and his favorite subject in school tis arabic. he is only 13, but his family says he's already seen too much. who can go, don't let me know. he was sitting here when the soldiers entered the house. the soldier started yelling at him, so we ran away. the soldier shouted at him that he's the stone thrower. will you run away from one side and the soldier met him from the other side. ryan saw the soldier in front of him. he was shocked and dropping dead out of fear. had is a man lives nearby and she tells us that these really forces came here looking for children. can you tell me what happened? yes, this is home. it is, i have that they were going in all directions just looking for any child. they could find the soldiers even summoned my young brother. i told him he threw stones at them and needed to be arrested. he said he had nothing to do with it. is there any media, those that is really soldiers were looking for stolen throwers, but people here say that even if the children were growing gone,

what harm would the 3rd, when you rolled code, the soldiers were armed through their teeth. they say that the main goal and one is to instill fear among fellow vivian. oh ha ah ah, just a quick look at the main stories of following now and russia used it's vito power to block a un security council resolution condemning its annexation of 4 ukrainian regions. now china, gabon, india, and brazil. all abstained in this vote. rusher is a permanent member of the body, and so it has consistently wielded its privilege to block un resolutions on the conflict and ukraine. meanwhile, present boots, enjoying thousands of people at moscow's red square today from public celebration after formerly claiming the territory. it follows referendums denounced as sham

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zapora asia. on may a couple of other stories now and their affairs that became a faster could be on the cusp with another coo, after heavy gunfire and the capital work a do go gunshots, wired at the main military camp in the city, and at near the presidential palace the army has blocked access to major buildings, and at the death toll from a suicide attack on an education center in afghanistan has risen to 50. this took place in the afghan capital cobble in a mainly sheer part of the town. many of the victims were female upfront his next aah! with brazil, president ya in boston. otto is up for reelection on october, 2nd against former president, luis enough the olivia silver. and what many view as

a defining moment for the country. what whole suggest that it is in the lead? some fear that both in our own might not accept defeat. what will this mean for brazil's democracy and what would a new lula presidency look like for brazil? will ask brazil, former minister of foreign affairs and current advisor to lose campaign so. so i'm already in an up front special. ah so so already im thank you so much for joining me on up front. thank you. brazil's elections are coming up on october 2nd, and it is between former president lula da silva, who was currently leading the polls against incumbent j bowles to narrow an early this month. both now support a stab to death. a lula supporter, and on brazil's independence they both an arrow called the election, a fight between good and evil. meanwhile, at a recent debate,

lula accused both in ardo, of quote, destroying the country. even if little wins the election, millions of people will have voted for boston. are given this level of polarization . how does the country move forward? i created magic blame. it works. i really no korea diplomats or you or 60 years with different government. most of them are something totally, all of all the all to do is they show up and g culture and g everything you get you like this. if i read with more than rational follow politics,

i mean i have gone through many other elections. this is certainly the most dramatic one you're giving in brazil because after a long time in which also lulu or the victim of this some sort of. busy as usual, or whatever we are now, all the democratic boards are supporting lula. yeah, we have research, even with all the rivals, depalma rivals on. we are all, all of them rational people are not, it's only the extreme right. the other support. so what, what do you do when you have people, as you say, who are strong supported, the p t, the workers party. you also people on the other side who are taking a very different position. even if both in our loses, there will be a lot of unhappy people. there will be a lot of unsatisfied people. this election, as you pointed out, is the most dramatic in years. if not ever. how does the country move forward when

there's such a big divide between the people? well, i think we're able to construct a big alliance, which you, many, you know, was more, i kind of a social democrat. less green may be by your standards, but he built a lot of alliance. you. ready the man and he's the vice president. what is former rival so i will deal with them. so we did do geisha patients with dialogue. i think a lot of people are just manipulated by w. h will be a difficult driver, get you. the question about trump is there a new and i did states, but anyway, i equal and we see what's happening in the thing. so that part of the electrons are so important because it's not going to elect should be like live as if you were labeled block, then it goes over the park or something equivalent in german or whatever it's,

it's an election between everything that represents the civilized norms of all believing and good in a relation, climate change are of right and people who are on the other side, on the opposite side, you want to destroy not the left, not the legacy. you want to describe. they are destroy the legacy of a 100 years over a 1000000 republic, more than a 100 years yet, or destroying the all the legacy. although of the constitutional that was what 2 years ago. so it's something very special on the whole the way to look well actually which is a very cool one with the dialogue. ready to discuss and to discuss rationally, i think will stablish democracy as it should be with lola leaving the poles ahead of brazil election. president,

boston ro is already laying the groundwork to declare the election results fraudulent. he's publicly questioning the reliability of the elections, particularly brazil electronic voting system. and the last time lula attempted to run for president in 2018, he was sent to prison by a judge was eventually found to be biased by the country supreme court. the charges were known, but nevertheless, the point remains. do you worry what happens if boston r o does not accept the results of the election? i don't think this can happen. get a lot of trouble. some of these people were very fanatic. water is happening with the capitol hill. f is all what i don't think is what prevail get dark and reveal. especially right doesn't you're the only one story got right there. go to go only only successful when they have the board of under canonical. each of the big

