also the case, but she had this deep connection to the commonwealth and the other rounds, the other 14 realms. but whether this image of britain we have seen puts on, if you like, on stage today, and this national stage, whether this is sustainable in the longer term future i, i'm uncertain. and i, i therefore think it, it worth just bearing in mind the fact that this is, i think this is unlikely that we, we ever see anything like this again. and i think when historians come to write about this event, they will see it possibly as, as, as one of the, the grandest moments certainly, and the, the most spectacular moments. in terms of the, the story of the 21st century monica we see the conroy quoterush with the coffin of the queen making its way through west london shots from the handicap. to sometimes also show you exactly where you

are. because sometimes you also see the river thames just to one side, which of course, winds its way through london. and of course goes almost to windsor. and that is where the procession the convoy continues. now remember, you've seen a number of vehicles that in addition to the hearse, and that's mean that is also the senior members. they're all family, her all. so traveling along this journey, as we, you mentioned that the commonwealth we've already heard in the last 24 hours. the new zealand prime minister just hinder our den, saying she believes in her life time. that new zealand will be a republic, that it will not have king charles as its king. do you think it's likely that

others of those 14 realms, as they're called the countries where the king remains the head of state are going to start to peel off? it was 32 realms in 1952. when queen elizabeth was crowned sorry, i'd go ahead republish risk. i think it extremely likely that they will disassociate themself with the, with the monitor and with the monica head of state. and i think that's because there is a desire to move on in some of the, the commonwealth realms, notably in the caribbean. it's for, it's for different reasons. for example, in contrast with, for example, australia, the 999 referendum in australia. whether at that point,

it should move to a presidential republican system, of course that the republicans lost that. but it was felt in the lead up to that referendum that there was actually a majority of favor of people in favor of republic. but the option that was presented to the people of australia was to have a republic with the, with a president directly nominated by parliamentarians as opposed to directly elected by the people. and it's i dear, of having a president, if you like, chosen, but by parliament as opposed to the people was, was not favored by the australian people at the time back in 1999. and they chose to stick with elizabeth the 2nd. now i think antony, albany z australia is prime minister, has spoken already of how he will not look to hold a referendum on australia's current status as

a monarchy in his 1st term as prime minister. but he has suggested that he would look to have some kind of referendum in the longer term as i should, as i say, i think there is almost certainly a majority in favor of a republic of republicanism in australia. but it depends on the, the kind of question that is posed to the australian public. when that time comes, the one place where perhaps it's less likely in canada, there is. i think people are affection for the monarchy and the connection with britain in canada. what is i suppose most interesting about all of these different rounds is that they, they each have a very specific, unique relationship with the british crime. the monarch plays, for example,

a more important role in new zealand constitution than the market place in australia's constitution. likewise, in the caribbean, the, the monarchs, the british money plays a very, very small role in the constitutional politics of those countries. so that it's a complicated, it's a complicated process is going to unfold. but i do think it extremely likely that probably within a decade, most of those rounds would have gone their own way of separated themselves from the, from the crime. thank you. and owens historian, we watch the final journey of queen elizabeth the royal hearse going through the streets of west london, a slow pace, so everyone can see. and as you can see from these pictures everywhere,

the streets aligned with people saying the final farewell to a queen who died at the age of 96 and ruled a country united kingdom, as well as being the monarch and 14 other nations for 7 decades. it is a little past 1300 hours g m t 5 past 2 in the afternoon in london and were continuing with our special coverage of queen elizabeth the 2nd state funeral. as you can see, the queen's coffin now on its way to windsor castle travelling in a state hearse to one of the queen's favorite homes. le funeral proceedings began just before 10 hours. g m teeth day. let's take a look back. good. some of the extraordinary scenes that we've seen. 7

aa queen elizabeth's coffin was taken in procession from westminster hall to westminster abbey, to the tune of bagpipes. sambal moment was punctuated by the top of big ban. it rang $96.00 times once every minute. for each year of the late monarch's life. ah, it's actually the bell of westminster abbey, which were mighty 6 times emerged. his coffin was then carried into westminster abbey for the 1st state general in the u. k. and $86.00 decades, 2000 guests attended the service including royal's heads of state prime ministers, and other dignitaries from across the world. her late majesty famously dick

head on a 21st birthday broadcast that her whole life would be dedicated to serving the nation and commonwealth rarely had such a promise been so well kept following the service, the queen's coffin was placed on the state gun carriage and taken at a slow pace to wellington arch. from there, her majesty's coffin was placed into the state hearse for her final journey to windsor castle to the west of london. i'll just hear miss roy challenz is in windsor, is with us now life. so rory, the queen this coffin, aboard the state, hers making its way to windsor as we speak. what happens once it arrives it's got about another hour, the journey west of london to where i'm standing with this mazing cost. so in the

background behind me when the car, so it's built after the norman invasion of 1066. when it arrives in about an hour's time, we will then have the this, the ceremonial proceedings beginning. they will be another procession of the chief royal's king charles with that. of course, the head behind the coffin and it will be taken into saint george's chapel here at windsor. and there, there will be 2 ceremonies that will be the committed ceremony, which will take place fast and following that makes on this evening, there will be a much more privates burial ceremony in which the queen will be lowered down into the ro volts and take a place besides prince devise a husband for so many years. there are big crowds that are already gathering here.

