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overnight the military held rehearsals for monday's funeral. the gun carriage which will be the queen's casket, rolling through the empty streets from buckingham palace. an empty black coffin carried into westminster abbey. most of the royals have kept a low profile of the last 24 hours. but the new year to the throne was out at santa him at what was the queen's country estate in the east of england. prince william and princess catherine gathering flowers, talking to well wishers. back in london, it's now estimated by the authorities. more than 300000 people will in time file past. as the late queen lies in state, meeting the expectations for a nation. seeing farewell, alan fisher al jazeera london. ah, this is al jazeera, these ear tub stories, a rainy and present. abraham racy tells our dessert that you are sanctions must be lifted to reach a nuclear deal. i seen says there should be guarantees to achieve
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a lasting agreement as well. hello, fastly moore's. you are to pod, the money removal of sanctions should be accompanied with the resolution of safeguards. there are some political and baseless accusations against islamic republic of iran when it comes to safeguard issues. so this agreement will not be fruitful of following a few days after signing the agreement. like the resolution proposed to the board of governors that the iaa, the same thing will happen and based on the influence, so they will create problems again. so we should finalize the safeguard issues for and regarding the guarantees, if we have the trustworthy guarantees and we have the lasting removal of the sanctions, not temporary removal of sanctions. and if there is a lasting solution for the safeguard issues, the shore, it's possible to reach agreement. ukraine's president vladimir lansky says that a mass grave has been found in the northeast and city of is you city,
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which is in the kalki region, has recently been recaptured from russian forces earlier. local police officials said 440 bodies had been located across the region. while food program says that its facilities been looted, nearby office is set on fire and northern haiti. violent process of swept across the country, falling an announcement on wednesday that the government was hiking the price of fuel. the price of a lease of petrol will, more than double us president joe biden has hosted a form of whitehouse to bring about attention to hate base violence in america, even gathered experts and survivors to promote a united front against recent domestic hate crimes. biden announced new sanctions against tech companies like youtube and twitch for promoting violence on their platforms. and crowds of mourners gathered in the occupied west bank. the funeral of the palestinian teenagers, shot dead by israeli forces on thursday. the palestinian health ministry says 17,
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your day sally was killed when violence broke out during an israeli army. right? russia is sending a fat finding team to armenia off to get a van off a minute. she help in its latest conflict with as a by joan. okay, she had lines coming up next inside story. ah, fresh from the west pushes china and russia close it together, shooting pen, meet them, vladimir putin on his 1st foreign trip since upon them it began for message of these presidents trying to send and kindly reshape international political and economic go to. this isn't fuzzy.
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ah oh, here's a program i'm iran con gelani's president. he's making his 1st foreign trip since the pandemic began one to years ago. shooting pains at 1st i was cousin on. that's why he launched his signature belt and wrote initiative in 2013 to help build major infrastructure projects. especially in developing economies. she and cassock stones president, signed a statement, pledging mutual support with our country, serenity, security and territorial integrity. she then flew to his breakfast on from meeting of the shanghai corporation organization, moscow and beijing form the eurasian. a regional block in 2001 hotly to counter us influence. she met with president vladimir putin for the 1st time since russia invaded ukraine. both nations are looking for support in the face of sanctions and
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nice elation from the west resorts. her daughter has moved from the back city of summer. come the leaders of the east are gathering in the ancient city of samarkand inasmuch as stand a stronger corporation organization. several bilateral meetings are taking place here, but perhaps the most important one is the meeting between the russian president vladimir putin and chinese leader. she champing ukrainian crisis and energy on the top of the agenda. russia once a solid support from china regarding its war in ukraine. china says that the warden, ukraine was per walked by nato. however, it refrains from explicitly saying that the word in ukraine is well justified and left him at one. this is something that russia definitely wants to hear, and in return, china is asking more support from russia regarding time one. secondly, russia wants to sell more oil and gas to china. it's crucially important for russia regarding the fact that it is under the heavy sanctions imposed by the western
