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i anthony ok on today's upset. that stream when looking ahead to the october the 2nd connections in brazil. there are 12 presidential candidates, but we're going to be looking at the leading to present i am while scenario and also u. s. and marcia new la da silva. here they are debating on august the 29th for you to the shade wife, the country i left is a country that the people mess. it was a country of employment. it was a country where people had the rights to live with dignity, with their heads up in this country. we'll come back, you can probably go to. so there was corruption, president lula. you want to come back. what for? to keep doing the same thing. and petro, battle rife, get little bit there for the workers party, the worse off the people are the poor, the better for them to do politics off those. it will, if you so much. so you have to very different candidates that what would you like to know about them on today show we are going to be exploring key campaign issues
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and what's at stake for presenting. and so you can do in a conversation right here in the comment section on you chip ah, oh, expert expert panel. hello. lona, i be honest to see is so lovely to have all 3 of you here. we are going to unpack the upcoming elections. what's that state? what's going on in brazil right now in? no, no, welcome, please say hello to our audience around the world. thank your family. my name is alina zabel, i'm the co founder, president of they got to get to have you. i deanna welcome. please say hello to audience. thank you for having me for me. i'm of the english market. my manager asked students for liberty, brazil that to happen. and cecilia, nice to see you, please say hello mazda c a to thank you so much for inviting me. i'm cecilia carnegie. i'm managing editor at americas quarterly. all right, very good. i am going to get you guess, to build
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a picture of what these 2 candidates are like. let's put up to the candidate who's currently present at the moment. cecilia, tell me 2 things about post now or that will be helpful for him to national audience to know. both narrow came and from left field even though his on the right. he just surprised everybody when he got elected. he is a long time politician who was in congress for almost 30 years as a french character who just exploded in 2018 as the leading candidate with a the scorsone, a rhetoric of supporting families. freedom which to him equates a right to have guns and against abortion and for family and specially religion. all right, and it did cecile, any of you anything more to add to both now so we get this instant picture of how he's campaigning. what is he's like, what did he style like?
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cecilia just put them in the right place, but i would say that these in a far life are right. candidates like very much like trump and the week there are been populous. authoritarian leaders that are trying to undermine democracy from where then, and that's an important feature for it is election because it to them, it's an election about democracy. we have so it feels that we've got to polar opposites as leading candidates. let's have a look at louise in mass lead to silva, put his candidate, caught up, and this time a known if you start with 2 things that would be helpful for us to know before we get deep into our conversation. to ursula is pregnant that came from the people he had the to context of mandates and was responsible for include the most number, the populations in let's say the lower and middle middle class. so he comes with a flag of we're going to be happy again. he last also with the corruption gambles,
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the processes that you are facing were notified by the justice system because they were not respecting the due process according to our supreme court. so he wants to come back to just try another another time to show what his par to has to has to do for the brazilian people see here, guy. yeah, and this is sort of a playback. this election should have been in 2018. so in 2018 hoola was ahead in the polls when he was arrested and taken to jail on the legation that the, that you learned just mentioned. so he was taken out of that run of right, a few months before the election. so now we're actually sort of re read the re living a 2018 election, but yes, lula has a banner of poverty fighting against poverty. he was a poor man himself. he came from a very, very poor family that migrated from the northeast almost on foot. and had,
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you know, very little education and sort of like pulled himself out from the bootstrap's and became a new union leader. very well known love to global that he is a relatively well spoken man. i mean, he really has the power of words and resonates with people. but so does about an hour in a completely different narrative. but he's also incredibly powerful in his speech id and i'm wondering what the atmosphere is like in brazil right now, fema weeks to go before the elections. what is at stake for sale at this point in terms of social conditions, living conditions, what might be possible depending on what happens on october? the 2nd well, actually we are facing a very polarized environment. right now. we're sanctions are like all over the place. actually, i just hope that whoever gets elected, we have
