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national law and the geneva conventions, the bodies are held in morgues or in secret numbered graves. the israeli military says it withholds the bodies of quote, terrorists in accordance with government policy up held by the supreme court. the military won't divulge the number of bodies it's withholding or the location of cemeteries citing security reasons. but says the bodies are buried with dignity. the family of mohammed sha ham is still waiting to bury him after he was killed during a raid last month. heard the drummer that villain woodrum. this is an arrogant and criminal occupation if they could chop his body and feet. it's the dogs they would that hate us. so laughs, father hussain says, since her mother's death, the family has done its best to support her. alan yang ha, i want to be by her side and love perfectly. galen albany, a hamper who seen says the families waiting for the bodies of their loved ones need
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support too. he's calling for protests so that all palestinians can be buried in the soil of their homeland. natasha name l. jazeera abu dease in the occupied west bank. ah, sir, this is our desert. these are the top stories, and more than 700 people across russia have been detained off to protest against criminals, mobilization of military reservists, greece of christ. donald demonstrated. supposing the army caught up in several cities including moscow in petersburg, such as a protest as against military call up have also been arrested in siberia. small demonstrations were held and several northern cities. voting is continuing and referendum seen as part of moscow's push to our next 4 regions in ukraine. a secondary balloting on germany, russia has been completed in lance. the next zap preacher and kirsten are men are
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reported to have gone door to door to get people to vote. really in president says protests against the government must be confronted decisively. they have been widespread demonstrations after the death of the 22 year old woman in custody last week. marcell mini was detained by the so called morality police for allegedly violating headscarf was dozens of demonstrators of been killed so far into iran has restricted internet services. south korea and japan say north korea has fight a short range ballistic missile towards the sea of japan. so earlier said it had detected science at north gray could be preparing for launch soccer. his military says miss, i was fired from the tight john area. it comes 2 days after a nuclear power us aircraft carrier arrived in the south korean city pusan for joint drills. funerals have been hell for some of the 94 people who died when a boat carrying them from lebanon to europe, sank off the coast of syria. a lebanese army says it's arrested
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a suspect linked to the smuggling operation. commutable final campaign rallies had been held in italy before sundays at general election. opinion polls suggest a far right coalition that by georgia, maloney will win if so she would be italy's 1st female prime minister. yet state headlines, more news coming up here or not deserve right after inside story i've now ah, [000:00:00;00] with could lebanon's economic collapse create a new united tearing crisis. dozens of migrants have been drowned off to the boat, taking them to europe,
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sank more people than ever taking such risky journeys. so what can be done to prevent another tragedy? this isn't sized or ah, ah, and i walk, it's a program i'm in ron conn. lebanon's economic meltdown is pushing more people to take to dangerous c journeys to seek better lives abroad. dozens drowned off the coast of syria in the west capsizing of a migrant boat. this yet survivors say we're heading to italy. the vessel carrying up to a $150.00 people, sail from tripoli, the poorest city lebanon, many reportedly paid smugglers thousands of dollars to take them to europe. the passengers were lebanese syrian and palestinian refugees living in lebanon. and they all have the same story of being forced out by poverty and desperation. the united nation says the number of people who've attempted the journey as nearly
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tripled since 2020 didn't them, they brought me the 2 kids did. what about the others? would they bring the others to me? i can't say more than this. my heart is broken as i am a hell of like a number that law. if i get the chairs, i will leave if there is a boat here right now, i will get on it with my 2 children and i thought you might, you might utilize this. no more fear were just meet fading away that the fish just eat us. it's better than living here. the minute those in charge of eating less alive here, while his shakes have different palestinian factions. the un there is no one is just a people around you. you know, no one to support us in under java either do it. poverty is what pushed we, sam, to sell a property and his house to go on the boat. and then he lost his wife and children . our government doesn't care about the people and their living conditions. years of war, sectarian violence and deep corruption have all led to lebanon's economic collapse and is yet to appoint
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a president. the war bank says to find out who crisis is probably one of the world's worst in modern history. the lebanese lira has lost nearly 95 percent of his value. most people can't afford basic food, clean water or medicine. and the united nations estimates the 80 percent of lebanon's population is now poor and with no electricity. the entire country is mostly in darkness. a recent gallop poll found that a record, 63 percent of people say they want to leave for good, more lebanese and our living abroad rather than in the country and a foreign currency shortage. since 2019 means people can't get their hands on their savings. out of desperation bank robberies by ordinary citizens of increase dramatically, with branches closing indefinitely to protect her stuff. just this week, a video went viral of sally half as she held up her bank in beirut with a toy gun. so she could withdraw her own savings officers. she's not a criminal and needed to get her own money to pay for assistance. cancer treatment,