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western countries. and it wants to a to find out more resources for revenues to protect his economy from a collapse this by china being the number one client for the russian energy. it also wants to have more alternatives. so did the chinese leader, she gp was in kazakhstan, right? ahead of the a did the chunk i cooperation or organization summit in as becky stant to seek for increasing add increasing the that the gas import from kaiser kristen and export say that the reason for that. one of the reasons for that is that china doesn't want it relations with russia to come at the expense of at the cost of its relations with the west rest. who said that for inside story now is russell mentioned. china has avoided openly supporting russia's invasion of ukraine, but in the past week, beijing's 3rd highest ranking leader made his strongest statements yet, the lower house of russia's parliament released this video of legion shoes meeting
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in moscow. this is you loser, who on russia's core interests and major issues of concern? china expresses his understanding and full support for russia. there's yeah, sure. who hello on the ukraine issue, for example, the u. s. and nato are expanding directly on russia's doorstep, threatening rushes, national security and the lives of russian citizens. given the circumstances, russia has taken necessary measures. china understands, and we are coordinating on various aspects mo, her, i believe russia was cornered, in this case, to protect the country's core interests. russia gave a resolute response. let's take a look at russia and chinese relationship. in february, they declared a no limits partnership, and china has criticized sanctions imposed over the war in ukraine while expanding trade. it was also russia's 2nd largest arms buyer, but in march,
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u. s. officials reported that moscow had requested beijing's military assistance in the conflict. now the european union punished russia by removing it from the international money transfer system. swift china is reported to have offered assistance with its own system. and in june, our president, she hosted the bricks summit for the developing economies of brazil, russia, india, china, and south africa. and then in 2015, they launched the new development bank that so poured almost $32000000000.00 into projects. ah, that's brain i guess in beijing einer tongue and senior fellow at the time he institute in moscow. dmitri babbage, political analyst at the, you know me into that project based in moscow and in brussels, theresa fallon, director of the center for russia, europe, asia studies welcome to the program. let me begin in beijing. first. is this a hard power play by china, or is it a soft power play? and by that, i mean, is china going to start using its financial,
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political muscle to formulate this new partnership with russia that is going to try and reshape the world? well, i don't think it's necessary, a new partnership with russia. this is the ceo. i mean, there's a whole bunch of nations there and a lot more waiting on the doorstep to join with china is trying to do as, as you know, in your opening, you pointed out they are making sure that they're spreading their business around in terms of gas and they made a very, very point statement and lock response, early territorial integrity is very important. the reason this is apropos dimension is that there have been rumblings of very from very hawkish, conservative people in russia saying that, you know, because arkansas was not supportive enough for russia's actions and ukraine and also that they were our lands. that should right, they be in rushes hands. so the fact that she went there 1st was
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a good indication that china is playing this very, very carefully. they do not want to make enemies. what they want is a new new regional world order. i'm sorry, not world new regional orders that allows them to have dialogue and this kind of just dissatisfied and warlike atmosphere. but by bringing in russia at this point, in order to have the regional world order regional, or rather, as you say, russia right now is under tremendous amount of pressure. if china truly does back, russia exposes itself, does not know. i mean, you, you know, there's these different narratives that are out there on a kind of false dichotomy that if somehow, if you deal with russia, you are, you know, europe equivalent of a baby killer. you favor war and ukraine and things like that. that's not the case in the global south has made that very, very clear. it's not just china, india, it's countries in south america. in africa,
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we all witnessed the the speech of the, of the foreign minister of shopper, girl, she dressed down lincoln while he shouted product her about the us trying to demand that people take sides and a conflict that they don't see there's so this issue about you know ukraine and russia is very simple from china's point of view. they see this as the americans provoking a situation in which there was a response. they do not agree with this idea that nation should be taking matters like this into their hands, but they understand that there are security concerns. now in terms of china, in particular, they have the same kind of concerns with taiwan. they see the same type of action by the us towards i want these upgrading of relations, trying to make it across country and making it up. nato partner. all of these
