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for this fragile democracy? bosnia elections on a j 0. what triggered the latest tension between greece and turkey. anchorage, says deploying military to in the gnc, ireland reaches an agreement. athens argues it's protecting its people that can this tension be contained or could it spiral out of control? this is inside store. ah hello, welcome to the program and has them seek at greece and turkey have been in conflict over maritime borders and energy exploration rides for decades. in the latest escalation, ankara has accused athens of deploying us armored vehicles on 2 aegean islands close to turkeys coast. jackie security source is released these aerial image is
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purportedly showing ships loaded with the vehicles docking on the islands of les boss and samus. turkey summoned the greek ambassador and father protest with the u . s. over the action. greece has called the move, quote, completely unfounded, and accused turkey of aggressive behavior to nations, our nato allies, but historic foes, and continued to accuse each other undermining, regional peace and stability. this is the other, so i said it while we a may kingston. see if it's to in, was crises and tensions in the world. we follow the political actions of our navy, grief which stink of provocation is. i have always said what grace is not our interlocutor, nor can it be politically, militarily or economically. not as we are well aware that the real intentions of those who provoked and unleashed greek politicians against us are to hinder our program of building up a great and powerful turkey. last, yes it, we have
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a difference regarding the limitation of better time zones. there are ways to resolve these differences. you could even resort to an international court if you agree on the conditions to, to reach such a settlement. but you don't resolve your differences through aggressive clustering and through, you know, recalling sort of imperial fantasies and sort of using up a rhetoric that is inflammatory. and let's take a closer look at these islands last year. turkey disputed greece is sovereignty over the east g and islands. it says they were meant to stay strictly demilitarized greece took control of them from the ottoman empire during the balkan was from 1912 to 191310 years later, athens was officially awarded sovereignty in the treaty of laws in another treaty drawn up earlier though, in london, in 1914 has made greek possession of the islands,
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conditional on them being demilitarized. the turkey says, since the laws then treaty makes reference to the 1914 treaty. it implies the same conditions remain valid, but greece rejects that interpretation. ah, let's bring in our guess now in assemble, we have mimic chillik. editorial coordinator, a daily daily english language newspaper in turkey, in athens, georgia sculpus senior research fellow at the hellenic foundation for european and foreign policy and johnny from brussels. pizza clip editor of brussels report. you good to have you with us. so ga, the gop let's let me start with you. then in turkey is arguing that these military build ups on the island are in violation of their agreed non military status under international treaties. did have a point now. well,
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in the last week's grease is on their cost, on threats by $30.00 with the users of military force waves. the argument that the islands should not be military ice, but greece believes that due to the current situation, a threat is under thread by turkey. and therefore, it, these, it's rides to militarize island in line with the relevant un charter. this is the situation and the real problem starts on the threats coming from the other side. and also from the history that demonstrates the 13th prepared to use military force in order to obtain political against us, the invasion of cyprus, highlands are, let's put that point into memory, shall, again, is temple what's, what's your perspective on this? the grease is saying that it needs to defend these islands, many of which lie close to turkey coast against
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a potential attack from turkey. actually, if you look at the recent provocation by greece against to care, we can see that, you know, if you know, with the radar blocking, using the 3 hundreds with firing greek coast guard, firing against the commercial vessel with, with the military housing the, the non military status islands, we can see that this provocation are unfortunately actually coming and arising and emerging from the, from the other side of the a g, n and athens. now turkey has been on the side that has been pushing forward for dialogue for, you know, be it to diplomatic negotiations or in the g n and took between turkey and greece, or when it comes to the cyprus issue. turkey has been pushing forward for equitable share of resources in the eastern mediterranean turkey has been arguing for
