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what's behind north? korea's latest miss. i'll tell you on the i have 6 rockets and 2 weeks including one that flew over japan. message is north korea ascending and how should the international community respond? this is inside story with hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. north korea has dramatically increased the number of it's missile tests that's conducted 6 in just 12 days, including the 1st intermediate range ballistic missile test in 5 years. it landed in the sea of japan on tuesday. i know
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that large prompted japanese government to warn people to seek shelter. the us, japanese and south korean military is responded with live fire drills a day later. the pentagon reposition to that cropped car. busy off the korean peninsula, jonya and reacted by launching 2 more missiles on thursday and sending fighter jets nearest border with south korea in a phone cool japanese unsolved cream leaders condemns the military escalation. the pentagon says the latest task pose a serious threat to the region. stability, clearly, north korea is testing its missile program. it's looking to adapt. and the issue here though is that these actions are provocative. they're dangerous and as you well know, north korea has not committed to any type of constructive or strategic dialogue on these issues. oh, the un security council, the u. s. acute china and russia of enabling north korea's leader kim jong and by
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blocking further sanctions. but paging said it is washington the provoking pyongyang is on some resumes on the nuclear issue. the u. s. is playing by a double standard, it is engaged in political maneuvering, poisoning the security environmental's. against this backdrop, the height and tension on the peninsula shall not come as a surprise. will miss artists of increased fears that north korea will soon conduct another nuclear test. u. s. based center for strategic and international studies released these satellite images of the pony re test site. from late september. analysts say they show work on a tunnel which could be part of an expansion of testing capabilities. new and his tracking north grades, ballistic missile tests and says it has carried out around 40 this years, a record number. in the past 40 years, pyongyang has conducted more than 200 missile launches. and 6 nuclear tests. and
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more than half of those have been since kim jong and came to power. ah, let's bring in our guests now to discuss this further and in. so we have a young fellow at the athens institute for policy studies in tokyo, alister morgan, a professor at the university of tokyo and a former push ambassador to north korea. and in washington, d. c. mark fitzpatrick, a fellow at the international institute for strategic studies. and a former deputy us assistant secretary of state of a one. welcome to all of you. let's start by looking at the timing of these tests. ok, young. why are we seeing this barrage of missile tests now? yeah, we have to see the context or as you see, the last september nose korea announce is nuclear force horace act. and though the law is closed,
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so you are going to see nuclear daughtry. the kingdom has been claiming since the april military gray you and it is intended to signal u. s. l. south korea. and they'll do group horses on horses are now operational and by shooting all these miss are they say then i mean they are ready. alyssa, how concerning is it for japan that this intermediate range ballistic missile flu? first of all, over its land. second of all, it was unannounced. well, i think for everybody and obligation to a nurse launches which the cpr always ignore was in
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terms of japan. clearly, it gave rise to notices to, to citizens in northern japan and some places are, was clearly the most are went beyond the range of massage was probably intended to demonstrate a capability to reach a member of your career is well aware that systems in north korea that can strike japan the new care posture that the north korean, so that makes it clear that if a new positive associated with a new can in any action against the b r k, then they can become targets as well. so of course it's a reason for particular concern for absolutely, and how much of it concern mark is it for the us? is this kim jong testing by them?
