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facing its worst drought in decades. millions of people are in desperate need, but is 8 alone enough and kind of humanitarian disaster be averted. this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program, am hashem abala. after years of unprecedented drought in somalia, a famine is now expected to be declared within weeks. the united nations, as since january last year, more than a 1000000 people have been forced to leave their homes in search of food and assistance is humanitarian chief martha griffith is calling all the international community to deliver aid. immediately. we have a lot to get to with our gas in a moment. first, here's my report on the situation on the ground. it's been

a prolonged drought in somalia. some of its regions haven't seen rain in 2 years. desperate for food, water and grazing for their cattle, thousands of people are fleeing their homes, walking long distances under the scorching sun where hammered madeira year and his family left their coastal city. the 60 year old says he had to walk more than a 1000 kilometers to get to this desolate camp, hoping to get food and shelter, put a little by the national half a dozen 100. if you walked some distance out of here, you will see lots of bonds, but lots of animal bonds piled up on the top of each other. from all the corners, the sight of these wounds will shock you together. not only here but toward the region. samaya is one of the poorest countries in the world battered by decades of violence, war and political instability. this drought could be its worst yet. the

un thies, the crisis could be similar to the 2011 famine, which killed more than a quarter of a 1000000 people. half of them children thousands have died so far. man attrition is killing children every day because those are the people from af 4 days ago and came away later was not even a laugh, a salesman. and that was a bit of cautious when he taking that route as headed, is that it on put on medication. and that's where the at least the because his own can not improvement. the situation is critical. aid workers sometimes take the limited resources from the hungry to treat those who are starving. so molly's blame the russian invasion of ukraine for depleting, international aid, the used to receive every year and for soaring food prices. because we're not always in the house. there were between crane

a russia has worse and destination of oil and wheat. we turn out available. we bring the food out away from my body shoe and the prices have skyrocketed since our land is dry and unproductive. the most desperate live in central and southern parts of somalia. under the control of a chabad. the wine blames the armed crew for contributing to the 2011 famine, by deliberately blocking of burning a deliveries on targeting 8 workers for the time being and until 8 arrives. hundreds of thousands will have to deal on their own with cholera mondor tuition, and starvation hush, barbara al jazeera. ah let, bring in our guests imogen issue adam our her see the somali, minnesota state for the environment and climate change. his also former deputy chair of the national drought response committee in geneva. we have martin griffith's,

the united nations under secretary general for humanitarian affairs and emergency really of coordinator. and in a robbie simila guide, executive director of the herald institute and independent security. think tank based in somalia. welcome to the program to start with. ah, mr. griffith, if you pay the visit to somalia, you witnessed the impact of the draft. could you tell us more about the scope and the magnitude of the crisis is when i was in smalley, which was about a few weeks ago as you know, um, there was an announcement by sonic will, a famine reviewed committee. it's a global analytic committee which said in terms that there will be us in specific areas, degree of southwest somalia, within the period of october to december of this year. unless there is an extraordinary human sharon effort to prevent it and are it this is

because we've had 4 fail rainy seasons. a 5th is due in the last month of this year and it's due to fail. and we even say for a sec failing in the early months of next year. so we know that there are about 300000 people at risk in those specific parts of southwest somalia that have been flagged for famine. we also know perhaps that even more appalling statistics is it in the famine it took over courtroom 1000000 lives a decade ago in somalia. half of those who died died before famine was formerly announced. sir, it's not unreasonable to assume that many deaths are happening even now, possibly out of sight, possibly in areas where security is difficult. so we're in very, very serious straits now. the races on families looking at the door. and this

brings me to ask mr. adam, about what's the government doing because there are done as it, as you might have heard from many aid workers in samaria. the biggest concern is that the governments action so far might be too little too late. given the fact that at least half a 1000000 children are at risk of death. oh, thank you very much. a the, the fact that we have created sudden, la, actually revamp month. so money. and that is a disaster management agency, which is a governmental independent organization that comes to under the sort of interior. and the president of somebody appointed, especially in boy, in his 3rd week or a base in office shows that we were serious about the drought. this at the committee i was part of actually did

