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caused flash flooding across melbourne. thousands of people in victoria were told to leave. those who were stranded were rescued by emergency service crews. we still are of the view that there's about $400.00 homes that have been inundated, ah, there are another $500.00 times, at least that have been oscillated when a shy harms properties might be more than just a house might be in terms of farmland, much bigger apostles of land that you ation orders were issued across 3 states in western new south wales, highways and raw lines had been cut off in the state to as many a rainfall records had been broken after 2 days of torrential rain. this is a 2nd major flood of business with queensland and new south wales. devastated what, what was described as right in february this year. and it's not expected to be the last. the bureau of meteorology has warned that a losing the wither event will bring with it heavy right. i was summer the worst of
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the ride my have passed, but authority say some river systems are expected to pig in the coming days. and then there's the clean up sarah clark, al jazeera brisbin, australia. ah, this is al jazeera, these, your top stories, british prime minister, less trust, has facts, her finance minister and ditch taken on the policy after just 6 weeks. and the job i government has abandoned plans to cut corporation tax. it is clear that parts of our mini budget went further and faster the markets were expecting. so the way we are delivering our mission right now has to change. we need to act now to reassure the markets of our fiscal discipline. an explosion in a turkish coal mine has left at least 25 people dead. dozens of others trapped on
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hundreds of people have died in the worst flooding in a decade. and the release of water from a dam and neighboring camry has made it worse. so what's been the government's response? this is inside stored. ah hello, welcome to the program, i'm tom cried ne, in nigeria is seeing some of its worst flooding in years. hundreds of thousands of harms have been destroyed and at least $500.00 people have died across several states. more than a 1000000 others have been displaced. many communities have been cut off and unable to reach out for help. the flooding has washed out. nigeria is food growing regions and flooded its oil. producing nyja delta. the government has issued several emergency evacuation notices, but local site,
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they have no where to go. those who survived are becoming increasingly desperate for help. we'll get to our guests in a moment. first started this update from ahmed address and and abra state and southern nigeria. here in weary conditions for the displeased are getting desperate with just 2 hours to sunset. food is served in this camp that we shall see now. accommodate hundreds of people near food. yeah, it's not, they're not for me for about 3000 people and i can see a 1000 people did that on this new food under budget from tally 3 other to was she says they haven't received an or leave supplies from government. this is flights of ravaged at least 27 of nitrous, 36 state destroying lives, crops, and horns and ridges like a number of fishes here. tell us that hundreds of thousands of people in several communities are still out of reach. nothing has been heard from some of them in
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nearly a week, and the passengers off a boat that capsized a week ago killing about 9 to people while fleeing their submerged communities. in sight of help. you my just, the agencies had warned, of destructive floods this year, but the level of government preparedness was poor. saw to was people's response to evacuation warnings that has left victims like kitchen any wondering what the future holds. alabama my, to my home. i can imagine there's nothing to go back to if my house is left standing, my animals crops, everything is gone for my kid, you know, with our number is one of the worst affected states. officials say the danger signs have been there yet. the federal government has failed to act. cameroon wants about this. and so we know that every 2 or 3 years, this happens, demerell would open up the damn. and then he comes here and wipes off everything. i
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mean it gonna get to a point where the, what i walk on man enveloped entire country. nigerla, fisher say humanitarian supplies have been distributed nationwide. but that is little comfort for hundreds of thousands who are yet to receive any help from government at any level. how many degrees al jazeera or torture lays we heard, the flooding has been made worse by seasonal brain and plant water release, from a dam and neighboring cameroon. lago damn is in northern cameroon, and was built in 1982. nigeria was supposed to build its own dam to offset the excess, but never finished. it will every few years water is released from the lago damn, and spills into the banu river. that then floods the river and its tribute trees that flow into nigeria. or even with advance warning the water from the dam, affix 13 flood prone states and nigeria, many of which supplied the rest of the country with grain and oil.
