these things millions of traditional conservative party voters care about which is why the latest opinion polls a chilling news for the government, the opposition labor party, boasting a staggering $33.00 point lead over the ruling conservatives. if things continue as they are, it is difficult to see how trust could be the person that fights the next election because it would be, you know, i suicide note from the conservative party. the question is he would replace that. i wouldn't be surprised if bars johnson comes back. who's that? yes, be heard it all. this uncertainty means the return. of course, johnson isn't as far fetched as it seems. the government, meanwhile, is backpedaling officials from britain's independent fiscal watchdog. the office for budget responsibility arriving at downing street on friday to deliver the verdict on the plan. something governments normally do ahead of a fiscal announcement. the chancellor of the exchequer quasi crossing on the other hand, refused in a dash for growth, and a rush to st. louis, trust his leadership in history, a leadership that's faltering. the 1st hurdle,

me palka, al jazeera london. ah, are we on the top stories on al jazeera ukraine says its forces of entered the ma, so controlled supply hub of lee men in the daniel region. russia says it has now withdrawn from the area. this comes a day after president vladimir putin declared for regions including daniel, part of the russia federation. the cities important for moscow, as it serves as the logistics in transport hub, connecting ukraine's east to the north, or a challenge has more from the capital cave. what we hear from the current military is that they are, they are inside the town fights are ongoing, but ukrainian forces are inside the town of lee. man. essentially though, it seems that that has fall in that town of leave and his fall. and now to, to the credit, despite these fights on going russian military bloggers on the telegram channels

and switzer accounts are saying they pulled out re and oversee the russian news agency is saying that the russians have retreated from the man as well. so i think we can reasonably safely assume that the man, despite those fights, i'm going is pretty much in the hands of the crane is now. lebanon's president has received a u. s. mediated proposal to resolve a maritime border dispute with israel. israel and lebanon have been holding indirect talk frontier at royal waters in the mediterranean, and the division of gas fields. thousands have gathered into a rocky capital to mark the 3rd anniversary of major demonstrations against the government. the protest in 21900, called for an entr, rambling corruption and high unemployment. and what became known as history and movement securities and titans around iraq capital. most of its bridges and main roads are closed for testers are demanding the removal of a political establishment. they say is corrupt. students from some iranian

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against former president, luis enough, the little silver. and what many view as a defining moment for the country. while the whole suggest that lulu is in the lead, some fear the both and i don't, mike, not accept the feet. what will this mean for those democracy? and what would a new ruler presidency look like for brazil will ask brazil, former minister of foreign affairs and current advisor to lose campaign, though, so i'm already in upfront special. the tell so many. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. brazil elections are coming up on october 2nd, and it is between former president lula silver who is currently leading the polls against incumbent year both scenario and early this month of both of our support staff to death, a lulu supporter, and on brazil's independence they both narrow called the election,

a fight between good and evil. of meanwhile, at a reason to bay, lulu accused both and otto of quote, destroying the country. even if little when the election, millions of people will have voted for both and are given this level of polarization. how does the country move forward or it could created methods, planing the word, i didn't know, i read a diplomat, so i you or 60 years with different government, most from our something totally, all, all the, all the, all to do a until you believe they show up and you go sure and g, everything you get, you get 5 with them or more than rational follow

politics. i mean, i have gone through many other elections. this is certainly the most drawback, what you're giving in brazil, because after a long time in which also lulu or the victim of this, i'm sort of last as usual or whatever. we are know, all the democratic boards are supporting lula. yeah, we hand reaches even with all the rivals depalma rivals on. we are all, all of them were rational. people supported not only the extreme right now, but support. so now what, what do you do when you have people, as you say, who are strong support of the p t, the workers party. you also have people in the other side who are taking a very different position. even if both in our loses, there will be a lot of unhappy people. there will be a lot of unsatisfied people. this election, as you pointed out, is the most dramatic in years. if not ever. how does the country move forward when

