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up front on al jazeera. with i am, i had to have a dean. welcome to the stream. today we look into 2 places, still reeling from catastrophic disasters linked to climate change. recovery efforts in pakistan are continuing after the worst flooding and decades displaced more than 33000000 people and submerged one 3rd of the country. and in puerto rico, hundreds of thousands of people remained without power 10 days after hurricane fiona made landfall. we started in pakistan though, where challenges continue to mount and civilians are paying the heaviest price. here is abdulla fall from unicef with more the resilience of the people, the generosity of the people of flex time to respond to their own citizens and the role of the government to really scalar is impressive. the gravity of the situation
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is before the floods was order, is such that the worst indicators of militia and access to health and access to education was already in the worst of the country. the diseases that now were facing our diarrhea, millerio caller and skin diseases that are actually quite invasive. about 2 and a half 1000000 people have no access to drinking water. 400000 children. not facing severe nutrition. we anticipate about 6000000 children out of school as a result of the floods. all of this now requires attention. nearly 1600 people have died so far and concerns about water born diseases as you just heard food security in the country's ongoing financial crisis is rising with us to discuss this new home. and connie, founder of mama baby fund, which provides rapid emergency response to women and their families. she joins us from karachi, pakistan, and,
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but then the climate justice project director at the institute for policy studies in washington d. c. and of course, remember you could always join us on youtube with your thoughts and questions. now, i want to start with the recovery efforts in the scale of this crisis, this disaster. what can you tell us is most needed at the given moment. so there's not a things right now it's, i wouldn't even say that we're actually cover yet. i think we're still waiting for the water to recede before people get actually start even thinking about going home right now. as mentioned, the health issues are really at the i maybe not even at the peak they getting to that big. so there's a lot of need for health interventions is a lot of need for medication. there's a lot of need for food interventions as well. people have lost a lot of, as is mentioned, people have lost a lot of their crops and whatever,
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limited resources they have a that gone down significantly more. so there's a need for shelters as the need for food. there's a need for health interventions, and there's just a need for kind of a vision on how we're going to move forward with recovery when they actually be able to do it. of course, and, you know, you outlines so many needs and i know that they're competing needs, and i'm wondering, you know, when we, we know that roads bridges have, you know, completely been washed away as well as railway lines that entire villages were submerged so much, farmland, destroyed, you think about the agriculture sector, you know, economically it's what 23 percent of the g d. p of pocket's done with that in mind? i mean, where do we focus? are there, is there going to be a lasting recovery? that's actually feasible? is the government able to handle this in your mind? right now, i would say that we don't even know how it's going to be done. and i think, i mean,
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we've lost more than 2000000 acres of crop. the entire cotton crop not take more than 75 percent of our garden club has been completely destroyed. the next thing that will happen is beat, which will be around into 3 months. and by the same reason comes around, i don't think that the land will be ready for it. so i'm not really sure what we can even expect in terms of recovery. but i know that for recovery to happen, there will be a need for a lot of inputs, not just from the government, but extern. if it says it was, you know, we've heard that the government's doing its best. we saw the government praised there by the u. n, i'm wondering though when you look at the sort of macro big picture, you know, it's been months since the, the record flooding began at least 81 of the countries,
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160 districts have been categorized as calamity hit. when we think of rebuilding, what's on the forefront of your mind, is it, is it feasible and is it, is it possible to really hone in efforts in one sector or the whole situation just to, to unmanageable i would not call any situation . however, gras ticket is unmanageable if number one, there is the collective social and political way to do it. and number 2, there are the resources to do and in the case so back is done. and in the case of actually many countries across the globe. so that's the 2nd question. the resources question is intimately di, to our present global political and economic order. and
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when i say at present, i mean honestly for the last several years because in many fundamental ways the political economy of colonialism and the legacies of colonial right. change, right? i mean, why is it that pockets done is a global south country to begin? why do we even have a category called the it's because of the history of imperial. right? because of the have to resources by the british empire and lots of other empires, french cetera. right. and you know, i appreciate you bringing up that point because it's very relevant to the conversation. we're going to be having about puerto rico and just a little bit, very similar in that sense. but, you know, when speaking of the government, the government says it could take 10 years to repair and rebuild the infrastructure . they also outlined that the losses are already over $10000000000.00 with of course, an economy that's already been struggling for so many reasons. the pandemic inflation,
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i actually want to have a listen to what the liter himself had to say about all of this. take a listen prime minister series, early estimates suggest that more than 13000 kilometers of metal roads have been damaged. over 370 bridges have been swept away. a 1000000 homes have been destroyed and another 1000000 damaged. more than a 1000000 farm animals have been killed. 4000000 acres of crops haven't washed away, tripping the people of the bread, basket and damage of in on immeasurable skate. yeah. what do you make of those comments? both numbers. i mean, we know that both pockets on and the united nations have blamed climate change for
