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hundreds of people have died in the worst flooding in a decade. and the release of water from a dam and neighboring camry has made it worse. so what's been the government's response? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm toma cried. ne in nigeria is seeing some of its worst flooding in years. hundreds of thousands of harms have been destroyed and at least $500.00 people have died across several states. more than a 1000000 others have been displaced. many communities have been cut off and unable to reach out for help. the flooding has washed out. nigeria is food growing regions and flooded its oil. producing nyja delta. the government has issued several emergency evacuation notices, but local site,
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they have no where to go. those who survived are becoming increasingly desperate for help. we'll get to our guests in a moment. first started this update from ahmed address and and abra state and southern nigeria. here in weary conditions for the displeased are getting desperate with just 2 hours to sunset. for this served in this camp that we shall see now, accommodate hundreds of people. no food. yeah. it's not enough for me for about 3000 people and that is here for a 1000 people did that one this. this soon under will budget from delatory. each other to was she says they haven't received an relief supplies from government. this is flights of ravaged at least 27 of nitrous, 36 state destroying lives, crops, and horns in ridges like a number of fishes here. tell us that hundreds of thousands of people in several communities are still out of reach. nothing has been heard from some of them in
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nearly a week. and the passengers off a boat that capsized a week ago, killing about 9 to people while fleeing their submerged communities. in sight of help you my just the agencies had warned, of destructive floods this year. but the level of government preparedness was poor . saw to was people's response to evacuation warnings that has left victims like get you and any wondering what the future holds. alabama my to my all my time image, there's nothing to go back to. if my house is left standing, my animals crops, everything is gone for my kid, you know, with our number is one of the worst affected states. officials say the danger signs have been there yet. the federal government has failed to act. cameroon wants about this. and so we know that every 2 or 3 years this happens, demerell would open up the damn. and then he comes here and wipes off everything. i
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mean it gonna get to a point where the, what i walk on, man, enveloped entire country. nigerla, fisher say, humanitarian supplies have been distributed nationwide, but that is little comfort for hundreds of thousands who are yet to receive any help from government. at any level, how many degrees al jazeera or torture lays we heard the flooding has been made worse by seasonal rain and plant water release, from a dam and neighboring cameroon. lago damn is in northern cameroon, and was built in 1982. nigeria was supposed to build its own dam to offset the excess, but never finished. it will. every few years water is released from the lago damn, and spills into the banu river. that then floods the river and its tribute trees that flow into nigeria, or even with advance warning the water from the dam, affix 13 flood prone states and nigeria, many of which supplied the rest of the country with grain and oil.
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ah, let's bring in our guests now in the namibian capital vine hook, solomon adama, nigeria is minister of water resources and in a boucher david, a renzi, a climate activist and renewable energy specialist, a warm welcome to both of you. and just to know, we did invite someone from the cameron government to join us on the show a but i declined it. david, i want to start with you a festival. you, you're there, it can, you just give us a bit of an idea of just how bad the flooding is. thank you so much for having me on the so it's such a pleasure to be at the time. however, please don't experience for those who are currently in nigeria and who are expressed in the impact of the flood. and, and i would say for example, i'm in a boucher, i boucher stuff but the, this cost will be for the past couple of weeks after results of the flooding. you
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go back just to. busy some stay, some kilometers away from our booge out in the state. you have several trucks loaded with food stuff. some produce livestock, which are also stuck on the road. you know, the floating has impacted significantly the transportation of goods and services. and people, you know, from one place to another, you can also talk about the number of the lives on property and houses that have been lost. you know, the last report i read from post n g, well by hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced on tens of thousands of people have lost their lives. the results are just flooding and so it's, it's really a terrible way shawn, it's not one that is exciting to see. you know, and i can tell you that millions of dollars, you know, in terms of services, good, you know, and business activities have been thrown down the dream as
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a result of this flooding situation happening across the mid, about the mid, about some states, some states to benway state to adama law, who adored to delta state revise bios that you name it. it's a significantly bad. i think it's not good at all. yeah, think some of the pictures, the devastation is just so widespread. it's hard to believe and minister, the more than 500 people a did over a 1000000 people to splice many that al jazeera, have spoken to have said that they've simply been forgotten about. so what does the government doing to help them? although we scratch a very devastating situation, my condolences to the people that most families of most want and also most life you don't belong it's
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it's unprecedented floods. but let me say that almost on an annual basis. we always much april. we have the middle, the image organization comes out to give a forecast over the climate situation, which is expected to be. yeah. i. busy follow up as minister. what does it work for the like look where we bring out all the information on the areas that are going to be flooded. what are the floods have happened? it's difficult to to, to stop flooding but at least i want it is important but this range this should have been so. busy president, it well above the fluctuation in 2012. i gauge, you know, how we get interested. they are the local professor major where in 2012