as steward just came over and gave me a little update before speaking to you. and he told me that they're already at about to says capacity here. some 60000 people lining the long walk, they have capacity for about a 100000 people there. and then where i'm standing here is that as an access or spillover area for another, perhaps 70000 people, it's clear at the moment perhaps unlikely that they will need this area because it seems like the crowd numbers are starting to dwindle. people arriving anyway, that has been hampered by the fact that one of the main train lines out of london from paddington station has had severe problems say no trains in or out of paddington since this morning because of the electrical cables that down on the line. so people who are coming here having to find out the routes they are putting in place some crown control measures that they have adopted because they learn from

the ceremony where prince fit it was buried last year on the long walk. they had crime control issues where people were bunching up to the castle, end of the long walk. so now the segmenting it off each segments along the long walk with space for $10000.00 people, hoping to avoid repeating that, that mistake from area. why winds that, rory? what's the significance of winds to the queen? one of her favorites, favorite residences savvy. and she obviously has strong relations with strong relationship with sandra again, with bout moral with winds and with buckingham palace. buckingham palace we are told was always her least favorite. it's the, the beating, working heart at the role family, but as a residence, as, as a place where the royals like to spend that time. it was fairly near the bottom of the list. if not the bottom, so the queen always loved moral and she always,

always loved when the car. so it is the oldest inhabited palace in the world and immense amounts of history. it was adopted as a protest of the the royal family. back in the rain. henry, the 1st that is the early 11 hundreds for the queen and her family. it was where she spent much of the 2nd world war, the place when german bombers were falling on london. this is where the role family came to stay safe. so a big part of her life, a big part of the royal family's life. and of course the british monarchies history . going back many, many centuries houses. there was a challenge reporting live from windsor. we will be back with you, we'll re shortly the state 1st. you to arrive in the next 50 minutes or so

in windsor will have live coverage of that procession. which will go along long walk through cambridge gauge on cambridge drive and eventually ending at the chapel in windsor free. and simon mail, once again, retired partition of the officer for the senior defense advisor. he is in central london studio general. i'm in your thoughts once again. now as we come to, i mean, i suppose there are 4 distinct phases of the day here. a phase one was, was the procession from the eye for westminster hall to the abbey. then that was the service itself. then there was the that the, the, the procession, a to windsor. finally, and even that is broken up into 2 chunks as the bit. but we, the public will see, and that of course, the private internment after that. what's the, it's of a long day. and again, going back to the,

the planning for this ceremony and both the desire and i think the requirement for as many people to the public to be able to pay their respects while watching this extra re ceremony are unfold. ah, and so far and of god willing for the, for the rest of the day, it's gone. absolutely. flawlessly, and everybody who's taken part in it. and i, i include within that the hundreds of thousands of people who turned out to just witnesses of inverted commas played their part to, to, to most extremely high degree. i'm, i was going to take slight issue with ed's earlier comments. i was, i was, i was on operations in kosovo in 2002 when the queen mother died. and it was the time of cobra tanya, under attorney blair's. gov and i think we all slightly held our breath. patriotic royalists that we were on that whether anybody would turn out took, took to, to acknowledge the sort of death of a 101 year old woman. and unbelievably,

of course you've touched us that the heart and soul of united kingdom of a shortly after that we had the queen's golden jubilee. and again, an extraordinary pour in, and it's amazing. i think occasionally how people acknowledge the, the are the importance of, of constitutional monarchy. and when you look at the alternatives, you begin to fill up, you know, why not stick with some, you know, and you feel very reassured by a so i'm sure things will change between now and god forbid long, long live the king as, as they always have done all through her majesty's ray, but i think the importance of constitutional monarchy still still is, is, is acknowledged under fees to some deep, deep feeling for history, tradition instability, his reign will be very different though. when to them, he has a very different style to his mother. when he was prince of wales, he often make known his his feelings on, on, on various issues that were important to him. do you think that will continue when

it as he is, is now king? well i, i think good a history is as chris the will will, will acknowledge is littered with a prince of wales has come up, get a falling apart from the monic as it were. if you look up the person who became edward the 7th who every been to despair when he took over, turned out to be one of the most loft bollocks at the beginning of the last century . prince charles is not by that at all. he's that he's a very highly respected man. he's been a great activist, but he is absolutely acknowledged that it's a it's, it's certainly a mom, not what you say it's, it's who you are. and he has had 73 years of watching her majesty chart her way through this ever changing world with enormous dexterity me absolutely understands that his, his move from prince wales, who monarch means that he no longer has the luxury of being able to champion events