a bit chair off was created by the former prime minister. so that also happening in the middle of an electronic crisis when the crisis is top and we have elections and this government came into place. we move it with the speed and we started a revamping somebody's operation. allow working hand in hand with you and and w if the another 8 organizations and the special invoice also work in actively to solicit resources for the drought. so basically that's what we are doing in terms of responding to those a crisis causes by causing by a climb with crisis a we didn't play no part in accept accelerating martin to those who are watching the situation of folding in somalia. they're just wondering why is it

taking the united nations too long to declare famine in somalia? why is it is the process itself complicated? is it because of this conservative cautious approach before coming to the point where you say, officially there is by men in somebody out. what does it what, what, what, what does it take to play the i think yeah, very good question. hadn't been developed over many, many years. it's extremely strict analysis based on 3 indicators, levels, amount, attrition, levels, trade in security levels of my total mortality alone. the when these indicators greenlight go on is fun. and finally, formally announced, the reason why it's important powerful about this is pam and is not as you know, like hunger famine is different. amazon burrows phenomena which destroys

lives on a deed takes away children 1st, respiratory disease. we need to be extremely careful about being clear that this is not just hunger, not just food security. and the response to a family differs also. and what the manager and agencies in somalia with the government without arms, people are doing, trying to ensure that those who need it. i want to come back to that the difficulty getting to those who need it through to yes. but also get health care and safe water and sanitation because the people who die ali and his family are cholera and water born diseases, hunger consumes them. but it's, it's disease, it takes a lot. so you have to treat those suffering from family in a very particular way. that's what the agencies are seeking to do at the moment. but i have no doubt that we are seeing salmon on our watch in somalia. and

it is the 1st, all i fear more to be announced in the horn of africa. samira, we are all the brink of, they cut us catastrophic famine in samaria. agencies have been sounding the alarm for quite some time, but we don't get a sense that the international community is really committed to stepping in as soon as possible to try to contain this crisis. yes, unfortunately, not just the international community, even somali local actors. and i really think this is because there's so many competing priorities, especially in the home of africa. we have conflict in gray, we have the sudan crisis. and then of course, the ukraine war. and because of all of this and then the is the fatigue that this is constantly happening in somalia, we have the current drought recurrent floods because of this, you get the sense that people are kind of tired of this. and so we don't get the response that we need, but really i think this is the work that we've had in for decades. and it's really

time to shift attention to somalia. adam, we can see those somber pictures of tiny, emaciated patience in different makeshift camps. and one of the concerns in 2011, one of the biggest problems in fact, in 2011 family, was that the most desperate were basically in areas under the control of a ship. and the suburb was using that famine to when the hosted by the people trying to block and delivered to block or burn a deliveries. it was accused by the un for contributing to the crisis. do you have similar concerns this time that in those areas it could be just too late. he was trying to do is to prevent this worship that you have just to mention that a hot spots that where the man rhetorician is severe, and also to sport, sir

a concentrated in by door and would hack a bar and southwest estate in general. and to you, other places in other federal member states a, these are where the idly bees are concentrated. now i did miss came from villages. there were for family, religious and, and pastora lists a the id we are trying to. what we are trying to do is to help those 80 piece a to not only leave, but also a restart, their livelihood is back in into the villages. yes, we are worried about it, but we also are confident that if ever about a chip is in and we can get all the support we can gardener, we think we can avert their famine and mitigated throughout mar, turn people hot to trot, to walk for thousands of miles, hundreds of miles to get to the makeshift camps. mass exit is to worst bay though she has become somehow the folk of point now of the or, or of the crisis about 800000 people. moving to that vast area. many are seeing