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a little more space to debate peacefully because i see maybe there, there is a, arise of violent speeches, etc. so i'm kind of worried that this may get worse depending on who gets elected. can you give me an example when you say there's a rise of violet speeches say, you've got a better view of that than we have. what does that mean? what have you heard? basically on social media, i think ilana, will agree with me that something that we see every day actually on where people are attacking each other, you know, you know, very hostile wait, actually. and it seems like we can debate politics in the city more. i need you start and then cecilia, you pick out of that. i know that these are the very important the so i think i hate speech. this information is information is not new,
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but it has been with us in the last elections. but just to say that there is a different thing now, which is a rhetoric, especially from been gone by and in terms of political violence that people should respond to any result which is not the result of he winnie with violence. take the guns that he allowed people to buy and then just in his speech, protect democracy, which is which of course, i would argue that it's against the democracy, but that's, that's what is at stake. i believe possibly utopia political violence, silica head. yeah, i was just going to add on a bit over adrian. actually throw you another question to, to a loaner because via we're, we're seeing just today in the news. again, another person who was killed by another one by an a political discussion. and the man just in killing each other, that was another men celebrating his birthday party was killed because he had lula banners around his birthday party. so this is trans ladies, it's moving out of social media. and we had this pushed for more guns on the
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streets, and that to me is those scariest part of this moment in, in my country, is this push for more weapons and elona? that's what i would say because the rise was what, like some 300 percent more guns in the hands of civilians since 2018. something like that. right? i'm absolutely. cecilia. so this to say, you know, i work for over 20 years in civil society and like with a non partisan independent organization. but we're here really facing tracks. sure . the more graphic system watha down abroad in terms of a lack of dialogue. we had the closure of civics facing this country that was unprecedented since the dictatorship time. so what they're facing now is really the, the intent of not accepting their was the results of the election. and of course, society and institutions are pushing back against that. but we're having to restate every day our support for democracy,
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the ground 3 and my organization has been leading the gun control. i say, initiative with another organization called the school to. so the last 2 to be able to have on, let's say, a evidence base dialogue of what it means to leave a democrat that state or people have to like accept the rule of the law and cannot pick justice into their own hands. i to on and let me share with you some headlines that we picked out their international headlines. i some concerns from outside of brazil, on my laptop here, brazil's presidential campaign kicks off. it made fears of violence. facebook and i matter is failing to prevent repeat of january the 6th in brazil report warns than imminent election crisis in brazil are these over wrought with these accurate i think it's accurate actually, because like i said, we are facing a very polarized campaign, political campaign. and, and since the beginning of the campaign, i feel that things are getting
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a little bit worse in this sense. um, because like i told you before, you go social media and to see people at tech and each other like it seems like we are not able to more to talk as individuals, will have to respect each other's views. and that's something that really worries me because i like lona said, it's democracy who is at stake. so it's important to us to learn how to talk to each other again with respect and peacefully. let's talk about 2 issues that are impacting voters and sometimes what from the campaign child is not what really is needed for the country. i'm wondering if there's a disconnect there, but for you to see what is one of the most critical issues that will be important when people go to vote and they make that decision hunger. i think for, you know, if you have 33000000 people hungry in the country, it's, you know, when he gets to the vote, it's one vote one person. it doesn't matter what your bank account is like. so
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right now we do have several cohorts of society that support one or the other, but a large one that they're hungry, they need food on the table. so i think that for a very large bit of the population, ah, because the 33000000 that are going hungry, then you can add easily several other 1000000 people who are just scraping by. so once you have this scenario, i think that's what it's going to count the most at the moment of voting. i would agree just that the cost of living in general has increased the many as in many other parts of the world. but brazil faces an economic crisis. people are like with difficulty the pain, their b. o. so unemployment. i also see people worried about health and education. so the public goods provision and of course of violence and security is always also in the order of the day. so it's a, it's a jobs economics and public goods election. what about indigenous
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vote is because often they all pushed out of the thinking of what, where is brazil going next? something that luna is always been thinking about, but both sonora has changed that trend in the last few years. climate save me amazon. who is that important to the voters? that's very interesting question i cuz i asked myself like, you know, you see the world looking at the brazil and thinking of brazil as, as, as a big amazon and to the issues there. but you go in to the amazon and you see a population that needs jobs and who is employing them, who is giving them jobs, illegal loggers, illegal miners, and people who are pushing deforestation. so these are jobs and you know, the larger groups that are behind this push are not the ones actually doing, but cutting of the trees. so you have a real issue that we're both in our support in the north, despite his a b,