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the extreme weather and resulting devastation. so in your mind who's responsible and how can pocket fund rebuilt? so i would say that yes, this afternoon. decline again. this is not something normal, these are these super flags that not something that we would ever have even expected to see. and i live sense. so it's definitely climate change that made this happen. but i would say that it's not just focused on, i mean we are all no contribution to the car, but divisions is less than one percent, but they are one of the 10 most effective san peace in the world. and i think we should really start having more conversations about the global noise, about how the global noise can be in can work with us to for climate, recreation and kind of, you know, we should see who's paying the price in bed. it comes from and what can be done for us. and you know, these questions, of course,
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on the minds of so many people. and i want to actually take a quick moment to share with you what someone had to say on this. the issue of pocket funds roll versus richer nations and their role in tackling the issues and the road to recovery. so take a listen to what rachel cletus had to say. a recent scientific study shows the climate change increase. the likelihood of this man may disaster. in some of the worst effective provinces, the 5 gave maximum rainfall intensity was increased by as much as 75 percent because of climate change. in a warming climate, the warmer air can hold more water and the water comes down in the form of these extreme rainfall events in focused on an additional risk factor is melting glaciers also caused by warming temperatures. the sad fact is focused on sponsible for less than one percent of the emissions of fuel in climate change and yet is bearing the cruel brunt of its effects. it's time for richard nations to pay help for the
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climate. lawson damage the low income climate, vulnerable countries like focused on or experiencing. but what are your thoughts on what rachel just outlined there and what we heard from the ha she is absolutely right. and what's more, the degree of responsibility of the global nod goes even beyond what we heard in the cliff from rachel. it's not just that the global, not countries, and made a lot more in board, aggregate and for capital, but also their cumulative emission, since the start of the industrial revolution are way more than from countries in the global. so. and the reason cumulative emissions matter is because carbon dioxide, when it goes out into the atmosphere, is a very stable gas. it can last for hundreds of years. so literally, right now,
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molecules of c o 2 are sitting out there in our atmosphere, cooking our plan at that and make maybe a 100 years ago, right? mainly from the global north, which was, you know, the industrialized part of the world at that point of time. and what's worse, if you look at the history of the industrial revolution, how did it even happen? how did not even have the gap for the industrial revolution is, again, because of colonialism because of the appropriation our capital on their colonies. well, i appreciate you again, bringing up colonialism and, and, and that sort of exploited of history. it's not often enough. i think that we have those conversations when there is not an emergency, but to day, certainly an important conversation. i want to thank you. ne ha, for being with us. now, speaking of colonialism, imperialism on to prayer,
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to rico on to puerto rico where it's been 10 days since hurricane fiona made landfall, wiping out power and water across the entire island. this disaster came on the anniversary of hurricane maria, which killed 3000 people. and it took 11 long months for the u. s. to restore power to the island. puerto ricans are scrambling to figure out how or whether to rebuild as the compounding nature of these climate. disaster is really makes recovery that much more difficult. here is alex guzman, outlining what puerto ricans need most right now would to, he goes the victim of an abusive relationship with the red seeds from the u. s. and post privatization of the state and electric company, which is resulted in blackouts and right hikes over the past year and has completely broken little lectric system in this crisis down to the jones act, which puerto ricans feel the effects of every day,
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but is particularly dangerous in time, school merchants, puerto ricans need more autonomy to respond to the needs of violence, especially in times of crisis. joining us from boca on puerto rico, damari bergosa, as a member of the solidarity brigade of the west, working to provide local relief. we also have joining us in the conversation, but i sent who's been with us since the top of the show. i wanted to start by coming directly to you tomorrow. it's, you know, i was there for hurricane maria. i enjoyed something that i couldn't have imagined . and to see the same thing happening again to see all the sort of systemic issues that are preventing the recovery. what, what do you want to share with us? what's the most pressing thing on your mind right now? well 1st i want to say thank you to sarah for the space and for for the noun
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thing abusive relationship guzman pointed out in earlier. and i agreed to get the day there's a lot of frustration here, and there's a lot of hopelessness here. there's a lot of rage here and i think a lot of people are still stun. precisely because we suffered this so close to the anniversary. the 5th anniversary of hurricane may have to correct to please if, if that's okay. there was and business, no fault of yours because there's, that's part of our problem is that there's that lack of statistical and accurate information. various universities came together to estimate our,
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our photo. that sounds and it, it to be over $4645.00. and i have to hold through to that number because it's very symbolic. it's an open one for literary and here i appreciate you making that correction. i remember covering this on the ground, i remember a lot of confusion over numbers, not just of the dad, but, but many, many different parts of the story seem to have been suppressed back then, which is why we're talking about it today. i want to ask you, in terms of the status of sort of recovery efforts right now beyond the hopelessness about 33 percent of homes and businesses. if i understand correctly, i will still without power. and what we've seen, that kind of is, is troubling to me, is a lot of conversations about profiteering, the privatization of sort of the energy grid. i mean, the story for as much as it's about lots of life, it's really about the power crisis. right. why is the power crisis,
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seemingly insurmountable and, and what can be done? well, i think that in order for people to understand the complexity of the situation that we are struggling with here and you have to understand the larger picture. and i still appreciate this talk about the global north, and there's sponsibility of the globe because part of the reason, a large part of the reason why we were honorable before hurricane maria. and definitely the reason why we're so vulnerable to a category one. very, very fiona was precisely related to the asperity measures that we have been imposed on by the united states government just a year before the passing of hurricane maria. and one would think that that might not have to do with the vulnerability the same vulnerability that we have,
