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but is 8 alone enough and kind of humanitarian disaster be of that. this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm harsh. i'm, i'll bother. after years of unprecedented drought in somalia, a famine is now expected to be declared within weeks. the united nation says since january last year, more than a 1000000 people have been forced to leave their homes in search of food and assistance is humanitarian ship. martin griffith is calling on the international community to deliver aid immediately. we have a lot to get to with our gas in a moment. first, here's my report. on the situation on the ground. it's been a prolonged drought in somalia. some of its regions haven't seen rain in 2 years.

desperate for food, water, and grazing for their cattle. thousands of people are fleeing their homes, walking long distances under the scorching sun. where hammered. i my dear year and his family left their coastal city. the 60 year old says he had to walk more than a 1000 kilometers to get to this desolate camp, hoping to get food and shelter. cool little by the national half a dozen 100. if you walked some distance out of here, you will see lots of bonds, but lots of animal bonds piled up on the top of each other. from all the corners, the sight of these wounds will shock you together. not only here but toward the region. samaya is one of the poorest countries in the world battered by decades of violence, war and political instability. this drought could be its worst yet. the un thies, the crisis could be similar to the 2011 famine, which killed more than

a quarter of a 1000000 people. half of them children thousands have died so far. man attrition is killing children every day because of the people from 4 days ago and came away in the chair was not even a laugh, a salesman, and that was a bit of cautious when he taking that route has hit it started on put on medication and that's where they at least the because his own cannot improvement. the situation is critical. aid worker sometimes take the limited resources from the hungry to treat those who are starving. somalis blame the russian invasion of ukraine for depleting, international aid, the used to receive every year. and for soaring food rises because we're not always in the house. there were between crane a. russia has worse and destination of oil and wheat. we turn out available. we

bring the food out away from our got issue and the prices have skyrocketed since our land is dry and, and productive. the most desperate live in central and southern parts of somalia. under the control of a chabad the way and blames the armed crew for contributing to the 2011 famine. by deliberately blocking of burning a deliveries on targeting 8 workers for the time being and until 8 arrives. hundreds of thousands will have to deal on their own with cholera mondor tuition, and starvation hush, barbara al jazeera. ah let, bring in our girth imogen issue, adam our her see the somali, minnesota state for the environment and climate change. his also former deputy chair of the national drought response committee in geneva. we have martin griffith's, the united nations under secretary general for humanitarian affairs and emergency really of coordinator. and in a robbie simila guide,

executive director of the he ran institute, an independent security think tank based in somalia. welcome to the program to start with. ah, mr. griffith. if you pay the visit to somalia, you witnessed the impact of the draft. could you tell us more about the scope and the magnitude of the crisis is when i was in smalley, which was about a few weeks ago as you know, um, there was an announcement by sonic will, a famine reviewed committee. it's a global analytic committee which said in terms that there will be of in specific errors, degree of southwest somalia, within the period of october to december of this year. unless there is an extraordinary you manage her, her effort to prevent it and are it. this is because we've had 4 fail rainy seasons. a 5th is due in the last month of this year and it's due to

fail. and we even say for a sex failing in the early months of next year. so we know that there are about 300000 people at risk in those specific parts of southwest somalia that have been flagged for famine. we also know perhaps that even more appalling statistics is it in the famine it took over courtroom 1000000 lives a decade ago. in somalia, half of those who died died before famine was formerly announced. sir, it's not unreasonable to assume that many deaths are happening even now, possibly out of sight, possibly in areas where security is difficult. so we're in very, very serious straits now. the races on famines looking at the door. and this brings me to ask mr. adam about, what's the government doing?