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ah, let's bring in our guests now in the namibian capital vine hook, solomon adama, nigeria is minister of water resources and in a boucher david are in see a climate activist and renewable energy specialist. a warm welcome to both of you and just to know we did invite some one from the cameron government to join us on the show at, but i declined it. david, i want to start with you a festival. you you're there. can you just give us a bit of an idea of just how bad the flooding is? thank you so much for having me on the show on such a pleasure to be at this time. however, please don't experience but those who are currently in nigeria and who are expressed in the impact of the flood. and. and i would say for example, i'm in a boucher i blue job stuff, but the best cost will be for the past couple of weeks after results of the
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flooding you go back just to. busy some stay some kilometers away from our booge out in the state. you have several trucks loaded with food stuff. some produce livestock, which are also stuck on the road. you know, the flooding has impacted significantly. the transportation of goods and services on people, you know, from one place to another. you can also talk about the number of the lives on property and houses that have been lost. you know, the last report i read from false angie over hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced and tens of thousands of people have lost their lives as the results are just flooding. and so it's, it's really a terrible way, sean, it's not one that is exciting to see, you know, and i can tell you that millions of dollars, you know, in terms of services, good, you know, and business activities have been thrown down the drain as
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a result of this flooding situation happening across the mid, about the mid, about some states, some states to benway state to adama law who adored to delta state revise bios that you name it. it's a significantly bad. i think it's not good at all. yeah. think some of the pictures, the devastation is just so widespread, it's hard to believe and minister to more than 500 people a did over a 1000000 people to splice many that al jazeera have spoken to have said that they've simply been forgotten about. so what does the government doing to help them? although we scratch a very devastating situation, my condolences to all the people that most families once and also most life you don't belong it's
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it's unprecedented floods. but let me say that almost on an annual basis. we always much april, we have the middle, it was the image or organization comes out to give a forecast over the climate situation which is expected to be yes i. busy follow of us minister, what i was is what we like look where we bring out all the information. what does your areas that are going to be flooded? what are the floods have happened? it's difficult to to, to stop flooding but at least one it is important but this range this should have been so. busy president, it well above the fluctuation in 2012. i gauge, you know, how we get interested. they are the local professor major where in 2012
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about the, the, the, the, the gates reading there was about 4 meters. but as for the 2, by the judge resist the pension went to 2 meters, which is like 12.5 inches or just about 2012 level. so. busy suddenly we haven't been to show you my 1st offense disaster management. busy which has major emergency, but isabel authority, mamma and i, i'm sure they are the best, but it's to saw about will be the situation is not only every less on the basis of the niger is where it's all over the country. if you take like the northeast where we have go your be states with the florida gym there they there. they don't know what to show you just like the most remote area. they also suffered the most
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amount of all over the country flood, played all the less common life. and it's quite a challenge, but i'm sure that we'll be doing the best we can be to the pair of governments. so to leave the show, you know, managing the disaster is much, are the ministry, but of course it's our government. and i'm aware that when i say my management agency, ministry are the best extent to provide soccer. i'm dest, olivia, some of the suffering. david, just really quickly do you think that the government's doing enough people there on the ground getting enough? so when you look at the auction, but the nigerian has taken and john government started going to have sensory integration, you know, to discuss it. and had an animal you can read on governance usually in from nigeria
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about what they're about to needs, etc. water. i'm a lot of that. that is, it's great to know. but what we can do mentally have is an infrastructure problem. because if the damn, the house or dancing done that was supposed to be would have been built, these will significantly push on the spect i give you some few of the $56.00 about this. this done because part of the reasons where we have disclose next issue is when the, the, the, what are x is what i thinking from the law. go down on the camera and i need to get the flow through the chip tributaries the niger. but i tell you that did down that was supposed to be built by the 9 gel government several years ago, was had the capacity supposed to be 2 and a half times the size of the logwood on which would have easily cushions the fact. i tell you again that it's not just 2 cushion defects of blood and,