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things are selling, it's billions of dollars worth of arms. these are provocative by china standards and a violation of the 3 communicate. so you're going to see russia and china being pushed together by what they perceive as us aggression towards them do retreat and moscow . clearly, moscow is going to welcome any kind of support for russia in this, but this particular time. but is the cost of this slightly too high? i mean, russia is, you serve is used to being the main power. i mean, here it feels like russia might be the junior part compared to china. well, no, there are no such fears in russia because compared to what we have through them, you will be and you know, from doing that to states. and that is just told the t v being a junior partner to china doesn't quite such a terrible perspective. and i agree with the previous speaker from begun that basically russia in china board present by the more than the west wise
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idea. what would you which views any current yes, and any person that it is the don't feet. busy liberal narrative, not one moment, it's in the west, and you have any question then seen if anything is by the west and that declared enemies openly. i mean, if you compare some high corporation organization, if you compare collective security could feed your organization accredited by russia to compare them to the nature of your major n d. you for years have been found in much more belligerent. i mean, c, s, t o, usually as a sessions, begin with a statement that the nation is not directed against any congress in the congress. with nato, you always rushing the threat. china is changing the world order. so charlie is also kind of a threat. and this is the guy, the rhetoric that has been not age and but, you know,
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just making very angry was that people in china and the people in russia. so in that case, president c, and present there have support all the nations. there are many people in russia and china were angry about the action. so the more the west, and that's for your previous question. when you said, is it a good time for china to be rational? hello. hi, corporation organization on life nature, who is a financial we close, you can not excuse any one from there. can i say not betrayed it if the counties remember it will be there. you don't have to get a special invitation and what makes this summer special is the inclusion of iran, which for many years had been viewed with a kind of suspicion by russia and china. you remember probably that president medieval form of presidents who, sorry lisa will have plenty of time to talk about all of this. but i do want to
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bring in theresa fallon. theresa, it seems to me that this is now china's world, and we simply live and there's nothing we can do about it. is that true? well, as a chinese like to say, it's a win win situation with russia. because if russia loses in ukraine, russia, china actually gets a, we can draw, so which is much their benefit. and it should they win in ukraine, which doesn't look likely these days that, you know, they, they've been kind of at least rhetorically supporting them. and they've been spreading their propaganda message in the global so. so i think that it's very difficult for many analysts to accept here in europe that russia and china are so closely having a strategic convergence. and i think that this makes them extremely uncomfortable because this is also true in central asia, as we saw with she didn't things cummins yesterday and causing sun stating what was mentioned in the run up to the program about how that china will not allow russia.
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he didn't use wordpress of any impingement and cuz it's done sovereignty. and i think this is a key message because since bathing has signed it with russia in regard to ukraine, he has alienated to a certain level, central asian states, which were part of the soviet union who are watching what happens and you can't. and they are terrified that point to do the same thing with them. so these countries have been balancing between russia and china for many, many decades. and so i think that she would run up all international politics for she is domestic right now, especially with the october meeting coming up. so you want to look strong, powerful take advantage is the worst possible time for putting with ukraine's huge pushback on russia. and so the optics are awful for putin. so i think this is a smart move by she didn't ping, he looks very like an international leader. there's not a lot of places you can go these days. this is his 1st trip outside of china. since coven and then he has this kind of feather nest cup. he had a meeting,
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and ukraine signed 21 use with the leader there. and now the, as you know, so the su, it talks about corporation. but there is a lot of fragmentation, a lot of internal problems. we see strains between india and china, india, and pakistan, the members of the s c l. so they talk about cooperation, but there's a lot going on. there's a lot of moving parts to this. let's get back to beijing. there's a lot of moving parts, as our guest has said, in brussels. but one of the key things about china's role when it comes to other countries is always respected. whoever is in charge of take the example of pakistan . for example, china has long been a very good friend to pockets on. it hasn't said you need to be a democracy or they shouldn't be a military dictator. it simply dealt with whatever government, whatever military was in power on the other hand, talk is on. he's one complainant. the americans are interfering in their domestic affairs by having this insistence on freedom and democracy. is that something that
