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with british politics in turmoil could this effect leave his chances of returning power. this isn't a story. ah, ah, hello, come to the program. i remember on con and our desert investigation has exposed accusations of dirty tricks and manipulation within the u. k. or position labor party. hundreds of thousands of internal documents, emails, and social media messages have been revealed and one of the biggest leeks in british political history. the 1st of a 3 part series reveals how labors own bureaucrats undermined former leader jeremy kobus who was in charge from 2015 to 2020. his fall left a socialist policies galvanized younger voters, party membership doubled, but the leak documents a show party managers silencing,
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discrediting and expelling colbin supporters. some former members spoke to out there is investigative unit, revealing more of labor's inner workings. same who could be a candidate saying who could be a member. then you control a body politic of one of the major parties in this country. and i found that is on democratic baker to coo, by cooper people to take over one of the major political parties in britain. the files obtained biology 0 contain labors disciplinary records from 1998 to 2021. they show how several of corbin supporters were smeared by fellow party members and supporters where the false accusations of abusive behavior, which included homophobia and anti semitism with the intention to have them either suspended or expelled. and in 2019 corbin resigned as leader of the party lost the general election. now he was eventually replaced by care stomach britons, former director of public prosecutions. the documentaries being released as labor holds its annual conference,
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livable from sunday. opinion polls suggest the party could win a general election against the governing conservative labor nps had been calling for an early vote ever since. less trust took over from boris johnson as party leader and prime minister earlier this month. ah, let's bring in our guests in london, alex nuns, a former speech writer for jeremy colbin in glasgow. john curtis, professor of politics at the university of strathclyde and also in london, jonathan, less political commentator and deputy director of the think tank british influence . welcome to the program. i'd like to begin in london with alex nuns. i 1st saw that you're actually in this documentary eve, so you've now finally seen all of it. it must be bittersweet on the one hand vindication that you were right. but on the other hand, actually disappointment that it got at this stage, i will certainly ask people who work for general corbin or even people who are just supportive of them. and part of is movement. we knew all along that this kind of
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internal sabotage was happening. and essentially what, what was occurring was a civil war within the labor party where the existing established party establishment staff and the m. p. 's and song were working as hard as they could to, for the chances of the left wing in the form of german corbin's leadership. to, to make his case, to the electra and to advance. and so, so yes, we will. no, but in britain especially, there's been one sided media coverage of this situation where everything was blind on the left and the right where never criticized. so in your right is big switch in the sense that finally some light has been shown on, on what actually happened jonathan list and also in london. it must be disappointing view as well. but i mean, this is this just the internal workings of the labor party that have just been laid back, or is it legal? that's a good question. obviously, the labor party cannot be separated from its internal mechanisms, and that's
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a long history in the labor party, out of the kind of civil war between the left in the right, where each faction trying to wrest control archie. and so yes is disappointing and it doesn't bode well full of potential feature governance. but i suppose that the key point is the divided parties don't win elections. i doesn't make any sense to the party to be fighting a battle against the left. now, i just as a know, just as though the right party was fighting the left while the left was actually in, in power in the night party. and i think that the really, the leadership has said to look at the case, the public is not going to be attracted by party, which is focusing more on kind of purging one wing of itself than actually speaking to the country. i'm going to bring in a, bring back alex, hey, alex, in london as well. alex, you've heard that the actually this needs to be looked at by the leadership. we've been actually speaking to members of my team and i of members of the low party all
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day to try and get their sense of this. and the overwhelming sense is just as we were about to become electable, just as things were turning a corner. we're back here, but the point is this didn't happen overnight. this is systemic within the labor party, these documents go back to 1998. there's always been a problem. well that's true to an extent, but the problem is certainly intensified it intensify when jeremy corbin became leader of the labor party. that's when so for the rights of the labor party, the life became an existential threat. it's kind of self image rather than just an annoying, you know, relative of the experts. so so be definitely became more intention. corbin period. but i think it's wrong to just say what can you leave behind you wise to listen, parting because it's really a continuation at the same project. it's happening now. and during corbin's leadership, what sabotaged internally and then the same people in some instances, but certainly the same faction are essentially the people who surround kissed armor
