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then it's on proven the budget targeted. we'll have to do much more and order gaudy road lane, and that will not take much time, but time is indeed running out for doors, for sale, got golf, and in need of help. ah, no, again, i'm fully battle with the headlines on al jazeera, the russian president vladimir putin is meeting with chinese leader she jane pain. these are life pictures of that meeting. the to leaders are in was back his fun for the shang i, corporation, organization summit. it is their 1st face to face meeting since the start of the war in ukraine we saw said i is in summer can. and as more on the me to me, the russian president vladimir putin is having a meeting with you renting. presently abraham gracie and later today we're expect

them put in and the chinese leadership and also to me it. so the saucers that have spoken to us to said that the energy deals and also the ukraine are going to be on the top of the agenda. so russia is demanding china to provide the full support regarding its invasion in ukraine. so for china has refrained from a solid support. the said of me to a, has per walk. this war, however, they do not say that this is a legitimate act by russia. so they are reserved when it comes to the war in ukraine and russia. once china, to be clearer about the support. a city in southern ukraine is at risk of flooding after russian forces attached to dom with several cruise missiles. some people have been asked to evacuate their homes in creevy after the water levels. this rose on a river nearby. russia is sending a fax, finding team to armenia. that's after we get our van asked for military health in

its latest conflict with as a by john more than a 150 soldiers have been killed on both sides since fighting began. on monday. thousands of mourners have begun to fall past the coffin of queen elizabeth the 2nd . her body will lie in state at westminster hold for the next 4 days. i 5 kilometer long q is stretching through london as people wait to pay their respects. those are the headlines next, hindsight are just here inside story. with nearly a 100 soldiers killed in a flare up in fighting between armenia and advice on russia's urging both sides to

respect the truce agreed 2 years ago. but can moscow and other regional powers prevent another war? this is inside sort. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm in ron con, armenia and as the boys on a blaming each other for the latest violence along the border. dozens of soldiers from both sides were killed on tuesday. tension between the former soviet republics largely stems from a stand off over the contested no go, no cut back region. it's recognized internationally as part of azerbaijan, but controlled by ethnic armenian forces. the latest fi thing happened to the west of the disputed area. now armenia as accused as neighbor of sending soldiers across the border and shelling military positions around several cities. but as of a john denies, this is saying was responding to

a build up of land mines and weapons. russia said it had broken a ceasefire, but on wednesday armenia accused as a by john resuming attacks. as if by john look, muley ah not merely i'll gladly cease fire across folder, but he also targeted armenian position. so those sicilian prospects in sight on so it's a clear attack on southern country. it's clear to talk on un mistake, while armenia has been showing as virginia military position for a week, 2 weeks now, which shall lane has been intensified over the last few days. and over the same few days, or when years started a mass thing, heavy weaponry and armament along been deemed border. it's an army and as it by john, so who's mediating the conflict? armenia is also russia's help of their foreign ministers. have spoken by phone. russian president vladimir putin and his turkish counsellor richard type or the one

we'll discuss the matter when they meet in the big city of summer conduct this week . turkeys foreign minister says armenia should hold provocations and take sincere steps towards corporation and peace. and the european council president as cold for a complete and sustainable ceasefire now as part of the minsk process, russia the u. s. in france. i've been trying to negotiate a settlement in the region for decades. but the u. s. secretary of state says he's worried about russia's role in the conflict. whether russia tries in some fashion, to stir the part, to create a distraction or from ukraine is something that i was concerned about. but if russia can actually use his own influence, ah, for good, which is to arm again, come, come the waters and the are and the violence. and doug urged people to engage in good faith on building piece. that would be a positive thing. ah,

let's bring in our guess in back, who nigger upward or i a member of the as a by johnny parliament in yerevan vladimir virginian, a member of the armenian parliament and in berlin. daria is the jenko who's a researcher, the center for applied turkey studies, which is part of the german institute for international and security affairs. welcome to the program. let's begin in back. who 1st are with now, gartner guard the minions, are accusing you of escalating tensions. why are you doing that? a well, thank you very much for having me here today. parsifal. armenians are not seeing the tooth that has origin as choosing a pass of peace as origin is not interested in increasing military attentions at a time when large scale construction verbs are being done and as her by young, after liberated after liberty singles at city thirty's. now let me put it this way, you know, there was a, there's a very clear path to peace between us there by john and armina. it may sound paradoxical, but chance for peace, or was created after 2020 war when the trilateral statement was signed prior to

