world still to come a, she won't get out of jail until she is over a 100 years old. now, i think the, the issue here is, what is the military trying to do here? we've seen them piling up these charges against a clearly they want her out of the picture politically. they know very well that if they hold elections as they have done in the past, she will, will win overwhelmingly again. and they want to take her away from that. if elections go ahead next year, as they promised they will. and there is a for the military, a satisfactory result. they may allow her, some degree of freedom, perhaps house arrest of some sort. but clearly she will never be allowed to return to the political stage while the military and charged. and at this stage, these sentence are sentences are effectively a death sentence. pakistan is preparing to resume train services on a month out. a devastating floods inundated the southern sinned province. hundreds of laborers have been working to repair damaged tracks. the suspension of service

is left thousands of railway workers without an income trains. it should start running again on wednesday on or one of the top stories on how to 0. ukraine is called an emergency meeting of top security, political and defense officials of the russians announcement. it will annex for ukrainian regions. russian president vladimir putin will sign documents proclaiming the annexation of her phone. suffer is your dentist and you hands on friday. the regents make up about 15 percent of ukraine's territory. ukrainian president go to midland ski called referendums, used to justify the annexation illegal, and warned of a robust response from the new the girl key of your key. on the eve of those steps, russia shows with its aggression up not only on the battlefield, but with its aggressive policy. it continues to provide artificial referendums,

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welcome to the stream, i'm at 17 today living through the warren ukraine. how are ukrainians dealing with the latest shifts in the conflict, including the prospect of further russian annexation? take a listen to what ukrainian president vladimir zalinski had to say on tuesday. if she'll talk to somebody she, duma, if someone over there in russia thinks that they can get away with everything they are doing in the occupied territory. if someone over there in russia hopes that the world will betray its own values, frightened by some russian announcements about annexation over, then they are wrong villainy. each subsequent escalating step by the occupy are only confirms the fact that the world mustn't act even tougher. today will hear more about the war from people inside the ukraine with us from kiev. alexandra might be joke, executive director for ukraine center for civil liberties in car. keep maria deva

security analyst and research director for the european expert association and john pitts on check ceo of the human rights center as domino. and as always, you can join this conversation with your questions and comments right here in our live youtube chat. i want to start with the basics. let's start where you are maria and car. here. what is, what is it like on the ground there? i mean, you heard, you know, what, what, what, what the president of ukraine had to say. what is, what is one of the people have ukraine feeling that where you are i think excellent situation in harkey is very important on the the, the other steps of put in russia. and because in the after very successful ukraine and counter offensive in the almost old territory of parking region was liberated and it was on the russian occupation for more than 6 months. and with the

defeat and with the russian troops lean of the harkey region, i have seen it myself like the abandon bad sense of military weak bills and just are on out to the territory of russia with those still occupied territory. who didn't have to show something to his own population, show some kind of victory as some kind of progress and to give something about which he can furthermore belie rational side and to give ground for, for, for the support of this ongoing war and invasion and of course people in hard feel very in their genetic about the developments about deliberation. but on the other hand, they have a very difficult when we have to understand the situation because people have no access to run and want to look with the to know basic supplies for 6 months. the last and still big even after the territories liberated,

it's still very difficult for them. just simply survive. and maria and maria forgive me. i mean, they're basically starving. they're struggling to survive, but it's still dangerous. i mean, they're still attacks even this week. for example, on a railway, i mean, is it true that even though it's been liberated, it's still tenuous? absolutely, and as the russia is continued, the target tends to be lend infrastructure just in case they target to the infrastructure objects which supply electricity and the heat in which means the winter will be very hard for people hard on the 40 kilometers away from the border which means even not even if the western rep on helped him to protect the air defense, the banks will not be supplied. it will be very difficult for your great non army to stop that rushing me out. because russia is actually

a shower in the region with me almost every day. and it certainly seems, despite everything you said, and you outlined that the momentum is on the ukrainian side, or at least a lot of analysts are saying that i do want to ask you, you know, despite the sort of setbacks that we've seen military, the put in seems to be doubling down right on friday, expected to sign the documents after this sort of so called the referendum this vote in those 4 territories that are due to be annexed. i'm wondering with that in mind. what do you think that that's about alexandra? i mean, you're a human rights lawyer, is there anything legitimate about this referendum and if it's not legitimate, why is that significant? it's not the 1st time we've seen. couldn't do this as it is the same that a randall the total fake which way a nicer in the form of mockery into the mutation or for ukrainians released and there are 5 bedrooms. but there is