that won't stop him being deeply interested in them. he's got great convening power . ah, but i think he will acknowledge that he has to just be absolutely above it. and it's in a, in a sense for his successes, the no prince of wales to take up some of those, those charities and enthusiasms on his behalf. so i have, i know king charles a 3rd well from his time is all colonel. i have every expectation. he's going to be an exemplary monica. ah, but by goodness, he had an exemplary upbringing through her majesty of teller. general sir simon mailer in london. davis is a full ahead of royal protection. he joins been alive from snowed only up north, west wales, in the united kingdom, a tides good to have you with us. and what do you make as a form of royal protection officer of the huge security operation that we've seen today? well, i think is being exemplary. i'm just blown away with the coordination,

the structure and the way the military and the police and the other agents is coordinated so well. you could not wish for a better ad, but for a professional force or a professional protection unit. so far, so very good and as the general has said, i think has been exemplary. and i professor point to be think we will have an exam 3 charles the and the whale to, i'm on it to call. our friends is fight. we're very small. minority. think i think you'll be brilliant for the united kingdom and in the, the dominion. well, i want to ask you about your feelings about the, the day itself. what we've seen so far, the 1st and i know the question connected to, to the job. of course, we're told that an operation like this has been planned for a good amount of time. i mean making plans is one thing to swinging them into

operation quickly is, is another reason it is, but i'm very efficiently while it's being outstanding. there's no other word for it either. you got but for the police in britain allied to day allies, including foreign services, security services. but the main thing is it's kept people safe. it's kept people secure, the crowd management has been again fantastic. and as we see, i reckon there will be about a $1000000.00 people on the roofs total when, when people calculate i think it's a huge advocate for the united kingdom. you know, a lot of people, not this place, the hard gum. we can do these things, arguably better than anyone else in the world. and i'm so pleased that so many dignitaries, the presidents felt they could come here. i'm protecting them as being a co issue and a, the buses as well. i'm the beast. i think they've done it so well. the coordination

is just press safety in my humble opinion. i mean is getting 50 years home and abroad. i've never seen anything like it as well. coordinate from the royal protection officer di you must have been close at times to members of the royal family. how do you feel about about today, what, what sort of emotions and memories has it stirred in you? well obviously, having spent nearly 4 years at the end of my career and scotland yard, actually coordinating an amalgam 83 divisions, the uniform side, the thing that you see the, my company and also those incredible motorcycle s 4 people, the special ed school group. i'm just filled with pride and fad, obviously, the demise of her majesty, but i'm also excited. i'm thrilled if you like that we're going to have a new king who has had the longest the sheep of any way. i think he's full of

enthusiasm, ably supported by his son, prince william. i'm his sister, prince design, who i have a huge regard for her professionalism, or intellect and betsy to work so hard. i think they're a great team. i'm looking forward to the future with confidence, and i don't show you about republicanism. certainly not in this country, certainly not in wales, where there is a small minority who wants it. i think the warranty. we'll go from strength to strength, supported by arguably one of the best protection team in the world. it's good to talk to a fellow welshman. many thanks indeed die. die davis there for the head of royal protection in snow down. yeah. that's free. once again at owen's royal historian, he's in london and was listening to the conversation i had with di. what did you make, what i was saying, that i pick up on dies last comments and there's

33. well, it's interesting me this conversation from wales as well. no, i think, i think does absolutely right. i don't think there's any great push for republicanism in the u. k. the moment the current sort of republican movement is pretty ineffectual, hasn't really garnered significant support within, just within society. you know, the, the greatest threat to the monarchy really came in the late 19th century, and then jeering the, the, the sort of the middle years of the 1st world war. there was a search really in monotheism, as opposed to fully fledged republicanism. but the sort of the dest public relations maneuvering of. then king george, the elizabeth seconds grandfather, ensure that, that brief threat to monica was seen off quite, quite quickly, and successfully within the united kingdom. of course, the, the greatest challenge that the new king will face is holding onto the union. there

is a desire, it would seem, or at least an increasing desire for independence among as significant section of the scottish population. and whilst it's not comparable, certainly in wales at the moment, plied camry has gained significant ground in the last 2 decades. so he's got, he's got a task on his hands, ensuring that the union's integrity remains. i think what we seen in the last week actually was part of this when, when monex had died in the, in the past, we haven't seen that successes embark immediately on top of the celtic capitals. but that was the case this time. and i think that was part of a public relations effort on the part of, on you king to shore up support among those key constituencies. the celtic nice. yes. and, and so, so it was, oh yeah, we,

