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this is al jazeera, these you top stories, exit polls in italy, say the right wing alliance lead by george maloney is on calls from endorsing parliament. the block which includes parties of mateus, navine and silvio berlusconi could when at least 43 percent of the votes, maloney could become italy's fust female prime minister on the 1st fall right lead us since world war 2. stephanie deca has moved from this is where it does look now that those predictions of 2 weeks ago that the right wing coalition would be winning by a large majority is coming to fruition. that means let's see, the exact numbers come tomorrow, perhaps what they would probably hold a majority in both houses of parliament. it's been a day, quite emotional for italians on different sides. you speak to those who support maloney and this coalition feel that this is
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a day that's long time coming. a partial mobilization order announced by president vladimir persian continues to spoil protests across russia. this was the scene and augustine in the north caucasus where more than a 100 people blocked a highway. police reportedly trying to break up the protest by firing warning shots in the air. and another demonstration people shouted no to war and blame the russian government for starting the conflict referendums of being held for a 3rd day in 4 russian control areas. recently, crane voting is taking place in daniel lou hand sa, patricia and castle on. the pole has been organized by moscow bag separatists cave in its western allies have dismissed the referendums as a sham sympathizing. nor is made landfall in the northern philippines. its force heavy rain and wind up to a $195.00 kilometres now. and is the strongest point to hit the country. this
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is 25 people have drowned off to their boat count sized on a river in bangladesh. the boat was carrying more than a 100 people up the corridor tow a river to hindu temple in the north. dozens are still missing. okay, those. the headlights coming up next in side story. ah. as germany reels from its worst energy crisis is chancellor tours gulf countries in search of alternative the can they ensure a secure energy of germany and europe and how has gas shaping the politics of the region during the war in ukraine? this is inside stored. ah
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm has them secret. german chancellor left schultz is in the gulf hoping to secure new partnerships with oil and gas rich nations. he met leaders of saudi arabia, united arab emirates, and cut are hoping to agree on how to meet the nation's energy needs since russia's invasion of ukraine since the war you countries have had to cut back on energy and look for supplies elsewhere. germany's economy is already on the verge of a recession, a mid soaring prices, and the prospect of a tough winter ahead. for $100.00, but we've made progress and a whole series of projects now concerning the production of diesel gas. we have ellen g projects that play
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a role here and of course also many things that have to do with modernization with projects. so this is very important for future economic cooperation. but of course, also for the transformation of national economies that are moving towards climate neutrality. now of course, very relevant to the issues of energy security. in this context, it was an important business and to go out for unity to continue good relations for the you is facing a major shortage of energy before the war in ukraine. russia supplied 40 percent of the blocks natural gas and more than a quarter of its imported oil. germany is among the hardest hit countries previously importing. more than half of its gas from russia. france has access to other terminals and the u. k. have no direct pipelines to russia. combined, they consume less than 21 percent of moscow supplied energy. the. let's bring in our guest now to talk more about this. joining
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us by skype from berlin is all exploit now. he's professor political science at stanford university in berlin. also by skype, from doha, my job's away, re director of the golf studies center at carter university. and andrea, his go out is professor at the really brant school of public policy. he joins us from berlin as well. good to have you with his gentleman or a bright now. so all of shorts is coming to the gulf, looking for these new energy deals. why now? while it serves a number of purposes, it's on the one hand, a signal to the german public, that the government is frantically trying everything possible to address the problems that we are facing before a winter. that can be long can be hard, but it's definitely full of question marks, how hard we will be hit and what to do with it. so it tends to seek,
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know that he's collecting opportunity is to reduce the dependency from russia. it will certainly not lead to the one replacement of the dependency by another, but it's a step in the direction off. on the one hand, he returns home with no contracts. and on the other hand, this is the beginning of a new foreign policy of germany and the european union. and we've got that. how does this trip address? germany's energy needs particularly would that, would that rough winter approaching now? well, thanks for having me. i guess what we're looking at here essentially is a dire situation as only just said, i mean the europeans just lost essentially a 150000000000 cubic meters of gas a year. and that's a lasting last rush is not going to come back anytime soon. a lot of l n g essentially came in to replace the molecules that have been lost from russia and cut tar has been playing in a role here. and now germany hopes to get us