a very understandable reason why fortune organized this baker procedure. because this fake referenda was not legal procedure birth informational, special operation. and he tried to repeat his so called successful store you when he denies the same fake for him doom under their refills in occupied crimea. it's years to go. we was here, you're in this a so called peripheral, don't work and hero through our mobiles groups. and we, so how russians prosecute extra people who try even peacefully suppress their capacious. but after several little years, people in europe in other countries start to think may be a grey me on want to joy and russia for free, right? because they even have such counter proof random. so fujian, try to use this information off the gratian was to growth,

he tried to show their happy people who joined russia for russian population. and she tried to rely upon on short people memory and repeat this. so successful stories with crimea, random with europe, ian, and other kind of audience and i appreciate that context and those nuances. i mean it certainly seems like he's trying to obfuscate and confuse the world. seems like a strategy there. i want to also share with you, you know, a lot of people asking, is there an end in sight to this war? one of those people, jason j smart, a political adviser in warsaw. poland had this to say, take a listen. new more gravity is be very touch. it would seem that the russian army, though, has continue to fail to make any games or even to maintain the games they made months ago. ukraine continues to be on the offensive, pushing and pushing. and what they're doing now has been very successful,

and we see also that the russians are suffering from huge losses, low morale, and the general population has increasingly turn it against the war. it would certainly seem that the momentum at this point is on the side of ukraine. so i'm curious to know what do you make of his comments there? i mean, does, you can have the momentum and why couldn't kind of belligerently, you know, taking things out of the 2014 playbook, but also seemingly trying and doing what he was ignoring sort of the reality on the ground. he has, russian troops are being kicked off for more and more ingrained them better service and your brain and our horses are doing their job where well, although for us, this is very difficult because menu was friends and relatives defined in our country with weapon. for example, my brother, he's a programmer, but he's not in the wrong than yet. and as a co founder and board member of my and your human by the funder, maxine good guy,

which is also wants to protect our land as a part of the grant armed forces are now he's now in the russian capacity for us victory. also, we also hope for, for our, the france and colleagues return and then come back after the war and but the v. c. as you correctly said, there is support collation and with an announcer mark mobiles ation and in russia, which means that these unprepared soldiers, many of them, will die because they are not prepared for will be for, but also from ukraine inside the also, there will be more people killed and also looking at the picture at what the russian army is leaving behind. we'll fix a huge amount of toss it this and war crimes. and our fields mission just came back

yesterday from quite a keyboard each and michael is working in bullock lee in the, in the room. and in a week they documented a many instances of execution of civilians, the cases of rape for looting torture in port disappearances. and we might say that russia is using it as had of that warfare. and you know, the russian troops are, they just live in a lot of their every behind because they are forced to retreat and they are forced to just run. and the we have been, a lot of case has been the russians are just abandoned in everything. and use them the, the bicycles or cars they stole from the dealer in the territory they've recently occupied. and this shows the russian army is not as strong as we didn't want

everyone to be of course. and then what is he now doing is probably struggling to show something to his own population and to the world, and also the black male and with a nuclear rates as one of this right of me. right. and i do want to talk about the nuclear threat and also those war crimes and all your evidence that you've gathered, but also how that factors into whether there isn't any insight. in fact, to this war. if you look at my screen here in bremar tweeting kremlin bow billboards that are announcing jeanette lou, hans and all these other for the total of 4 tory territory is saying that the annexation comes shortly. you see these banners in russia. when you see these things in russia, do you think that's actually going to change things on the ground? i know maria said earlier that sandra. she's a little worried about the winter when you see these billboards what comes to mind?

