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racing concerns about traveling to the region. england will be captain by my knowledge. his grandfather was born pocket on my roots being from here and to lead england in such a big series and a historic series. it's huge. it's very proud moment for me and my family, my mom and dad and everybody. so of course that my family is very happy and my, my friends, my community and everybody who i feel like i represent, they're very happy for me and by more kept in england in any game, anywhere in the world. this is a huge on ah, let's take you through some of the headlines here now. just an independent investigation found the killing of al jazeera journalist, sharina blocks i by israeli soldiers was deliberate. the probe was carried out
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jointly by the london based forensic architecture. and a human rights group. it reached the conclusion after studying the snipers angle, sharina location, the rate of fire, a number of bullets used almost ferocity is the lead investigator and sure enough oxide case for the research group forensic architecture. he explains how the investigation was conducted. we've been working every day since the day that jeanine was killed on the 11th of may on this to create a very precise forensic analysis of all the circumstances of this shooting. how thorough it is that we are creating for the 1st time a spatial reconstruction and analysis, through footage and photographic documentation of the site that transforms the site into a model that can be measurable to the millimeter. with that,
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with the unprecedented or unseen before footage, we can locate the precise position of the journalists including shipping. while late as our meeting in new york for the 77th session of the un general assembly rushes war and ukraine, the knock on effect is having on food insecurity worldwide. and the climate crisis rolled on the agenda for in his speech to the un general assembly. the mayor of casa reiterated solidarity with palestine and cold from end to these rarely occupation was due to techie. i stressed that we stand in full solidarity with our brotherly palestinian people in the aspiration to achieve justice. the security council must shoulder its responsibility and must compel israel to end the occupation of palestinian territory and to establish a palestinian state along the borders of 967 with of jerusalem as its capital.
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russia controlled regions of eastern and southern ukraine of announce bell hauled referendums on joining russia. this week. it comes as kids counter offensive gains ground against russian forces. though the headline news continues here. now just 0 after inside story, stay with us. ah . the taliban has freed an american contract, so it's changed for an afghan drug dealer. the group says this is a new era relations with washington. but would it change anything and our diplomatic ties between the taliban and the us even possible? this is inside story. ah
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hello and welcome to inside. sorry i am hashim a helper. the taliban has released u. s. navy veteran mark for ricks in exchange for an afghan tribe, alida for ricks was abducted in february 2020. while haji by charbonneau z, a, was serving a life sentence for smuggling her when his the 2nd afghan to be freed in recent months in june as to the law, her own was released from guantanamo bay. he has spent 15 years in us custody on suspicion of having links to al qaeda, but was never charged nor z. a was close to the taliban founder. malala u. s. president joe biden says decision wasn't taken lightly. lee hardin has more from the ha news mark birds today is 28th
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november 2021. a proof of life video published nearly 2 years into his detention showed mark frederick's and afghan. a stan, the former us naval officer and civilian engineer, had been kidnapped by the taliban in january, 2020, and reportedly held by the how connie network. now he's free. his return is the combination of many, many months of perilous and effective work. tried so many colleagues in the hollow bond released frederick's in exchange for hydro busch, arden reside, and afghan tribal leader who had been serving a life sentence in the u. s. for opium smuggling north, i was granted clemency and received a hero's welcome at the couple airport and about the luck. my exchange, i think with god willing can lead to peace between afghanistan and america and american was released. and i am also free with the help of the lama emerett and
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mutual hygiene. this truly will hello. in a statement announcing frederick's release us, president joe biden made no mention of the prisoner swap, but said frederick's freedom require difficult decisions to be made. frederick sister thanked us officials and said what biden did was right. in order to save her brother's life, the trump administration tried and failed to secure frederick's release, and was criticized for not making it a requirement of the u. s. taliban p. steel. his continued detention remained a major impediment to improve us afghanistan relations after the taliban takeover last year. there was a 3rd off of the killing and couple apparently there won't be any contacts between the 2 sides. but this release indicates that despite the concerns, as i said, shed by the us and the wisdom community, the u. s. is still in contact with it taliban and keeping
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a sort of engagement guitar helped mediate the release of mark frederick's and has been pivotal and hosting negotiations between the u. s. and the taliban. now at least one other american remains a hostage in afghanistan and u. s. president joe biden says more needs to be done to ensure all citizens abroad are freed leah harding inside story del ha. the u. s. has refused to recognize the taliban administration since it took control of galveston in august. last year. american troops were forced to withdraw completely after 2 decade occupation. the taliban is not internationally recognized as a legitimate government, especially after a backtrack on pleasures to uphold him a rice and women's education. international aid has all but dried up pushing most of the population into poverty. the un estimate, 6000000 people are at risk of famine. last week the u. s. announced it was setting