media and scarlet stand, foreign countries and in this gave a boast, won't have annual woke though i don't think we are maybe don't realize that the, the other thing you need is support of the military. since both scenario came to power, he has tripled the number of military personnel in keith civilian posts, to more than a 1000. his running mate is a former general who like both and aro, has praised brazil's military dictatorship, so it doesn't accept the election. what role does the military play this seems like it could be another piece of the, of a potential crisis here. well, i was minister of the same in brazil, so i know them rather well one way, one thing was people who are already retired or often or politics like many ministers who actually came from ranks. and the other thing is why the high

command of the ability to do i really do the leg work, boy not venture isolate them on in the world. so i don't think they, i think that really didn't hold the results on them action especially as if we open, we are clear, we believe it will happen if there is any immediate recognition of the election. okay, fair enough. let's pivot to the economy a bit. lula has argued that it's time to put the poor in the budget, and then it's time to tax the rich. yet there's been talk that he might appoint his center right, running, mate. sure. all the admin to the finance minister in the past argument supported privatizing brazil state run oil economy. and he's presided over the violent

eviction of thousands of families from the pen your in your settlement, while he was governor of sao paulo is this potential decision a signal that lulu might be moving away from left the left wing policies of his last presidency. not at all. i mean, why are you even here the last president or not so obviously be the part the election, but many of diminished points. it cannot be. once you left me, i think of course laser someone who is very careful, read not the spending more than it's possible, but at the same time we will not relinquish his for the nation will help the poor and to hell. those are head up. have you discriminate the all these you will people, women bless people, you don't. brazil is it has the largest opera center population in the world. check

on only tonight, jude much bigger than there might state. so i think all of these people support lead support to government question the court and there isn't the support. the question is if he moving further to the center or center, right. even if you're establishing your, your potential presidency with people whose economic policies and disposition toward the poor is not in line with leveling policies. well, let me see, it's not looking to move to the center of the right seat. the sent the right to the left. because of the demand missed the ball, so battle government were present. so evicting, evicting families in, in and pinion. reno, privatizing the economic us the oil industry. these are a neal liberal and in some ways just violet moves. these are not just

a response to both and these are problematic. one there? oh no. that was what you're referring to deposit of the people who would all the land they are compliant. right. yeah. was well in the app is we did it. we would not agree with that and agree. and so, but i think louisville knew that, but i have a very often appreciation of all being and i think he's very identified with the whole program. and he has been saying and repeating that, like the most popular leader and the one that really represents people. so i don't have any problem. and of course you are nomic problems. we may have because they are going to be is not or the world off the war. 1 a new grain, they're saying shut the price of oil, all our big problems and of course, you know,

gauge, you have your deforestation that are allowed to be. ready from prime given by so there are many problems denied, but i think we have a platform which is more left which will require the asian some time that's happened in the past at all spanish through that. so i won't belabor the point, but someone even conciliation at this point if, if you're going into a potential administration, choosing people who are to the right of your economic policy. but i wanna talk about corruption for minute. lewis has promised a crackdown on corruption if elected, and he made similar promises in the past, but his party, the workers party are p t, isn't immune to corruption itself in 2005, while he was in power, there was a major corruption scandal in which high ranking politicians from the p t were

convicted of bribing members of congress to gain political support using public funds. a louis former chief of staff was among those convicted as well as the former head of the party. how do you uphold lou promises? how do you make, how do we make sure that the christian doesn't happen again? well, liquid, all the, all the instruments to come back. corruption in brazil or at least the most abusive were created during blue ministry. so the freedom will reach the president police equivalent the i asked read all the following political orientation from the government. many other aspects of opening the transparency law. and i was a great number of last. these were greek during lulu. i think that's part of the that's part of the concern for me sir, is that during the time when this stuff has been established is very party with

engaged in corruption and members of his of his staff is former chief of staff was engaged. so it seems to me that it's possible for him to have a vigilant. well, i don't see the problem. the brazil was bigger than any other developers who have leave the diplomat. i think a lot of what was called corruption work. what do you call or can bear like something like this? there was a rub up, but this was not particularly to be at all. you'd have come from a long time and he has to do a lot with, as i said, we let them choose them which makes our elections very, very expensive. mostly the elections are represented gets 4 or longer people. so i see these will continue looking at that with transparency

and support and the strawman like the federal police, like an independent judiciary, an independent or in your case in the case you don't like the state. the man would be called the general is a political appointee in our case, defender or use also has a great board consume, uni golding of what happened in the past. i think it's they form and they chose for me to say what was correct, of course, or after the something sheet, you'll have to come back and make them always again. so, but these are, there have always supported these instruments and they will prevent she just gave corruption appear again, let's talk about the environment a bit. a brazil is one of the most bio diverse countries in the world, meaning that brazil's environmental policy could really be