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who run the labor party right now. and what they've done now, they've got a position of power. they've decided to jump in just launching all out of the less than trying you know like suspend, they suspended formally to jeremy corbin. they've expelled 20 members on really gps ground. and this just goes on and on and on. and it seems to be the leadership only kind of reflex is to attack it's left wing in a kind of a really bad prestige of the attorney plays. so. so this is a problem for storm in a sense that he's not going to have united party carries on down that track. don't curtis in glasgow. you've heard what both i guess of how to say about this. dr. rich about the allegations are within documentary. what do ordinary people care, your professor politics are upholstered to ordinary people. care about this kind of internal fighting for the most part. no, but it's certainly correct to say that on people are less likely to vote for parties that are internally divided in, in
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a sense. one of the advantages the labor party has at the moment is that is pretty care that the conservatives are divided. that is the perception of public hovels them. ah, it was something that was in the end, particularly fueled by party gates in the way in the end. or as johnson's government effectively collapse at the beginning of july, ah, this year, ah, as compared with that much. ah, the current arguments about the past inside the labor party and the way in which jeremy kobus was treated, certainly will not have the st gave residence of voters ah, not least on faith, because whatever his merits lo, jeremy corbin senate, if i bought the 2017 john reduction in the end mom, he wasn't able to persuade the electric that he was somebody that they wanted to see him as prime minister. and to that extent, at least at the arguments about germany, colbin, i'm afraid to some degree,
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yesterday's news for his most and part of your concern. but it does have an effect i want to bring in jonathan les, hey, it does have the effect on people's perceptions clearly of the labor party. more importantly though, it is a problem, the case darma who now has to publicly and the conferences on sundays, going to publicly address all of this and trying united policy. can he do that? i'm not sure that he does have to address it, to be honest. and i mean, obviously journalists have to ask him about it and maybe some will. but i think that he will stay the conversation very rapidly away from it. and you know, as much as john was saying a 2nd ago to say this is yesterday's knees and points out. that's the ultimate verdict on jamie, who been sadly, was passed by the rich people in 2019 oversee as the saying was the health and by the the factions in the labor party. it was helped by the internal sabotaged. and that looks, it sort of taken place with the bridge. people did not want jeremy coven fundamentally
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in, won't about the lay parts is offering and for a number of reasons in 2019 ice. based on that we'll, we'll make that point and steer very rapidly away from that to look at the current dividing lines. and i think that the point is that his job has actually become a lot easier in the last couple of weeks. because when johnston was prime, minister, and johnson was also very unpopular at the end, was thomas main lines of attack against johnson, the 1st bill and competence and then on character. but now trust has become prime minister less trust and is completely transformed. the tory party agenda to make far more for clear lines, dividing lines, the territories and labor such, you know, similar in a sense. now because of the labor party into a party by damage to the right. so we have a similar kind of gap between the tea party that we had a few years ago and now make it thought easier to stammer because now he has a political dividing line and he can talk much more about policies. and even though labor is to the right now, it's still much further to the left,
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the tory part to handle his trust. i think the public will be more pads to get him for that. i think actually alex in london as well. jonathan, this is actually put our strategy, put bullion unintentionally, but it's a decent strategy. let's just avoid that. let's focus on the tory party. let's forget any internal labor party workings, but there are going to be a lot of angry labor party members that will we've spoken to who want a clean house. they want reform that's going to have an impact. well, yeah, there will be, but i think that the conference staff i'm going to keep it the gender if they can. i mean, i agree, it publicly a lot of our to say this is all in the past and let's move forward and so on. and so forth and, but actually it does still present practical problems the kids time are going forward. i also agree that the conservative to trying to make it as easy as possible to start by moving. but i think you're trying to re run, you know, a factory isn't from the eighty's, which gives labor a lot of space. but the trouble for stuff practically is that a lot of the party membership, this affected
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a 3rd party members have left on the storm. i've resigned a membership or been kicked out. those tend to be the people who go around and deliver leaflets and knock on doors and all that kind of thing. the part is really in a financial situation because it's last membership money from all the ex members or say, because he's got a kind of touchy relationship with the trade unions who are traditionally the biggest funds of labor who are basically saying, you know, when we're going to withheld our money and they're all the big rich donors coming back in to find the party they were in the tiny player. so it's not just a political problem, this dom well, i agree, the conservative made it much easier for him and would otherwise have been if or something had been in place and still successfully was previously. but he saw some practical problem about running at the party and the makeup of the party and the marolla. john curtis, it seems to be that the natural order of things in britain is either send to right or center left. that's kind of where we've been mostly, although the wrong extremes of that when the factories, as we just mentioned,