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a share out of the expanding production in katara, notably the northfield, which comes on line around $252627.00. and although this lies in the future, it will be important for germany and europe, just a part of that simply because the russian molecules are not going to come back. so a lot of what shoulds is trying to do at the moment is forward looking. policy is certainly not about the upcoming winter. and striking a deal for that. and my job is away. what are the gulf countries get out of this? the united arab emirates, saudi arabia and cut on obviously they're going to get more business and they're going to get so more energy. but beyond that, in terms of the, of the geo politics, what do they gain from this? you know, hasn't been very interesting debate going on now about what's happening between europe, germany or other countries and those states, the nature of the debate basically is but interesting because what those lead to,
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whether by the rub my call or now the jeremy are basically is hearing from from the capitals that to 2 kinds of debates. one says, you know, by the way, you know, your relation was about developing with us and then it is that of differences. and then the other debates say, what will come a future nations. i think this dominates the debate. why i'm, why i'm focusing on this just a quick, quick and intro, because i think this will for what shape than the kinds of relations we witness and will you will, will tell us who are the main countries of the goal, will be in involved on this energy collaboration, what we are seeing now that there's more focus on that in back to color because about n g. what we are hearing from europe and inter and americans that they are getting a very clear message that is the, the, the minimum i can describe
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a very clear message from a double w about that to collaborate the share of help. and that, that takes us to our, that live in which, what's happening instead of politics and how those countries are actually looking to their, to define their, all their role in near the future. it's, it's obvious that any investment on any defects are coming from the gulf needs the contribution of that targeted country this into the germany, the united states, friends are all of them. they need to be in bold on a lot of preparations. and i think what the 3 countries are trying to deliver to the european knows what is your share, what will be your contribution? and you have to mean to keep in mind the message from those countries. you have to keep in mind that we have an old partners like china, like japan, and we kind of basically give up on those people. so, you know, we need to respect our relations with other partners and you need to collaborate
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with us. so we can help you. yeah. all right. can, i'm, if i could send to you on some of that as far as germany's relations with these gulf nations. what, what, what's at stake for them with regard to the war in ukraine and the political implications of that mother warren, ukraine is seen as a watershed new situation into your politics. and we are waiting to see in what direction things are moving. so the situations in 2016 when the european union didn't have direct relations, what they called corporation council countries on a ministerial level to just wait, what is happening they and leave it to other international players to have an influence in the call as what has just been said that the relationship with china is considered to be much closer than with the european union. this is something
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that europe in union and germany has the biggest countries and you cannot afford to be allowed to stay in the like this in the future. so it's not just about energy, it's about security, it's about migration. it's about what's the situation in the balkans and in northern africa in which all these countries play an important role. and therefore at germany and the us reaching out to build a broader and more comprehensive approach in the relationship with the countries in the region. angie's got that, how does germany's energy situation compare with the rest of europe with this, with this winter approaching now and the need to kind of diversify their, their energy supplies? is there a sense that germany kind of got in there 1st? well look, i think it's important to acknowledge that things have been improved quite
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a bit and quite fast. in fact, i mean, it is remarkable how quickly the rushing gas has been replaced by l. n. g imports. and on top of that, there have been a lot of ways in which a fuel switch happened from gas to other fuel security including coal, but also oil when it comes to industrial production. and on top of that, you got savings, industry demand this down, for instance, and we're seeing the impact on households as well. so if you add that plus gas storage, which has been filled up to the maximum level by now, or at least according to target by now, this gives us a reassuring situation for or outlook for the winter. but i think it's also important to launch the fact that germany is part of the european energy system is not only about germany, forth with europe in ports, and germany does not necessarily import l n g. it important elegy through a belgium or the netherlands. and wouldn't it, for those elegy in port terminals,
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the germans wouldn't have any gas. and so this, it is important to acknowledge that it is not only about one country. it's about an integrated system where sorts plays a role not only for one country, but for various countries. and, and i think here the, the efforts of the european integration and particularly integration of the europe, unanimous market for last 25 years deaf and re paying off the magic wary the issue of human rights is something that, that's come up in, in this trip. we're not sure how much these discussions there were discussions about this. the took place between all of schultz and the, and the various leaders. but if you look at saudi arabia, in particular, the crown prince, me, how much will been said, man, who was, you know, persona non grata up until the beginning of this year because of the, the murder of the, the saudi journalist jamal i shogi there a sense he's, he's, he's sort of coming, coming in from the cold. now that the,