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a dialogue and diplomacy. but you know, we can see one on the one side leaders. greek leaders like me to talk is, for example, says turkey would. they want a neighborly relations, but on the other side, we see on the same days that greek as military arising or sending and deployment to the non military status islands. so there is a hypocritical situation. of course, there has been, you know, historical patients between these 2 countries. if we can, if we are going to keep talking about the history, there is not and you know, turkey and greece, they can not get anywhere. however, turkey has been pushing forward for dialogue for negotiations, for putting our differences and agreeing on some of the disagreements and moving forward, you know, in finding some sort of common ground to solve and overcome some of this. some of these issues. however, one greek side can change between, you know, you can, it's position changes a day and night and it's very unpredictable. and at times,
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hypocritical, so it becomes a problem for turkey. and it's real leadership to deal with greek officials. so they see that these be in provocations and not a willingness to actually find the solution for the existing. be historical tensions or beat current and disagreements and tensions between the 2 side. peter clip. why are these islands in particular, such a flash point for both greece and turkey? all these items are very close to the coasts of turkey. and yeah, because of this reason circle concerns, 30 claims that the was on treaty does not allow greece to, to have these military vehicles as american military vehicles to be, to be posted there. as we could here,
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greece is claiming that it is under trends from turkey and therefore it is justified. do so. what is remarkable is that just recently the president of 13, mr. aragon did no not just complain about militarization of the islands, both of quote unquote occupation of, of the islands. and this has really raised great concerns in greece and, and of course, also outside of greece because these were, you know, to natal partners. and this is not exactly the best moment to have the entrance between greece and turkey. i think as everybody realizes at ga, ga, plus, the turkish government has said that this is, this decision is partly political by greece to, to, to, to get these more. these are military vehicles in, into the islands. there's a great collection coming up next,
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next summer. how much of this is for politic for domestic consumption? whether this is not a political decision, is a security decision. there are di, chronic problems in greek 3rd relations. but in the last year, there it is. public credit daughter has been very, very aggressive with the greece, an issue which not only recognized by my status or the greek government, or grateful additions, but by washington, endorsed by the european union has been very critical of 30 moves, jester statements and public rhetoric. dollar griefs against cyprus in jason with any and in general, what your, what is right now, just to ration is that the relationship between 30 in the united states has and 3rd and started waters is crystal clear in washington that derek is not necessarily considered reliable partner and we've been this context,
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gleese is emerging as a very reliable partner of the united states. so these new situation is creating new dynamics and jason, mediterranean, and dorsal within lego at dollars. so in the aftermath of the russian invasion of ukraine, the united states is closely working with reliable partners. so these is, you will link the aggressive rhetoric from the other side and will remain whole in the european union just within nato. that issue to asian could be placed under control because like the $630.00 continues likely, obviously the cohesion of nate are selfish and plank will be g o. r dies news that will be welcomed, ignacio yeah. amendment check. how. how is this affecting relations with, with the united states then, considering that they are, both of these countries are nato allies, as well?
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while of course, it, you know, if we look at, you know, the current stage of turkey you, us relation. we can, we can say that it is not on a very solid ground at the moment. however, they are, they both sides continue to mention each other and they turn each other as allies, sometimes strategic allies, sometimes partners. now there is always that historical alliance between turkey and united states for, for several good reasons. however, if we look at the previous speaker mention about moscow and that you and all the ukraine relations or ukraine development, if you look at turkey's value for the west, i think green deal is a very good example for that. if we look at the mediation between ukraine and russia and its value for the, for the ukrainians, and also for the west. i think prisoner exchanges a very good deal. very good example of that. another one would be the reference by
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turkey, that has been, you know, at work to, to bring the 2 liter together at a negotiation table. otherwise, you know, the war is not on. fortunately, is not getting anywhere where we would wanted to end or find a solution for it when it comes to, you know, the u. s. took back to back to us turkey relations. and us, you know, very recently said that they wanted to, to partners to diplomatically to, to nato members, to diplomatic. the overcome these tensions, however, that turkish side has always been pushing forward. this diplomacy, this negotiation table, this finding a common ground for dialogue. however, at one day we see agree saying ok the next day unfortunately, gree goes and complains to you or goes in and in the united states and talk against turkey. for example, mitchell talk is the mr. mitchell talk is the same thing when it comes to the f. 16,