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up a relief fund using afghan central bank assets. it froze loss here to prevent the taliban from accessing the money. ah, let's bring in our gas in washington dc. st. peter's work a retired brigadier general in the us army. his served in the nato. a mission to afghanistan in tuscany is graham smith, senior consultant on afghanistan for the international crisis group, and in sydney is amateur jamal co ofa of the decline and full of republican of canister, and a former member of the national security council of garrison. welcome to the program generals. why should we see this prisoner swap as a just a swat? nothing more or something that could potentially paved the way to a bigger american road in afghanistan in the future. a thank you for having me a selena, come to europe,
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your viewers. i would not get ahead of this act important on hostage exchange. there's a lot that can be a lot that needs to be done. we have to remember just 6 weeks ago on the u. s a struck and killed and i'm on the as our hearing are in a suburb of, of cobble um and this troubled the u. s. sign and in and in our allies in that and that the, that the taliban regime immersed rushing, had promised in doha negotiations that there would be no, no terrorists harbored in there. but the bottom line that was 6 weeks ago and we just had a hosted exchange, a prisoner exchange,
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which is significant. and um, and the foreign minister basically said that he or afghan foreign minister did state that this up as a new chapter. so some things happen and there's a lot going on in the world around afghanistan and involving a nation's and so i would see there's not is a breakthrough, but it is promising, especially if it can help open up the humanitarian human rights and humanity. issues that concern all of us, graham it, when the thought about say this is a new era of relations with the u. s. is this an accurate characterization? no, probably not. that's probably a bit too optimistic on the part of the taliban. diplomats. some of whom would really like to see a more constructive relationship with united states and the western world. they
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have been really, you know, trying to, and the deadliest war on the planet earth and, and put it behind them. but you know, as my colleague just said, it's really tough for the outside world to completely turn a new page while you know, for example, the number one leader of okada is killed on the taliban doorstep in kabul. and millions of afghan girls remains shut out of about half of the secondary schools in the country. so there still are these i would say major stumbling blocks in the relationship between the taliban and the at world a hammer. as you know, the, the taliban have been desperate for international recognition from the americans in particular because they know that diplomatic recognition would follow from the international community. cash would flow into the country and that would help the taliban significantly. now, after this prisoner swap to see an opportunity for the taliban to further expand it,
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switch towards different countries all over the world. thank you for having me. first of all, i think i would echo the previous. yes, you had that it would be a bit to church, a say that this would lay the foundation for any move towards the recognition of the taliban. formal recognition of the taliban because we know that informally both the us but also other rival countries in the region like china pockets and russia. non level countries like pakistan have relationships with a ton of on some of those relationships are to the level of actually accepting tele bon, designated so called diplomats in the embassies that are still active, that were accredited to the former republican government of afghanistan. but having said that, i think it is important for us to recognize that hydro, but she knows i is actually another major, numerous i a tribal leader who is also of the same tribe as the supreme leader of
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the taliban at the moment. so on the if, if the americans actually got a citizen back, the taliban got a founding father back and founded father who is very closely related to the tribal leader. and the reason why i call him a founding father is because he was there and milan, omar was astounding, the taller bone and trying to build something out of nothing. and he was there being a financier and using his networks. so here is a man who is walked in both worlds, the telephones world and the americans world. and he's a been able to maintain his relationships in both. so to the extent that significant, i think it, it becomes on the taliban side. but we do not expect any major shift towards formal diplomatic recognition of the taliban, for the reasons that were described earlier. general vog, you yourself enough kind of need to understand that the country presents america with an extraordinary dilemma,
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which is basically when the americans pulled out they left behind a political vacuum. there was exploited by many and the case of a melissa, why had it was just an indication of the danger of it not being there, but at the same time, how do you think will the americans think about any potential rapprochement with the taliban in the near future is going to be a very cautious, prolonged political process. oh absolutely. it will be prolonged and are cautious. oh, that the, the poly bon, the on m r i t must, must show us sincere results. and this is wine. a tsar here is a death was so important because it was a signal from us and our allies that no, you can't harbor trans national terrorists on your land. as you said, you would not. all right, 6 weeks later we,
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we had this extraordinary meeting at the airport in exchange. that is an opening. that is, that is shows open mindedness and pragmatism on both sides. now the devil being the details is my colleague said, and will there be human rights or will, will girls be able go back to school on all these issue? oh, can natalie bon get a handle on isis? her a son that are continues to kill and maim primarily hosario and she writes so, so, and so, and, and that was a bad things happened there this year saying that we are in a bit of a new age, great game in the region. and while the u. s, i believe has no interest 0 of having boots on the ground there, they have shown they have an over the horizon presence. and there are issues with the holly bonds neighbors. and i think that the taliban leadership feels it.