prior to that there was a major factor which plate against our sustainable peace. it was a fact of occupation of azerbaijani lance by armenia. as you know, armenian army was holding a large part of us originated to down through each occupation for 30 years. they expelled azerbaijani from their, they've destroyed everything livelihoods there. let's say all physical infrastructure of cultural infrastructure, but as long as, as long as this occupation sustained, obviously peace was not possible, but the war removed, ah, this factor armenians were pushed back to their borders, but it has already been 2 years and peace didn't come. you may ask me why it didn't come. trilateral statement ended hostilities. armina again just me just because our new skin of the serve, you go to where it one second. let's put your either one to ask you why piece didn't come. let's ask her vladimir, of our dungeon in yerevan. obviously you've told his wife or bach who's accused you

of lying armenia of lying and saying that you've broken the deal. have you it is very pity those mother, my mother. i started her speech with the saying that somebody telling not the truth and it's not the 1st time we are discussing the issue with my mother, i because now the members of the parliament threatened the council of europe and the fortune of them listening that same old story, they start from the very beginning. i would like just to say that we are not speaking about good or bad. we are speaking about respect towards our international obligations. and i would like to state very officially did or media are under. i mean is under attack, and we are considering this attack as an international aggression which is private in, on her article to blame for all the un charter. no lie,

just to say that we shouldn't somehow confuse our the do people who will know to watch miss program because we are us, be about learning our of us now. they're speaking about so are in territorial for media all eastern pars eastern border of the republic over we need his other attack . and as a virginia, our forces proliferated in the territory, the death of the director of the republican vermin. and lou just to the warnings we are listening. armies were pushed back. i mean as liars, irvin is provoked. this is very similar to the situation which nazi germany used are in the 2nd world war saying that polish troops are somehow greater situation of the prohibition. the is the nasa soldiers vladimir last a very, very and running a died as one second. i got a bruce,

i will winning your grandchildren. i for the, for you, if you only have limited is of us are by john. and you should listen be plural parish, a 1000 can as your thought what's your response to that nigger? well, my response to that is that, you know, you have to look we can say many things. but you and the people that will be watching has to look to the facts. armina is not the victim. it's occupier, it has a long record of aggression and occupying as a written has never worked by our own e, i, and you're in it. or if you are also around now, now we have armenian armenians. soldiers are mean an illegal aren't groups are still on the to turn off, other by young. what are they doing? they are prime minister passion. yon has signed a trilateral statement, which clearly said that, i mean an illegal arm to should be removed from the 30 throw of azerbaijan. we've been waiting for 2 years. what are they doing right now on the 3rd? it was it by john. is it acceptable for any country?

no longer with any out of the world sad before and so soon literary should have arisen against ira. so now greg, i ladies a please. he was bringing this is, this isn't helpful. sheltering over probably i would like to bring in. doria is the jenko here, who is a researcher? the center for applied turkey studies. are now daria. there was a sci fi agreed i see. so i agree. 2 years ago, the minsk group has been trying to formulate a piece plan for nagondo karuba for decades. now, all of that has failed this latest ceasefire agreement as also failed. where is the international community? and all of this has it got any more cards left to play given what you've just heard? well i, she tool key issues that i steal their machines. they were in the fall of 2020. and this issue is the are,

and he's all status of credit backed. and the 2nd issue is i did look in of transportation links in the region and the what do you, in the last 2 years, the, are these have these 2 issues have been stumbling blocks, are in the conflict, and to make it even perhaps more complicated. we also see that the position of either our actors involved, like russia and turkey has been also or different on these issues. i think it was the hope of troy came and russia that by the block in transportation links are, there can be some, it can be a step further. but even these did not work. i also see there is m a difference in how to approach the conflict from our ada burgess, for example, i think are from the russian perspective,

it has been kind of a step by step that is their issue of the limitation and communication of our borders address then again, transportation or links are and the peace agreement would come. actually last, i'll follow a truck. it's very much the same position like a as yet by john. but i think what we've seen from, with this, we lost joy room a bit, sorry, but they should say this. they are not speaking about our got above the steps. we do not need to see the people who will watch us. they're speaking about proliferation of as originally truce in the territory, in the very depth of the directory of getting public of our me. ok, there are a lot of companies whose virus are not delivered today or tomorrow, but it doesn't matter that our south international recognize,

