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it almost everything are mainly to the opera them and them everywhere on the ground . conservation is say it's important to find sustainable ways to mitigate conflict between wild animals and people. that damage to crops can be substantial because a lot of people living around these protected areas are impoverished, and that's the food source lemongrass. one solution, according to michelle henley, who's been studying elephants for 25 years, is growing aromatic herbs, such as chilly or lemon grass. so if you plant those crops in abroad, barrier around your, your palatable crops, if you want to use as a food source, that's another way to, to, to elephants and to get income. another is installing, hives these giant animals escape of bays. the hives have the jewel benefit of protecting farmers, as well as the trees elephants destroy, while searching for food. the bay will continue about how best to manage the growing numbers of these beautiful elephants. what is in dispute though,
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is protecting these animals and preserving vine diversity in the area. emily anglin, al jazeera kruger, national park, south africa, ah, the 2000 here. and these other top stories, most of the candidates and at least general election of cost their ballots opinion polls predictor right. when coalition lies to power for the 1st time since world war 2 in proposal, correct, georgia maloney would become the country's 1st female prime minister live hours. so know that i am really afraid of the extreme situations that could be created if certain parties came to power, especially given the situation in europe and advance of the far right and other countries of the union. in addition to the war in crane. another important issue and ever weaker europe. yes, i'm really worried i use fail beveled guy. yeah. i hope for good things for
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actually because we are living in difficult times. and if people vote with wisdom, it doesn't matter if the right or the left wins. what matters is that concrete action is taken for the country. parcel mobilization order announced my presence of let him know putin, his spot protests across russia. the group say more than 730 people have been detained last week, who's announced to enlist 300000 reserve. it to reinforce troops fighting in ukraine. voting is continuing in referendums and eastern ukraine. oppose are seen as part of moscow's push to annex for regions. armed men are reported to have gone door to door to get people to vote. at least 94 people have died off a boat to carrying refugees and migrants from lebanon, cut sized off serious coast funerals had been held for some of those who died. south korea and japan say north korea has fired a short range ballistic missile towards the sea of japan. so earlier said he had
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detected signs that north korea could be preparing for launch. hundreds of thousands of people in canada have been left without power of the stall unit, hit its east coast and started as a hurricane in the caribbean. those are the headlines here. the news continues, though, are now just after inside story. ah, 11 owns economic collapse, creates a new united tearing crisis. dozens of migrants have been drowned off to the boat, taking them to europe, sank more people than ever taking such risky journeys. so what can be done to prevent another tragedy?
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this isn't sized or ah, ah, ah, i walk, it's a program. i'm wrong, con lebanon's economic meltdown is pushing more people to take to danger. see, journeys to seek better lives abroad. dozens drowned off the coast of syria in the west capsizing of a migrant boat. this yet, survivors say we're heading to italy. the vessel carrying up to a $150.00 people, sail from tripoli, the poorest city level, many reportedly paid smugglers thousands of dollars to take them to europe. the passengers were lebanese syrian and palestinian refugees living in lebanon. and they all have the same story of being forced out by poverty and desperation. the united nation says the number of people who have attempted the journey as nearly tripled since 2020. you didn't them, they brought me the ticket,
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feared. what about the others? would they bring the others to me? i can't say more than this. my heart is broken as i am a hell of what is like a number that law. if i go the chairs, i will leave if there is a boat here right now, i will get on it with my 2 children. and i thought you might to magical had elena this. no more fear were just meet fading away that the fish just eat us. it's better than living here. the minute those in charge of eating us alive here. while his shakes have different palestinian factions, the un there is no one is just the people around you here on the no one to support us in under java added to it. poverty is what pushed we, sam to sell a property and his house to go on the boat. and then he lost his wife and children . yeah. our government doesn't care about the people and our living conditions. years of war, sectarian violence and deep corruption have all led to lebanon's economic collapse and is yet to appoint a president. the war bank says the financial crisis is probably one of the world's
