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i hello everyone, i'm josh rushing and you're in the stream. today we're talking about hunger and somalia. the challenges facing a groups there and what can be done to help. we want to hear your thoughts and questions. so see that they're joined us in that conversation. we have a lie producer waiting to get your questions to me so that i can get them into the show. ah. the walls worse famine in a century is looming over parts of somalia as the horn of africa, braces for its 5th consecutive seasons of drought. the war in ukraine has caused food and supply prices to skyrocket. pushing many people to the brink, united nations says time is running out to save millions of people from starvation and are seeking more than $1000000000.00 to provide humanitarian relief. have a listen to what the stake in somalia, what can be done,

what must be done to help millions of people in need amid this terrible dr. crisis is a massive scale up of humanitarian assistance. as the human world food program we've already scaled up to reach more people than ever before, but we need the funding to sustain and increase the scale up. one of the major challenges is getting this aide to the people who need it most, especially in areas where access is difficult because of conflict and insecurity. we are families that have lost livestock. we have millions of people, we've been internally dipped, displeased, and we are calling for donors and been dentist. local. we need to provide more supports to provide more funding so that we can scalable innovations, so that can somewhat move people in. so let's look at save more lives. joining us to go from smalley land nemo hassan. she's the director of the somalia and g o. consortium. we also have holden ali, the director of the durable solutions unit in mogadishu,

who's at the u. n. in new york this week an esther the gumby, or the assistant professor at the university of illinois. now before we get to our guest, i want to show you the audience, a map of what's happening in the country. now the map on the left, that one right there, actually, you're looking at it now that shows where we are up to the end of this month in september, in what you see as a country in crisis. but once we roll into october through december, much of the orange becomes red. and you see an emergency. you see red flags for millions of lives at stake. and let me show you why. let's go to my computer here. this is a tweet from samantha power at u. s. a. i d. the map that has some of the blue and green on here is 2017. this is the last time that somalia faced a possible famine and actually didn't go through the family. you see some blue and green there. look at the difference between 20172022. what 5 seasons of

drought have done to this country? it has read like it's on fire, nemo ear in the region. what's going on there? what's happening? good evening, josh. thank you for having me. i think you actually painted a very stock situation in some of the moments where over 90 percent of the country is experiencing extreme drought conditions. with about 7800000 people close to 50 percent of the population. now facing crisis level insecurity, children are already dining. some parts of the country partners on the ground have been calling out for support to support the lifesaving interventions and last scale. and i think it will show for show the 27th. the difference between 20172011 was also another worst crisis quarter 1000000

people made at least 133000 of them children. i'm but 2022 where we are now is actually unprecedented. the worst we've seen. this is long. i'm conflict. you have the impact of coven 19. you have this drought, which is full consensus. i think the worse than 40 years. and that's taken place at the moment. and if we don't scale up the rate that the situation is getting, we will see much more death than in 20112017. the global community reacted well in time and a birth famine. we need to do the same show some video here. this is from the whirlpool program and reuters and i want to warn our viewers. it's not easy to look at this is to see,

but i don't want to be so foolish that we don't see what's actually happening on the ground in somalia. how didn't you tell me what was it actually like for the families there right now? what are they going through? i think misery and miserable is not enough of it actual hell on earth for some families at the mom and the pictures that you showing. i mean, i came back to somebody on talk 2011 at the height of the famine in it's starting to look like that. we haven't seen really dramatically the same numbers, but the images that are starting to show are heading in that direction. and as you pointed out on the map earlier in terms of the extreme levels of a drought, accumulative additives of consecutive on weight failures in little security. the impact of this then going to be much greater because communities have lost the resilience to withstand

a lot of these are shops that are happening right now. so if, if we don't respond immediately, i think we are going to see maybe a double. what we've saw in 2011 so that you know, those images that you're showing now, even in not that's not just the rural areas. we're seeing images of that in lot of the show, the capital of the country. how on earth, i think. yeah, i was actually going to ask you, ah, it also starts want to bring him some voices from or util community. this is louis still says, how was spearman still a thing in this day and age and what ways could world powers help to solve the issue we're going to get to solving at toward the end of the show. but 1st i want to say, well how, how does this keep happening? why is the same exactly, exactly, that is the reason. and we know why it's hot and it's because every year when droughts happen in the home of africa, all we do is jump out of the 8. we put a,