a game changer for the world. and while lula has been praised for reducing the rate of amazon deforestation during his time in office, he also supported major infrastructure projects, including the belmont, a hydro electric damn, which displaced that were around $40000.00 people and triple greenhouse gas emissions in the eastern region. how can you ask people who are affected by those projects to trust lula again? well, let me say, 1st of all, the, although i'm not sure that everything was perfect. there are contracted between social forces in the country, but during mueller government, the rate of the government, the rate of participation, diminished match absolutely match rate greece, even if the economy was growing. so we get so watson that i, what i would say over a real or minister and so on the ocean,

you reduce the climate problem nowadays even bigger deal probation we did with sure that we are not meeting carbon. i will be much bigger. now these will be in this same federal ideal for green development . this is paul is the very state recall. so they agreed to babylon, dan is present. so i think that the idea of stopping deforestation and having a kind of painful development. but can we, can it be for a friends, respectfully, deforestation isn't in question right now. will we reasonably expect more major infrastructure projects, more displacement of people. these are things that happen before. why should we believe they won't happen again? because i think that gorgeous,

and that's where it is bigger than if your interviews, including the one with we did on a brass gave the i'll actually one you'll see the climate change became a family concern, which was not as dental as it is now. but lula has even mentioned that create a ministry or be handled by the indigenous person. so you will be much more centrally the policy. there was a, he just spoke the whole cycle change and you also, which is very important. i mean, look, game problem does still feel so good, good, good, good way to work as well. you know, way dominant. now you are very important or what did you also want to look at? the digital people are the people of the black origin who even communities, all black people and rich. although already was happening,

the bus will be much more in the future. ok. talk to him or l development lula says that brazil still needs oil for a while. and he said that he would not join an anti oil block as proposed by columbia as newly elected progressive president, gustavo petro. but it looks like you're planning to continue to, to rely on oil despite the climate crisis. how does lula intend to reverse environmental damage from the boston auto years while backing fossil fuels? well, i think these are a lot of larger staff will be able to see him on the national community. so i think if we find a samsung on how much oil also oil can be if we substitute or os loyal by other source of energy like, or green eyes or jane or whatever. so i'm going to follow by follow the rules

and you contribute to the rules limit guy. what i myself remember while grandma told her shooting, so this is a, these are very much present. how exactly will be i was i, i'm sure work on, on the, on the, on the direction of the diminution of the relative role of awesome. what do you do not only problem a problem, united states as well, and what your other brands are to do and i can stay on other parts of the world. if you've talked about being a career diplomat in the early 2000 and you served as little as foreign affairs minister. and one of the things that you would have to do to do was to strengthen brazil integration with it south american neighbors. right now, many are saying we're living through a new pink tide with recently elect a progressive governments in places like columbia. and sheila, if lula is elected,

what role do you see brazil playing in those into regional integration efforts and wondering goals? well, let me tell you, i see the world today. well, there are many, many other aspect to that. but let me state, i see the world today to be in the middle of some kind of dilemma between multiple ada or cold war gold, or from time to begin, begin reading or so. and we think the gratian of solamerica cause help america, america, caribbean, a general genario. so the more weight, the great and more all you heard and definitely contribute not only to our in our favor, but in the world. i think it's very important that the american and caribbean will have their board. in order for that to happen. we have to be more integrated. each

country wants to handle their advance and you're having a bigger probably don't i could state or bigger investment or trying to we don't big call. did the whole continent, i think will lowe's will. i mean brazil is a big country. even brazil is not big enough to discuss the nice and state china discussed being younger. so that's one reason why a degree should be so important. 20 years after his 1st election progresses are once again looking to lula who is now 76 years old. it would appear that no one on the left, his neighbor matches popularity, $7.00 to $770.00 even more. so for a $77.00. yeah, no, it's 77 years old and no one seems to be able to match his pop. i don't find it. i'm a g at granted by instead of the 779. yeah,

i think this is well the problem with the bottom tech chain in a way. but one of the patterns and themes is that the left is looking to people for help and support without a clear success to ship. when lula leaves office, there's a parliamentary clue. there's major political turmoil. it seems to me that we often are, are centering, our progressive movements around individuals, rather than values. and so then when that person leaves, it's hard to find successor shit. we're seeing the same problem again in the united states. what, what do you say? the people who ask the question, what is the plan for a progressive political future in brazil? what is the plan for success or ship that extends beyond? well, i don't know, but there are several of the i could never equal their in bridgeview in politics a possible future governor of some follow. but the many other people who would

be qualified and was much younger worry the or the early. i mean, be in order written on file stress, the all the real democratic society with the fearful side, with social justice and so on, may be at the point we need experience more inventive. they'd be 4 years from now. it will be the other way around, but you know, as you like to say the cross that bridge when we get to the, our robin knowledge re story piece, bill $300.00 restoring you, managing your restoring civilization, restoring go the racial policy, good policies for women. so that's what we would need now. what made possible the ally of would you guilds, the traditional sense of right people? and the more or less we will have people. we're our marguerite. and you'll have

people who are bankers, all of them supporting lula. now because i eat the question of salvation of national home base, i am bracky, you know, i'm an old guy so i have to be every both. so i don't think he'll win. i don't think he said you can. but if you would, when brazil, as we understand the longer mr. marine, thank you so much for joining me on up for. thank you very much. all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back next week. the ah

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