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and perhaps now even with less trust. but jeremy corbin was always going to be on electable. so people working within his own party to actually try and bring him down. we're actually trying to do the party a favor. that's one spend right there. well, that certainly will be the visitors who were a engaged in trying to bring him down. although i think in truth, you know, we should remember that, i mean, he sat quite remarkably um, journey colbin in the 2017 election is probably the 1st party leader that i'm aware of. who, having being unpopular with the public, actually misty, considerably improve his popularity during that lunch. in his book, of course, in the end is that what he wasn't able to do was to provide his party with adequately clear direction on the issue of rex's in the 2019 general. actually in contrast, force, johnson didn't provide his party with a very clear directional not issue. and therefore, as a result, the limitations of jeremy corbin's abilities as a leader ah,
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were exemplified and also because to some degree, some of the things that made some traditional they were voters unhappy about the liberal party and about germany. colbert tied in with their goal. the most socially conservative views that led them to vote led them to vote late. sorry not to that extent. at least a jamie coven, to some degree, had the difficulty of being a party leader at a particularly. i difficult off, but again he could now watch it. bear in mind though it's worth bearing in mind. this will be the 1st labor party conference since 2017. since jeffrey cockburn did roughly by the 27th election, the labor party has come together for its annual conference when it's actually been a head in the opinion polls. and is one thing that we do know about pot. leadership is the party leaders tend to be relatively strong when that parties are doing why in the poll and tend to be in the polls. and do i tend to be rashly weak when they are, converse is true. so probably, you know, despite all the matchings,
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abbas he kissed our despite the thought is perfectly clear. while he is somebody whom the public can imagine his prime minister, they don't necessarily have enthusiasm for in the way. for example, certainly a section of the election had for jeremy kobus are not a majority. again, despite got because now labor does enjoy chorus has done too late. there isn't much sign of a pass for the new prime minister list trust. he will actually, in some sense is had moral authority. i suspect on at this conference they, he has done it to the previous ones that he's been designing of his liter. oh, jonathan, this is a very interesting point, is that he got a man that people can imagine being prime as the caste alma. but he's also got a party that he's got to bring together somehow, and that is now has to be the focus. all of this comes out. it's going to give people a talking point. this is the next year for him. surely this is a distraction that is going to take it is going to consume the labor pot encased on
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leadership the next year. at least i really don't think it'll be that much destruction. the simple reason, as we've already mentioned, that i think the media has moved on the media, which was very hostile to cooper anyway, and so on. might well, if i look at some of the moves that are made against him, because even on the evening, most of century, so left wing, east lightness. that wasn't a great loss to call in and the bridge media as you know. and i think that the, what the political weather has changed so much as you know, i just mentioned a 2nd ago that a lot of the people who wavering about labor and saying, well, it's no longer the case that any late the government is better than any concept of government and now on the trus, a hops being galvanized to kind of come back to the later fold. just because what trust is, is proposing is so radical and, and so on,
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cold food. so started on one side by the bridge. people you haven't had any say in it, and i think that that is really made is alex is a not really made storms dove a lot easier. i don't mean that this kind of disaffection becomes much less of a political issue. and because a lot of the neighbor members who might be furious with him, i might also be very resentful about the thought that he broke so many of his leadership ledges in 2021 is campaigns to come labor leader and then kind of dates almost all of those pledges they might ronnie to him because they know that what he's offering is a lot better. not radical, nothing like is progresses will call them is offering, but much better than anything that could come from this trust. alex, the bottom line still remains though surely the, this was a democratically elected leader that was brought down by on elected people the most i've never even heard of that at that has to make head waves. well i think the key point is in all of this, is that so you know, in this civil war, within the life of one side,
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jeremy coping side had democratic legitimacy. he was elected with large majorities within the party. the other side were using kind of regard actions, bureaucratic maneuvers behind the scenes to for that democratic mandate, even though they were mutually paid to carry out. so. so yes, so this, i think, i mean stories in the british context. you know, the british news agenda moves on very quickly. people say that's old news. but then there was something quite profound that happened in the labor party between 20152900. something unprecedented really, which is that an elected leadership was sabotaged from within by its own bias on site. and obviously there was, there were other forces that are acting against, like about it, you know, the media hostile mentioned. and as john said, this was an extremely difficult time with proxy, which i think is the main reason for the 2019 general electric is out. which is essentially a kind of a brack election where 2017, united, meditatively, well. so there were all these other factors, of course, but it is the very least