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let's say a weird environmental a policies it's, it's very strong because these are their jobs. so i think that there is a great disconnect there. but if i may say, so given the indigenous, i think that one thing that happened since 2018 is that the indigenous groups got a lot more voice and guts and are getting a lot stronger. so i think if there is any benefit to the old is the, you know, insanity that it's happening on their situation. it's that even though it's the because it got worse to them, i think they got more of a voice and they're getting heard more and more active and more organized. even, you know, indigenous women are organizing and several other groups. so i think that there is strength in numbers and they are still need support from the outside, but i think they are getting stronger. let me just now weekly. sure. um, yeah, and i think i should have us. no, i think that was
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a very important teacher because it, on the one hand cecilia sulkily right to say they got more voice and they are coming bigger numbers. i think it's the highest number since we started recording the number of candidates that self declare indigenous. but it's also because they are under threat. your thought the territories are under threat, so they feel they need to mobilize politically. so you see a pushback and it's a, it's a good the push back in the presentation and we hope you know, many of them get elected. i want to just play a little bite from luna to silva talking about the indigenous people for sale on why they are important to him and also to brazil. of course, as having listened this country cannot continue to be governed by someone who doesn't like indigenous people who doesn't like black people, who doesn't like women who doesn't like union leaders, who doesn't like the amazon, who doesn't like serrato catania. the amazon rain forest who doesn't like it's people so we wouldn't be completely about talk about election without talking about
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misinformation. was the information out there. i think that that's now typical for every election that has any digital input i do on what's going on. you're what sat messages recently on one sec. yeah, actually i know there's a lot of fake news. we have a lot of groups today so you can go around, you know, in a what is dangerous about it is that information spreads really quickly. so i get something like, i don't know, at 4 o'clock in than 430, everybody knows the same thing. and sometimes it's a misleading information that i have to have about ask what kind of misleading information. because then we've set it on al jazeera but give me an idea of saying that itself, is he so ludicrous that everybody is not going to believe it? um, basically formation about the 2 candidate leading candidates, both scenario and lula, and a misleading formation about both of them. that's what i see the most actually like
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um, like i said before, it seems like people can talk i'm, i'm on a peaceful level. so they have to attack each other and most of the time using lice to do it. so, oh, i don't actually know how we're going to to when to fight this, because everybody is free to share whatever they want. but, but it's not, it's a problem. we are facing right now because many people don't go after information to try to find the truth before themselves. and they believe the 1st thing they see . yeah, this thing is now going on as i was just commenting, that is one of the scariest thing. yeah, and i would say one of the most of the mental one is the ones at the into question, our electoral voting system, which is a very modern $11.00 that elected including a current president. and you know that he and his group a tried the whole time to discredit the system, saying there is
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a secret room that would control and the fraud brazil's elections. and i think this is a very, very dangerous message. as unfortunately, when we've seen the polls, the presence 2 or 3, i do believe that the election sir can be further than that war fraud. even if he was elected. yeah, i yeah. he said that he wanted the 1st round. he didn't lose, he didn't win and 2nd, ready for them, right? not one, but example actually of the, you know, big run, you know, if i don't when the election has been stolen. absolutely. let me, uh, this is, it's so interesting. and you know, we spoke to maria, who is the director of human rights watch in brazil, and this is what she told us. it's almost a warning for what may happen post october. the 2nd i have a look president wilson that who is running for reelection has sought to, in their mind trust in the electoral system alleging without providing any proof that it isn't reliable. in addition to be attacking the independent media at taking
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the judiciary, there had been no proofing cases of fraud in brazil feast. we adopted the electronic electoral system more than 20 years ago. it's crucial that international community act in that way that support free and fair elections in brazil. and then the clear cut method to wilson that, that an attempt to not respect that we will proceed, voters will not be tolerated. so that's an issue that we don't know if it's gonna happen yet. there's some concern, but we don't know quite yet. i want to give our viewers watching this are a little snippet of boston arrow to see his confidence at this stage in the campaign. and then i'm gonna open up our conversation. we have so many questions for you guess on youtube. we're going to do a speed around and see how many of them we can outset and address. but 1st his pastor, boston, our it is good. good. we know that we have a fight between good and evil ahead of us. the evil that lasted for 14 years in our