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china is now going to lean into? will it keep that out? will it keep dealing with the people in power without actually insisting on any kind of political change while you and i actually kind of object to the form of your question, in this sense that pakistan is you say are complaining about freedom and liberty. i don't think that's really it, it's about a sovereign nation. let's look carefully at the difference between the u. s. and china. when i call summit with s. c o, it's about internal matters. it's about, you know, getting rid of terrorism, cross which order terrorism financing of terrorism, et cetera, to make sure that there is a moderate things. the idea is that they want to settle the neighborhood. now there's a lot of contentious relations as the previous speaker talked about, but they didn't exclude anybody. go to the summit of the americas where biden invited only those countries that he thought he wanted to talk to and excluded
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a bunch of others. that of course, had and media backlash, you know, the world is as it is and you can have dialogue or you can create walls or contain countries change their, you know, their governments, the regime, change opportunities and things like this. this is standard practice for us. you know, the question you should be asking is, does world want the us to be the police of it? and if it is going to be placement shouldn't lead by example, as opposed to hypocrisy was lucky want to talk. so we can ask that question to both of the guess and the speak to dimitry in moscow. the us role is over. is it dishonest? is we talking about the full of the, the full of the influence of the us now? well, definitely, and i can tell us the person who as a young journalist, lived in the soviet union and they saw the 1st year a lot of people in the former soviet union. good in myself,
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we were not against the united states as a benign policeman because the image or americans of the british was very positive at the diamond s nations we still use, i'm very positive. it was, we don't want to leave than you do. i go into what is trashed in the states and in the european union the in the last i would say if you don't. and so yeah. and which led to opening our previous speaker invasion rightly conventional the regime change . i mean the rather that situation congress are seen with. busy para what's going on in your green? well, i can tell you, for sure. i wasn't there to 1014. they booked in tara, at what sort of newland did in ukraine in kia into 1014. because our president, at the time of our bias made a special statement that some people in the family wants to out legally left the
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government the same way they did it in your grades are not going to allow them to do it. so with that to look at the situation perspective, the congress in central asia, they may not be happy with you to call you. they may not be with the rush of actions in your brain, but somehow rushing chain that respect their political systems. we're not trying to lecture them on holidays should build their democracy just right. and let me, let me say, a very grateful board here in the west right now, especially in the united states. they keep talking about a book which is again democracy. and of course, they're just where our focus but read any book on. he told you you will find out a book on political science. there is something was notorious yet that is totally terry newsome and they lived in a city and state. i remember that there was all the vall view for every event for
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every situation in the world. that's exactly what we have now in the united states . and in the you about the situation, ukraine, all the while you is out there is no discussion or i so discussion ok. and the really care the situation very complicated. in russia, you can criticize the so called you to a ration which we have been caught in a war to me. tell me, mom, i'm really sorry to cut you off. i'm really sorry to cut you off. i think you made your point brilliantly. i want to bring in a series of fallen in brussels, yet a bemused look on your face as dimitry will speaking. where is the u. s. in all of us? i just want to pick up on one earlier point because the more people say it doesn't make it true. the fact that sweden and finland, for example, want to join nato present, put in said there was no problem with him joining. so this and finland shows a huge border with russia. so this narrative that it's, this war and ukraine was because of nato expansion has been proven false, even by president putin himself. second. the problem on my down the pro has