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the reality of politics are set in now for many western nations. no doubt how the politics has changed. i mean, this starts with by then, and now it's more still, most of the capitals. i think those capital, they felt the heat. and one of the issues they cannot ignore the fact that they, they have to stop lecturing. people whether you agree or not. they were lecturing people, it was a human rights. they were lecturing people about plan b 's of governance. how about they failed? and the 1st, the crisis when it comes to the energy, i mean, you look, you look at what happened and decent. and since february, and you look at the panic, you has this will create a lot of doubts about the plan b 's that you'll use to lecture the world about them and governance, and then how to manage the crisis. i think also this applies to the human rights
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issue and how much they are actually, the author decisive and they are honest when it comes to this, not only actually human rights is one item. look at the energy transition european . we used to lecture the world about energy, it's our vision and going to clean energy. however, when they feel the heat, they have to go to use the nuclear energy and then they stop and the activate the local, the eucharist site. this is, this is a moral moral question. this crisis basically is raising a moral question about what the you use to lecture the world about and how much of the us and see it and how much they are actually fulfilling the commitments when it comes to human rights and defending the human rights. and actually trying to defend those who are oppressed, or dose, or suffer. i think these are another round of, of assessments to all of this values that you and the make. and they used to
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settle the people in that egypt all the person. and what's your take on that? so, i mean, critics will say that concerns about any concerns that germany would have about human rights in the gulf region would be put to one side now because of germany's energy needs. well, it's not as simple critical as it sounds, if the fundamental human rights violations, germany and the european union will stand up and call them fundamental human rights violations. what i think is beneficial, not only in this dialogue that we have seen in the making sense, the start of the, the war in ukraine. but also what is happening before the world cup in caca in football is that there's a growing attention to what is actually happening in societies in the region. and so far,
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all you could read in western media is they violate human rights and they waste energy. and now we got to much more different say, to picture and development. it's like, what's the role of women in countries like saudi arabia needs to be evaluated more clearly and more closely. it's not about lecturing, if violations of human rights, than those whose rights have been violated, should count on the european union that they stand up and call it. this will be response to that. you shaking your head there i'm. i'm insisting electric. i'm electric because this is what was happening in the world was lecturing, but that about the human rights says the world cup was given to be organized here. but they are ignoring the fact that they supported germany to have the world cup when hitler was empowered and ignored. the fact that the city of business in paris
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were built by immigrants and people who are still suffered because of illness and not 50000 people will die on 102050 big not all of this. they are selective data lecturing. and they want the when they want, when they want energy, they will put human rights aside. and i know personally that they have the tools to do so. they have the rule to change to how we're playing the game. sometimes the government's comments speak. ministers can come, the president can come out regardless who's the still important and then they give it to the media and they say we are on free media for me to handle everything. if the, if the media can hold them accountable, there we go to the civil society. they play different cards, but they are not honest. and they are lecturing the world about something they know that they should be a fair and look at the suffering of other people and, and just go down. and if i could bring it the issue of energy and germany's energy
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needs back to this. i, jamie does plan to be carbon neutral by 2045 day. i made that very clear. how does this, these deals now? it with the gulf countries affect their plans there? look, let me also check on the 1st of all, i have to ask the status. and i'm trying to sure whether or not how purposely really is one as described. and i would, i would also challenge the notion of, of different times and regimes being similar to the, to the present situation and actually comparable, but coming back to the, the german question and, and where they go with their energy tradition. and i think that highs or a little bit into, into what my previous professor said about whether the germans and the europeans are high, critical, and when it comes to their energy transition, i don't think there actually is energy and the change of talk. what we're seeing at