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the prime minister. however, we should recognize the reality. we should recognize the reality that these 2 neighbors actually, once they overcome any issues, i think without digging for interference of the 3rd party, like try and selling weaponry or, or defense mechanism to, to grease or the united states. bringing its military deployment to the, to the grease. i think the solution would be easier. however, you know, the unreliability of the greek side, the other 3rd parties using grease, you know, in a way to actually contain turkey in the region. one pushes for, pushes turkey away from the west, it alleviates turkey from the was it otherwise it took you from west, and this is not in interest of the west. i think that's the turkey valleys in the region should be realized. and the grain deal is a great example of that. how it's, you know, kinda stop the grow global food crisis, fraser,
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i think realizing we should value these moves by turkey to find diplomatic solutions. peter clip is this dispute more about access to, to the waters around the islands and the potential natural natural resources there rather than the islands themselves? well, i mean there's that, there's the, you know, the military importance of these islands, you know, if ever there would be a conflict of course this, you know, this helps greece to half islands, so close to turkeys, mainland, i mean to, to, to comment on, on what the what the turkish speakers says it's true that you know, turkey and aragon deserves some credit for you know, they're, you know, mediation in the conflict to secure the, the green deal. and to, and aragon has been saying that it's very important to respect the territorial integrity of ukraine,
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specifically referring to crimea. but then on the other hand is weird that he sort of dislike. he describes the the greek status of these islands as situation of occupation. you know, that's not sensible. i think it's, it's boring oil to the, to the flames. and perhaps some of it can be explained by the fact that our target himself has an election next year. you know, he is not, not sure who's going to win. the opposition is coming. coming on very strong. the opposition is much more secular. but you know, when it comes to foreign policy or de gone and the opposition often agree. so, you know, if he can come across a strong on foreign policy, you know, this is in his interest to, to, to sort of convince salma non convinced voters ga ga plus. what do you think is it is at stake for, for athens,
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particularly with the potential for natural resources around around those islands was a possibility for dialogue is currently very, very limited. and obviously it's not the unreliability of greece. waves is leading to this outcome. our prime minister has repeatedly said that grace is prepared for a dialogue, but when one countries under constant thread by the other with the use of military force, you can very well understand that the conditions for dialogue are no idea. and are the same time agrees recognize this only the deli mutation of maritime zones. the only legal difference between the 2 sides, while 30 subject is much broader. so under the current circumstances, i find impossible for the 2 sides to talk about the issue of the limitation and also reach us solution by contrast and taken into account the general disable
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of 30 into account. it should be mentioned that there are other countries. weeds are proceeding towards delhi mutation agreements in line with the international law and the law the see the convention that has not signed our recent exam, but the deal between italian, italian greece, greece and egypt and other agreements that are highlight things that are settled partners in the eastern mediterranean that want to proceed together. and also there is the east med gosh for my regional organization wages, including several counters and partners in the region gracie's right side, bruce jordan, italy, france therapy is not part of it. and the reason that there is not part of the east med got form is obviously that the behavioral therapy is not accepted by the majority. i believe that this is a clear indication that most congress in jason amended diane let aside the united europe and unit the united states are not very happy with the doctors. they're
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welcome to join if it respects international law. if it respects the role of the majority, memory is, i mean turkey has said that he has no, the turkish government has said that it has no intention of invading these islands . and, and, you know, we take that at face value, but is that, is that more? is it more about the fact that because of the natural resources that, that can be around these islands for finding a natural gas and so on. turkey doesn't want to be left out of, of that part of the equation. and very rightly so, because it turkey is, you know, turkey has obviously close to these, these waters and including the turkish cypress, which turkey supports in that, in that sense. turkey is widely asking for its interest, and it can not be this the limit, maritime, the limit did limitation cannot be,