there's such a big divide between the people? well, i think we're able to construct a big alliance, which you do many more kind of a social democrat. less green may be by your standards, but he built a lot in alliance. ready the man and he's the vice president. what is former rival so i will deal with them. so we did geisha with patients with dialogue. i think a lot of people are manipulated by the most. it will be a difficult driver to, to, to do the same question about drunk isn't in there in united states, but anyway, i people and we see what's happening in the thing. so that part of the electron you are so important because it's not an election between right and left as if you were the label block that it was park gate or something equivalent in german or whatever

it's, it's an election between everything that represents the civilized norms of all believing and good in relation to climate change are of rice and people who are on the other side. on the opposite side, you want to destroy not the left, not the legacy of the one for the prior. they are destroy the legacy of 100 years over a 1000000 republic, more than a 100 years yet destroying the all the legacy. although of the constitutional that was what 2 years ago. so it's something very special on the whole different way to look well actually, which is a very or you one with all the dialogue, the discussion and to discuss rationally, i think, will stablish democracy as it should be. with lula leaving the poles ahead of

brazil's election, president boston ro is already laying the groundwork to declare the election results fraudulent. he's publicly questioning the reliability of the elections, particularly brazil, electronic voting system. and the last time lula attempted to run for president in 2018, he was sent to prison by a judge was eventually found to be biased by the country supreme court. the charges were known, but nevertheless, the point remains. do you worry what happens if boston road does not accept the results of the election? i don't think this can happen. get me a lot of trouble. some of these people were very fanatic. water is happening tonight with the capitol hill. f is all, what i don't think is what prevail get dark and reveal. especially right. doesn't charge the only one he got right. they're going to go only only successful when

they have the report on the canonical eat, all bake media and fall august stamps foreign countries and it just gave a bullshit. i won't have annual woke though. i don't even realize that the, the other thing you need is support the military. since both scenario came to power, he has tripled the number of military personnel in keith civilian posts, to more than a 1000. his running mate is a former general who like both and aro, has praised brazil's military dictatorship, so it doesn't accept the election. what role does the military play this seems like it could be another piece of the, of a potential crisis here. well, i was minister of the same in brazil, so i know them rather well one way, one thing, what people who are already retired or off the politics,

like many ministers who actually came from the ranks we do. and the other thing is what the high command of the ability to do. i really do the leg work, boy who are not venture to isolate them on in the world. so i don't think they, i think they really do a whole results on direction, especially as if we open, we are clear, we believe it will happen if there is any immediate recognition of the election. okay, fair enough. let's pivot to the economy a bit. lula has argued that it's time to put the poor in the budget, and then it's time to tax the rich. yet there's been talk that he might appoint his center right running, mate. sure. all the admin to the finance minister in the past argument supported

privatizing brazil state run oil economy. and he's presided over the violent eviction of thousands of families from the pen your in your settlement, while he was governor of sao paulo is this potential decision a signal that lula might be moving away from left the left wing policies of his last presidency. not at all. i mean, why are you even here last present or not so obviously be the part of the election but many of diminished points that cannot be once you left me. i think of course, lawyers are someone who is very careful, read not spending more than each watchable, but at the same time, we will not relinquish his or the financial will help the poor and to hell those head have discriminated. all these you will have people, women bless people, your brazil is the,

has the largest opera population in the world, a tech on only to die, jude, much bigger than there might state. so i think all of these people support learned support to government question, but the court is there isn't the support. the question is if he moving further to the center or center, right. even if you're establishing your, your potential presidency with people whose economic policies and disposition toward the poor is not in line with leveling policies. well, let me see, it's not looking to move to the center of the right that would see the sent the right move on to the left because of the madness of the ball. so that'll government represent white evicting, evicting families in, in and pinion. reno privatizing the economic us that the oil