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country that almost broke our homeland adar. now wants to come back to the crime scene. they won't. the people are by our side. the people are on the good side, the people know what they want. oh, all right, so let's go to youtube. got so many questions and comments. renato, for instance, says president boss narrow, refused to buy phase of vaccines. there were so many avoidable deaf c also not people dying without breath. it's clearly a death for our democracy. that is renata toes perspective, but it's interesting that for this home 20 minutes or so, nobody mentioned covered a loaner. why? well, i would say because we're dealing with the threat of the day, but that was a huge issue in brazil, 700 people, almost dad. there's a research that shows that 4 out of 5 of these that would be preventable if the
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government had acted. the president was denied himself as a denial for climate change, for instance. but he was against masks. he was against buying rights, him like vaccines. so our governors actually did a great job in providing motivation as brazil has like a very high records of immunizing our population. but as far as the now the on to back to the movement also real in the come through. so that was absolutely failure . and a lot of like a suffering that should be prevented. all right, and you mentioned this earlier on how divided resilience right now. how youtube comments are completely divided as well. edwardo new ella was the biggest thief in our country. mo, both narrow is i want to be trump. what do we get out of that situation? if we've got one group saying your candidate is wrong, another group saying your candidate is well, who suffers or who benefits? arianna?
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and i think who suffers the most is so the more prosy itself, because like i said, a democracy is a to democracy, to be strengthened. we need a scenario where people can dial, you know, and that's what i'm, i'm not seeing happening. so this is my main concern about the elections and as you can see, we are facing a very paralyzed scenario. so. so this is like a little microcosm of what is happening. i'm show in brazil. i've got this really interesting comment, hey, sissy, i, i'd love to unpack it and maybe add to it if you can. the brazilian people want most an arrow. but the leads one lula. that's one person's take. can you? yeah, it's interesting. it's so interesting that you know, and then if you ask that will be someone else who would say the opposite. really, zachary 40 both in our lives. i, that's the,
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we got the to the situation where it's not an election of which policy we want. it's an election of which, which met the which idol we have. so it's really a right now. we're having this dispute of like mike and it is better than yours. and this is the good versus evil on election and not an election on issues and what brazil needs coming forward. and i don't know how we get out of this, but this comment just paints. to me brings a exactly this idea that some people will say what he said, right? the rich and the port, the, you know, a seminar commentary would just interested in had but it's neither. you have supporters for both in both areas. you have, you know, real elite supporting both scenario and you have real, you know, india have the poor electing a supporting lula as well. so it's, it's, that's definitely not the issue. but if you get, you know,
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a comment from one side or the other, the, you, you are going to get this think that is just like we are in a stalemate, right now. we're not discussing issues. we're discussing who i like and who i don't to sit at that me is such a way to getting to pedro's question. we've only got a minute to answer it, but say, dates, i creep quickly. if you can patch, i want to know what are the main points and plans of each government, a lula government and a continued bo scenario. government isn't really clear to the voters that they got different plans. i think the public debate, it's less clear. i think when you read the programs, you'll see that that one candidates will not or is as moral the same in terms of what he planned to do before, but he didn't deliver onto corruption. but there are many corruption scandals in his government that the most secret student government, since they think they're shipping brazil don't know much. i think many things will come later. he also promotes the liberal economy, but didn't believer that he broke on that the liberals wanted the either in brazil
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. so lola comes back with a lexi closed people. let's also put amazon back at the amazon forest back into the, you know, priority was over the country. let's have a education and health as a priority for, for all. so i think it's a more inclusive set of proposals, but i wanted to say that that was to see a mention. we don't have enough data that looked at him that yeah, we're at the very end of the shows that i'm glad that you were able to say that very briefly. and that i have time to say thank you and lona: adiana, cecilia, i don't have your excellent questions on you chief, i feel i got a little bit of the election bonds right here in the comment section. that's watching. i see you next time. take everybody. ah, indonesia your investment destination, the world's 10th largest economy,
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