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worst in modern history. the lebanese lira has lost nearly 95 percent of his value . most people can't afford basic food, clean water or medicine. and the united nations estimates the 80 percent of lebanon's population is now poor and with no electricity. the entire country is mostly in darkness. a recent gallup poll found that a record 63 percent of people say they want to leave for good mor lebanese and now living abroad rather than in the country and a foreign currency shortage. since 2019 means people can't get their hands on their savings. out of desperation, bank robberies by ordinary citizens have increased dramatically with branches closing indefinitely to protect their stuff. just this week, a video went viral of sally half as she held up her bank in beirut with a toy gun. so she could withdraw her own savings officers. she's not a criminal and needed to get her own money to pay for assistance. cancer treatment, she says the country's dire situation has left out with note other choice. now,
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lebanon's prime minister, nat geo, mcafee address, the economic crisis at the un general assembly. this week, officer yaki is, would monitored as much of the, our government as working on a financial and economic recovery plan. we're also working on a package of comprehensive structural and sick toil reforms that meet the requirements of the lebanese people. it also provides them with a social safety net. ah, let's bring in our guess, andre route as a number one, a board member of the n g o m l international and in the north lebanon in her father. patrick martini the founder and president of the lebanese institute market studies. and in hamburg, fantasia la, who directs the middle east and north africa office of the heinrich ball foundation, a political foundation affiliated with germany's green party. welcome all to the program. i'd like to begin in they root with a zayna nazena. this was a holy avoidable crisis. this was a corruption,
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this was mismanagement. and according to every single lebanese person i've spoken to old last year, the wholesale theft of lebanese money. now no g mccarty has been speaking about this at the, in general assembly, he seemed to be putting the blame squarely on the fact that there were syrian refugees within lebanon in itself. am what and said, we warned the world that we couldn't cope with surrey. la, a serenely refugees, but actually these are palestinian refugees and they are lebanese people as well. but he did finish by saying, ah, that things were going to get much, much worse. and now for an end geo like yours, i mean, you're already overstretch. can you cope with much, much worse and camera really for highlighting the light on really distracted is we're talking about what happened in front of syria, both thinking with $77.00 times where it is only 20 passengers alive. the same happened couple of days ago, and tripoli, and which is in the north of lebanon, with a to people who passed away and couldn't go for children and women with all her children
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. and the same scenario we saw in the days or so last week, and previously this is happening every day in libya. and this is quite alarming because really treated stage and history where we have the highest number of refugees and migrant. so playing you to one crisis, but also for the, the due to economic situation. so the main foundation for this. so we're seeing this happening a lot among the syrian refugees and the previously, the part is to me and also the fact that they will be called out as the person refugees, off city. but this is also starting with it have been used, which is really highlighting how much treated with increased crisis this up, jumping into the sea migration to the sea is an increase in components. and we know that technically, this is called smuggling. where really know people to know that a life and doing what they're doing. and usually what we see in some of their scenarios is that the family device,
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it's said so half of them jump into the sea and the other one stayed on the sea shore. so one parent with half of the and the other bit and on the sea shore, because they know that our cost of dying. and we know that this is a part of human trafficking because it's a new type that we quoted did. bondage where they pay the smuggler or they pay the person who is taking them on the boat for to to go. and i'm trying to reach a country that provides citizenship that provides nationality and better sense of living. as you highlighted, definitely the political situation is, is very unfortunate. and this is was pushing people to take these decisions because they consider themselves dead on the seashore. but as you highlight is now many things are happening. prime minister mccarthy was in new york to try to find the solution and add to a half hour cabinet because it has been vacant. and now we might go into a constitutional crisis because also the mandate of all present of the public. and
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i've been on as ending by the end of this month and we will be and in addition to all the classes that i've been on is facing to, to sink into other children, of course is that with us and just so full of all we as far as i know, we get into that whole idea of a current constitutional crisis. i want to bring in patrick madina here, and thank you for highlighting all of those issues. but patrick, one of the key issues here is the fact and a lot of lebanese people are saying, well, is actually down to the people smugglers that are actually encouraging all this to happen. but people smuggling are just taking little pert unity all they, they, they just a symptom of what's going on. they know the cause of it at all. loving, indeed, lebanon is going through a very hard economic troubles. it has been qualified as one of the biggest crisis a country has had in the past 150 years. the liberties found last like more than 95 percent of its value. so those people, they still make an income in live and pound,