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but it has everything to do with it. when the fiscal board came, it was an o is by the congress of the united states as a way to solve it, us out of our debt. we were limited their pluses and they were questioned, that we had surplus in materials of our electrical company. why do you need extra materials? well, because we're an island and in times of crisis, it's hard, it's death. it's very difficult to get materials here. and as your, your visitor was mentioning the jones that made it almost impossible for shipment. regularly. another one of the there it measures that made us particularly vulnerable was the closing of $900.00 schools. and you would think, well,
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that's understandable because your, your birth rates have gone down and there's so little people on the island at this point. but the reality is that schools in the vehicle turn in to shelters when we are in hurricane season, which of course is part of our life on right in the caribbean. it's, it's a normal occurrence. so not having 900 schools to put people in right in order to keep them safe also makes them more. and finally, the closing of and the privatization of our health system also has made us extremely vulnerable. right? so many compounds. i see you and then i'll let you jump in in just a moment. i want to bring in to the conversation of voice from our youtube chat. here we have real science as saying, i think big corporations have to pay up and cut their emissions. people are too greedy for their money and don't care that they're bringing everybody down with
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them. and just so, you know, and you tube, a lot of general reactions to sort of seeing the images of the destruction. traumatic not just for those maybe on the ground, but those who understand why this continues to happen. so i do want to ask you with that in mind, we heard, you know, the mention of the brain drain that you know, worse and you know, after hurricane maria and irma, i think the island saw a 12 percent drop in its population between just 2010 in 2020. where do you put the blame but not just the blame with the jones act, with all these privatization and profit tearing realities on the ground, time and time again, every time and disaster strikes, what will it take to actually protect prior to rico and the people living there the us citizens. is this the question for me? no, sorry i'm, i'm asking, yeah. forgive me. i'm asking you about that. yes. so 1st of all,
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this for addressing precisely that i want to go back to something you brought up about the reactions in you know, the reactions on the youtube channel. the fact that people were very deep lead disturbed by the images from both pakistan. and we're not my response to that is yes, those are very hard images to look at. stay with them, because that's the find of human empathy. we collective the human beings need to cultivate in time of global climate. get ask if, if we don't have that empathy or with human beings, going through horrific things in different parts of the world. right? and we don't begin to value our common humanity. then we can never respond to the climate crisis with the kind of just response that we need. and in
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terms of what we're the recall needs right now, i will defer to damari to provide the details. the one kind of overarching of division i would make which connects to equal in a straight line to back is done. is this in position of austerity from the outside rates by the control board in port or equal or by the international monetary fund. in pakistan who get to g d p ratio is of the order of 69 percent. and this external debt and the way in which international institutions prioritize being baghdad. the human being is something we need to get rid of. right. and you know, in the spirit of time, i do want to ask you and defer to our other graphs, who's on the ground who's,
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who's lived this experience time and time. again, i want to ask you, you know, for our audience who doesn't really understand the jones act, it's, you know, a ship carrying fuel to prior to rico can't dock, essentially due to some 920 us law that mandate that the ship be built, be owned and be staffed or run by us citizens. that ship has $300000.00 barrels of diesel still holding off the southern coast of predator eco, we see that each time we see sort of, you know, the compounding, if you will, the compounding situation. what do you have faith that, that will change? do you have faith that the dynamic, the relationship between the u. s. in puerto rico, will evolve to a point where prior to, ricans, you know, can, can kind of, you know, withstand the storms. well, i have to say and i'm sorry to point that out again, but our problem isn't with the hurricane. it's not about the storm. the storm is,
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is a natural occur in the, even though the climate crisis is a real. 6 a real issue and is making it extremely difficult to prepare and now for them, our problem is not a natural disaster. it's a man made disaster at the political disaster. colonial does that. and forgive me for interrupting you. but i do want to ask you because in the spirit of time, just again before you wrap up, i mean a lot of the people, if i'm not mistaken, who remained since hurricane maria had been pushed out of their homes. as we've heard by land developers, there's a huge crypto currency investor seen there. they've bought out apartment buildings rent is storing. you add to that, that the pandemic has what i think 40 percent of the population under the poverty line. where do you want to start $3060.00 per 60 percent. what you're sort of last call out to the world. what. what do you want the world to know? i think that when you hit rock bottom there's only up and that's where we are. i
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think that our patients is running out and i see it in old people. i see it in young people and i think that we're running out of time to do this in an orderly way. i have, i have hope because there's nothing else that we can really count on. yeah, we will transition towards independence. yeah. and that we will gain reparations. the global and north. well, just so you know, this is not a conversation that and here at the stream. thank you to both of you for being with us. and for those of you watching as hurricane season continues will be following the impacts of climate change around the world. thanks for joining us. ah, [000:00:00;00]
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