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well, the united states is certainly concerned with the growing modernization and expansion of north korea's nuclear program. nuclear weapon surely could hit in the could surely put fit in the nose cone of the missile that was just launched. and the fact that this, the trajectory of the missile launch was more normal than the, than the previous test that went up and then then down north korea is refining its ability to hit spaces. and the united states is firm in its defense of japan and south korea. but aware that north korea is trying to say that if there is a conflict on the korean peninsula that north korea would try to war in the us off by saying that it could hit any us cities or bases if united states were to be
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engaged in such a conflict, i don't think united states will be, will be deterred by that, but it is certainly an escalation as well. no, saying this is not the longest range missile, but no threat hasn't. it's off? no, no, they've entered intercontinental ballistic missiles. they successfully tested in 2017 and i expect that we will see another such test of an icbm in the coming months. is that the feeling of young and south korea just give us an idea of what the policy that is from the current government towards the north does assessment and government is trying to, you know, the to the north korean pro location. and i mean, while it, we are, we are trying to, you know, do much more, you know, a lesson stance well. or for example, yesterday,
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north korea and brown exercise is you know, a vital and bomber plane. and our air force launched like, sorry, vitals to intercept any threat and just trying to get an idea of what that what uni, so q o feels towards what is his policy towards the north. because of course, his predecessor attempted engagement and that didn't get very far. so what is this current government's approach? yeah, well, i mean, we are, we are trying to do, you know, was a toe. and, you know, deal with a, you know, any of those things like these. i mean, the, why don't you clearly said the nurse putting out was to, you know, told to us and we will, you know, provide any help no need. i mean,
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the present, you know, 40 or beiges initial p low, which include a lot of well, any, only if, you know, coming to the, there was a sham. but i mean, when doors put a try to this kind of cation sounds pretty, we're bone. we us and also as you see what is really different from the previous government, the step one is now working. also with japan, you as always have example to be a try to corp was our government has its own, you know, a problem. but parents, you, if i mean, i mean if you did this, you know, egypt is there allister enough international cooperation on this. i me
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remember back to the times of the 6 policy tools on team you can arise ation, where there was a united from dealing with north korea and now it appears to be so fractions. how much coordination is there and what more is needed? what i would just like to the point that was made of our cooperation between japan and the republic career. and i think that is important. and in terms of deterrence of no career clearly front of the lining, the what's called the nature of the u. s. alliance with japan, with the republic of korea is important looking at the wider international community, the being does an obligation or every member states to implement the united nations security council functions as there has been much action by many member states. but
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this is very obvious at the moment, there is polarized a sheet on the security council. and there is not the unanimity that the was in, for instance, decision making on introducing further sanctions in the security council in terms of what is needed are clearly and effective security council is vital for this issue. and for many issues in international peace and security. and it's a major concern that the, the unity is not, that i don't believe that any actual further coalition. oh, it's a national member face is going to deter north korea from its determination to maintain its ballistic missile programs and it's new care programs. but
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nevertheless, the coordination is still required to ensure that the deterrent effect is that and this sanctions bite and the, the message you said not just to north korea but to other countries as well. why is that? i would say if, if, if the, if there was unity on further sanctions, but it didn't make any difference. what would be the point? i didn't say it wouldn't make any difference. i just didn't think it would change the determination of the dpr k to maintain its its programs. i think that in the long run maintaining sanctions and actually enforcing more effectively to current sanctions. and indeed, sure the security council designed by new factions does increase the pressure on the dpr, k, the dpr k in mind. you cannot achieve any real meaningful economic growth
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under the factions, even though actually it has in effect, sanctioned itself with it. it kind of did mention that in the long run does have an impact and actually creates a pressure that it can then be used for diplomacy. but at the moment of mark said, there is no indication that the d p. k is ready to respond to the or the to the diplomacy. i also say that the sanctions actually can delay the that the continued roll out the program. even though it's very clear that the dpr k has reached a high level of development and has high levels of indigenous capacity. i think we see in the past suddenly month that sanctions only really work when china is fully on board. because of course, they supply an awful lot of fuel and food to the d p r k. to what
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extent is the u. s. coordinating or able to coordinate with china on this front was not able to coordinate at all. china and russia had refused, new un sanctions refused earlier this year, and china has really relaxed its implementation of existing sanctions. so given all the areas in which the united states and china are at odds, china is in no mood to cooperate with united states on with regard to north korea. so i don't, i don't think we can really expect too much there. if i may, you know, say if we're looking at other tools in the tool box, there's one i think that might actually be effective immediately. but that is, you know, we talk about sending messages. let's send an actual message to north korea in the
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past several years ago. so 3 was very effective when it turned down he turned on huge loud speakers along the border of the dmc and broadcast 10 kilometers in the north korea. messages about the, you know, the correction of the regime interface with acute and okay, pop songs to girls and so forth. my understanding of talking with the north korean defector once is this had a real impact in north korea. and if it's one way that we can do something that's not at all lethal, but could, you know, make the other side listen physically and metaphorically. absolutely. well they could hardly not listen. so good. they are you okay, what do you think of that idea? is it a viable one? is it something that the south korean government that is that free entertainment you know what i actually, i view that you know, let the, those good low. uh,