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happened after the leader refused to sign the agreement with you because the public won a closer economic corporation with you. so that was the reason for the beginning of the protests. and again, the kind of unraveling and put in felt you really had to make a move. so i would add, you know, there's this kind of division of labor in the past. in central asia, rasa was the rifle. china was the purse with chinese economy is slowing down. russ is really going to be very difficult states for the next decade. i had a huge brain chain because otherwise you can plus all these economic sanctions. so the outcome is remains to be seen. what happens in central asia, who didn't have very strong feelings, especially because it, because it shares such a long border with we shouldn't underestimate agency of these countries, especially hasn't done. i mean the economy is growing and they have large energy exports. and, and so you want to say yes,
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i'm just going to bring and i know you were shaking your head there is theresa was speaking to react flavor. you know? yes, i mean, it is, i'm sure there's a wonderful talk points and they represent a point of view, but let's be realistic. what do you say about afghanistan, iraq, all the, you know, turmoil that's been created by the united states and its efforts for 1st revenge then for nation building and then walking away from it. i mean, the middle east is broken because the west, there are similar things that happen to africa and also south america. so to tell me again how it is that china and russia are the ones who are to stabilize in the world. i mean, terrorism has been a many headed hydra. every time the u. s. says that it has chopped off one to up here. so tell me again why, why you know, how it is that united states is been helping and it is, you know, on the side of the angels and everyone else is on the side of the evil that i want to bring and dimitry head to meet you hearing 2 very different perspectives are
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from the chinese and from the world from to raise a father. no, no, no, to speak on behalf of the american certainly. but, you know, i mean, at some point, russia is going to have to decide who it wants to throw. it's lot in china is not completely back in russia when it comes to the war in ukraine, not publicly. they're afraid of sanctions as well. america still has some real power over russia. he doesnt post the war in ukraine is the tragedy robot. certainly the western view. they have you represented by 3. it is a simplistic view of that tragedy. you know, really sad that it started one down of course, which was told he did not if you keep us home, the sign in or so she's in agreement with you and the public wanted it. well, we got a voice as the president had the full right to postpone the signing of that agreement . that violent action against him during which 38 policemen were killed was absolutely legal. no, you can imagine what will happen in the united states to someone who killed 38
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policemen trying to make the president signed some kind of a document. and the, and the section unfortunately, was fully supported by the united states. and by that you would, that wasn't great. this was the 1st step towards this civil war, actually civil war that we're seeing now in ukraine because these are people speaking the same language, right? most of the cases. ok, watch the same with going support. i support our previous speaker from page in. i criticized a lot of actions of president which and, and a lot of things that rush in china may be doing on the international stage. but everything is seen in comparison. the united states and the you have no right to lecture rushing, china after everything they have done a we are running out of time. i do want to come very quickly to teresa teresa. i want you to answer this question, what can the u. s. 2, when this is happening,
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i think the 2 giants of russia and china, they will actually eventually pull apart. so i think the u. s. it just comes to back and, and watch the show. i think that this idea of a rules base order. i mean, it, it sounds like russia and trying to have such great plans, i mean, an unprovoked war and ukraine. what's happening and she and john, this is another key issue that she just needs to get some sort of agreement from to kind of not to talk about the change on you on the report. because this is kind of alienating muslims in central asia. and so if the leadership tries to down play this, that's a key issue because she's young is also the gateway on the belgian road initiative . so this is also a point of friction. so it's a difficult diplomatic balancing act that she to being has to do. he has to try to talk to kyle, because that if he blocks his initiative, the whole bell to road is dead. and i would say that we're seeing
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a dissertation world order between west and east pacific for including australia, new zealand, japan and south korea. and the rest, iran, india, russia, china, and india is kind of an independent country trying to make the most of all, you know, benefit from all sides. so i think that the rules base order versus this kind of a growing group of axis. i will be interesting to watch. that's why i think this s e o meeting is watched more than any other as you know, meeting in my memory. so it has galvanized worlds attention. and we're going to see how russia, china, how, how they play this out. a very spirited debate there, i want to thank all our guests that are not hanging to meet you babich and theresa fallon, and i want to thank you as well for watching. now you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out there. don't come on for further discussion, go to a facebook page at facebook dot com,
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