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reaction from moscow. first, it's seen as an actor war, that those are the words of the, of the speaker of the state. duma, he said this terrorist talk is an act of war or russia. president vladimir putin ordered a, an investigative committee to be set up to see into the causes and responsibilities behind this attack. so here, russia, they, that there is no doubt that it is at least act and that it is an act of war, at least to palestinians. have been killed on 11 others injured by is really forces in the occupied westbank. they were targeted during and is really rate and the janine refugee camp sources say one of the changes the brother of a member of the islamic jihad group. me, deborah, hey ms. rama la with more on the is really raised in jeanine. we know that jeanine has been the average sensor of tension. we're talking about more than $114.00

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fione i have lost 6 rockets in 2 weeks, including one that flew over japan. message is north korea sending and how should the international community respond? this is inside story. ah. hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. north korea has dramatically increase the number of it's missile tests that's conducted 6 in just 12 days, including the 1st intermediate range ballistic missile test in 5 years. it landed in the sea of japan on tuesday. i know that lot prompted japanese government to warn people to seek shelter. the u. s. japanese and south korean military's responded with live fire drills a day later. and the pentagon,

reposition to the aircraft carrier of the korean peninsula. john young reacted by launching 2 more missiles on thursday and sending fighter jets nearest border with south korea. in a phone call, the japanese and south korean leaders condemns the military escalation. the pentagon says the latest tests posed a serious threat to the region. stability thoroughly a noise clear is testing its missile program. ah, it's looking to adapt. and the issue here though is that these actions are provocative. they're dangerous. and as you all know, north korea has not committed to any type of constructive or strategic dialogue on these issues. i'll at the un security council, the u. s. accused china and russia of enabling north korea's leader kim jong. earn my blocking further sanctions, but be jane fed. it is washington, that provoking pyongyang is on the phone with you on the nuclear issue. the us is

playing by a double standard, is engaged in political maneuvering poisoning the security environmental's. against this backdrop, the height and tension on the peninsula shall not come as a surprise. you will miss artists of increased fears that north korea will soon conduct another nuclear test. new as base center for strategic and international studies released these satellite images of the pony re test site. from late september, analysts say they show work on a tunnel which could be part of an expansion of testing capabilities. new and his tracking north grades, ballistic missile tests and says it has carried out around 40 this years, a record number. in the past 40 years, pyongyang has conducted more than 200 miss our launches and 6 nuclear tests. and more than half of those have been since kim jong and came to power. ah,

let's bring in our guests now discuss this further and in. so we have a king, a fellow at the athens institute for policy studies and take you allison morgan, a professor at the university of tokyo and a former push ambassador to north korea. and in washington, d. c. mark fitzpatrick, a fellow at the international institute for strategic studies, and a former deputy us assistant secretary of state, if i will welcome to all of you. but let's start by looking at the timing of these tests. ok, young, why are we seeing this barrage of missile tests now? yeah, we have to see the context. well, as you see here, you last september, north korea announce is on nuclear force horace act and the law is closed. so you, in august, if you could have daughtry, the kingdom has been claiming since the april military gray,

you know, it is intended to c r u s l, south korea. and they'll do group horses on horses are now over asian. and by shooting all these miss are they say then i mean they are ready. allister, how concerning is it for japan that this intermediate range ballistic missile flu 1st of all, over its lamp. second of all, it was unannounced. what i think is for everybody, not negation launches, which the cpr always ignore was in terms of japan. clearly it gave rise to noted to, to citizens in northern japan. and some places are,

was clearly the most are went beyond the ranges and this was probably intended to demonstrate a capability to reach a member of your career is well aware that systems in north korea that can strike japan as the new care posture. the north korean, so that makes it clear that if non nuclear pas are associated with a new camera in any action against the b r k, then they can become targets as well. so of course, it's a reason for particular concern for absolutely. and how much of a concern mark is it for the us? is this kim jong and testing by them? well, the united states is certainly concerned with the growing modernization and expansion

of north korea's nuclear program. nuclear weapon surely could hit in the could surely could fit in the nose cone of the missile that was just launched. and the fact that this, the trajectory of the missile launch was more normal than the, than the previous test that went up and then then down, north korea is refining its ability to hit us spaces. and the united states is firm in its defense of japan and south korea. but aware that north korea is trying to say that if there is a conflict on the korean peninsula that north korea would try to war in the us off by saying that it could hit any us cities or basis if united states were to be engaged in such a conflict, i don't think united states will be the will be deterred by that, but it is certainly an escalation as what, noting this is not the longest range missile, but no threat hasn't. it's all, no,