industry, these are a neal liberal and in some ways just violet moves. these are not just a response to both and these are problematic. one there. oh no, that was what you're referring to deposit of the people who would all the land they are compliant. right? yeah. was well in the app is we did it, we would not agree with the agree and so but i think luly adel him, i knew that i have a very on the didn't appreciation of all been. and i think he's very identified with the whole program and he has been saying and repeating that like the most popular leader and the one that really represents people. so i don't have any problem. and of course you are nomic problems. we may have because they want to be is not or the world up the day the war. 1 a new, great or sanction, the price of oil, all our big problems and of course, you know,

gave you have your deforestation that are allowed to be. ready from prime given by so there are many problems denied, but i think we have a platform which is more left which will require some time that's happened in the past at all spanish through that. so i won't belabor the point, but someone even conciliation at this point if, if you're going into a potential administration, choosing people who are to the right of your economic policy. but i want to talk about corruption for a minute. lewis has promised a crackdown on corruption if elected and he made similar promises in the past, but his party, the workers party are p t, isn't immune to corruption itself in 2005, while little was empower. there was a major corruption scandal in which high ranking politicians from the p t were

convicted of bribing members of congress to gain political support using public funds. a louis former chief of staff was among those convicted as well as the former head of the party. how do you uphold louis promises? how do you make, how do we make sure that the corruption doesn't happen again? well, liquid, all the, all the instruments to come by. corruption in brazil, or at least the most efficient, were created during blue administrative. so if you don't reach the president police equivalent, they have the i asked result, the only political orientation from the government. many other aspects of opening the transparency law and a great number of last these were greek during lulu. i think that's part of the

that's part of the concern for me sir, is that during the time when this stuff is being established is very party with engaged in corruption and members of his of his staff is former chief of staff was engaged. so it seems to me that it's possible for him to have a vigilant. well, i don't think the problem was bigger than any other developers who have leave the diplomat. i think a lot of what was called corruption work. what do you call or can bear like something like that there was rub up, but it was not particularly to be at all. you'd have come from a long time and he has to do a lot with, as i said, we elect them based our elections very, very expensive. mostly the elections for representatives for or longer people. so i think these will continue looking at that with

transparency and support and the strawman like the federal police like an independent dish or yet in the band. the or isn't your case and the case you don't like that state. the man would be called the general is a political appointee in our case, you defender or use also has a great importance in eating golding of what happened in the past. they, they form and they chose for me to say what was correct, of course, corrupt or do something different sheet. you'll have to come back and make them always again. so, but these are, there have always supported these instruments and they will prevent she just gave corruption appear again, let's talk about the environment a bit. brazil is one of the most bio diverse countries in the world,

meaning that brazil's environmental policy could really be a game changer for the world, and why lula has been praised for reducing the rate of amazon deforestation during his time in office. he also supported major infrastructure projects, including the belmont, a hydro electric damn, which displaced where i'm $40000.00 people and tripled greenhouse gas emissions in the eastern region. how can you ask people who are affected by those projects to trust lula again? well, let me say, 1st of all, although i'm not sure that everything was perfect. there are contract between social forces in the country. but during lulu government, the rate of the government, the rate of participation, diminished match absolutely match rate greece, even if the army was growing. so you get so watson that if i what i would say there's

a real or minister in so on the portion of the climate problem nowadays even bigger. so the deal, probation we did with ensuring that we are not making carbon. i will be much bigger now. these will be in this sam federal the ideal for green development this paul is the very state recall. so the green development is present. so i think that the idea of stopping deforestation and having a kind of painful development. but can we, can it be for a friends, respectfully, deforestation isn't in question right now. will we reasonably expect more major infrastructure projects, more displacement of people? these are things that happen before. why should we believe they won't happen again?