something occurs to be at about about that. you talk about the know that being little appetizing in wales, in particular, for, for nationalism, for, for republicanism. a. but of course that the new king did go to to, to belfast in northern ireland. where at the moment a republican party, a nationalist party is, is more or less in joint charge of the country. i mean that it's 1st minister i'm, although stormy isn't sitting at the moment, but it's 1st minister is, is the head of a republican party. indeed not happened, of course, earlier this year that we, we, we've had a republican party take take on leadership of the government in northern ireland. the great challenge, i think the monarchy and links to this issue of northern line and is how it appeals to the younger generation. it's the younger generation in northern ireland for example, this are in favor eventually of,

of unionism in the sense they want. they want to see they want to see by the republic and northern ireland. united once more, overturning the the, the division of the country that took place in 1922. likewise, if we, if we look at younger generation, the under 30 fives in the other 3 british nations, england, scotland and wales only 33 percent of them believes that the monarchy is, has a, has a rightful place in the country. that it is something that we should be celebrating that's hogged in the space of 2 decades, 2 decades ago. 66 percent out under $35.00 rich money. he was good for the country that it was right rightly celebrated as an important national institution. now that's hard, so the monarchy has a youth problem. king charles, the 3rd has spoken language was prince of wales. on the

issue of environmentalism, as solomon is already alluded to in an earlier conversation, he has already spoken about how he's going to have to step back from some of those platforms where he has all collated his opinions in the past. in fact, you know, speaking on the, the, the, the environmental issue, demanding the politicians, do something about climate change would probably, and i'm of the monarch to the younger generation who kept passionately about that issue. we can't do that as constitutional monitor. so the new king finds himself in something of a quandary in that he needs to appeal to young the younger generation, the one issue that would really connect him to them. he can't really talk about because it could bring him into some constitutional crisis with it. for example, he spoke about supporting 0 policies as he did when he was prince of wales because there are currently elected members of parliament in the new cabinets who don't

support net 0. the net 0 targets with britain has previously pledged itself to follow. so he's got to, he's got to play this game very, very catholics. i think there are, there are huge opportunities for the family. i think, di just alluded to a couple of the key figures that will be working alongside the new king in the coming years. notably, his sister princess anne, who has been a complete enough work horse over the last 33 decades in particular supporting her mother was her mother was alive as alongside her older brother, the most beautiful, the most i going royal public servant. i think charles will also be able to sported in the figure of his, of his son the, the new prince of wales, william. but there are challenges ahead. we shouldn't shy away from those. and clearly the new mon, his going to have to think very carefully about how he build support among among

the younger generation in particular at the moment many thanks, david owens, them in london. we are continuing to monitor the progress of the queen's coffin. ah, which has some travelled west along the south edge of hyde park. it passed through queens gate along cromwell road in kensington. if you know london that this will lead something to you. it then went past hannah smith, chiswick along the north bank of the river. tens at skirted around heathrow airport and is going past stains on the great southwest road. and his shoes who enter the ground is windsor castle through shore farm gauge. in a little over 30 minutes from now, at windsor castle is al jazeera is alan fisher. he's with us now life. alan, what's the mood that

well, i can tell you know that the area around the long walk, which some the other side to all windsor castle is no fool which tells us that there are least 100000 people. they are waiting to see the queen, make that final journey. those last 5 kilometers the whole length of long walk to windsor castle. and of course saint george's chapel, which stands behind me in the town itself, that have been crazier since betty alley. most of the streets are incredibly busy. the people on this side won't see very much and that already directing overflow crowds to the park. not far from here, where there is a large screen that has been erected, so they will be able to watch the funeral service here at windsor castle. this was the queen's home. essentially, buckingham palace is the official residence, but this is where she would tend to spend most of her time. this is a place that just radiates history and tradition. the queen, of course, will be buried in saint george's chapel. it was built way back in the 16th century

. there are 10 monarchs who are buried there in routing charles the 1st and also george the 6th, who was the queen's father. the queen's mother is also buried here. and just last year, she attended the funeral service for her husband, prince philip, the duke of edinburgh. and it will be beside him that the queen will be buried in the royal crept. that service will be a private service. there will be a public one before that, but this evening the royals will gather as a family just after 7 o'clock local time for a service that is described by the royal family. as a deeply personal family occasion, there will be no cameras. there will be no media coverage, that's when the media can go away at when the country can say that they said their farewells and the family, the queen's children, the queen's grandchildren, our closest friends, our closest relatives, will get the chance to see their own personal farewells and to grieve in private,