no, they've got to enter intercontinental ballistic missiles. they successfully tested in 2017 and i expect that we will see another such test of an icbm in the coming months. is that the feeling of young and south korea just give us an idea of what the policy is from the current government towards the north government is trying to deter the north korean pro cation and i mean, while we are trying to do much more, you know, other 610 or for example, yesterday no school. yeah. and ground exercise is you know,

vital and bama plane and our air force lunch. slowly bipolar to you know abby: no threat. i just trying to get an idea of what the, what units y'all feels towards what is his policy towards the north because of course his previous ether attempted engagements and that didn't get very far. so what is this current government's approach? yeah, well i mean, we are, we are trying to do, you know, was a toe and you know, you with a, you know, any of those things like this. i mean, the why don't you clearly said that, you know, putting out was to, you know, talk to us and we will provide any help most player needs. i mean, the present, you know, part of the, or they just initial p. lo,

which include a lot of, well, any, only, most put a, you know, coming to the, they wish asian. but i mean, when doors would have tried to these kinds of publication as i was putting were bone we us and also as you see what is really different from the previous government, the step, what is now working also with japan, you as always have example to be tried as corporation was putting on government has its own, you know, a problem, but parents you, if i mean, i mean if you did this, you know, egypt is there allister enough international cooperation on this? i mean, remember back to the times of the 6 policy tools on the new car is ation. where there was a united from dealing with north korea and now it appears to be so fractions. how

much coordination is there and what more is needed? what i would just like to the point was made of our corporation between japan and the republican career. and i think that is important. and in terms, is it terrance of north korea? clearly underlining the what's called the nature of the u. s. alliance with japan, with the republic of korea is important looking at the wider international community, the being, there's an obligation or every member states to implement the united nations security council functions as there has been much action by many member states. but this is very obvious at the moment, there is polarized a sheet on the security council,

and that there is not the unanimity that the was in, for instance, decision making on introducing further sanctions in the security council in terms of what is needed are clearly and effective security council is vital for this issue and for many issues in international peace and security. and it's a major concern that the, the unity is not, that i don't believe that any actual further coalition international member face is going to deter north korea from its determination to maintain its ballistic missile programs and its new care programs. but nevertheless, the coordination is still required to ensure that the deterrent effect is that and that sanctions bite and the,

the message is said not just to north korea but to other countries as well. but why is that? i would say if, if, if the, if there was unity on further sanctions, but it didn't make any difference. what would be the point? i didn't say it wouldn't make any difference. i didn't think it would change the determination of the dpr k to maintain its its programs. i think that in the long run, maintaining sanctions actually enforcing more effectively the current sanctions. and indeed, should the security council divided by new factions? does increase the pressure on the dpr, k, the dpr k in mind. you cannot achieve any real meaningful economic growth under the sanctions. even though actually it has in effect sanctioned itself with its coded kind of big measure that's in the long run. does have an impact and

actually creates a pressure that it can then be used for diplomacy. but at the moment of mark said, there is no indication that the d p. k is ready to respond to the or the to the diplomacy. i also say that the sanction is actually can delay the that the continued roll out of the program, even though it's very clear that the dpr k has reached a high level of development and has high levels of indigenous capacity. i think we see in the past suddenly month that sanctions only really work when china is fully on board because of course they supply an awful lot of fuel and food to the d p r k . to what extent is the u. s. coordinating or able to coordinate with china on this front was not able to coordinate at all. china and russia

had refused. new un sanctions reviewed earlier this year. and china has really relaxed its implementation of existing sanctions. so given all the areas in which the united states and china are at odds, china is in no mood to cooperate with united states on with regard to north korea. so i don't, i don't think we can really expect much there. if i may say, if we're looking at other tools in the tool box, there's one i think that might actually be effective immediately. but that is, you know, we talk about sending messages. let's send an actual message to north korea in the past several years ago. so ria was very effective when it turned down he turned on a huge loudspeakers along the border of the d. m. z and broadcast

