tv Up Front Al Jazeera October 7, 2022 10:30pm-11:01pm AST
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crisis spirals out of control, a caribbean nation is effectively ground to a halt, thinks gangs blockaded the main fuel terminal 4 weeks ago. they are refusing to leave until prime minister are on re steps down. protests of also blocked road since early september, after the government said it couldn't afford to subsidize fuel. there are major shortages of petrol and food, and also bottled water, which is fueling a color outbreak. now, banks and lebanon, of once again closed their doors. this time indefinitely. it follows a series of hold ups by customers trying to withdraw their own money. banks will continue urgent operations for businesses, but customer facing services will be suspended. banks close for about a week last month, but reopened at the beginning of october to allow people to withdraw their salaries or the u. s. has announced more export controls on chinese tech companies. the 30 tech firms have been added to
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a so called on verified list. the latest additions include china's top maker of memory chips. why m t c? the new measures prevent beijing from accessing advanced us semiconductor technology. ah, just a quick look at the main stories are following the sour. now, king of thailand has visited survivors of thursday's day care center, masked by a former policeman. 37 people were killed, 24 of them children. it was a rare appearance by kane maha, but you're a long corn who traveled to the northeast in long y lumpy province to meet with survivors. it 2 hospitals. attacker was identified as a former police sergeant who took his own life after killing his wife and child at home. a school district in texas has suspended its police force 5 months after gunman killed 900 students and 2 teachers. the police department has been under
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investigation for a slow response to the shooting, rob elementary, in the town of, of all day. how does your castro has more a lead them with few good options because now they're turning to the texas state police to fill in that void to keep their students safe. but that police department is also under investigation for the way that it handled the school shooting back in may. this police force that is run by the school district. there were only 4 officers remaining after the chief was fired in august for his role in responding to the shooting and to others. employees replaced on administrative leave. nobel peace, 5 has been awarded to a jail better russian activists into rights groups from ukraine and russia. being seen as a strong condemnation of the invasion of ukraine and the president of salaries and russia, ukraine center for civil liberties has been documented, russian war cry, documenting washing, war crimes against ukrainian civilians, russian rights group,
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memorial campaigns on human rights abuses and political prisoners and jo, a russian activists, alex b elliot ski his campaign for human rights and civil liberties for nearly 40 years . and you leave his meeting in prague of fail to agree on a price count for gas. european commission president on the line says $41.00 solution to soaring prices could be for members to bid for gas supplies together. but that won't start until spring next year. upfront is coming up next. ah, it is the amazon reaching the point of no return from deforestation and fires to land
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grabs and mining scientists say we may be seeing the end of the planets, largest rain forest, the effect condemning a 1000000 species to extinction and are likely irreversible acceleration of the climate crisis, that conversation is coming up, but 1st weeks after devastating floods displaced millions in pakistan. the country is still struggling with the aftermath. this week the united nations updates humanitarian appeal for the country from $160000000.00 to $816000000.00. this is not the 1st time pakistan has felt the effects of the climate crisis. so what role should the international community play in the wake of such disasters? earlier i sat down with pakistan's minister of state for foreign affairs this week headliner. he knows rabbani car in a romani car. thank you so much for joining me on up front. over 1500 people have died as a result of catastrophic floods in pakistan,
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another 33000000 people have been displaced. at least one 3rd of the country is under water. diseases are spreading rapidly, flood damage is, or it's expected to exceed over $30000000000.00. you're here at the un general assembly. can you talk to me a bit about the scope of the devastation in pakistan? ok, so when you look at numbers which are in tens of millions, we dehumanizing number, the number becomes a number and the humans sort of leave and the numbers is with us, right? so let me define, put it in perspective. this is a population, the size of all of the kingdom of saudi arabia is a population which is larger than all of militia. this is an area which is the same size as the whole of the united kingdom. that's the scale of the disaster. and then on top of that, it's a disaster utilize the been saying it is not of our making, luckily attribute will science now exists to tell us that this is