because i think the longest and most of them where it is bigger. if your interviews, including the one where we did on our breast, gave the last one. you'll see the climate change became a family concern, which was not as simple as it is now. but lula has even mentioned that create the ministry, or be handled by the indigenous person. so you will be much more centrally the policy. there was a just that spoke the whole science changing. you also, which is very important. i mean, look, game problems, industrial field, sol, good, good, good, good way to just work as i was, you know, way, dominant. now, you know, are very important or what it is also important. look at the digital people are the people of black origin who even communities,

all black people and rich. although already the was happening, the bus will be much more in the future. okay. talk to him or ill development lula says that brazil still needs oil for a while. and he said that he would not join an anti oil block as proposed by columbia as newly elected progressive president, gustavo petro. but it looks like you're planning to continue to, to rely on oil despite the climate crisis. how does lula intend to reverse environmental damage from the boston auto years while backing fossil fuels? well, i think these are a lot of larger staff will be able to see him on the national community. so i think if we find a samsung overall, how much oil also oil, can we substitute or os loyal by other forces? well then if you like, or he is the green eyed or jane or whatever. so i'm going to follow by follow the

rules and you contribute the rules limit guy. what i myself remember while i'm a dog are shooting. so this is a, these are all, sir, very more present. how exactly will be i can see what i, i'm sure death will work on, on the, on the, on the direction of the do you mean you should of the relative role of boss or what is not only a problem, a problem. united states, as well as what your other brands do, make a statement on other parts of your work. if you've talked about being a career diplomat in the early 2, thousands, you served as little as foreign affairs minister. and one of the things that you would them to do to do was to strengthen brazil's integration with its south american neighbors. right now, many are saying we're living through a new pink tide with recently elected progressive governments in places like columbia. and sheila, if lula is elected,

what role do you see brazil playing in those into regional integration efforts and what are your goals? well, let me tell you, i see the world today. well, there are many, many other aspects to that. but let me see, i see the world today to be in the middle of some kind of dilemma between multiple ada or cold war, old or sometimes beginning, begin grieving or so. and we think the gratian of south america, america, these america got to be in a general genario. so the more weight, the great and more all you heard and definitely contribute not only to our in our favor, but to be in the world. i think it's very important that the american caribbean

will have their board in order for that to happen. you have to be maurice degree. each country wants to handle their advanced and having a bigger problem don't like a state or bigger investment trying without taking it off. did the whole continent, i think will lowe's, will. i mean brazil is a big country. even brazil is not big enough. discussed and go nice and state china discuss we're going to be in your so that's one reason why a degree should be so important. 20 years after his 1st election progresses are once again looking to lula who is now 76 years old. it would appear that no one on the left, his neighbor matches popularity. $7770.00 even more. so for a $77.00. yeah. yeah. no, it's 77 years old and no one seems to be able to match his pop. i don't find it. i am i a g? i always buy it. it is the $779.00. yeah,

i think this is well the problem when the buttons have changed in a way, but one of the patterns and themes is that the left is looking to people for help and support without a clear successor ship. when lula leaves office, there is a parliamentary coup. there's major political turmoil. it seems to me that we often are, are centering our progressive movements around individuals, rather than values. and so then when that person leaves, it's hard to find success or shit, we're seeing the same problem again in the united states. what, what do you say to people who ask the question, what is the plan for a progressive political future in brazil? what is the plan for success or ship that extends beyond lula? well, i don't know, but there are several of the i would need several equals there in politics, a possible future governor of some follow what the many other people who would

be qualified and why are much younger worry the or the mean be in order written style struck the views of a real democratic society, the fearful side with social justice and so on may be at this point, we need to experience more than inventiveness. they be 4 years from now. it will be the other way around. but you know, as you like to say, the cross that bridge when we get to the, our problem now is re story b bill to bill country restoring. you manage your restoring civilization, restoring the racial policy, good policies for women. so that's what we would need now, and that's what made life. would you guilds, the traditional sent the right people?

and the more or less we will have people were are my gary lot and you'll have people were bankers, all of them supporting lula. now because i eat the question of salvation of national home base i and bracky, you know, i'm an old guy, so i have every both serrato. i don't think you'll win. i don't think that you can . but if you would, when brazil, as we have the longer mr. marine. thank you so much for joining me on a thank you very much. all right, that is our show up front will be back next week. the in 1996. a group of young people,

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