al jazeera, allan fisher, there live in windsor. let's bring him once again, a di davis for the head of royal protection. you are listening to, to that. i mean, this has been such a a public day and it's been a huge tele visual as well. event, billions of people watching around the world. i mean, it is important. we have to remember that. but the royal family up are human beings offs rule that they feel that grief keenly, just as, as the rest of us do when we lose our loved ones and it is important, isn't it? but they have this moment to grieve privately at the end of such a public day. well, i totally agree with that. come into this, right? that they do have this private moment as you say. but, you know, as i was waiting to come back all and i was thinking, you know, well, we've had all the events, we've had all the planning. you know,

royalty protection goes on and on. the risk doesn't go away. is it 24 hours? 7. when the council is just one of many, my former colleague, my colleagues, still protect clearly it has advantages in one then being a capital. but you know, even the christmas day, we had a man who allegedly wanted to kill the queen and he had across you know, i could go back to 1760, when that promise you there being literally hundreds of incidents and attempts on the whole family, which most people don't know, it's a huge issue, it's a problem that doesn't go away. i'm hopeful that my colleagues as they were and now i think they've done an incredible job the coordination by the police who are in largely in charge of the ceremonial, but a didn't the best it was the protection come on. so yeah, it's

a problem. it's not going to go away and the more publicity was higher. and again, although prince prince, sorry for you and slip king charles wants to make the holy roll family smaller. in my day i had 22 to protect it, day and night. that's gone down a great deal, but you've got to review and you've got to constantly look at the threat that may come at you from a variety of different angles as i previously said, on your program and your television program. but i think it's been a great, slightly thinking issue. i think the young people won't face see the quality now leading the wrong family. he came child and in the prince, william, his lovely wife and his lovely family, friends, william, along with one or 2 senior royals who come out, i think so well. so the, in particular people really can relate to her. so i think they're going to have a strong team, a will be protected by, i former command, i'm full of enthusiasm,

no matter what anyone says. i as you say that the business, rural protection is the 247 business. you have to buy that at the very nature of the work, very closely with, with the, the royal family. but as we said, they are ultimately human beings. they play, they have this very public side. there's, there's a very difficult job there in the public eye. all the time, but how do you do your job without it becoming intrusive when when you have to protect these people 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? well to phone really want you have what you seen surrounding the co charge today. the close and personal protection offices, they offices who belong to a team. and in my day we had several teams or 5 team from memory. and each one has a dedicated group of offices, each of them highly trained, varying in rank for frank,

the rank doesn't matter. it's your ability one to communicate with a while to your diplomatic skill. and 3, you're leasing in term of being able to defend should the worst apple. so that's the way it works. if somebody like, we essentially was an off this one, a one and i will role when comes the particularly expecting the defense is of the palace isn't capital one says i did get out and about not so much with the role that was the job allocated to these very clever offices who hired the privilege of needing a case. now i would go out and i was going to look out. the emperor, when he came, his visit was very controversial. i actually went out to, to japan, to look at how the imperial guard, which was higher and very different throughout the same way. i also went to the us, the secret service to get and very different, where british and well she my case as well. we have a different style,

much more low key, but so effective and efficient. the big thing is test yourselves constantly and ensure your technical is that as well as human element, well trained. this is a bit, certainly as when i was there by the bringing fitness and also make the firearms offices. i'm not sure if they are anymore, but certainly i thought that was the central die. it's really good to talk to dr. davis not for the protection of so he's in snow. dea, in north wales, in windsor, in the center of windsor at windsor castle indeed is l 0 is alan fisher allen, the queens, coughing, state. hus. not too far away from me. that looks its and its going through stains on its way. now the outskirts of windsor wants to to happen. and once it gets them home, they'll make kids procession up the long walk and then into windsor castle itself.

from there it will be carried into the church, into saint george's chapel. there is a congregation that have been gathering there for the last couple of hours. this will be a better different congregation from the one that we saw in the b a itself. this is a congregation of a 100, were talking about people who are very close to the queen who are friends of the royal family who knew the queen for many, many years. and they will be there to say a much more personal farewell that dina windsor will oversee the service there. and that will take a probably in the region of about an hour, there will also be readings that will be him as well. and the one of the, the hymns that will be something is a russian him, which was also saying at the funeral of prince philip just over a year ago. many people speculated as the tend to do when people have been together for such a long time. how the queen would fare without the passage,

she called her rock by her side. remember, prince philip was 101 at the queen's on mother lived into her hundreds and people questioned whether the queen herself would be able to reach 100 years. if you reach 100 here in the united kingdom, you get a telegram from the queen to congratulate you. there was the joke going round. does the queen send a telegram to herself a few inches, $100.00? we will never know because of course she died just over a year after a husband at the age of $96.00. and so that's what will happen when the coffin finally reaches here to saint george's, chapel and windsor. then the congregation will leave the royal family with some time to themselves, and then there will be the internment of the monarch just before, just after 7 o'clock local time. at that point, the great the crow upstate and the orb in the center which

