial breaking and violating our t authorial our integrity. so this is the fact, it's not something that, that he's saying, or i am saying, and mr. van young said that stock military activities are, this is a very good point. so this is the reason why i am asking why armina did and foolery
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move it's illegal armed force, cruel territories officer. by john, we are also saying that stock military activities to remove your illegal forces from the t to there was there by john. let's half fit at the table and sign a peace deal. we want a region where corporation will be where profanities are and i don't, we are running out of time and i do, and i have one final question with a daria in, ah berlin. a doria given everything that you've heard, this idea that there can be international ah, mediation within this actual conflict itself. but it seems to be so far from actually happening is the international community. a problem here. surely, something needs to change. they've been trying the same tactics now for a while. i do see that these are our constellation that we have now are in the international. i know it complicates it even the more because now we have really this confrontation with russia and between russia and the west are so, i mean,
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i would still say that the mean scope has been a not very successful in the so there you have russia, france and u. s. so it's not only up to the international community to saw this, but it, but given the situation as it is now, it also becomes complicated because there, you would have this kind of import of issues by red built by liberal issues between se russia and u. s. or russia, france, or russia, you reflect because somewhat having an impact also on the conflict in the shower caucasus. i want to thank all our guests that are offered to roy in yerevan vladimir gardonia. and daria is the jenko in berlin. and i want to thank you for watching as well. you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website out 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter.
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