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you know, for, for, for very good international law. reason, it cannot be the way greek side is translating them so that you know that there. but on the other hand, we were talking about the, the turkish elections and how this will serve on the, on hand, or whether it's actually on its favor. turkish grease greek relations have been tens for a long time. however, if we look at the reason publications, they have been mostly actually almost all of them. they have been coming from the greek side, and this doesn't help establish dialogue. the i mentioned that earlier, i listed several provocations by the greek side and, and this also, of course, regardless of the who is the governing turkey, there is a sense of riley around the leader when it comes to turkey, greek relations. alright. regardless of the opposition or, or who would governing when it, when it comes to the state policy,
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turkish government seeks to maximize their interest. and this is very natural for either side of the equation. let's, let's put that to george standard. turkey sees grease as the as the, the provocative in all of this. what do you say to that? while the seas, their authority calls of the 30 said government, it is well known, but at the same time it is very well rejected in the european union in the united states. also, during talks of the east med gas forum, it is clear that grace is defending itself and the obviously, the cost of threats from the other side are not that helping the situation. so i believe that especially in the aftermath of the invasion of ukraine, there is a sensitivity in the last about or the vision is tendencies, some be shams and philosophies. and greece is working towards this direction. waste each bar nurse, including the european union and the united states and outside of the european
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union is concerned. these are their owners of the family of europe in union. 30 is not a member of the european union. and for the time being, it seems impossible for each length, or if it thinks it behave, or then there could be chances. and obviously i said of the meeting, the important european political community can may think that will take place in prague after 10 days, perhaps that we are unable to unity for our leaders. but i'm in service attack isn't present on to meet. this will be good news, but if the public rhetoric continues from the other side, obviously i cannot be optimistic about any breakthrough in even a meeting between the 2 leaders. alright, let's, let's give what's probably going to be last were 2 minutes. i mean, how do you see the slang out? ok, i know you want to respond to what georgia said there, but i want to ask you as well as you know, you see the potential for this to, to calm down eventually or, or could really get out of hand. i think you can come down turkey respects, territorial integrity of all members of the international community. and they have
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numerous times they mention that and particularly with regard to greece, they have made that clear and firm that turkey respect their territorial integrity . however, you know this harsh rhetoric that the previous speaker is talking about comes as a result of the publication. it doesn't actually emerge out of nowhere. it comes after the harassment of turkish just on natal duty. it comes after the firing of turkish, the commercial vessel. it comes after, you know, pushing away all these refugees in the g and to death. it comes after a several provocations the rhetoric of course escalate and, and it is, it serves president are on hand and this is a natural outcome. however, if we're talking about a threat, you know, it's a, it's a construe, construct, a threat, whereas the provocation are actual actually tangible and they take place georgia. how do you see this playing out? and this is, as we said, the latest and
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a long list of disputes between greece and turkey. willis, does this have the potential to, to, to get worse? yes, it has upon the edge of getting worse and that he story is playing on the board on road in that regard. so if we are looking at the volition of 30 relations and the relationship between at 30 and cyber from historical lands were much historical the present, then we cannot be optimistic. and what is even more a 1st rating. and this avoid, that is the fact that there is no contract of the highest level right now. and we can obviously understand that from the moment leaders don't talk to each other. then there is a possibility for an incident in the gym or in the eastern mediterranean, but for sure, if this happens with the responsibility of the other side, greece will defend itself. this is clear, this is greece is policy and this is greater policy. it's supported by both browsers and washington. all right,
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we've got to leave it there. thanks very much. to you gentlemen. george cigar, pull us in athens and mimic chillik in is sample. and i'll thanks as well to pizza clip in brussels who was with us earlier. and thank you as well for watching rumba . you can see this program again a time to go to a web site i just here to dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside stores. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle. there is a inside story for me hasn't speak, and the whole team here question now. i aah with guns in their hands and faith and god that there's so many american republicans believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen from donald trump. white christian nationalism in
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