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whether it is iraq, whether it is pakistan or china, russia, and other regional, a neighbors grain. now the, the americas as generals mike has just said have absolutely no interest in sending boots on the ground in an a time in the future. i think they do understand of the same time in the keep freezing the central the african center bank assets in the u . s. that has the potential to just create a chaos, enough gunnison and i think ultimate of the americas. a premise concerned about a chaotic scenario. and this integration of afghanistan. yeah, i think that's exactly right at this point. american interests i think, are primarily in stability in preventing the large scale proliferation of weapons and militancy throughout the region. and probably in assisting your pin partners in stemming the flow of migration to europe. and so, for all those reasons, yes, the united states in the western world have been to re investing in trying to put
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the pieces back together to quite literally keep the lights on in afghanistan. and as you saw that with, as you mentioned the, the recent movement on the central banking assets, which we put into a trust fund engine in geneva. initially it will be $3500000000.00 us dollars, but it could grow as other parts of the frozen assets are collected. and that will hopefully allow for a bit of macroeconomic stability. hopefully, you know, some slow and calibrated flow of money back into d a be the central bank and that will allow for, for the economy to get back on its feet. and so yes, it is odd after everything that's happened for the outside world to be helping the taliban with an economic recovery. but that's exactly what's required at this moment. a hammer with all the international concerns about the, the way they are, the taliban are handling the daily business of their own country. they remain
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extremely powerful. this seems to be absolutely no genuine challenge of their own authority. do you think that this could be an indication to everybody that pragmatism should prevail and that one day or another the world has to come to deal with the taliban? this is really not the 1st time that the u. s. has engaged in an exchange of a hostage for a convicted taller, one prisoner or other type of tolerable leader. but all the talk non tolerable actors. and that's kind of fun today from the national resistance front, which is an armed opposition resistance front group to the girls and the groups that are being targeted, including that as our, as the insurers, civilians. and even the churchmen turkic ethnic groups are watching. because this will not be the 1st time that the u. s. has been calculated and has been pragmatic, but it is another indicator that anyone expecting the us to commit to a notion of human rights, political inclusion,
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and sustain that commitment when the go and really gets tough. they had should really double check their assumptions. because the mere fact that the u. s. is dealing with the taliban mere weeks after they killed the leader of al qaeda in their capital under the taliban protection, i think is reason for the pragmatism that the americans are approaching this with. and it strengthens the taliban significantly. you know, it's kind of stunned because it's signals not, not just the people, enough kind of son who oppose the taliban, who are asking for their rights, including the school girls. but also other actors in the region. we're thinking about supporting the opposition and the rights of the african people that the u. s . which is a major actor in this equation, remains absolutely disinterested at and in those notions at this moment, at a level that they can commit and follow through. when, when it really matters general thought, this is an extraordinary part of the world amid an ever changing political
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landscape well would from your own directive, consider you to an effective us strategy. and i've got is that in the near future, should the americans in a way, another way, shape what they want to achieve when it comes up based like i've got it then under the current circumstances a 1st i'd like to just follow up with my colleague statement there is a resistance in, in afghanistan to the cali, bon that goes beyond isis. and my colleague mentioned the national resistance front . that contest, about 7 of provinces. it's estimated primarily in the north and north of north east. and that, and in the, in the taliban has had to send up forces troops to try to fight this. so, so it, it's beyond isis and it is contested. and primarily the lands that sort of neighbor of the, of central asia. ok. so you've got that. i think as far as the u. s.