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a climate change crisis disaster. so the skin is just humongous. and just to be able to grapple with the enormity of what happened and the task ahead is something that didn't make you hopeless, but that's the challenge for me to ship, not to. and for the people who've already shown such great deal of, i don't like the word resilient use the word veneers because it somehow means that, you know, no matter what this did, it's fine, they're living so it's fine. i don't think it should be like that. and it isn't, it should not be like that, but in some ways it is because i don't think we have built enough structures in the world in the global order, in the, in the global architecture for crime, climate change, lead events to be able to grapple diva des crisis is effectively when you think about the global capacity to deal with these issues. as you pointed to some of
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argue the international response has been insufficient. un secretary general antonio gutierrez said, there is a lot of attention on the war and ukraine, but people tend to forget that there is another warmed the war we are waging on nature. and nature is striking back. many of said, look, there's been a powerful response to the war in ukraine. we saw extraordinary responses to the flooding in europe. has it been adequate, the global response to pakistan? look, we're very thankful and grateful and for whatever response we've got. and i think the response has been, i mean i can, i can tell you that countries like, there you are, you, for instance, have an ear bridge. countries like through kia, have assisted a lot, many other countries. jain, of course, continues to assist, or the united states came in with in large numbers in terms of, you know, on the un shy shipping and sort of the you came in europe in countries. i don't really want to leave any country, but pretty much the whole world has come to help, right?
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but as i said now the skill of the crazes is 33000000 people as the number of dense required is in millions. and the number of tents available is in hundreds of thousands at best. so that's the, that's the gap. how do you fill the gap? the world is not prepared to fill that gap and that is, and therefore a, you know, to me, this is literally our in knock from whether you, you know, believe in the law as we do or mother nature who, whatever nomenclature, use. great. this is a weak up god and dime has already run out. but if the do not see this as easy grid warning off things to come within the same season, literally march onwards because dance or forest fires, pakistan saw severe drought conditions. pakistan saw 3 degrees tend to grid higher temperatures are that one of the hot summers that we've ever heard in some areas fired water than was ever even noted. there was glacial melting in the same area
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that we currently have drought, there was heavy. oak currently have floods, there was heavy dough conditions. so if you see at this scale of all of that, you realize that this is, is serious climate change event. on august, the international monetary fund approved an additional $1100000000.00 and bail out funds to pakistan. now, as is often the case with i'm, if laws there are condition the condition is often austerity, in this case, and fatal steady. well, one of our conditions ah, the government under prime minister us chabarise sharif, has eliminated fuel and power subsidies and diesel pump prices have gone up by almost 60 percent. oh, people are struggling with double digit inflation yet in august your prime minister said that pakistan is called economically in sleeved by the iron ma'am. so then why take the money? look and this is how it works, right?
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you need macro economic stability for the country to have a chance in order to have macroeconomic stability. you need a fun program to be able to enable under funding sources to come. this is how the financial bill will architecture works. you know this better than i can explain to you. now when we have the floods in pakistan and floods of the biblical proportion . ok. so this is an extraordinary event, not on the pakistan skin. this is an extraordinary event on a global scale. this is in the rent which was thought to good by irresponsible behavior of pakistan. this was an event which was triggered by response, civil behavior for decades, odds of industrialization, but did not happen to have in my control on the poor. 33000000 people or night spirit, on the receiving end of it. having said that, would you expect these $323000000.00 people to do, to have 1st down into floods? now down into conditionality is an extraordinary event. like this requires extraordinary response. my fear is having seen how the structures work that we will
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come in crunch of ordinary responses. and my fear is that the people who have drowned in this floods the cancer bit less for them. right? and where is now you could avoid to problem by rebuilding resiliency in an adaptable, mad with adaptation as it score and give hope. but our concern is that when it comes to the hard phase of the building, resilient years, we want to, when the numbers are to the tune of $30000000000.00, just the replacement cost, not the rebuilding cost, perhaps here then how far, how, how shot would be fall, and if we fall short, what would be the cost of that? it will not only be to plug a sign, it will be to everyone i did indeed. so. so there's the question of what we do if we don't receive funds, right? that's a question that you've addressed, but there's also a question of what happens when you receive funds and you can end up in a very familiar cycle, which is that you receive, i am a funding, you get conditional as assistance and you end up trapped in a kind of cycle of,