well, 1st i'm sorry, we'll start with alexandra. go ahead. i will start with a point that the 1st thought which i came to my mind in that the fight in not only for the territory, but for the people wholly from the territories. that's why we have no other choice sooner or later. we will do you buy this territory and liberate all our people. and i'm, i'm glad you brought up the people living in that territory. we actually have an, a mash up of some people living in the periphery of the 4 territories that russia's antic seeing that you can see there. and they kind of seem to have some varying views on, on a lot of things, really the legitimacy of the vote and how things may end take a listen to some of the, the turner, it was from 15 to 30 percent of the inhabitants of the city not so to take the

results from bet. any math what to some will say that this is not statistics. the famous womb with tomorrow. yes, i am in favor of the referenda personally, i don't care who it is. i'm for peace. because i have 2 grand children and i worry about them. i mean it should the, for the full, it's when i consider what is happening there to be a total circus. people are being forced to vote. it doesn't make any difference if they vote or not. people are trying to save their lives, so they don't get killed. that's my opinion. these votes are not legitimate. maria, your reactions, i mean dentist calling at a total circus. i would imagine the 3 of you agree with that, but then you also heard from, you know, someone from an older generation valentina, they're saying she, she's supporting the referent. well, i would say that some of the people who leave on the occupied territories for all

these 7 years, things that russia 1st started the invasion, they're proud of. what's the job? because they have no choice. russia is feeling the territories with military which actually all the time, read them, population, leave him there. and let's take into consideration situation in the upper part of the territory where the nuclear power plant is actually located is occupied by russians and people working at the nuclear plant. when can not go home, they're forced to stay there. they are forced to do what the russian military is saying them, whereas the center of the regions appreciate itself is in the ukraine. uncontrolled territory in constantly, every day shall by the russian army. so we cannot say that people on the occupied territories have a possibility, extra to say,

was an independent of what their thoughts are. because like a neighbor came to your house and puts a gun and ask you to ward for you. it was, this is all right, and then you know me go ahead. i've seen yeah, go ahead. go ahead man. i would like to emphasize what input and sentence with this women to a woman told. she told i am waiting for russia because i want peace, vigorous i am carried about my family and children, et cetera. and this is something i've observed for years because for a tiers that we have bar took ukrainian, $3030.00 under capacious or russia. i mean crimea, and barto will guns, can then your region, and some people choose to take the so called survival moto, so they told, well, norton favor of ukraine, we are not in pharaoh, russia. we are in the people, we're not interested in politics. we just want to have a,

we're like routine work and to raise our children, etc. but as a human rights defender documented for crimes for 8 years on this territory. i know for sure that the survival modo will not save this people. unfortunately, i appreciate you making a point that i can agree is because my enjoy is if you mind doing that important disappearances and abductions and we get that information about 328 cases where local self government representatives or journalists, activities and theaters were kidnapped. and out of them, 16 persons fortune till death, and half of the people are still in captivity, and they are kept incommunicado in the basement. but this practice of enforced disappearing and divisive location of toll checks, if not, if you will. because when brush occupied occupied crimea,

back in 2014 the occupational authorities and the russian army acted together with the local foreign military group, which is called crimea. and self defense immediately started from the practice of abduction of local activities. from that time, 201421644 persons, including mia, where at the dock and the majority of them were all try me on the thought origin. the origin of people and then they immediately continue this practice in the boss where hundreds of people where became a victim talking for this appearance. and now we can speak about 1000. so we can so can to be on that because only us only only one and jo collected over $300.00 cases and there are many other and yours that analyze the data. and i appreciate you talking about don bass obviously for to me. and i know that is the northernmost region of ukraine. and you know, we've seen the documentation of war crimes,

the allegations being made, not just by human rights defenders and lawyers like yourself, but the u. s. independent, international commission released findings that russia has committed war crimes in ukraine. this is your tweet, maria, you, you visited in, is you the bodies that were being, i think hundreds of exhortations, as you say, unmarked graves. people being lifted out, witnesses confirm to you that they saw people being shot on the street by russians . other died from shelling and a lack of access to health care. you describe it in your treat as so horrible you could barely breathe. i'm curious. what can you share with us about that experience and what, what worries you most about the winter, we've seen the nuclear threats. we discussed that briefly. we've seen the threats of depriving europe and others of energy. what worries you most i've been for the last 2 weeks going around harkey region to the area that were just recently liberated. and we have, we have seen one on the beach or it would be torture south,

where russians will put people when, when they were on their occupation. the other thing will be my grade because that was great is where about 450 graves, unmarked. we just numbers to fall and it's just the only one the most terrible case, but they're out the same situations in other occupied regions. and then people are telling that they've seen there's been killed. i have personally talked to witnesses, not too many. some of them saw it, the other say that their relative just disappeared and they don't know where they are. and people because they all the cars, all the communication and all the and utility smoke caught all their work. look in with a very great right and concern in the upcoming winter. what will they do now?