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she says the country's dire situation has left out with note other choice. now lebanon's prime minister, nat geo, le, cathy address the economic crisis of the un general assembly this week or to see yaki is would monitored as mac saw the, our government is working on a financial and economic recovery plane. we're also working on a package of comprehensive structural in sick toil reforms that meet the requirements of the lebanese people. it also provides them with a social safety net. ah, let's bring in our guess, andre route as a number and a board member of the n g o m l international and in the north lebanon in her father. patrick martini the founder and president of the lebanese institute market studies. and in hamburg, bands i sharla who directs the middle east and north africa office of the heinrich ball foundation, a political foundation affiliated with germany, that green party welcome all to the program. i'd like to begin in they root with
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a zayna nazena. this was a holy avoidable crisis. this was a corruption, this was mismanagement. and according to every single lebanese person i've spoken to over the last year, the wholesale theft of lebanese money. now naji mccarthy has been speaking about this at the un general assembly. he seemed to be putting the blame squarely on the fact that there were syrian refugees within lebanon itself. and what and said, we warned the world that we couldn't cope with serial m a serenely refugees. but actually these are palestinian refugees and they are lebanese people as well. but he did finish by saying, ah, that things were going to get much, much worse. and now for an end geo like yours, i mean, you're already overstretch. can you cope with much, much worse, and come on really for highlighting the light on really if you try to do, we're talking about what's happened in front of syria, both thinking with $77.00 casualties, only 20 passengers alive. this same happened couple of days ago. and the tripoli,
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which is in the north of lebanon with a to people who passed away and couldn't go for children and woman with all her children. and the same scenario we saw in days or so last week, and previously this is happening every day in libya. and this is quite alarming because really treated stage and history where we have the highest number of refugees and migrant. so for you to one crisis, but also, you know, due to economic situation. so the main foundation for this. so we're seeing this happening among the syrian refugees and the previously, the part is to me and also the fittest that they will be going to be out as the person refugees off city out. but this is also starting with the news, which is the highlighting how much reading with increased crisis. this up jumping into the c migration to the c is an increasing component. and we know that technically, this is called smuggling. where really know people to know that
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a life and doing what they're doing. and usually what we see in similar scenarios is that the family device, etc. so half of them jump into the sea and the other one stayed on the sea short. so one parent with half of the and the other bit and on the sea shore, because they know that our cost of dying. and we know that this is a part of human trafficking because it's a new type that we call it did bondage with the smuggler. or they pay the person who is taking them on the boat and to go and i'm trying to reach a country that provides citizenship that provides nationality and better sense of living. as you highlighted, definitely the political situation is, is very unfortunate. and this is was pushing people to take these decisions because they consider themselves bend on the seashore. but as you highlight is now many things are happening. prime minister mccarthy was in new york to try to find a solution and add to a half hour cabinet because it has been vacant. and now we might go into
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a constitutional crisis because also the mandate of our president of the public and not been on as ending by the end of this month. and we will be, and in addition to all the classes that i've been on is facing to, to sink into other children of classes that's with us in june before so full of all we as far as i know, we get into that whole idea of a current constitutional crisis, i want to bring in patrick madina here, and thank you for highlighting all of those issues. but patrick, one of the key issues here is the fact and a lot of lebanese people are saying, well, it's actually down to the people smugglers that are actually encouraging all this to happen. but people smuggling, just taking little pets, unity all they, they, they just a symptom of what's going on. they know the cause of it at all. loving, indeed, the lebanon is going through a very hard economic troubles. it has been qualified as one of the biggest crisis a country has had in the past 150 years. the liberties found last like more than 95