because there are done as a, as you might have heard from many aid workers in samaria. the biggest concern is that the governments action so far might be too little too late, given the fact that at least half a 1000000 children are at risk of death. oh, thank you very much. a, the, the fact that we have created sudden law actually a revamp the sub month, somebody. and that is a disaster management agency, which is a governmental independent organization that comes to under the sort of interior. and the president of somebody appointed, especially in boy, in his 3rd week or based in office, shows that we were serious about the drought. this at the committee i was part of actually did a bit chair off was created by the former prime minister. so that also happening in

the middle of an electronic crisis when the. ready crisis is taught and we have elections and this government came into place. we move it with the speed and we started a revamping somebody's operation. allow working hand in hand with you and and w, f b, another 8 organizations. and the special invoice also work in actively to solicit resources for the drought he so part basically that's what we are doing in terms of responding to those a crisis causing by causing by colliding with crisis a we didn't play no part in accept accept rate. martin to those who are watching the situation of folding in somalia. that just wondering why is it taking the united nations too long to declare famine in somalia?

why is it is the process itself complicated? is it because of this conservative cautious approach before coming to the point where you say, of facility there is by i'm in, in somebody out. what is it, what, what, what, what does it take to play the i think. yeah, it's very good question. be developed over many, many years. this extremely strict analysis based on 3 indicators, amount, attrition levels, trade in security levels of my total mortality alone. when these indicators greenlight go on is fun. and finally, formally announced the reason why it's important. be careful about this is famine is not as you know like hunger famine is different. am in the bio phenomena which destroys lives on a deed takes away children. first, prince richard aziz. we need to be extremely careful about being clear that this is

not just hunger, not just food security. and the response to family differs also. and what the manager and agencies in somalia with the government without arms, people are doing, trying to ensure that those who need it. i want to come back to that the difficulty of getting to those who need it through to yes. but also get health care and safe water and sanitation because of people who direly in his family are cholera and water born diseases, hunger consumes them, but it's, it's disease, it takes a lot. so you have to treat those suffering from family in a very particular way. that's what the agencies are seeking to do at the moment. but i have no doubt that we are seeing salmon on our watch in somalia. and it is the 1st all i fear more to be announced in the horn of africa.

samira, we are on the brink of, they cut us catastrophic famine in somalia. agencies have been sounding the alarm for quite some time. but we don't get a sense that the international community is really committed to stepping in as soon as possible to try to contain this crisis. yes, unfortunately, not just the international community, even somali local actors. and i really think this is because there's so many competing priorities, especially in the horn of africa. we have conflict in gray, we have the sudan crisis. and then of course, the ukraine war. and because of all of this, and then they is the fatigue that this is constantly happening in somalia, we have the current drought recurrent floods because of this, you get the sense that people are kind of tired of this. and so we don't get the response that we need, but really i think this is the work that we've had in for decades. and it's really time to shift attention to somalia. adam, we can see those somber pictures of tiny,

emaciated patients in different makes shift camps. and one of the concerns in 2011, one of the biggest problems in fact, in 2011 family, was that the most desperate were basically in areas under the control of a ship. and the sub was using that family and to win the, hosted by the people trying to block and deliver to block or burn a deliveries. it was accused by the un for contributing to the crisis. do you have similar concerns this time that in those areas? it could be just too late. he was trying to do is to prevent this worship that you have just to mention that a hot spots that where the man rhetorician is severe, and also to sport, sir a concentrated in by door and would hack a bar. and southwest estate, in general,

and few other places in other federal member states. a. these are where the id bees are concentrated. now i did miss came from villages. there were for farming, religious and, and pastora lists a the id. we are trying to what we are trying to do is to help those 80 piece a to not only leave, but also a restart, their livelihood is back in into the villages. yes, we are worried about it, but we also are confident that if ever about a chip is in and. ready can get all the support we can gardener. we think we can avert a famine and mitigated drought. mar, turn people harter truck to walk for thousands of miles, hundreds of miles to get to the makeshift camps. mass exit is to worst bay though she has become somehow the focal point now of the or, or of the crisis about 800000 people. moving to that vast area, many are seeing that in areas under the control of shabby,