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but they can buy with the same in gone like 5 percent off what they used to be able to buy 3 years ago. so they cannot buy a lot with the money they have. if some of them have some money at the bank and i'm calling about the general relation, right, banks are in crisis, so you cannot be throwing money on the bank. and we have an economy session. companies are using down no job and equipment is using massively. the g d p have melted down, we lost 60 percent. i mean the g d p before the crisis was 53. a $1000000000.00 today we are at around 20, right? so i mean, you have the total meltdown. people lost their income, lost their jobs. they also also lost their life c, v, and they don't have a lot of option a situation in order to do the things. but patrick, this was wholly avoidable. this was, as i said, people have been telling me it's been well reported that this was mismanagement. this was corruption and this was simply a completely avoidable we got we,
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we have to take that into account. we absolutely. i mean that, you know, many, many, many school editions have been warming about those kind of things for months now. and they've been telling the international community give us some money so that we can help those people and, and when they say they understood that the international community is unwilling to finance the government because of the corruption that exists a government. we started seeing those kinds of things. so i mean are, let's see that some port additions also are trying, are trying to take advantage of the tragedy that we're not seeing right now when this is, this is very bad. and, and if those wanted to show you in advance, that those things can happen. why didn't they, they lift a finger before it happens. but let's bring in the view from europe. here we have with us 20 shallow who's in hamburg, bent a,
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one of the problems. and there are many issues here, but let's just focus on one of them is the fact that europe is now fortress europe and has been for very long time. legal means of migration into europe are incredibly difficult, that's only compounding, not just what we're seeing in lebanon, but other smuggling routes as well. does that need to change? of course that needs to change. i mean may be the seeing whole year. well, it was never easy to get into your but in the past 10 years, i'd say the situation has deteriorated. it is really very difficult to obtain b us and for most of those who are stuck as rapidly lebanon, or in other neighboring conscious syria, for many palestinians who have difficulties having a legal status or citizenship anywhere. it has always been really a nightmare to have a legal way into your and these weights are shrinking by the day. and it's not only that legal means are shrinking and also that there are more push backs that there are really security guided efforts by security. all that try to push
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refugees back into companies from which they came. and this is of course not compatible with any human rights standards and the values that the european community has always been communicating with anti europe can actually deal with refugees. we saw this in ukraine with ukrainian refugees, they came almost on mass and they were soaked into society. they were actually, i've been fairly successful in getting people out of you, great and into europe. so the capacity is there, but when it comes to something like this particular case in lebanon, where the economic migrants, the simply the, the europeans are saying, well, actually, you don't count as more grants. this is not a disaster. this is your coming because you're paul, and we don't want you. that is not helpful, right? when europe has been having several ways of refugees, we have seen references say over the ninety's coming from from the former soviet
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republic, former soviet republics, but also to the slave. yeah. we've had 201415 when really lots of syrian refugees came to europe and them in germany has been taken 800000 to face. so yes, it's possible. i don't think that it's a big challenge for, for us to have more refugees here. it's just populous politics that prevent it. and this is of course, really harmful because populus you might not only in europe, but also around the mediterranean populace. at autocrats. they all try to say refugees are the problem, but no, they are not the courses that force people to seek refugee status that force people out of their context. these should be addressed. and these other problem, and this is not what populous want to talk about. they will just want to keep the borders closed and avoid that refugees find the asylum they seek and that they deserve. so yes, that needs to change. and i don't see any reason apart from populous politics by europe should chatted stores and buried xena. or you just listen to or to guess of,
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of have said that, i mean, what, let's, let's put this question into to firstly, what can be reached. what can lebanese people actually do about trying to stop this? is there a political solution here, or is the international community now have to step in because lebanon is simply a failed state. yeah, you just to put on your previous question before us on this one. actually, you were asking about civil society and really never know who has been facing now or the type of crisis. one is that he has the economy one because of the battle to blast, which is the biggest, after that hiroshima goes on the constitution at a set that up, that really the civil society is making up off the government. so i was like, i'm an association has provided more than mine to be and so did that to support to the cd and crisis people to say that you'd actually the protestant unit set that up . and this has been really alarming. states can support, but definitely, and we need to have international shed the sponsibility towards these my consent