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but this dumps also had a number of economic a couple of ability. one of it was, it was supposed to be able to show that generates nothing less than $300.00 megawatt of electric. and by so doing a show that over provide you to provide a service support for over a $150000.00. and when you look alone, you understand that this is not just the structure that i need to set in place just as me to get flood and also about managing each other are flooding. actually, water that comes from come a room, but also infrastructure that could be proved. the last one life of those people, we've been just region and it's what that that was the plan. so it's not a question of when we get back the permission from the committee number never had confirmed that cameron had even sense and so on. so my last, you know, but then didn't read
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a lot to people who are leaving. i'm going about the business is to have to lead the location. it's not good enough because at the end of the day when the flooded happens, when the destruction with a full of, of the impacts of this study occur when they come back to the business is do they need to really now you start from scratch, they lose their housing and the the lose the broker. they live in the process. that is not enough. that's not, that's not a solution. you know what i like to not a solution. we have a major construction program that needs to be fixed on it. but you know, think every will get in the kitchen. yes, this flooding is going to happen. but we need to speak this the bus stop. we need to get the dam complete that we need to ensure that they cannot make up. typically that's supposed to be created as a result of this dam begins to come in to blame because without getting this thought or this, this solution in place will just be beaten around the bush. i will double checking
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the solution to tackling this program. i know, having researched for this program, a lot of your countrymen feel exactly the same way. david, just want to explain to the international audience that might not understand the region that well in the eighty's. cameroon, built the damn themselves, the lago damn. at the same time, the jury was meant to build their own dam further down stream that was proximately 2 and a half times the size of the camera. and he and dan. but that would add to the buffer to stop in the overflow from the camera. and dan, but that has to this day, never been finished. i'd like to bring in our food gifts now from avadanian, scotland money, lou kinsey, a teaching fellow in politics and international relations at the university of evelyn. thank you very much for being on the program. money, can you explain from a chem rooney in point of view, why you think there's been so many issues around the both the cameron damn, but also the nigerian damn as well?
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yes. so it's good that you started by giving a little bit of background on how the infrastructure were supposed to be managed around this. so let's not kid ourselves. this issue. it's fundamentally a war time management issue. i know there the ministers talked about being the rains being unprecedented while yes, their rates are here this year. but all the ratings and reviews have been studied for so many years. and all of this is predictable. so you have issues or call a town planning in nigeria for water management, nigeria, and we go and i'm talking about a case of cumberland come room build and dam, anticipating nigeria to rest on. we've done that can manage to flow. congress
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informs nigeria of its necessity. to release some of the water in the niger doors, nothing. and when the floats come, as they have come, nigeria tried to use cameroon as the as date skim. good. so we have to be clear that this is an issue or war governance for governance. the terms or better planning, as well as managing what is a niger. so what is a resource in my area that should be managing t as the on the speaker said this has saving lives in terms of avoiding yours, also have indication on economics. so if you went to your dom as nigeria supposed they will produce electricity, it will, which will then feed into the economy and alive. so fundamentally, this is a poor governance issue principally on the site or nigeria. ok, and minister,
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you're in charge of water resources for nigeria. it's been for decades. why hasn't the dam been finished? first of all, let me say that it's easy to, to, to, to label the label level down. if you were actually picking a date was kind enough to measure the other issue, there are plenty issues. and these are centered on the fact that we have a federal government for a system of government. so there are responsibility for federal government and their response from the states. i want to say that that is not just like with them . yes, it's a factor. ok, but we don't need all the doesn't go down on a baby for us to be able to check the situation. we need so many 1000 the baby try on the been a busy we did. we did to down guy. we need to down to rabbi with in addition to the doesn't, doesn't house are done by the article that they're talking about. when we came into
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this administration in 2015, there was a that been an effort to start the process of construction. the doesn't cord of the planning aspect when the planning was very poor. so we have to start all over again . as i'm talking to, you know, their consultants working on the feasibility study that we did to design for us to be able to have it proper for design and the proper dumb project for initially when we came in, we were looking at to be what year is spent with some contractors who wanted to build the hydro power competent along with it. but unfortunately, they said that the, when we checked that the, the, the financial model was suitable for them. yes, we did, the doesn't go under, but we don't the that's, that's what this government has completed. one of the problem which is should be like, one of the downside is to be a trick, but this is