10 kilometers in the north korea messages about the you know, the correction of the regime interface with a q l k. pop songs to girls and so forth. my understanding of talking with the north korean defector was, this had a real impact in north korea. and if it's one way that we can do something that's not at all lethal, but could, you know, make the other side listen physically and metaphorically. absolutely. well they could hardly not listen so good. they okay, what do you think of that idea? is it a viable one? is it something that the south korean government that is that free entertainment you know what i actually, i view that you know, let the, those good low. uh, we'll see. creation is really important. but i mean, while i'm that i don't think that the, the, the broadcast b, m these,

you know, i mean, well, as we, as you see in the premium we're, i mean the, the loaner service can impact, you know, or can. so what i think that, i mean, if we provide the pre internet and, you know, i like the ways that they can connect to. maybe i mean that we're putting down the, you know, the tape to learn as to how, what is the state of life for people inside at north korea. and yet it came to need to class success of a cove it 2 months ago. do we know how much we know about the economic situation and the social situation for people that are now? well, much as we would like to know, i was very 2018 and the british embassy, like many of the european embassies, and many other emphasis closed in,

in 2020 times to reopen again. so the sort of information that was coming out from north korea, through the observations are different wraps in the countries into the observations of un and other aged work. it's in the country, dried up, some and the foods remained. i mean, it seems very likely that the situation is poor unless they there are numbers of really strong kind of 19, of course in suffering death, 90 career, find me to learn and probably the level of food proficiency is very, very low. and you can normal captivity is the moment, but whether this is at the level of severe severity that we've seen in the 2nd half

of the $900.00 ninety's, which of course, the regime managed to survive is not clear. i hope it isn't. and i think it probably is, but the, the situation is good in terms of information access. there is less access to information. now, there was a few years ago because with the closed border between the dpr and china and the rest of the world as the how much then is this of these tests a message to the domestic audience or oriented distraction for the domestic audience from the living situations but we do have different views on that. i do believe that the the program a launch is if you can start development and nuclear weapons development is essentially a military program program. clearly times there are announcements of individual

tests, which i use for internal propaganda. i think the history of the image of an external enemy is important for the regime in the management of the people. but i don't think that the latest test, the test in the last 2 weeks are primarily aimed at distracting the people with the intention of the leadership. i think they really don't want to put on information about them in their own media propaganda source. being remarkably silent about market the last time we saw this many missile tests was in 2017. then of course we had a nuclear test at the end towards the end of that year. lot of talk about another 7th nuclear test. what's your theory on that and when it might happen?

because there are, of course, some key global dates coming up with china's communist party congress. we've got the u. s. midterm elections. we got north quiz work as pansy anniversary. do you have any theories as to when, if this might happen, where i, and i don't have any theories that are better than the, the theories being discussed in south korea, where there's a view that a test during the upcoming workers party congress is the most likely timeframe. so i think that maybe the middle of october, or in the weeks there after i've been expecting another nuclear test for some time . and the indications are that the site has been prepared for it to you know, i think when it's imminent we will get more information. we have very good satellite coverage of that site and some very good analysts to can look at it and tell us what's happening. i haven't seen that yet, but expect we will. i think before the end of the year we're,

we're going to get an easier test. we're probably going to get an icbm test and things are going to just get more and more attempts. and again, is there a plan south korean response to this you know, what i mean? our vision to the council. i mean, they are trying to figure out if there's any, you know, citing the nuclear path. and i mean, they have last the plan. i mean, so the reason and the promise policy, i mean to deal with the, as the treasure after the warrior has done this town. i mean, well, well actually they, our government position is, is that, i mean, we, we were, you know, do every, you know, possible measure, you know,

after military had the, this, you know, the new could pass them and we will stand bone and working with us. and japan, what would that look like alice? what would that response be? i'm not sure what the, what the particular measures would be. and i think you can look at measures that can be taken in, in response to the, the ballistic missile program. increased emphasis on cooperation looking again at the deterrent c detection and determine tools are i'm sure that the, the united states from united kingdom and i don't have the security council and brochure in china will work hard to get

a new resolution and security council if there is a nuclear test, i would hope that they would succeed, but it's hard to be optimistic at the moment. i mean, clearly, member states can take autonomous measures in relation to sanctions. and if the un what the security council level is paralyzed, then they may well do so. and is scope, of course, for secondary sanctions against china. should member decide that that is cool for just a month. last thought for me in the last 30 seconds. we have what is north korea want to more less they want to protection against what they do as a potential attack on their country. they're wrong about that. they're wrong about who started the korean war, but they want to defend themselves. and they also wanna be treated as see

themselves as an equal the united states. they loved it when president donald trump spoke with their president and he was a failed opportunity that that leadership summit didn't result in any deals. we could have had something and both sides asked for too much. okay, fantastic. thank you very much. all of you for joining us. ok, young alice morgan and mark fitzpatrick and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again at any time by visiting our website as al jazeera dot com for further discussion to go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you know, the, during the conversation on twitter, we're at a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here is bye for now. mm.

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