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of receiving this stuff, but not necessarily improving, not necessarily developing because of all the commitment you've made in order to receive the conditional funding. actually i'm, i'm not so fond of the commitments if he, me, for other people sick. i'm fond of commitments at the stake that he me for up on people's sake. i think this whole a cycle of trying to appease other people's commitments rather than commitments to young people is a bad cycle. and this is the real world doing their architecture works right. so there be all these been just analogies attached by different headquarters want to now creator project, which will, which will appease their conscience more than the realities on the ground in some ways. and by the time it hits the ground in pakistan, it's perhaps not really according to the requirements of the people of focus on. right. it's a typical sake of we need to come up with a model at, in, in, in the project days, mod, which is not only sellable, but it is something which builds in adaptability resilience,
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but is also fully in tune in line with the demands and needs of the people and not only catering to the needs of, you know, what we may consider the funding may be coming from, right. would you make of the argument, the mega project such as dams have actually worsened natural disasters? d worry that pakistan's card investments and mega projects versus the climate climate resilient local infrastructure approach is putting people at major. okay, that's interesting approach rate because about 10 years from today or 12 years from today, because i wanted to start tacos projects with goldman finance fund funding and financing. and we were told or we do not do cool anymore right now. so it was fine for all the developers to have done called but when it focused on wanting to exploit its own natural resources, you know, to be able to provide elect, you know, energy. and we were unable to do that with funding from the world bank. i believe that into what you have to look at is cumulative, responsibility, cumulative emissions. so if i'm in the matter 20 years back and i have emitted at
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will. and now i'm going to not be the price for it, but have developing countries with law. you know, capacity and low resources to pay the entire price of my emission. so i, you know, confused like you said that you guys are the conflict happens and people have started their code plans again. so we are not allowed, and they are allowed. so there's an element of unfairness in all of this. back in 2010 of floods killed early, 2000 people. i think they parked on been here before 11000000 people were displaced then as well. and yet, amid us, so as the climate and water expert on pakistan said that in 2022 quote, there's just nothing in pakistan in terms of disaster resilient infrastructure and that people were literally left to fend for themselves. now your party was in power for 3 years after the 2010 floods that critique applies to your
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party. no, no, i would like to really be able to ask her the same questions that would be required to be asked that will do called resilience and with and readiness. so for country experiences, if new york city today babysitting manhattan, the heart of the word of the developer right was to were to get for it is each 100 percent maureen than it typically does. intern joan? right. the typical couch materials which receive one from fund of rain and flooding in the sun did not receive the toy. there was still a dope conditions. so we're still looking at it from a, from a, from a month from. that's where this is a climate. is there anything that could've been done or are they any infrastructure perspective? from an infrastructure perspective, much more can be done? absolutely. well, what could have been done? so then let me tell you very clearly what could have been done and what will be done as a building trailer. so did the thing to notice is that the typical areas which receive one soon did not receive the same amount of rain for the typically. so this
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happened in an e, typically d n, a non typical area. now despite having said that, what we need to do is that wherever we build back, we have channels to make sure that the flow of water can be management better than it. good. and we build back infrastructure in the we, for instance, some of the schools withstood rate that you build back in the way that they can survive, said severity of water. and, and the fust bro do must be to ensure that the water can be channeled better. but please understand the enormity of the challenger time, 33000000 people. i will, i will share this with you. a lot of people came on the tv screens and then you go to them and said we received nothing and did not like they actually did not receive anything. how can you feed 33000000 people all at the same time when we went to the whole world and the horrible came out, opened their hearts opened this story. just give us whatever dense they had. you know how many tents we received less than the 1000000. you know, how many people were dismissed? 33000000. so i think the globe, the global order,