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messages. because we are seeing that the, the, as, as a highlighted, that some countries are opening their doors and others are closing differently. because i do to germany what, what is the biggest number off the city and actually seeing how much also they can play it on. and, but i think the economy, but other countries did close on and, but we also saw number standards like with a kenyan crisis or the doors would open. jobs were provided that set that outages on my grants and i could use them like this everywhere. so, whenever things are happening would really hope that that is sort of, that attack or leverage lebanon has provided that the biggest one is that it's a component by what coming one 3rd of population actually geez, and compare comparison to its population. so for median and accommodate is 1500000 seen differences in addition to the previous migrants and, and this is really a model for the 1st only data to forward. but the issue with a little bit come back on migration. that was
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a couple of years back when the main message was, it's one of the latest international does documents quoting force, looking at my guidance as an opportunity and not as a threat. and definitely this is when come and this has been addressed when a but in countries off the ceiling classes, which has been the biggest since $194.00 in terms of humanitarian. but we know that the solutions are always wanted to come. we hope that similar types of crises are source. politically we calling for more peace more started that it's you more and non violent as solutions to what's happening because the civilians are the ones being the fast and most well let's bring it patrick martini here. patrick, you're the president, the lebanese institute, the markets for market studies is their role the market can play is their own business can play here. the actually allows for this to actually become manageable . because right now, the only thing that's propping lebanon up is the amount of foreign written mittens is coming in from lebanese living abroad. right? right, absolutely. i think that the for, you know,
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looking at what others can do for us, we start by looking at ourselves. and the problem is lebanon, is that you have many qualified people who are good engineers, you know, are what our skilled label, but unable to be able to work properly. because you don't have electricity, you don't have internet. and those are the basics, right? many people who might be able to work on line make some income without the need to travel to migrate to leave the country. however, if the, if the government has a case level that the government has a monopoly over the production of electricity and they produce 0, almost 0 hours of electricity per day. and the government has and will not put you over the production of internet. and they don't, i mean, internet is in lebanon. right. and the government will the low any other entity to come in, sell electricity or sell internet services in order to provide this infrastructure
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for businesses and people to lift themselves out of poverty instead of my greeting . and i think that that's the real problem. i mean, to give you a simple example today if you want to do a solar farm 11 and provide electricity to your good it's, i mean, you are not allowed by law because you have a monopoly somewhere in be rude. that would, you know, with that would say that they are the only one i mean, allowed to produce and sell internet a story and sell it. and they won't give licenses to anybody else to produce and sell electricity directly to the population. i mean, some, some pilot projects have been made 11 or have been the issue that was like with the really low cost you can give electricity to the population government or the allow it's finding the government also to start picking on their responsibility. and you know, and, and let people out people to get out of each, instead of like that, you know, banning them from doing this and bending doing that antenna. sheila,
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in hamburg, you've listened to war. our guest has to say, well, what do you think of that? what did you think that we talked about populace policies earlier and refugees being something that is a populace policy when it comes to bashing them over the head and saying that they're bad and them criminals and whatever. however, there is a way here of putting pressure on the lebanese government now to be able to open up its market places, things that actually international governments can do that might actually be a populous policy surely. well actually i think it's really difficult to put pressure on the lebanese government. i mean, currently with a caretaker, government and all the question marks regarding the, the presidential elections that are coming. we don't even see when a new government will form and we're how are you going to exert pressure? how are you going to be do something that makes it confident that things will go better? and i think discussions with the lebanese government have been there before. i mean, lebanese government has always reached out to the international community and asked