it's difficult for many people or to for to flee. how are you able to assess the situation, particularly those areas under the control over? sure, abdul, we get a sense of clarity about the magnitude of this particular crisis in those areas under the control of chabad. i think it's a very good question because as awful as the scenes that you are thank goodness you are sharing on your, on the screens. what we fear is that nothing in comparison to the scenes that may be playing out right now in those places from which people have walked, in other words, in their places of origin. many of them, as you say, under the control of shavaun, but we estimated only about 10 percent of the places where people are suffering are probably under the control of sherburne. even there, it may be possible with the extraordinary fortitude and courage of somali

frontline responders be able to get to the people there what they need. but what we fear is that the people who turn war are the ones who are amazed be suffering even more. and when we get to them, we will see scenes which will make it even the current or images that we're seeing on our televisions, look pale. and i want to make one additional quick point about international support. i'm from the north. it's people like me with my habits and my responsibility for climate change, which have caused this. nobody in somalia is responsible for this catastrophe. this for failed rainy seasons. this 5th and 6th to come unprecedented as we are said. and yet, somalia, which really produces less than one percent carbon emissions, has yet to receive a penny of climate financing,

which has been promised in the billions as we know. and it is africa as a whole as only receive 4 percent of the private violence. so yes, it's true about the or new grand changing arch and schnells where yes, it's true that war as spike prices as the woman in your introduction. so yes, it's true that donor or juice are stretched. all of this is true. recliner finance was promised for exactly the purpose that we see ready and willing and needing in somalia. samir while we're talking about the the potential for a massive tragedy there. we tend sometimes to forget that plastic plus the fact that you have to deal with farm in you have the outbreak of many diseases. you have pneumonia, you have measles, you have cholera and all this will the come together along with the problems that nation faces. anesha has been battered by decades of war, instability,

and poverty. it just looks like her a scenario for a huge tragedy. yes, it's quite unfortunate. i think the reason why you know this fun in this draws a calm one in the home of africa. you have can responding to it, you have a q responding to it. but the biggest challenge is because of somalia state and the 3 decades long, you know, civil war that has just now we've emerged much from because of oldest factors. then you find our responses are not of they should be because of the territory that's still controlled by also above that we don't have full control over and you find that the population is really, you know, disadvantaged in a really higher risk. and for all the reasons that really we should shift attention to this nation, but doesn't have the capabilities of others do have martin. i do have some concerns here which are basically because it was happening globally, the russian invasion of ukraine, other political and global problems. people tend to forget that just next to what to somalia. we're talking about a huge area which is the horn of africa,

where you have, kenny, i feel you have somalia, you have g, but you west 66000000 people could possibly before the insecure 6 man people, many of them by the way, whose way of life is never gonna come back. we've all spoken to people in these drought areas and they tell us they have lost livestock now more than once and it is not possible for them to resume what has been their way of life for generations . so this is an existential threat, the way they live and it's not astonishing statistic. but somalia has the highest urbanized ation rate in the world. and the reason is, of course, because of exactly what we're talking about, is that people need to walk to get to places to find new library. finding a new livelihood is not quite as important as saving lives, but we need to save lives for the purpose. and in the context of the framework of

giving those families a chance for the future. that's why as i say china finance needs to come urgently. no. i mean it should come months ago we, we managed together with the government to avert a family 4 years ago. as you know, in somalia, we did it because there was enough money up front to prevent the deaths this year. i'm very afraid to say we are not going to repeat that success. i have a follow up question with you mr. massey. if you don't mind, how much money do you need now to be able to say, i can contain the crisis in somalia. when i was in smaller, i said we needed a 1000000000 a $1000000000.00. we've received a $1000000000.00. it seems like and also a lot of money, but these days we need about a $1000000.00 to get us through what i think is going to be another 6 to 9 months over huge, huge tragedy because i think we'll get to more any seasons failed. that's absolute preston, the scenes resort 80 or are going to have again and you know,

what happened in asia, or we had in global movement, solid arch that looked, that spoke arc and the raise money and was once in solid earth people. we not seeing that yet despite was happening in somalia and i think it is because attention elsewhere. we have to raise that consciousness as well. but with a message that if we do get good subject, we can save thousands of thousands of lives. there's no question. we've seen it done. oh, adam, from your experience, the former deputy chair of the national drought response committee. could you tell us about the, the, the challenges that you're facing as we speak? what are the immediate needs that should be there for the people of somalia to be able to overcome this unfolding tragedy? of course, i think people need it 8 on time. an access to,