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percent of its value. so those people, they still make an income in live and found, but they can buy with the same in gone like 5 percent off what they used to be able to buy 3 years ago. so they cannot buy a lot with the money they have. if some of them have some money at the bank, and i'm year of going about the general relation, right, banks are in crisis, so you cannot be throwing money on the bank. and we have an economy session companies off was in down. no job and equipment is using massively. the g d p have melted down the last 60 percent. i mean the g d p before the crisis was 53. a $1000000000.00 today we are at around 20, right? so i mean, you have a total meltdown. people lost their income, lost their jobs, they also also lost their life c, v. and they don't have a lot of option, a situation in order to do the things. but patrick, this was wholly avoidable. this was, as i said, people have been telling me it's been well reported that this was mismanagement,
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this was corruption, and this was simply a completely avoidable we got we, we have to take that into account though we absolutely. i mean that, you know, many, many, many school editions have been warming about those kinds of things for months now. and they've been telling the international community give us some money so that we can help those people. and, and when they say they understood that the international community is unwilling to finance the government because of the corruption that exists, the government, we started seeing those kinds of things. so, i mean are, let's see that some port additional. so are trying, are trying to take advantage of the tragedy that we're seeing right now when this is, this is very bad and, and if those wanted to show you in advanced though things can happen, why didn't they, they lift a finger before it happened. but let's bring in the view from europe here we have
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with us 90 shallow who's in hamburg and a, one of the problems. and there are many issues here, but let's just focus on one of them is the fact that europe is now fortress europe and has been for very long time. legal means of migration into europe are incredibly difficult. that's only compounding, not just what we're seeing in lebanon, but other smuggling routes as well. does that need to change? of course that needs to change. i mean, we have be seeing ho your, well, it was never easy to get into your but in the past 10 years, i'd say the situation has deteriorated. it is really very difficult to obtain b us. and for most of those who are stuck as rapidly lebanon, or in other neighboring countries, syria for many palestinians who have difficulties having a legal status or citizenship anywhere. it has always been really a nightmare to have a legal way into your and these weights are shrinking by the day. and it's not only
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that legal means are shrinking and also that there are more push backs that there are really security guided efforts by security. all of that, try to push refugees back into companies from which they came. and this is of course not compatible with any human rights standards and the values that the european community has always been communicating with anti europe can actually deal with refugees. we saw this in ukraine, ukrainian refugees, they came almost on mass and they were soaked into society. they were actually, i've been fairly successful in getting people out of your grade and into europe. so the capacity is that, but when it comes to something like this particular case in lebanon, where the economic migrants, the simply the, the europeans, the saying will actually, you don't count as more grants. this is not a disaster. this is your coming because your poll and we don't want you. that is not helpful, right? when the europe has been having several ways of refugees,
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we have seen refugees say over the ninety's coming from from the former soviet republic, former soviet republics, but also jewess labia. we have had 201415 when really loss of syrian refugees came to europe and them in germany has been taken 800000 of age. so yes, it's possible. i don't think that it's a big challenge for, for us to have more refugees here. it's just populous politics that prevent it. and this is of course, really harmful because populace unite, not only in europe, but also around the mediterranean populace. at autocrats. they all try to say refugees are the problem, but now they are not the courses that force people to seek a refugee status that force people out of their context. these should be addressed . and these other problem, and this is not what populous want to talk about. they were just one to keep the borders closed and avoid that refugees find the asylum they seek and that they deserve. so yes,
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it needs to change. and i don't see any reason apart from populous politics by europe should chatted stores and buried xena. or you just listen to or to guess of, of have said that, i mean, what, let's, let's split this question into to firstly, what can be reached. what can lebanese people actually do about trying to stop this? is there a political solution here, or is the international community now have to step in because lebanon is simply a failed state. yeah, you just to put on your previous question before us on this one. actually, you were asking about civil society and really never know who has been facing now or the type of crisis. one is that he has the economy one because of the battle to blast, which is the biggest, after that hiroshima goes that the constitution at a set that up that really the civil society is making up the government so asked like i'm an association, has provided more than mine to be and so did that to support to the city in crisis previous to iraqi, the protestant unit, set it up. and this has been really alarming. states can support,