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the moment is, is very government and grew up trying to plug holes because of the social situation and ukraine war. but at the same time, there is massive investments going on that that accelerate the energy transition re power you plan, put forward 290000000000 just for renewables. the germans are investing to an, a 1000000000 in industrial disorganization. there are plans to essentially turn the north sea into green power plants, and we're talking about 100 gigawatts of, of capacity just by comparison. that's 75 nuclear power plants of capacity. so what we're looking at here is essentially an energy transition on steroids. if you will, and driven by fruits in an aggressive war, not necessarily by climate policy, that's the irony of it. so what i'm thinking and if we connect the dots here, and if we do the numbers, we might actually get well ahead of our 202035 targets when it comes to renewables and the compensation. and i'm absolutely convinced that that the goal of nets
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0 by 45 will be kept no matter what. over the brightness, it's fair to say, you know, 67 months ago, left shots wouldn't, would not have been even considering a trip like this that, that the kind of did, durgin needs of, of supplying, supplying germany energy needs is, is, is what drove him to do this i'm not so sure about it because what he said at the beginning of the term of the new coalition is that germany will be a different country at the end of the term. and, but the answers pointed out is that the boring ukraine is a boost for the transition to turn the german economy into for free economy. and you need partners for this. and it's not just a replacement of energy source and it also comes with technology. so if germany as
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an export based economy can export solutions that matter in other parts of the world that come as an incentive to compare the different interests, then it makes perfect sense to reach out for countries that for example, a very rich with sunshine and not a very far away, and you can think of giant pipeline projects to produce blue energy resources that would make sense in different the compost energy mix in your job. if we talk about the war in ukraine right now, where, where the middle east and countries ticketed golf country stand on that they're having to kind of strike a balance here. and they, because of their ties with, with china and russia. i think it's obvious that goes to states a try trying to be balance under position because at the end of the day,
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this what is happening in europe, however, that i'm, if occasion is getting to the capitals because they are no controlling $65.00 of energy was oil and gas and so basically they try to be balance because they have ties with the west. you're putting, you have ties with china and they don't want to upset russia. it's obvious. and i think this kind of balance it's, it's really tough a process because, you know, you know, that you and the west and then i can state or the chairman to basically put russia under the pressure. and the, i think the narrative from the gulf is very clear. we are trying to help to how to secure energy to sources as part of our, a global responsibility that has, that is, will put statement that you know, gulf a state is, is helping on securing energy to sources, contributing to energy, to sources,
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to those societies who are suffering as a cause, it was and this, you know, i think there is a consistency on some stuff on this, especially when it comes to countries. i thought they said, you know, we are helping those countries auto need and either and those countries the, are want to buy our guys, we are ready to sell it, however they need to contribute to building infrastructure and et cetera. so i think it's very, it's very clear that attempt to have to have a clear balance in a very tough time. and that, and the problem is the nature of the crisis is still is not clear where it moves and whether it would be escalated or there would be more actually of this. and it will be, it would have more impact on the security in the global the whole. yet let's get the addresses take on this. well, what implications does this have been for global energy security is the hold on well, the crisis, the sauce at the moment does
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a couple of things for the global energy system. first of all, it puts a strain on already very tight l n g markets and those cell g markets in terms of supply the move sideways for the next one or 2 years. and maybe 3 years until situations change again in the us and cut our me additional supplies. but there was also a big shift in oil because the europeans, r and barr going russian oil. there is a g 7 embargo and rational, including a price cap and not all of that will be re delivered and, and redirected to other wealth regions, which means you will take some off the market and that will probably have an impact on, on the market as well, we also have a similar situation with coal, coal guts, sanctioned by august this year, but the new russian coal that is and that also many markets got more tighter than
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they were. not one thing that is important to see is that what we're talking about, the gulf and europe at the moment. this in fact has an implication and an impact mainly on non o. s a d countries in the global south that is southeast asia, africa, and elsewhere because that's where people feel pipe prices the most. those are economies that are in part elegy in port dependence like pakistan, which is hardly hit by the dash and, and other parts which are now priced out of the markets. or they have very high intensities in of their economy. which means the moment prices go north, those economists are had heart, so the repercussions are mostly felt in places that a poor, not rich. all right, so we are going to have to leave it there, as, thanks very much to all 3 of you. oh, rich bruckner, in berlin, magic wary in doha, and our andrea so got our joining us from berlin as well. thanks so much for being
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