to 8 in the places that the it was to need are concentrated. i want to also mention something that martin griffin has said about climate fight finance. so melissa, suffering a climate crisis, a, the, they were not part of creating a last 40 years. didn't see a drought like this. and there is, there are 4 consecutive rainy season is that fade or droughts happen a one is every 10 years. now they are happening every other year, if not every year. and that's because of the climate change climate crisis. i think it is fair to say a so my, these are bearing the brunt of the climate change. it is the climate crisis in somalia and whoever is financing or trying to mitigate the climate crisis or a provider fund is to artists adaptation of the climate adversity. i think

they will have to focus on somalia untimely a back to your question about what able need people need access to aid a they need day safety in their places. they need to be able to, to come to the places where there is 8, or they need to access aid where they are before they leave their small villages. and, and carmen comes, that's what they need the most right. now samira, are we talking about the need to rethink the way local communities in the horn? africa should live the future, given the fact that we're talking about prolonged cycles of a drought climate change. and this is something which is likely to become a fate in a way or another i really believe that, you know, we are at that stage, somalia has been consistently facing, you know, recurrent droughts, recurrent flooding, just like the minister just mentioned. we in,

i think between 20142016, the river shovel drive out. i think 4 times we've seen the, you know, the low rainfall in the if you can highlands that provide water to some of the ground water that we received to some malia. and then there is of course, the dumb, dumb activities also reducing the flows to somalia. so this is not going away soon . climate change is affecting how things are happening in somalia. and because of all these reasons, i think we should have fucked focus fast on for my lives institution building. because our response, the reason why this is such a crisis in somalia, not a crisis in other countries or neighbors, is because of all institutions and ability to respond well. so i think the 1st place is working with government assisting government, rebuild its institutions, and then come up with ways with which we can provide labels that are independent of agriculture and all of the things that have currently been happening. matson, we focus our debate on somebody and then we moved to the horn of africa, but you look at the vast stretches all the way from the horn africa,

towards subsaharan, africa, bigger than europe, with a massive population. that same trend, the same pattern, a potential for prolonged drugs and also potential for famine. however, this time, if you go to the you, when you talk to world leaders, i think they seem to be really busy with what's going on in the grain to the point where people are not really in a mood to deliver, to provide assistance. now, what do you think we should be doing to move forward? was it you're right, there's a certain bandwidth of international attention that i've noticed and that we've all witnessed. and there's a limited amount of attention that the international community has. and it's at it as well. and ukraine, of course, is taking the oxygen in a huge way, but what was interesting that in the so called high level week in new york on a week ago, i was really pleased to see that this issue of climate and famine and floods of

coastal parks where i was also recently is beginning to get some traction into getting attention. and this is, i think, also important because this is about injustice. this is about an injustice as i was say, people, somalia have done nothing to create this. they're the ones going to teach a hard lesson to people like me about the consequences of baker, that they are living out. and i think that we should be mobilized international opinion, official, unofficial civil society youth. i should be aware of our obligations to people in the world, not only to people in our neighborhood, it's incredibly important. thank you. and we've seen it work before. i'm absolutely positive. we'll see at work again. we may be a little late for somalia, but as we'll say, there are other parts of africa when ethiopia, god forbid to thank you, famine somali region. let's see. even worse to the,

let's hope lean to nasa committee takes action and brings back hope to the people of somebody. and many people in different parts of the world. martin griffith's, at an hour had say, send me and i got a really appreciate your insight looking forward to talking to you than if in the future. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. got our facebook page. that's facebook dot com. forward slash ha, it's i sorry. you can also join the conversation. was all 100 is at a j, insightfully from montana and the entire team here in doha, by phone. ah, web clouds, me, mountain west struggle gives birth to a true passion where faith is more just where

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