bonded, we put a bonded and we know that we don't do any long term concrete actions. and for example, we, us, for right now the u. n. is people for a to 1000000 with that thought 18000000, it's all going to be spent on immediate to a vot junglin from guy. but why are we not looking concrete measures? why is a we have in drought, climate change? most of the communities are depending on grain fed agriculture to produce crops that livestock to i, depending on great, they're failing, we cannot be and completely andre. so it is important to realize that all we are doing is, every year, having this temporary, ah, measures not to concrete measures when even if we have concrete measures,

what we're going to look at and as raphael, what is happening to see here what is walking, what is not walking so that we can scale this best practices again when it happens next year after he brought in the you, well, we actually have a comment from the un commission for human rights ravine, a sham dasani. here's what she had to say about it. the ongoing conflict with elisha bab complicates the humanitarian response in terms of gaining access to many of those who are in need. children, women, and older persons are bearing the brunt of the crisis. as the majority of people displaced by drought, this makes children more vulnerable to abuse and exploitation, to recruitment and to use by armed forces and groups, and at risk of sexual violence. the drought is already resulting in increase fighting over ever scarcer resources, which has led to larger displacement of communities and an increase in violence

against women and children. her name is emma. he wanted to jump in there, but what i was picking up from asked her was sounds like, if we keep putting the band aid on it that this is gonna get worse year after year . does that? does that ring true to you? absolutely, i totally agree with that and i think, i mean obviously somebody has been in crisis for the last 50 years and you know, this area the home because it's not prone to drought, but the current climate crisis actually proportionally affecting communities and especially the poor communities who have been hit by one crisis off the other. and i totally agree that we are focus the money that i see. the response is totally focused on the band aid to humanitarian life saving. what we need to do is to invest in those shots on long term development programs. we need to go beyond the humanitarian response and approach. this problem will,

which certainly will come back again and again from a development angle. you know, we need to be asked to sit and questions on how can somebody adapt to climate change, which actually a nice contributor to the current crisis. and how can it, she'll, its population from the negative impact of climate change? how resilient are the economy and public finances to natural disaster and climate change? these are the questions that need to be answered by all the stakeholders, including donors and the somebody government to ensure that these fundable communities can withstand these constant shots that are predictable coming back. i want to get you in on this, but guys, i want to share something on my computer real quick because it seems to me that somalia is often at the tail end of what crises are happening around the rest of the world. seem to like land and hit harder in somalia. so for example, the war in ukraine is having a mass effect effect in somalia. but just this week the cabinet ministers of

ukraine have allocated approximately $12000000.00 to provide humanitarian, a. d t o, p and somalia would suffer from view shortage. this is coming through odessa. well, how long should wait until the an 8 tonight is the question. that is the question. every step called every leader including those who are attending the own gullies. yeah. those are the questions that we should be asking, and demanding answers, immediate answers and answers that have concrete action. so as i said, we need to ask these questions that anyone, jerry, you're at the u. n. g o r r u, as in those questions in our people responding. so i can pick up where esther left off and also maybe the video. i think it's easier to justify the problem that as somebody is crisis right now to security, etc, etc. i think there's a failure in terms of the aid system in the infrastructure that is in somalia. we

are missing the point. i mean, obviously right now we're about saving lives and obviously we need to raise funds to quote unquote, save nice of beyond the saving lives. i. ready our government, the somali government needs to start acting and asking the right questions around how that money that the the country is allocated is being spent. we know on the ground that the money that some money receives is not efficiently spent on resilient building programs, water infrastructure, diversification of ha likelihoods, and etc, etc. and i think it's so long as we keep sidestepping the real problems, we're going to be yet another famine in a couple of years. the issue of climate is just one issue that has derailed the other interventions in somalia, obviously now with exacerbating everything. but there is a system infrastructure issue in terms of from donor giving money to you and agencies implementing programs and the lack of sort of read