had been on the coffin since it arrived at hollywood castle in edinburgh. just over a week ago, they will be removed from the coffin. the royal standard will be taken as well. and then the body will be and tad in decrypt next to prince philip and just a short distance away from the queen's on mother and the queen's father, george. the 6 to of course, was never meant to be king. and they meant that elizabeth was never meant to be queen, but because of the application of his brother, edward that to george the 6th on the throne. and by default meant that elizabeth would be the air. and king charles and the royal family will be there to see their own personal final farewells, away from the media away from the public. the chance to personally grieve the loss, not just of a moment that was on the throne for 70 years. but if a mother,

a grandmother, and as we've seen over the last few years, a great grandmother that seemed to be held in great affection, but absolutely everyone. the, the crowds lining the roots to winds allen 5610 people deep in places. a lot of people determined it seems to come out and pay their respects as the queen makes her final journey. to windsor, as you say, following this, this private intensely private service, which only immediate members of the royal family will attend later today. what happens then? does life go back to normal in britain? for many people here, it has been normal for the last week. they still had to go to school. i to go to work had to make sure that the children were taken care of had to pay the bills. all of these things have been happening today, of course, is

a bank holiday. so people have the chance to take a break. a lot of things are closed and so they can come here. and i spoke to a few people who came, someone who come from birmingham realized that they probably were going to get me m as in the midlands of english. it's probably about a 2 hour drive from here. i realized they weren't going to get near buckingham palace because of the size of the code. so decided to come here thinking there may be a better chance to to see the queen's coffin and see their farewell and ask why he had done that with his young family. and he said he felt he had to do something. and so coming here to windsor, to see a final farewell on the final part of the journey, seemed like the right thing to do. i spoke to an italian family who extended their vacation in the united kingdom and they were staying because they felt that this was a moment of history that people would talk about this for generations. and they wanted to be able to say to their family that the 2 were there. in fact,

the man i was speaking to thought he might be in trouble with his employer because it's not a bank holiday in italy today. and he was staying an extra couple of days. and so people feel the history of the occasion. they feel this really is to a degree, the end of the modern elizabeth and in the united kingdom. which of course it is because it was 70 years long. everyone almost kind of took it for granted. and i suspect the thought that the queen might just live to enter hundreds and so could go on for a few more years yet. but as we saw, it was just about 2 weeks ago, she performed her last official duties when she appointed less trust. as the new prime minister inviting heart, as constitutional mon student only have the power to do, to invite her to form a government only they have that power. and then 2 days later we had to from her doctors that she was l. they were concerned for her health and that she was still at belmore. we didn't make the decision to move or to aberdeen royal infirmary,

which is nearby. and that, i think was an indication to a lot of people who followed the royal family over the years that we were in the final hours of this elizabeth, an age which is now ended. and of course, we are in the age of king charles, the 3rd al zera's alan fish f lives at winter castle. for the moment. allan many thanks indeed, simon mail is a retired british army officer and a former senior defense adviser. he joined us once again from london, left tenant general, sir simon mail to give him his full title assignment. it's good to have you with us once again. and you've seen the pictures of the crowds lining the route to windsor . ah, the, the queen's coffin that with state her, not that far away from windsor now. but what do you make about that? that the fact that women not only have people queued for hours and hours and hours to file past the monarchs coffin at westminster hall,

they turned out in the hundreds of thousands in central london to day to be part of the funeral service. and then we've got even more people once again lining the route. i mean that they're traveling on a, on an elevated highway at the moment so that there aren't that many people that look them in there are still people who've got on to a, a, an area of the highway that really they shouldn't be on. but the fact that so many people, again have come out to pay their respects and then you saw the pictures of the long walk in in winter. there are hundreds of thousands of people there. well, i generally think it's, it's a period of renewal. we know all the headlines prior to her majesty's death, and no doubt they'll be picked up again next week as normal, normal services resumed. but it is an extraordinary time for british people to remind themselves how they they're joined together by this, this, this loyalty. and again, i'm not hardly take an issue with it, but just say when you get this sort of diminution of respect,

regard all that whatever my younger generation has to remember in, in 10 years time, that those people in their twenties and thirties will be in their thirty's and forty's, and people always serve in i'm won't sure any number of us can, can recognize that, that we'll get a little bit more little see conservative. as we get older, we value things a bit more. we see the importance of tradition. and i think today it's, it's so nice that so many parents have taken their, their young children so nice to so many young people themselves have gone there because they suddenly will, as it is, it is more than just ceremony tradition. the smart uniform stamping up and die in military. they suddenly realize how intimately the monarchy is bound into our history and our, our current politics. and so much to do the stability and, and security. and i think it's just a mark of extraordinary individual tribute that so many people have turned out for any number of reasons. but i do think it's also an understanding of just what a significant woman the queen was. but just what a significant role that monica,