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is ill prepared to be able to deal with what is coming are we, i am not good business until this partner summit is facing an economic crisis. and yet, it was announced in june that the country would be increasing its defense budget by 11 percent, or at the same time, it reduced the allocation for its public sector development program by 19 percent. why the government chosen to increase military spinning rather than allocating those funds for the necessary infrastructure to protect people from the harm? mccracken? sure, i could not say that that's rude, that you want to go at all. i think the trend had been in focus on different regions, military spending was actually decreasing now, hero. and so when it comes to real terms, i think the increase would be very, very minimal. just to keep up with existing infrastructure. and that's why it's really important. and therefore i was in the session which was on humanitarian assistance and they kept on talking about how the my doing the system needs are
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increasing. and i said that from one side we are feeding the bees to creating humanitarian systems requirements. more because conflict is increasing economics, television is increasing. climate change to good events or increasing reading nothing to deal with the crisis with the, with the reason with the this is for the crisis, whether it's climate change or economic starvation for crisis has been triggered by all conflict in our region. conflicted, right? not being too good in some ways, but climate change would be still the biggest threat to national security at this point. right? mean, it suddenly is right in 2015, the us conducted a drill, simulating an earthquake in the indian ocean. and it was found that the soon as the waves from an earthquake could reach karachi in one and a half hours in the entire city. again, we're good to have large military if karachi, the economic backbone and main city water, you know, to be honest, the things have changed in our region, right? i mean, since 971, we really did not have an active conflict. if you don't take
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a few minor conflicts, take them away. but on to years, back off we had from a neighbor military jets into pakistan, years this proclaimed focus on the air space into our territory and into a territory. and then back and neutral on it was proven that the claims that the made of a, you know, going after terrorists outfits, et cetera. none existed. only cheese existed over there. right now when something like this happens, i cannot make the case with that. you don't need mimicry spending anymore. i need we need to have jets, which are in a position to be able to fight back. so when you have confrontations, leg that you are in need, you are ensuring that our i wish i owed our desire to be able to swore will be completely from that type of spending and going to serious, you know, adaptability of, forget it up to,
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belittle i mean adaptability is the major part of what we need to do, but this also we're still struggling with proper education infrastructure, proper health infrastructure, proper route and farm to market roads. proper economic infrastructure rates when the country like this, which has many, many places to spend its reason is forced to re look at, you know, military spending again. and if you'd notice, i mean all over the world military spending is currently being celebrated, isn't it? rep and critique. i honestly hed critique all over. right. i mean we're, i know, mark, i think it was a dime and it was being critiqued. but right now, if you look at that, you know, i think trump also started talking about what the central g d p. are you spending on military and now everybody celebrating? yes, we are increasing military spending and those countries which were not carrying large armies and now carrying are strong intention to so we are actually feeding the b straight now. and this is a dime when really, i think there will be more or less for us to conduct wars. and then i think the
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secretary said something to this extent in this. and i have to say that i understand that the, the un may not be the most celebrated body right now, but to have deep respect, deep abiding requests for, into new gators, for at least seeing the red stuff rate alpha calling out where we are falling miserably miserably behind then what leadership requires right now in terms of of fighting for the s d, g 's fight fighting for rear rear climate change. not only adaptability financing, but looking at the whole architecture and seeing that why should we not be ahead of the go by bank by behind the cub hiena romani car. thank you so much for joining us at the front. yeah. ah. is the amazon at a tipping point in brazil under president jeered boston auto. deforestation has intensified significantly specifically in indigenous areas increasing by more than
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138 percent during his 1st 3 years in office. in recent years, we've also seen a traumatic uptake in mining agribusiness and land grabs while indigenous rights have been undermined. but deforestation, and its impact on communities is more than a moral quandary. what happens in the amazon doesn't occur in a vacuum. it affects all of us, and it is affecting us now. so the question is, are we headed down a path of no return? joining us to discuss this from keith though ecuador is elisia guzman. she is deputy director of the amazon program at stan, that earth. she's also one of the lead researches on the report amazonia, against the clock. and from sao paulo brazil were joined by tasso acevedo, technical coordinator for oversight of authorial de lima and former director general of the brazilian fart service. thank you both for joining me on up front elisia. i'm going to start with you. according to the data presented in the amazonia report, from 985 until 2020, 26 percent of the amazon has undergone transformation. most of it categorize as