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for more help. but then the problem is what we exactly discussed before. corruption inclined to listed networks and therefore, i think what whitney to happen would be that confidence would be established or re established by the lebanese government. and the political delight that has been leading us into this crisis. they would need to signal that they are ready to leave the county out of it and i'm missing any signals of that. they haven't seen any serious plan for reform. the same people are remaining in power. there is no accountability neither for the blas nor for other assassinations that have been taking place in the past year or before. so, in absence of all this, how is anybody going to just to that said, international aid will we serve the purpose to, to help the population or to help siblings lebanon? well, i, we will, we will get into that. let's get into that. bo, on i will bring xena anatole by the intellectual aid,
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but it sounds like you have something to say, patrick. yes, yes, i actually, i don't think that internationally is the solution. nobody is asking the money from the international community. and i know that your guess from germany every, every given or let's say sensitivity. and i do, i mean, you just need the government to allow people to have their solar funds to they, it's, i mean, you know, we don't want money from germany. we don't want money from the lebanese government . we just would like to have the municipalities have their own solar farms to give their villages and explicit, or to licensed some companies locally to sell their electricity based on solar power. for example, the problem is that now when you go to the central government to ask for that, i mean those small reform don't need money thrust. you just need to ask our government to stop centralizing everything at the central government and requiring licenses and never give licenses. just allow people, for instance,
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to have their own solar fun without any last with us. or we have the dispatcher, we have with the zina who is a member of the amal international, n g o m o, or is doing some sterling work by when asked the question to usina, what patrick has said it needs to come from the government is to be business that might be the solution, free market economy. it's not the international community. do you agree? actually we have a skin leaky. a lot of funds really can for the exposure and was a beautiful. so did that, it's you. but once the ukrainian a case took place, we have seen that a lot of money, we're trying to do that and we can tell you that. and it was here on the secure. i don't have a funds for the 2023. so the aides and the funds are really cuts and that he, gen, due to things and definitely this is putting into question, what's happening in the job, but it can at the not whether that are a no and honest would this would the word go into by put that forward and also
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looking back after the pandemic with previously, if you could read it, that isn't hard to been going straight. but later we saw the quote one more socialist issues. but now we're seeing, again that's fundamental right out of the, to go in there and where is the, the social justice when for states. and previously we're talking on globalization with that it isn't but up and not find it is on more security and safety. so these international showed the sponsibility of what i should use on migrant student needs to be equipped about different migrant refugee in a developing country. it would be better off in terms of standard of living as a country recorded so, so differently 1st towards countries are better off to, to win combination and mark list and more sustainability of their living. and this goes back to the un charter that speaks about that are for development. we're definitely we, we wish that there are more funds. i don't think it's what sort of governance where states really should su, supporting that people because we believe that not actually, you know,
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my good would like to be their state and take away the culture. if they had a we all running out of time. i do want to bring back bent. i have been teaching like you had some opinions on what you just hoped. yeah, i mean i, i totally see patrick's point and i think all that is happening in lebanon on the civil society level. it's very marble and also the ability of private to call either. and once patrick has mentioned the solution that the government should give up on its monopoly power production. it's a very, very sticky point. we've been discussing that for many years because it's not that they hold the monopoly for the monopoly. they hold it for the benefit. so they benefit from fuel imports. there are people who benefit from running generators and these are absolutely adamant against any other solution. this is part of why solar panels are not more common in lebanon. they are examples of how citizens pushed for more power in their every change they made is the best example where the community
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of the municipality was in the end willing to offer power 24 hours a day, which the government and they don't couldn't. and then the generator mafia went out on the street. so those who owned the generators and benefit from them they, they tried to shut down and actually shut down. the transformation tower is the power hops that the local municipalities stablish. so this is where international pressure meets its limits because the government does not want to give up on these things because they see they can still benefit from it. and therefore, it's not a another easy, not an easy way. what you're suggesting sounds so logical about with corrupt and really very, very hurried and, and traditionally corrupt system. it's really difficult to get these practical points through. i want to thank all our guest, amanda, patrick ardini. i'm a, i'm thank you to, for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out
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