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but that definitely and we need to have international shed discipline civility towards these, my consent refugees. because we are seeing that the, the, as, as a highlighted, that some countries are opening their doors and others are closing differently because i do it to germany. what, what is the biggest number off the city and actually just seeing how much also they can play it on and, but i think the economy back other countries, the, the clothes on and, but we also saw the standards like what they couldn't in crisis or the doors would open jobs were provided that set that outages on my grants on. i could do them like this everywhere. so, whenever things are happening with the hope that that is sort of that attack or leverage lebanon has provided the biggest one is that it's a component by what coming one 3rd of its population actually geez, and compare comparison to is population. so for median and accommodate is 1500000 in deputies in addition to the previous migrants and, and this is really
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a model for the 1st one that is to forward. but the issue with a little bit complex on migration. that was a couple of years back when the main message was, it's one of the latest international does documents quoting force, looking at migrants as an opportunity and not as a threat. and definitely this is when the com and this has been addressed when a but in countries off the city in classes, which has been the biggest since 194 in terms of humanitarian. but we know that the solutions are always wanted to come. we hope that similar types of crises are source but the clean cornfield more the more started that it's the more and non violent i solutions to what's happening because the civilians are the ones being the 1st and most well let's bring it patrick bodine. here. patrick, you're the president, the lebanese institute, the markets for market studies is there. busy the market can play is there a business can play here, the actually allows for this to actually become manageable, because right now, the only thing that popping lebanon up is the amount of foreign written mittens is
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coming in from lebanese living abroad. right? right, absolutely. i think that the for, you know, looking at what others can do for us, we start by looking at ourselves. and the problem is lebanon, is that you have many qualified people who are good engineers, you know, our, our skilled label, but unable to be able to work properly. because you don't have electricity, you don't have internet. and those are the basics, right? many people who might be able to work on line make some income without the need to travel to migrate to leave the country. however, if the, if the government has a case level that the government has a monopoly over the production of electricity and they produce 0, almost 0 hours of electricity per day. and the government has a monopoly or the production of internet. and a, the, i mean, internet is in lebanon. right. and the government all the low, any other entity to come in,
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sell electricity or sell internet services in order to provide this infrastructure for businesses and people to lift themselves out of poverty instead of my greeting . and i think that that's the real problem. i mean, to give you a simple example today if you want to do a solar farm 11 and provide electricity to a good it's, i mean, you are not allowed by law because you have a monopoly somewhere in be rude. that would, you know, that would say that they are the only one i mean, allowed to produce and sell internet a story and sell it. and they won't give licenses to anybody else to produce and sell electricity directly to the population. i mean, some, some pilot projects have been made 11. i have been the issue that was like with the really low cost, you can give electricity to the population government or the allow it's finding the government also to start picking on their responsibility and you know, and, and let people out people to get out of each instead of like that, you know,
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banning them from doing this and bending. doing that. then say sheila, in hamburg, you've listened to war. our guest has to say, well, what do you think of that? what did you think that we talked about populace policies earlier and refugees being something that is a populace policy when it comes to bashing them over the head and saying that they're bad and them criminals and whatever. however, there is a way here of putting pressure on the lebanese government now to be able to open up its market places, things that actually international governments can do that might actually be a populous policy surely. well, actually i think it's really difficult to put pressure on the lebanese government. i mean, currently we can take a government and all the question marks regarding the presidential elections that are coming. we don't even see when a new government will form and we're how are you going to exert pressure? how are you going to be do something that makes it confident that things will go better? and i think discussions with the lebanese government have been there before. i mean,
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lebanese government has always reached out to the international community and asked for more help. but then the problem is what we exactly discussed before. corruption inclined to listed networks and therefore, i think what whitney to happen would be that confidence would be established or re established by the lebanese government. and the political delight that has been leading us into this crisis. they would need to signal that they are ready to leave the county out of it and i'm missing any signals of that. they haven't seen any serious plan for reform. the same people are remaining of power. there is no accountability, neither for the blast, nor for other assassinations that have been taking place in the past year or before . so in absence of all this, how is anybody going to just, that's an international aid? will we serve the purpose to, to help the population or to help civilians, lebanon? well, i, we will,