or nurse and other regina of mazda sport receive different no homes in universe. ok let in original lending better late, can i please please, please do not mislead the people who will watch us and i would like to request our colleagues in am ar 0 to put the matter with the arm attacks. sure. with the people that we are not discussing now they were like, are we are discussing now? so what am territory of the republic of what i mean was her response is the southern territory of armenian a. gov? yeah, i have a really good response, which is very obvious now that these should be built on mutual guarantees, right? we are speaking about peace, we are saying that we are ready for speech. and 1st of these guarantees is very simple. when armina diagnosis did it audio integrity followed by john as adults as it by john dig, niser, tutorial integrity, armenia without any tricky disclaimers. you know, just straightforward, simple statement. seeing that as armenia recognizes territorial integrity, internationally recognized borders of us over by john, are they ready to do that?

no, we've been speaking for 2 years. say about peace deal, but as armine, i'm listening, you know, you have a minute. can i finish? i am trying to finish my sword, please, please new mute. so one, when the thing though the statement should be very simple widicker than i got on the internet already. with my stated this, we do not support separatist, we do not have to do it. oh, claims. towards each other, we are ready to do that as, as already. and we said that many times, i mean he is not ready to do that. they have always disclaimers. if you ask him, he will have, you know, wait a long explanation why this cannot be done. so let's have the mutual guarantees. we are ready to do that and you know why it's a report in langley linds latasha talk about the actual garage, music guarantees, junk lunch ladies. i will come to you if you just give me a chance. ask austin's question to doria shank her. daria you are talking there are gaston barker was talking there about mutual guarantees of assurance, mutual,

a common ground effectively. is there any common ground that russia, the americans and turkey can bring to the table that will result in a peace treaty? oh, my assumption was that are these transportation, the links in that asian are present, some kind of corman ground? i think a bear, but the, it's it. nevertheless, it has also been a contest. it issue because of how they're, how are the sites a she this differently. but i think i'm starting off from these. there can be indeed to equation ground because it's are in that it is not on get of the parties . because i think the question is only how to do it, but when you look at other actors, that is an 8 mutual interests in our heaven ah, economically developed. it took to economically develop the region.

thoughts are when we talk about the regional players. daria, we're talking about, you know, russia, we're talking about america when those 2 countries get round the table, it simply doesn't become of armenia as a by john anymore. the ukraine is there, the sanctions other. there are many other issues that they need to concentrate on. nevada care about the issue of armenia and as of i, john simply isn't that high on their list. is it this is are indeed are. so i don't know if it say a problem or not, but we've seen that. i would still say that this ease about armenia and as yet by john and then then it becomes complicated because are for some other players, these conflicts are also play at all. but it's not by a chance that russia did indeed emerge was in this means group as a legion player, because these conflict matter store asha, much more than in das to the united states, to france. or even though the european union, vladimir, your president has spoken to vladimir putin,

r vladimir putin is going to speak to are the one in summer con. what would you expect them to be to be talking about? are those meetings? it is possible to talk about each and every issue which is under international was where honestly now, well, listening from our calling media. deb, since there is no final piece of court, we are allowed to do what we allow. what we'd like to do nice not is not the true reality is the following. we should respect the principles of international law and nobody after the creation of you and charter is not allowed to use force or use the treat of force to solve the political issue. or death, or somehow on reminding each national america as borders or federal solar into other states. without a listening, we're saying that a cease,

we have not filed the supports. we are consider ourself, literally a lot. no, i had a question. i asked you the question i asked you was what you expect to vladimir putin and are the one to be talking about at a this meeting that they're going to have in some work are not gonna make it even one to i'll make the question even blunter do you think russia is representing your interests? we do believe that each and every single i state should represent the interest of the country, which is under attack under attack, which is considered as an aggression under international law, which is considered as a crime not only by customer international law, but also i have the wrong statute of international juvenile court as well as it is a crime under that as of a general criminal court nigger, or what would you expect or the one to say to vladimir putin? do you think he's representing your case? well, it's just a full, it's very funny seeing, you know, a country which has occupied another country,

aggression who has created the aggression, expelled its territory, expelled its lab ethnically as a residents from which stated or is speaking about aggression. i regarding regarding the de talks and the mediators and other actors, i believe that armenia answered where john should have bilateral negotiations. we've been calling that for many times. and just few or some time ago, few months ago our, our leaders have met in brussel several times and we've been speaking about peace deal. but the statement was once inc armenian for prime minister, was coming back and saying completely different things you know, in brussels. when i'm president of the council was cheering the sessions they were discussing in one area, then he was coming back, think different things. so what i'm trying to say is that bilateral negotiations should be the key. of course we are open for any mediator. we are open, we work closely with all the countries we are positive about that. but still we