a long term strategy around. how do you listen? somali is a income or, or lame that comes, comes from life stuck in farming. yet we have that in been little to support those communities who have been very little to actually maybe move this communities from, from those particular skills to other skills. or they can start, you know, living life rather than being saved all the time from 2011 till now. the displacement capone of somebody has doubled. so now nearly 40 percent of the population was or one in to be some mileage is displaced by the end of this year's drought, or hopefully not a famine. we're going to much more people displace. yes, we continue to fund emergencies rather than sustainable development programs. i think so long as you're not talking about that, we're not talking about the issue. yes, we raising the issues we are in every single thing. so. 8 then and now hope

sitting, we are asking him, we are advising to invest differently and i think it's time also on the government end to say no, this is what some money needs aligned. the investment with the national development now with no ho solution that are tailored for local problems and as long as we're not doing that, we will be back on this show in couple of years. talking about the same issue. unfortunately, i think you're right, you're right about the one of the things i keep on you go and read and read right now i day or every one to open and read about do all we leave is the problem. the problem, where are we not talking about the solutions, what i the end, what is being done? even the journalist that report all you report is images of people that are dying at the up woke it's of ah, lights at them. look at the projects that are walking that can then be scaled. can

we, how equal reporting to be able to see? because at the end of the day, i think when we just report on one side, the east of the ishall, then everybody sees its doom and gloom. there is nothing that we can do, i think also i asked her how reality the news, right? if we were wondering about the famine and drought in small you today, we would be reporting about floods in disease in pakistan today. and if it wasn't about that, it would be about war and war crimes, new crane. i mean, we don't want borderline to take off and don't crash. that's just the nature of the media, right? yes. but i saw then i think need to challenge ourselves. what is it the n keels to start actually sharing? what are these projects, initiatives that are walking in the ground on ground solution so that they can scale that. ok, good doesn't. it does look no less. com, melissa, and weak in as them in the projects. anyway, i'm going to set you up. i sent you an email because i want to bring in some voices from youtube and you guys gotta hear this. actually some distrust of the n jose in

youtube and him i think you might be best to address this. but um we have muse, yusef, who says only somalian, people can help migration f efforts i hold on. i want to get to the ears as who st says the aid industry has raised billions. where's all that money gone? ah, there's lots of questions about the ngos, the money in a distrust there. kit, me more. can you address that? please? thank you very much. i'm, i think i think everyone hear the panel on the video some questions, you know, i mean there be the key questions that we need to ask ourselves across the spectrum where the government's donors. oh and joe's. and i think we really need to critically look at what we've done correctly. and i think we have done a lot rightly because many, many people where we're safe and happy and safe them. and someone in house is dependent on aid, any type of aid, whether it's human parent development. and i think it's really important. we are

asking those critical questions across the spectrum. i certainly think the government needs to take a bigger role in ensuring that so the probably finance is kind of someone stand. it's really good to hold you to the accountable exam. and exactly how that money's been spent. like i said earlier, what is really important is king at the time, the modeling, the finance model at the moment is focused on humanitarian, which is those lifesaving activities. and like i said, the system to him as him system has been stretched over the last 30 as well. whether it's in constant crisis, in some of the, if poor communities have the time to recover, 2011, you have the standing by the time 2017 hit. people have fairly recovered from the famine and the impact on their livelihoods. 201718. 2019. you have the look to my actually definitely to people's crops 2021 and 19 you

have cobra pandemic about the global obviously hitting the poorer community news is far worse. then you have the ukraine crisis. we success a bit that everything insulation is going full price of going on when now for communities is able to afford the full price of triple o w certain areas in the country. so i think we need to look out across the spectrum. we also need to focus on development 8, ensuring that we equally investing development short term, long term recovery plan so that these communities are able to withstand and when shortly um and they will inevitably come as well as to her jump in there. yes, i agree with everything and also we, i think these need to look at data science. what is science telling us? let's here into the warnings even as we are talk about famous droughts. we know that these already existing data intelligence, satellites, data,