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a process that's going to take some time. i've been talking to you though, we have science and we'll use with several companies. we have to hydropower projects, hydro property at the plant or even me. there's a local business $1.00 and $2.00. there's also a business out outland business gets approved for and there are quite a number of smaller projects in addition to hopefully in the future the bill hydropower project, that's where we hope will come on strip. the problem is the big as so many tried to twist that have not been you know, damped. and therefore, it's only about about like i let say that can really just been truthful. we sign it and we would then be 2016. we were supposed to be electron us on a regular basis. every yeah,
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we have the was to the driver because i was just check on them 2 years ago or 3 years ago. they release the what does without you for me. and i. busy just go and trade the provisions of them on the sunday that we signed with them. we will have to write a purchase letter to their to, to the community. you know what it is this year we release the waters on october, september. but that's, that's not the only issue. it's not about the luck with release. the entire country has been flooded because i'm, i'm president to reach. lucky is a factor, but it's not a significant factor. i let me say this. we have trans boundary. what does, yes, there must be where the cost of only 20 percent of the total for what for each of the country, 80 percent of the rest of the floor is actually generated. within that, i do a temporary from the item and we'll just plan on the the, the, the highlander public that's drained into the southwest region. ok. i guess you
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know, this a 1000000 people standing in water wondering when they'll be able to get back to their homes if at all they don't want to play a blame game. they're just looking to the government to actually come up with a solution. so can you give us a timeline on when the day might be able to be finished? because we know that the camera unions are going to continue to release water. so is there a day or a timeline that you can, that you can give these people that have, have lost everything in these last floods. you cannot. i've said that, said the dam is important because of the issue, but it dumble, that's importance. and who are stretch it even more to this, to be properly designed? because if, by the time you put it that way, so the what, what did the chassis i live in the live, you know, the, what i will, you don't it puzzle cameron, but there is a more detailed engineering study going on, which i commissioned. and i feel that,
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oh, that is a she studies need to be done so that the dumb does not become a problem when it is supposed to be a solution. that is one, then we have other a strategy that we're looking at. really nature, for instance, frozen from a stretch from the for to gel or mountains across is to 5 countries before going into ledger. a lot of it is in the sahara desert, so it comes with a lot of citizens are well already planning a more details master plan study for the reverse for he was major and been me so that we can introduce them. we were treated solutions a way forward and maybe also reclaim some, some, some areas and provide. so the better that we get show channels within the rivers as this, as it is to be several decades ago. i. when we do that, we feel that by proving the capacity of the channels are we was nyja and b b, we could alleviate some, some of the problem. but is those those little while she solution i,
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what else was management is tough. and he takes yes. a t v where you start to program, you can take tickets before you able to go credit. ok. a money. we're going to go to you now just before we finish up this program, what do you make of the minister there? i guess, alluding to the fact that the communication from the camera any inside hasn't been what it should be. yes. so you could say that that's the case because like i said earlier on, there's a degree of a poor governance in this case. may be signals are not picked or transmitted there should be and what did the minister is not saying, though, the minister has said a lot about accepting that a land lease, or small part of all of this one to minister pamela because he's not part of this portfolio is not talking well about would
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a town planning or city planning in nigeria, how people are building on flood plains, how even nigerian laws around building floor plans are not properly enforced? because this is part of the whole flaunting system. like you mentioned earlier that people standing in water asking what needs to be done or what could be done for them. and all of this issues have to be thought about in connection is not just about building dams or releasing water, but thinking about a holistic proof or process that money g. c. water to protect people from floors, but also to contribute to economics. and from the camera inside of it, they can want to work on what the nigerians agree to do downstream. and what we can do in, in our camera without thinking much about what is happening in nigeria. so the,
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both governments need an effective water management system commission or whatever that communicates on even a weekly, or d. b 's to manage what is a shared water resource for them. but we must emphasize that this is an issue where things have not been managed properly. for so many years, they saying all of this, now you would see that next year there will be another flaw and another minister will come and see exactly the same thing. so this is not new. so we need to, you need to ask the media who and administer accountable to make sure that this, this happens. okay, well that's exactly what we try to do here on inside story. thank you very much. minister, solomon adama, a david ramsey and minute can see for being on the inside story. and i thank you very much for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and the further discussion go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com,
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