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we'll see. creation is really important. but i mean, while i'm that i don't think that the, the, the broadcast b, m these, you know, i mean, well, as we, as you see in the premium we're, i mean the, the loaner service can impact, you know, or can. so what i think that, i mean, if we provide the pre internet and, you know, i like the ways that they can connect to. maybe i mean that we're putting down this, you know, the tape to learn as to how, what is the state of life for people inside at north korea. and yet it came down the need to clear success over cove it 2 months ago. do we know how much we know about the economic situation and the social situation for people there now? well, much as we would like to know, i talked with terry 2018 and the british embassy,
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like many of the european embassies all over europe. and many overemphasis closed in, in 2022 times to reopen again. so the sort of information that was coming out from north korea, through the observations of different countries into the observations of un and other aged work in the country has dried up some and the foods remain. i mean, it seems very likely that the situation is poor. they, there are no numbers of death really from kind of 19, of course in suffering death. 90 career is by no means a probably the level of food proficiency
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is very, very low. and you can only activity is well at the moment, but whether this is at the level of severity that we've seen in the 2nd half of the 1990 s, which of course, the regime managed to survive is not clear. i hope it isn't. and i think it probably is, but the, the situation is good. in terms of information access, there is less access to information. now, there was a few years ago because of the closed border between the dpi, okay, and china, and the rest of the world as the how much then is this of these tests a message to the domestic audience or indeed distraction for the domestic audience from the living situations but if you have to do so, i do believe that the, the program a launch is but if you can start development and nuclear weapons development
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is essentially a military program program. clearly times there are announcements of individual tests which are used for internal propaganda. i think the history of the image of the next to me is important for the regime in its management of the people. but i don't think that the latest test, the test in the last 2 weeks are primarily aimed at distracting the people with the intention of the leadership. i think they really don't want to. i mean information about them in their own media propaganda. so they've been remarkably silent about market the last time we saw this, many missile tests was in 2017. then of course we had a nuclear test at the end,
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towards the end of that year. lot of talk about another 7 nuclear test. what's your theory on that and when it might happen, because there are, of course, some key global dates coming up. we've got china's communist party congress. we've got the u. s. midterm elections. you've got no quiz. work is policy on a vestry. do you have any theories as to when, if this might happen, where i and i don't have any series that are better than the theories being discussed in south korea, where there's a view that a test during the upcoming workers party congress is the most likely timeframe so i think that maybe the middle of october, or in the weeks there after i've been expecting another nuclear test for some time . and the indications are that the site has been prepared for it to you know, i think when it's imminent we will get more information. we have very good
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satellite coverage of that site and some very good analysts to can look at it and tell us what's happening. i haven't seen that yet, but expect we will. i think before the end of the year we're, we're going to get a new test. we're probably going to get an icbm test and things are going to just get more and more attempts. and again, is there a plan south korean response to this one hour counsel, i mean, and they are trying to figure out if there's any, you know, citing the nuclear paths and i mean they have last the plan. i mean, so the reason and the promise policy, i mean to deal with the situation after the warrior has done this town. i mean, well actually they, our government position is, is that, i mean, we, we were, you know,
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do every, you know, possible measure, you know, after north korea, the, the us, you know, look at nuclear past them and we will stand bone and working with us. and as japan as what would that look like, allison, what would that response be? i'm not sure what the what the particular measures would be. and i think you can look at measures that can be taken in, in response to the, the ballistic missile program increased emphasis on cooperation looking again at the deterrent c detection and determine tools are, i'm sure that the,
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the united states from united kingdom and i don't have the security council of the brochure in china will work hard to get a new resolution and security council. if there is a nuclear test, i would hope that they would succeed, but it's hard to be optimistic at the moment. i mean, clearly member states can take autonomous measures in relation to sanctions. and if the un security council level is paralyzed, then they may well do so. and is scope, of course, for secondary sanctions against china. should member decide that that is cool for just a month. last thought for me in the last 30 seconds we have what is north korea want to more less they want protection against what they view as
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a potential attack on their country. they're wrong about that. they're wrong about who started the korean war, but they want to defend themselves, and they also want to be treated to see themselves as an equal the united states. they loved it when president donald trump book with their president. and he was a failed opportunity that that leadership summit didn't result in any deals. we could have had something and both sides asked for too much. okay, fantastic. thank you very much. all of you for joining us. ok. young alice morgan and mark patrick and thank you too for watching you can see the program again at any time by visiting a website this al jazeera dot com for further discussion. do go to facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story is not doing the conversation on twitter. we're at a j inside story from me laura kyle, i'm the whole team here by the
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