they are offered to be evacuated? no, if you want, you can be about it to other territories of ukraine where you will have more or less conditions for living through the winter. yeah. and you know, it's, it's interesting to hear you outline those concerns and seeing some of the questions that are coming into us on our youtube chat. i want to share one with you . alex sandra hunter, thompson thing wasn't ukraine winning. how are russia managing to and i, through cranium territory does not involve them being in the territory with fake western news. obviously, you know, raising to varying kind of narrative here that the western media not always get this right. but also that, you know, it's confusing. how was russia actually going to annex 15 percent of the territory? alexandra, does that mean ukraine's not winning and what is needed to win,

or at least to end? this war isn't weapons. i'm a human rights lawyer who spend 20 years for defend human rights in ukraine, and we see region. and now when they ask how we can help people in the queue by 3030, just divide from the terror, which russian to night there. i found myself in reverse situation when they answer least provide the ukraine with weapons. because all my 20 years experience in human rights defense couldn't help me because any legal instrument on not work. russia brutally ignored the international human you said in law and all decision for international organization. so i will remind you that these 4 started not in february this year, but in february 2014 and fortune started this war. yes, only. i'm sorry, i don't mean to interrupt you, but you made this point. i appreciate you making the point that it didn't start now

. but i'm just going to push back a little bit on this question of these threats that we hear. i mean, is this an actual, do you imagine we've heard these threats before from putting is that a real possibility in your mind as someone who is who's been following this and documenting all this? alexandra puts in the will, will stop only when he will be stopped, so he will do everything which he want and to you, he will, he will be aloft to do it. so, the response to this question depend on international community, okay. and the problem, i just want to say, it's hard to interrupt you again, i'm terribly sorry, but in the spirit of time, i want to understand what does the international community need to do most in your mind as a human rights lawyer? is it send long range weapons? i mean, that's been the, the demand for from ukraine long creation distance, revenue, economical function, which controls ability of russian economy to feed the sport and justice. we really

need just because russian troops committed this war crimes for decades in shooting are in the model by, in cedar, in the be in monday and they enjoy community. they start to believe they can do everything and what they wanted. we must break the circle from community. we need justice. and with that in mind, i want to come to you, maria. i want to share with you a video comment that we received from max and pen shanker. take a listen. russia is now trying to mobilize a huge amount of reservation in an attempt to reverse what otherwise seems to be a losing battle. and in this context, rationalist information practices are key. in addition to their regional messages about ukraine, allegedly being a naughty state, which was used to innovate the country, the 1st place. russia is now trying to pay the picture of fighting the entire need to block in ukraine. which of course, hating the risks or potential nuclear incident. you know, maria, i have to ask you,

what do you think of that? and also, you know, in our youth chat, a lot of people are very concerned and curious about this nuclear war threat we've heard at time and time again. is it a real threat or is it just, you know, saber rattling? is it just buying time? what, what is it in your mind? well, we have to take this very serious and we have to be prepared for your question. if you grade need the where on the most, yes, this is the only way out and we need, we're on to protect the land, the more long wrench, high, precise, where on ukraine as the weaker all the territory or few grain will deliberate that . and that's the only goal you have to live the rate of the territories that now and occupied by russia. how so the response to the nuclear threat and nuclear blackmailing provide ukraine more whereupon show that you all the west is united and we are all united and we will not let him continue this black mile. and because

if he only succeeds in this, he will go for that he will go for both dick's place for poland, anywhere he wishes, because that's his dream. and he does about it openly. he wants, i mean, put him to restore the russian empire, and that he won't talk it only in ukraine now most certainly, and i, i want to thank you, dana, and all of you for joining us. i mean, you know, we've seen that the, what washington dc and the, you are planning to impose additional additional sanctions on russia. we don't know if that'll be enough, but it's certainly not the last conversation we'll have here at the stream. thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next time. ah ah, ah,

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