suggest piece deal. we say that we have put our terms on the table, which i have nothing beside international lo and armine avoiding that. why are you waiting that? why to know why do not want to sign peace deal with us? why are you not a good night? think i were to do the, let's not, let's father, you know, things like i'm in my blood a last year. i'm ready to get a long explanation. why these are please a is you may a 2nd i would you an answer? let's go around the round table and negotiate, but i agree, it is impossible to negotiate. if i come with a gun and you are with the dogs, you're jim with the gun garner with john and you're speaking about this. i don't and i know it's like you're sorry, it is one of those like it was

a glittering under spring. daria had interested just in this idea of biological talks. both of the gus had mentioned as so far, we are very far away from bilateral talks. but can we get there with russian american turkish intervention? ah, well, i am. i honestly don't know, but they do. she russia in turkey, blame air central role just for the mere fact that they are, they are on the ground. they do have a special relation sheep, ah, for example, russia and armenia even even though they have become the strain, are also not least due to their ration stance in the war. a into $1020.00 turkey embassy damage and they also have a special relationship. but i, so i think this matters, but ultimately you cannot irrespective of who plays a mediator. ah,

i think it's essential that it's, it's up to both parties too cramped or a concern since, and i think the key issue here is really security because the security, as we're all soft in this discussion, this is to your ease m b major issue. so i think there are and could be some kind of arm, peace keeping force, but i don't know crowd listing, but i do see that the content at between the parties themselves, between armenia and as it was on and cut over our central here as well. you're both members of parliament, both in baku and in yerevan. vladimir, the, you've said the, you're willing to have bilateral talks, negarra, you've said the, you are willing to have bilateral talks. why don't you put pressure on your governments to actually make that happen? let's begin with vladimir 1st. why don't you put brush on your government and make those bilateral tools after is legally stretched loose and such crucial garner negotiations for more than 2 years. we have started the process up to november 9.

and so we actually announced that iraq of peace and we worked towards the establishment of norma ah, friendly relations between our neighbors. and it's strange that negotiations are continued all this period better. it's very complicated to negotiate when you're negotiate, inc, and you're gonna run said okay, you know, the green. i will bring another proposal. i will bring another air for larry another draws. i will try to evil trade in another part of your territory, but you should continue to negotiate. we are ready english, you, we were ready negotiate. we would be ready to negotiate. because negotiations, a part of international law, negotiation is an article off civilized world. but what we have is it possible to negotiate will be too late to each you. we are ready to

see and negotiate. we are here and to start will negotiation. we should 1st of all, stop all military activities. otherwise, 30 runaway we are, we are running out until we are running out of time. i will put your pointed to an nagger in baku negotiations have been taking place. but there have been accusations by armenia, the there at the point of a gun that you are actually using violence during these negotiations. are you is this, you? again, as i said, as i said, look at the facts. there are internationally recognized borders of us, regina and armenia, and there is a long record of our menial breaking and violating our t authorial our integrity. so this is the fact, it's not something that, that he's saying, or i am saying. and mister by runyan said that stock military activities are this is a very good point. so this is the reason why i am asking why armenia didn't foolery

move. it's illegal armed force, chrome secretary to us by john. we are also saying that stock military activities to remove your illegal forces from the t to there was there by john. let's have sit at the table and sign a peace deal. we want a region where corporation will be where prosperity very little. we are running out of time and i do want to have one final question with a daria in, ah, berlin, a dory, a given everything that you've heard. this idea that they can be international mediation within this actual conflict itself. but it seems to be so far from actually happening is the international community. a problem here. surely, something needs to change. they've been trying the same tactics. now for wall i do see that these are our constellation that we have now are in the international united, complicates it even the more because now we have really these confrontation with russia and between russia and the west. i. so, i mean,

i would still say that the mean school has been a not very successful initial there you have russia, france, and us, so it's not only up to the international community to solace, but it, but given the situation as it is now, it also becomes complicated because there you would have this kind of import of issues by little by little issue has been said ayesha and u. s. r, russia, france, or russia. you reflect because somewhat having an impact also on the conflict in the south caucasus. i want to thank all august gar, upper derive. and you're a van of vladimir gardonia. and daria is the jenko in berlin. i know what to thank you to for watching as well. you can see the program again anytime by the sing all websites out there, a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter.

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