we know that this is a, an impending situation. we need also to create accountant accountability across the sectors, including not only the n g us, but even within the united nations, our system within the governments. no one should feel like they are in their home safe and they should not be looked at. i think it's important to, but most importantly, i think i, we also are excluding people that may be part of solving this salad. for example, i think of diaspora, ah, who are people like me? we're house here who have lived in these countries where we can still, i do a bigger part of the intended is a we also missing in for every dollar that is spent on humanitarian, $850.00 cent is put aside to do meaning for long term development projects. that build in the resilience that we need and what does the

bat resilience look like? it should be a very, a well thought out. and when curator documents that we not okay. this is how we are going to talk on this. and then when we have records, we how we know what to do, we are collaborating across the stakeholder. we are investing in long term as we do the shorter, you know, think we also leaning in into everybody in the hold on hold on. i'm going to come to you next week. okay, hold on a 2nd, asked her. i want to bring in another voice from our community. this is claire in a city. and she is a campaigner from a greenpeace africa. and she's talking about solutions as well as her which here sir torrini is good, it is not sustainable in the long run. and so my yes should be looking at increasing its agricultural productivity. it should be looking at to putting in place of policy plans and resource allocation plans that to make sure that it's farmers have access to water so many back in became

a crisis just make if we ever get a country african courtney, it's whatever. so says ash, thinking, so position of what is important for it's from us to grow food should be looking at to provide me with such as we're gonna try to lays us farmers building infrastructure to help comp, footloose his in food waste age and increasing the productivity of key cro positions, so come and fight and we just enhancing security but to for production a is okay. and i'm looking at the comments from are you to bodies in that the biggest theme here might be, how can they help? we even have a comment from someone named brad lovely. who says, can't we create a specialized app or use current social media platforms to leak flash match, interested international donors, to the most serious cases in somalia. so there spitballing ideas here. i hope you're there at the you when, where it's, it's design to deal with these kind of crises. i'm curious, are you running into any kind of disaster fatigue from international donors and what do you think can be done or,

or what kind of solutions are you guys talking about not just for this crisis, but for long term moving forward. oh yes, there are low term solution discussions that are happening and i think people are as right. yeah, i think you know, the, the audience that is sending in the messages around. so i think there is, if the collective fatigue, there's been a mistrust around what's happening in some milan, maybe in the horn, across the region in terms of sort of the issues in, in why things keep on being the way they are. i think there's a lot of top down systems that are, that have been in place in somalia, in the submissions and the programming that happened or not necessarily bottom up community lead community owns local government and regional government support it. i work at the las pilot and it's really difficult to negotiate with

partners in funders, to actually support the systems that are needed to address these long term issues. i, i do believe that you cannot you can't and you can't talk about solutions without actually building systems are government system. so mine is government systems over time have eroded and now we are in the back. you know, we're back in trying to build those systems. but yet continuously you see a non governmental entities delivering basic services in the majority of the resources are going towards that. so long term solution, not only do we need to, their patient might of the hood and investment in community based programming. we also need to build systems because ultimately it'll, i mean, i'm in new york right now. and then who delivers, you know, schooling and policing and, and how can the, the local governments do with the municipalities. but yet, these systems are not being invested to build in long term community resilience. i

mean, as far as you know, here in new york, i mean, you can imagine that there's a lot of conversations about getting funds and getting funds and getting funds. but i do think until and unless we go back home in we sit at the table, especially those at the decision making our capacity, whether it partners to ensure that whatever funds are coming this year in the, in the, in the years the come are promoting yes. i got a rapper. how here work a fine we should on a 2nd. but i want to know that al jazeera is gonna keep watching this. we know that as we move into october, december, things could get much worse there. if people look in health programs like well, food program are out there. that's it for now. thank you for joining us. ah

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