the monarch plays, but it is, is such a hard thing to describe, isn't it? is this glue that you, you talk about that, but holes of british society that together and, and here am i am, i'm a brit working a long way from home. and yet it as brits, we have this, this thing in common that we immediately identify with each other and that we, we, we just, we understand, we get it. whereas a lot of my colleagues here who are from other parts of the world, but a key american colleagues scratch their heads and think ball. i don't, i'm sure i really get all of this. i would. how do you explain it to, to anyone who, who isn't part of the commonwealth whole or british bye birth? i do, i think i hit what she this smell they'll if they know london, they know to be one of the most innovative, most modern cities in the world. but they'll see a whole nation coming together to, to mark the pass him and 96 year old woman. but as you and i know it far,

far more than that. and what i find extraordinary, again, is the diversity of those who, who pitched out there. so many people in this country who've come from other parts of the commonwealth as part of been o 4 grampa many, many people from the european union who become british citizens. many people of all sorts of communities in london. and all of the united kingdom were all, i'm just say delighted hope of picked up the importance and, and feel a sort of a similar applied pride to you and i, and the, in a holding that british password is not just the travel document. it marks out your identity as someone who absolutely has every right to share in this amazing spectacle. the ceremony was seen to day and take pride in it and, and feel and feel unity with the person standing next to the left and left and right. have you in a, in a crowd, or in the queue, or all as they all don't down the down the row mile at the moment. wow. and again, what a marvelous way to bind, bind people together. what happens though, when,

when all of this is over the period of morning is over? when we look back on all this of anton and life gets back to that, that the usual, irma, rough and tumble of us every day, british life and politics. well, her majesty went through her deep below, distressing times, bit with the private lives of herb herb herb her offspring or the death of dianon in it periodically the the press seem to get on a bit of a roll. i don't mean that, but the mood is let's, let's run some stories about the monarchy. so i think again, what's important is not, not simply the death of the queen and very sad that is as an individual by goodness, what a life will lead. but the, the reminding of people of just how important the monarchy is for actually the stability of the country and, and when you see all the politicians leaving behind their deeply held ideological divisions and political differences,

etc. standing alongside each other reminded that everybody is technically supporting the, the, the good of this country in the citizens within it. and the example set by that, by the queen, and i have every expert, expectation, king charles, the 3rd it is that i say time of renewal and, and does your other corresponding, di has said, you know, there is an excitement as well. um, there is an excitement and there was, is in this, in this country. it is the passing of the baton from a lady who has done the most phenomenal a job as, as a human being. and as a, a there the manifestation of the history introduced to this country. so i feel really confident about this country. i feel really optimistic. i feel very proud to day. and i like to think in it all those people out on the streets and the people now winds up or watching around the world or brit. hundreds of millions of british citizens around the world. we got the largest the us bora of of oma city country.

again, a gonna share that share that experience with us and be able to explain it to their you know, that their house in various countries at white. why we feel this way? um, so i, i feel i feel as a very proud, very sad, but they, they proud and very uplifted today. general, well, let's talk too many thanks. did that after the general, so simon mail or just plain simon mail if we, if we want, i'm sure we're old friends. now i worry. challenges is live for us are in windsor, or where the queen is due to be laid to rest a little later in the private in term of close of all the other is her a public service after a procession along the long walk in cambridge just behind where, where rory is of the mother, the other side of, of windsor castle. extraordinary seems we're seeing from long walk where ish so many people there? yeah. at least a 100000. so we were told

a short while ago that the capacity for the crowd had been reached along the long walk. and now you might be able to see behind me. there are crowds who are coming along the road here. they are being directed to an overflow crowd. area in home park where i'm standing, where they can watch her, the ceremonial proceedings on a big screen. so there obviously are many, many people who've decided to come down here to windsor for the final part of the queen's journey to her resting place. this her castle, it is steeped in british history, was built in the norman air after the norman invasion out of 1066. the last time that the british isles were successfully invaded by a foreign army. the normans built windsor castle then as a way of asserting their dominance over the west of london strategic viewpoints

over an important part of the river thames. it was used as a royal palace from the reign of henry the 1st in the early 11 hundreds. it's the longest inhabited royal palace in the world for the queen though, this place was home. yes, buckingham palace was important. yes, it was the working heart of the royal family. but we understand that the queen never really wanted to spend that much time there. if she could help it, she much preferred being here at windsor, and she much preferred being up in scotland at bar morals. this is also a place where many monarchs are buried. charles, the 1st is buried here. george, the 5th is buried here. the queen's father also george is buried here. her mother is buried here and importantly, her husbands are philip who died last year. his funeral was last year.