that in areas under the control of shabby, it's difficult for many people or to for to flee. how are you able to assess the situation, particularly those areas under the control over? sure, abdul, we get a sense of clarity about the magnitude of this particular crisis in those areas under the control of shabbat. i think it's a very good question because as awful as the scenes that you are thank goodness you are showing on your, on the screens. what we fear is that nothing in comparison to the scenes that may be playing out right now in those places from which people have walked, in other words, in their places of origin. many of them, as you say, under the control of chabad, but we estimated only about 10 percent of the places where people are suffering and probably under the control of suburban even there. it may be possible with the

extraordinary fortitude and courage of somali frontline responders be able to get to the people there what they need. the, what we fear is that the people who don't walk other ones are amazed, be suffering even more. and when we get to them, we will see scenes which will make it even the current or images that we're seeing on our televisions, look pale. and i want to make one additional quick point about international support. i'm from the north. it's people like me with my habits and my responsibility for climate change, which have caused this. nobody in somalia is responsible for this catastrophe. this for failed rainy seasons. there's 5th and 6th to come unprecedented as we are said . and yet, somalia, which already produces less than one percent of an emissions,

has yet to receive a penny of climate financing, which has been promised in the billions as we know in the africa o n. a received 4 percent of climate finance. so yes, it's true about the board new. great, and taking our attention as well. yes. it's true that war has spike prices as the women in your introduction said, yes, it's true. dona stretched all of this is true. finance was promised for exactly the purpose that we see ready and willing, needing in somalia samira while we're talking about the, the potential for a massive tragedy that we tend sometimes to forget about class plus the fact that you have to deal with time. and you have the outbreak of many diseases you have pneumonia, you have measles, you have cholera. and all this when they come together along with the problems that

nation faces, nation that has been battered by decades, avoid instability and poverty. it just looks like a scenario for a huge tragedy. yes, it's quite unfortunate. i think the reason why you know this fun in this draw a chrome one in the horn of africa, you have can responding to it. you have a q responding to it, but the biggest challenge is because of samaya state and the 3 decade long, you know, civil war that has just now we've emerged much from because of oldest factors. then you find our responses are not as they should be. because of the territory that's still controlled by also above that we don't have full control over and you find that the population is really, you know, disadvantaged and really higher risk. and for all the reasons that really we should shift attention to this nation, but doesn't have the capabilities of others to have martin, i do have some concerns here which are basically because it was happening globally, the russian invasion of ukraine, other political and global problems. people tend to forget that just next to what

to somalia. we're talking about a huge area which is the horn of africa, where you have kenny, i therapy, i have somalia, you have, she will to west 66000000 people could put possibly before an insecure young, 6000000 people. many of them, by the way, whose way of life is never going to come back? we've all spoken to people in these drought areas and they tell us they have lost livestock now more than once and it is not possible for them to resume what has been their way of life for generations. so this is an existential thread. the way they live and it's not astonishing statistic, but somalia has the highest urbanized ation rate in the world. and the reason is, of course, because of exactly what we're talking about is that people need to walk to get to places to find new lives. finding

a new livelihood is not quite as important as saving lives, but we need to save lives for the purpose and in the context over the framework of giving those families a chance for the future. that's why as i say china finance needs to come urgently. no, i mean it shouldn't come months ago we, we managed together with the government to avert it 4 years ago as you know, in somalia we did it because there was enough money up front to prevent the debts this year. i'm very afraid to say we are not going to repeat that success. i have a follow up question with you, mr. massey. if you don't mind, how much money do you need now to be able to say, i can contain the crisis in somalia. when i was in small, i said we needed a $1000000000.00. we've received a $1000000000.00. it seems like and also a lot of money, but these days we need about a 1000000000 to get us through. what i think is going to be another 6 to 9 months over huge, huge tragedy because i think we'll get to more any seasons failed. that's absolute

preston, the scenes resort. 80 or are going to have again and you know, what happened in ages or we had in global movement, solid arch, or the, the spoke arc and the raise money and was one solid earth people. we not seeing that yet, despite what's happening in somalia. and i think it is because attention, it's elsewhere. we have to raise that consciousness as well. but with a message that if we do get good subject, we can say it thousands and thousands of lives. there's no question. we seen it done. oh, adam, from your experience, the former deputy chair of the national drought response committee, could you tell us about the, the, the challenges that you're facing as we speak? what are the immediate needs that should be there for the people of somalia to be able to overcome this unfolding tragedy?