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a fascinating case study of what can happen in a political party when you have this kind of internal sabotage in this attempt at the radio. the leadership because the leadership is considered to left wing by the people who previously randall and john curtis, this is the stuff of fiction that was very famous film called a very british qu, which is almost exactly what we're talking about now. it was just run by the british establishment to see this play out. in reality, i just see all laid bare that must have come as a, as a shock to you, or is this just part and parcel of doing politics that we all accept? well, i think to be honest, i may be boss johnson and jeremy kobus should get together and started club for to pose leaders at the end of the day. leaders who are we end up being regarded by their party or by significant section of their party as a liability to them,
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are always at risk of being overturned irrespective of how straw. well they did a general election kept bars. johnson's case lawyer expected how well they didn't leadership election in the case of jeremy coleman at the end of the day, both gentlemen faced the problem visa v. that parties that a significant section of the of that party did not believe that they were in us. it and when that was the case, yes, unsurprisingly, people move to got me. the truth is not just a part of what politics is about. party lead at one of that a constant jobs they have to do is to maintain the confidence of their party. if they don't have the comments of the party, they are always potentially on jonathan less um. it's often been said of the republican party in the u. s. they actually should be 6 different parties because of the internal divisions. we've been talking a lot with all i guess about the idea that this is the hard left. this is hard, right? this is the, the with divisions within the, the, the labor party itself. is it time to actually split the labor party. because this
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doesn't seem to be doing les potty any favors to having these internal, almost constant infighting. the bottom line is that the layer policy is the only vehicle for progressive government in the united kingdom. that is a result of our natural system. first part of the place i wish requires a 5050 percent like not even 50 sent a majority of wrong in each constituency the has no, i proportionality today whatsoever. if you had a proportional representation system, then i agree that would be very good grounds to state the labor party it into 2 different shades of left wing opinion and then the public to decide which one of those shades of on said. and then you have a full coalition between the different factions to for when you government that is extremely normal around the world. we don't have that system until we do, then there is no option, but the lay party to group together. because if it doesn't, if that's
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a splintering, a slate. and we have seen states lay party before oversee in 1981 when several high profile and peace that awaits from the social democratic party. which then i measure the liberals. and also to a less extent, in 2019 west, disaffected and piece broke off and form the change u. k. policy, which wasn't nearly successful. you have had, you have high breakthrough breakouts and not always benefits. the concept of policy, which is managed to say extremely united and very successful right wing force doesn't have any rivals on the right lay part is always going to have royals on the left, right. such as the liberal democrats, depending on where they are at any given time. on the green policy, there's always going to be hard to lay policy and take, you know, the tories of redoing the electoral boundaries to make it easier to have peace. the alexis that rule come in for the next lesson. so the late party really needs to coalesce, and that is why i'm storm and needs to stop purging the right and extend all the
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branches because without the left, without this answer, this is alex is saying is going be much harder to win the election. expensive. yeah, she's spoken to jerry colvin since all of this came out. and, well, i was talking to him yesterday or today, but i've spoken to him very recently when we knew it was coming out. so yes, but i don't think it's a great surprise to him. i mean, i work for jeremy in the labor party at the time and, you know, this stuff was, was known that it was going on. it's just that it was very difficult actually wasn't in our interested time to expose it because it just made like a party that like a hopelessly divided you know, in fighting bunch of, you know, a rabbit basically so, so it was never frustratingly even though we knew the stuff was happening, it was never in our interest to say what's going on. and so now this stuff is coming out and it's good to have it finally confirmed. but i do think something has changed within the labor party that makes it different from those other historical
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examples are just talking about in the there is now since jeremy kobus leadership, i think the right to like the party, the left as an existential threat to them. they think that the left the genuine threat now, and they have, they want to get rid of us. i think what's happening is that there's a, an attempt to really push the left out. the good to exterminate left. you know, suspending german corbin formally. there was a very bold step, it was, it wasn't something i did lightly, and all the other actions have been in keeping with that. and so i think that even though i actually believe this is detrimental to the live part in damaging, i think those people around kissed armor don't care about that. and i think they're going to anyway. and i do think that we will have long term consequences and party in may well be that they can be is trust in a general election and me the cost of living crisis, where everybody is livelihood is the suffering. i mean, that's very possible. but in the long term, we've got plenty of examples from europe, especially democratic parties, essentially what followed out left with out after this left with our social base, then class. so i think no, and this is what we're going to the label. i want to thank all our guess alex nuns,
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