he was brought to his final resting place at her george's chapel. and the queen, later on this evening is going to be lowered into that royal veil volts had to take her place beside him with huge crowds, or at least be able to see some of that happening some of those proceedings. and as of watching things on the, on the big screen. okay. the state has not far away from you. now, rory, it's on the outskirts of windsor, what talk it talks through. what exactly is due to happen? what we're likely to see in the next hour or so. so the schedule is earth's the queen's coffee and will be arriving in. let me just check or time. are we thinking abouts? 10 to 15 minutes and then there will be a procession there though that the herse will drive up the long walk past the 100000 at least people who are waiting to see her. that procession come up, though the hearse will drive up and then it will be taken on foot or into the

chapel actually of rather large church ants in the chapel. there will be a a committal ceremony. it's sir that the chapel is already full of people. it has been for a couple of hours or so, so all the notables, all the big trees. so who are invited to take part in that they're already in place, and they will be watching that final public ceremony happen over the course of, of the next hour. and a half or so once that is done or that public part of the ceremony, then there will be later on a more privates burial ceremony that will be only for the royal family itself, an aunt and a few other exceptions. they will be there to see the queen her load into that roll vaulted and, and buried alongside philip series were

a challenge their lives in windsor will be back with you shortly, rory, let's go to the northeast of england. i was here, as i said, big is in the city of newcastle or the pin screens in many towns and cities across the country. i said, oh, for people to watch the queens funeral with much interest there in newcastle in the whole way. but currently, if it's empty but you're on, it was full with people. observe the 2 minute silence. they had war veterans or others. i saw a crying and just coming to the center just to pay their respects. and to remember the queen many people fondly remember when she came here in the year 2000 and to open the life center that works on genetics. and i v f treatment and also the football team. here newcastle, united lay the wreath, they observed a 2 minute silence to pay their respects the manger that the pears and the fans,

as well as putting up pictures of when she presented the football team. the f a cup drove in, wembley back in 1955 to then captain jimmy scott saw across the northeast and many towns and cities. they are remembering the queen and the screens have gone up and people are watching the funeral. but we have trouble it across the northeast and we were in middlesborough and stops, and d's and talking to people. it's very evident that people are struggling. the country is going through a cost of living crises. we spoke to food banks. you said that they've seen an increase in people coming to them. and some people we spoke to question the cost of this funeral. this could been, could, could go into millions saying that they feel that that could be better spent. also saying that they respect the queen, the respect what she's done that recognizes that they should be, she should be remembered. but they feel that the money could be better spent in the northeast. for example, as the highest child poverty rate in the u. k. overtook london over 2000000 people like dependent on food banks. and we also went to man, mr. we spoke to you last name, minorities, and there seems to be

a generational gap. immigrants that 1st came to this country with some of them feel grateful to the queen. and issue the source of stability for them. but the younger generation actually question for the purpose of the mon and he didn't understand why are we having all this? and a lot of it, for them seems to be about empire and the colonial legacy. so, you know, there are some people there, many people the, i'm remembering the queen, i feel sad, but others are not so much. they feel that the money could be better spent. and others, question for the entire idea of the monarchy way with alger serious asset back, their reporting a life from newcastle. in ne england, the state's house is now approaching windsor, as you can see it's, it wasn't exactly going fast before it arrived at this point. but it has snow slowed significantly, as it prepares to arrive for that procession,

which is due to begin within the next 15 minutes. and we'll take it. take the queen's coffin, that is from albert road down the long walk through cambridge gates on cambridge drive. eventually to saint georges chapel, which is worried charles was saying is, is it i was gonna describe a big judge than a chapel. where as you can see, that the congregation is arriving for the 2nd of 3. so says that will be held, stay 2 of which are televised and that we will be able to see the 3rd and final one very private affair for a close members of the world family only. let's bring in di davis. once again he said i had a former head of the royal protection at just very briefly die. i will come back to you for some more in a while,

but we're approaching the top of the hour here. so at the beginning of the ceremony, but some that what are your thoughts right now as you look at these pictures? well, again, i'm amazed at the co ordination, but what i would say to anyone is what other country in the world who do you have? so many states, many of them openly coming to church relying on the british security. and more importantly, where would you get had the state like king charles and his family walking such a long distance? i can't think of any other country, frankly, where you could with confidence do that safely. i. so these youngsters, you know, the demise of history in school is a scandal. if they only knew the history, not only of the british isles, but other democracies, they would understand the import of constitutional monarchy. there is a huge base of ignorance. so a lot of schools today,

and i think that's very sad if you know your history, then you will be understanding of why a constitutional monitor keeps us safe and, and moving forward. and as i said, i have confidence in getting child and the prince of wales in taking that forward. we need more education for the young. that's what i would say. david staff in snow donia, which is in north west wales, beautiful part of the country. these live pictures and from windsor constant to the west of london me ah, i whether it be no short.