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irreversible transformation while conservation measure to have stymied some of the environmental destruction over the years. there's still a continuing pattern of loss that we're witnessing. if this trend goes on, what does it mean for the planetary health? ah, in practical terms, there's a lot of the articles in studies about that taking planning, the m s and e i n is still many authors think that we're not there yet, however, that different data has been released lately. shows that we are in the midst of the tipping point, so it's not a teacher scenario that it's a reality. alicia, let me, let me part of that because that word tipping point comes up a lot. and when we say tipping point, we mean that point after which the rain for us will be completely lost, but the timeline for reaching that point is a question mark for many. for me it's still kind of great what we mean by
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a tipping point. and how close we actually are, i hear different numbers. can you break down what tipping point is, what it means that you know, playing is playing where there's a breakdown. it said it's where the forest can nod ah, re generate on its own. so it strikes a process of die back and we cannot put a date like on to state these area will disappear. but you can see that there's a transformation of viagra system due to the lack of reg, j o of its own regeneration test. so people been raising alarms about the destruction of the amazon for decades. now, what, what are the lived impacts now and also moving forward of losing more of the amazon? well, that there, you know, different scales, right? so you can think about the planet as a whole. if we lose the amazon, if you take the amazon of the equation, the temperature,
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the global temperature could rise by 0.25 degrees. does means that we probably can't achieve the, the buyer's agreement in terms of, you know, climate change. so for example, if you take, if you take it the amazon off the equation, we lose 30 percent off the rainfall in the country. so we can see that those impacts starting to happen and right now. so it seems that deforestation is largely the consequence of economic drivers. if we look at brazil just as an example, the countries national debt is about 78 percent of the g, d p. up, some argue that mining oil extraction and stuff like that in the amazon is needed in order to bolster and emerging market. but what do you say to politicians were pushing these solutions as the response, as a wave easing the states economic woes? i mean, we can use the real data from the past to show that this, you know,
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there is no connection with when one thing in the other necessarily. so if you see like between 20042012 in brazil, the deforestation of the amazon dropped down 80 percent, 80 percent. and that was the last period of economic growth in brazil. so we were growing 4 to 5 percent a year in terms of g d p, for example, the debit was coming down. the exports are including from agriculture products and mining products exploded. so what i think is that when you have a cease deforestation in brazil, 98 percent of the deforestation have elements of illegality before stations link a lot with lack of governance. so if you have a good governance in the country, you will have deforestation coming down and good governance is absolutely important to have a, a health economy. so i think that's decreasing. deforestation is a drive for a better economy and not the opposite. early say your report lays out solutions for
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preserving 80 percent of the amazon by 2025. and it points toward forgiving existing debt in exchange for protections of indigenous territories and, and, and of course, priority areas as well. why do you see debt forgiveness as opposed to other policies? is such a key move for preventing further deforestation? it is not either or we have to start thinking of systemic solutions. many of the supply chains, oil letter, and others that are that fuel destruction. in the amazon, e r r i come from industrialized nations. so for example, 89 percent of the oil in the amazon is producing ecuador, and most of it goes to the us. and they're european banks in both us back in both. there's us banks involvement. and there are many oil companies and intern
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mediators that work in the, in the supply chain. so talking about that forgiveness, it's a good way to involve multilaterals bilateral debt and also the private bonds just to acquire more consciousness of from the linkage between the global north and the global south. and how we all are responsible of what's happening. well, this is an issue on absolute critical concern. i thank you both for joining me to weigh in on it. so lucy, thank you so much for joining me. all right, that is our show up for will be back next week. ah ah.
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