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equities and everything else, i think it's, it's a matter of being a being a totally direct um and looking up for a tangible, palpable a poly bon acts that would open it up. and yes, the region on it is a, a cross flow of influence. and, and, um, agenda, all these countries are up there and, and afghanistan hours per it's, it's st. remains the crossroads. i think. one reason that they reach out again is, is the monetary side. it's a recognition, but it is a power on recognition. they live in a tough neighborhood. um and um and that could only get tougher of if there are, if there control ah rigid control. it starts get really, really brittle and, and fracture along the edges and grammar. do you think this could be the perfect
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moment full key player, such as russia unsigned a to pull of gun is done towards the own fit of influence? well, yes, they've certainly been trying. i spoke to someone who is in a meeting with the chinese foreign minister in kabul, and they were promising a lot of things they were talking about extending the so called beltran road initiative, all the way into afghanistan, building railways and reopening mining projects. and so yeah, there are a lot of big promises coming from america's historic rivals in the region. but so far it really is the western world that is spending the money to try to get the country back on its feet. and so the west remains the major player. and the reason why they are doing business with the taliban is because really, there is no alternative at this point. you know, yes, there is a small insurgency in the north and also in the east by isis. but you know,
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it's really what, when i was back there recently, i was, you know, i've been busy in the country since 2005 i was really struck by the level of calm on the streets. and so you know that the taliban or anywhere for the moment. and so, you know, i, i think there really is a need to sit down and make a development plan with them. you know, how are we going to do irrigation? how are we gonna open up electricity corridors, these kinds of projects because there is no alternative really dumping bags of food and you know that the largest humanitarian operation in the world just isn't sustainable or sufficient. and so yeah, there does have to be a morse or rational economic. okay. with the taliban. ahem. and in the absence of any progress, when it comes to he levites inclusive political process, women's a goes education and the issue of minorities. do you think it's too early to talk about any possible political reconciliation between the afghan different i've got factions. in fact, it is, it is the time to talk about political reconciliation,
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not just political reconciliation, but about a political process in which the people of afghanistan, men, women, minorities, people with disabilities or been rural consent together and actually discuss the kind of government that they want in their future, because this tolerable her connie regime has been violently imposed and tacitly accepted by the international community. and it is not accepted by the people of afghanistan. and it should be noted that although isis as part of a 10 islam is global california, that resistance, that is the national resistance front is not comparable for in any way to isis. and i think the com that my colleague was observed in cobble is absolutely factually correct. that the tolerable used to be that the authors that many of the large attract for killed africans. american civilians and non civilians are no longer doing those attacks. and but, but the has are minority and other minorities,
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the sushi religious order is, are being targeted just as they were before the tall one came violently to power. the thing about com is that it is calm in a graveyard, but you don't want to live in a graveyard because there is no life there. and i think the calm is observed on the streets of a kind of sun is what calm like that in which tall above her effectively silenced by force, any kind of life or signs of activity. and there will be no economic activity because nobody would like to invest anything in the country in which there is no rule of law that there is no parliament that there is no methods in which areas where they could read the business grievances. even if the, the agreement, the arrangement in the trust fund arrangement is finalized in switzerland. i think there's going to be major difficulties because the political environment i've got a son is going to same. so as long as solid banner in power of very little things
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very little is going to change economically and politically gentle us, even if there are outside that are check market i get your point. dental is what the americans have 2 sources of leverage, international recognition, and a financial assistance. now they're not on the ground. do you think that this could be a moment for the americans to reconsider teaming up with care regional players such as a pakistan, india to be able to try to reconsider what it wants to achieve when it comes to a place like of canada? i think that all always up to work the diplomatic track on is, is a carefully positive understanding. these countries have direct equity in afghanistan. while we do stay part, we have to remember one thing. they're also millions of afghans influential afghans in the diaspora in our country. that also have a lot of interest and can meal the influence also inside afghanistan and in our
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capitals. and we should not forget them. this is going to, yes, anything that we can do. we don't want to fight. we don't want to get in. but anything that we can help regionally to pro, actively and constructively, ah, aid up ghana, stan humanitarian, afghanistan with a without giving any, any a power mechanism to the tale. bon, i think it's just prudent. and as i said, there is a new aid, great game that is likely you brow. so yes. carefully, eyes wide open pragmatically and not. and again, there are no, no harboring transnational terrorists and no, no export of the malign behaviors. and then the internal human rights that mean so much to not just my country, but all of our countries. thank you. thank you. gentle's luck, graeme smith. i'm a,
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