of course, i think people need it 8 on time. an access to, to 8 in the places that the it was to need are concentrated. i want to also mention something that martin griffin has said about climate fac finance. so, melissa, suffering a climate crisis, a, the, they were not part of creating a last 40 years. they didn't see a drought like this. and there is, there are 4 consecutive rainy season that fade drought happen when every 10 years now they are happening every other year, if not every year. and that's because of the climate change climate crisis. i think it so it is fair to say somebody's are bearing the brunt. the climate change is aligned with prices, somalia, and whoever is financing or trying to mitigate the climate crisis or

a providing funding to the patient of decline with adversity. i think they will have to focus on somalia untimely a but to your question about what people need, people need access to aid a they need their safety in their places. they need to be able to, to come to the places where there is 8, or they need to access a whether they are before they leave their a small villages. and common comes, that's what they need the most right. not submit. are we talking about the need to rethink the way local communities in the home africa should live the future, given the fact that we're talking about prolonged cycles of the drought, climate change. and this is something which is likely to become a fate in a way or another i really believe that, you know, we are at that stage,

somalia has been consistently facing, you know, recurrent droughts, recurrent flooding, just like the minister just mentioned. we in, i think between 20142016, the river shovel drive out. i think 4 times we've seen that you know, the low rainfall in the if you can highlands that provide water to somalia, the ground water that we received to malia. and then there is of course the dumb dumb activities also reducing the flows to samaya. so this is not going away soon. climate change is affecting how things are happening in somalia. and because of all these reasons, i think we should defect focus 1st on for my lives institution building. because our response, the reason why this is such a crisis in somalia, not a crisis in other countries or neighbors, is because of all institutions and ability to respond well. so i think the 1st place is working with government, interesting, governmental rebuild its institutions and then come up with ways with which we can provide labels that are independent of agriculture and all of the things that have currently been happening. martin with focus our debate on somebody and then we

moved to the horn of africa, but you look at the vast stretches all the way from the horn africa towards subsaharan, africa, bigger than europe, with a massive population. that same trend, the same pattern, a potential for prolonged drugs and also potential for famine. however, this time, if you go to the you, when you talk to world leaders, i think they seem to be really busy with what's going on in the grain to the point where people are not really in a mood to deliver, to provide assistance. now, what do you think we should be doing to move forward? well, you're right, there's a certain bandwidth of international attention that i've noticed and that we've all witnessed. and there's a limited amount of attention that the international community has and it's at it. and it's when and ukraine, of course, is taking the oxygen are in a huge way. but what was interesting that in the so called high level week in new

york on a week ago, i was really pleased to see that this is your of climate and famine and floods have caused an ark where i was also recently is beginning to get some traction into getting attention and this is, i think, also important because this is about injustice. this is about an injustice is out of was say, people to somalia have done nothing to create this. there the was going to teach a hard lesson to people like me about the consequences of by that they are living out. and i think that we should be mobilized international opinion, official, unofficial civil society youth. i should be aware of our obligations to people in the world, not only to people in our neighborhood, it's incredibly important. thank you. and we've seen it work before. i'm absolutely positive regency at work again. we may be a little late for somalia, but as we'll say, there are other parts of africa when ethiopia, god forbid,

thank you, famine somali region. let's see. even worse to. let's have linton as a committee takes action and brings back hope to the people of somebody and many people in different parts of the world. martin griffith adam are her say, send me and i got a really appreciate your insight looking forward to talking to you than it in the future. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just yellow dot com for further discussion. got our facebook page . that's facebook dot com. forward slash ha, it's i sorry. you can also join the conversation. was all 100 is at ha enticingly from mama and the entire team here in doha. my phone. ah ah.

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