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we will get into that. let's get into that. but i will bring xena, anatole, by the intellectual aid. but it sounds like you have something to say, patrick. yes. yes, i actually, i do think that internationally is the solution. nobody's asking the money from the international community. and i know that your guess from germany every, every given or let's say sensitivity. and i do, i mean, you just need the government to allow people to have their solar funds today. it's, i mean, you know, we don't want money from germany. we don't want money from the libyans government. we just would like to have the municipalities have their own solar farms to give their villages and explicit or to license some companies locally to sell their electricity based on solar power. for example, the problem is that now when you go to the central government to ask for that, i mean those small reform don't need money thrust. you just need to ask our government to stop centralizing everything at the central government and requiring
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licenses and never your licenses. just allow people, for instance, to have their own solar farm without dental. and he has with us or he had to let us patch or we have with the zayna, who is a member of the amal international and n g o or is doing some sterling work by when asked the question to usina, what patrick has said it needs to come from the government is to be business. that might be the solution, free market economy. it's not the international community. do you agree? actually we have in leaky and other funds really came for the exposure and was a beautiful. so did that, it's you. but once the ukrainian a case took place, we have seen that a lot of money were china did, and we can tell you that. and she was here on the secure, i don't have a funds for the 2023. so the aides and the funds are the cuts and that he, gen, due to things and definitely this is putting into question what's happening in the job. but it could add a not whether that are a no and honest with the word going to buy,
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put out at the fort worth. and also looking back after the pandemic with 3, just leave, you can read it. that is, i have been going straight, but later we saw the quote for more social decisions, but not with steam. again, that's one dimension, right out of the, to go in there and where is the, the social justice went for state. and previously we're talking about globalization, but then that it is, i'm up and not only find it is on more security and safety. so these international responsibilities, what i should do on my grants really needs to be with the front a migrant audit refugee in a developing country would be better off in terms of standard of living as a country recorded as so differently for storage countries. i'm better off to, to when accommodations on my list and more sustainability of their living. and this goes back to the un charter that speaks about that i for development. we're definitely we, we wish that there are more funds. i look at this for sort of governance where states really should su,
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supporting that people because we believe that not actually, you know, my good would like to be their state and take away the culture if they had to. so we all want to do want to bring back been to have been teasing like you had some opinions on what you just hope. yeah, i mean i, i totally see patrick's point and i think all that is happening in lebanon on the civil society level. it's very marble and also the ability of private either. and once patrick has mentioned the solution that the government should give up on its monopoly power production. it's a very, very sticky point. they've been discussing that for many years because it's not that they hold the monopoly for the monopoly. they hold it for the benefits. so they benefit from fuel and birds. there are people who benefit from running generators and these are absolutely adamant against any other solution. this is part of why solar panels are not more common in lebanon. there are examples of her
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citizens pushed for more power in their every change they made is the best example where the community of the municipality was in the end willing to offer power spending power hours a day, which the government and they don't couldn't. and then the generator mafia went out on the street. so those who own the generators and benefit from them, they shocked. they tried to shut down and actually shut down. the transformation tower is the power hops that the local municipalities stablish. so this is for international pressure meets its limits because the government does not want to give up on these things because they see they can still benefit from it. and therefore it's not a, not an easy, not an easy way. what you're suggesting sounds so logical that was corrupt and really very, very hurried and, and conditionally corrupt system. it's really difficult to get these practical points through. i want to thank all our guests, amanda,
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patrick ardini and ben tate show. i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by the single website out there a dot com and for further discussion goes for facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. we are at asia inside story for me and wrong on the whole team that i know ah ah, the latest news as it breaks, this village is the 1st village in this area to be rebuilt. since this area,
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