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about the, the, the, the, the gates reading there was about 4 meters. but as for the 2, by the judge resist the pension went to 2 meters, which is like 12.5 inches or just about the trunk 2012 level. so. busy suddenly we haven't been to show you my 1st offense disaster management. busy which has the major emergency authority, mamma, and i'm sure they are, they're doing the best. but it's to so overwhelming. the situation is not only every less on the basis of the niger is where it's all over the country. if you take like the north east where we have go your be states with florida gym, they're they, they're, they don't know what to show you just like the most remote area. they also suffered
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the most to want all over the country flood, played all the less common life. and it's quite a challenge, but i'm sure that we'll be doing the best we can be to the pair of governments. so to leave the show, you know, managing the disaster is much, are the ministry, but of course our government. and i'm aware that when i say my management agency, ministry are the best extent provides soccer, i'm dest, olivia, some of the suffering. okay, david, just really quickly, do you think that the government's doing enough people there on the ground getting enough? so when you look at the auction, but the nigerian has taken and john governments are going to have sensory integration, you know, to discuss it. and how to emily,
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where the can read on governance, usually in from nigeria, about what they're about to needs, etc. water. i'm a lot of that. that is, it's great to know. but what we can do mentally have is an infrastructure problem. because if the damn, the house or dancing done that was supposed to be, would have been billed these, we've got the push on the spect. i give you some few of the 56 about this, this done because part of the reasons where we have disclose next issue is when the, the, the, what are x is what i thinking from the law. go down on the camera and i need to get the flow through the chip tributaries the niger. but i tell you that did down that was supposed to be built by the 9 gel government several years ago was had the capacity supposed to be 2 and a half times the size of the logarithm, which would have easily cushions. the fact i tell you again that it's not just 2
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cushion defects of blood and, but this dumps also had a number of economic a couple of ability. one of it was, it was supposed to be able to show that generates not been less than $300.00 megawatt of electric. and by so doing a show that over provide you to provide a given that this is support for over a 150000. and when you look alone, you understand that this is not just the structure that i need to set in place just as me to get flood and also about managing each other are flooding. actually, water that comes from come a room, but also infrastructure that could be proved. the last one life of those people, we've been just region and it's what was the learn. so it's not, it's not a question of when we get back the permission from the committee. number nemo had confirmed that cameron hadn't even sense and so on. so my last, you know, but then didn't read lots of people who are leaving. i'm going about the business
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is to have to lead the location. it's not good enough because at the end of the day when the flooded happens, when the destruction with a full of, of the impacts of this study occur when they come back to the business is do they need to really now start from scratch? they lose their housing and the, the lose the broker. they live in the process. that is not enough that does a lot of solution. you know what i like to not a solution. we have the major structure program that needs to be fixed on it, but you know, think every will get in the kitchen. yes, this flooding is going to happen. but we need to speak this the bus stop. we need to get this done. complete that we need to ensure that they cannot make up typically that's supposed to be created as a result of this dam begins to come in to blame because without getting this thought or this, this solution in place will just be beaten around the bush. i will send you
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a solution to tackling this program. i know having researched for this program, a lot of your countrymen feel exactly the same way. david, just want to explain to the international audience that might not understand the region that well in the eighty's. cameroon, built the damn themselves, the lago damn. at the same time the jury was meant to build their own dam further down the stream that was proximately 2 and a half times the size of the camera. and he and dan, but that would add to the buffer to stop in the overflow from the camera. and dan, but that has to this day, never been finished. i'd like to bring in our food gifts now from avadanian, scotland money, kenzie, a teaching fellow in politics and international relations at the university of evelyn. thank you very much for being on the program money. can you explain from a chem rooney in point of view, why you think there's been so many issues around the, both the cameron damn, but also the nigerian damn as well?
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yes. so it's good that you started by giving a little bit of background on how the infrastructure were supposed to be managed around this. so let's not kid ourselves. this issue. it's fundamentally a war time management issue. i know there the ministers talked about being the rains being unprecedented while yes, their rates are here this year. but all the ratings and reviews have been studied for so many years. and all of this is predictable. so you have issues or a pool, a town planning in nigeria for water management, nigeria. and we go and i'm talking about a case of camera room come room build and dam, anticipating idea to rest on we've done that can manage to flow. congress
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informs nigeria of its necessity to release some of the water in the down. nigeria doors, nothing. and when the floats come, as they have come. nigeria tried to use cameroon, as the as date skim. good. so we have to be clear that this is an issue or war governance for governance in terms of or better planning, as well as managing what is a niger. so what is a resource in my area? that should be my major t, as the on the speaker said this hass saving lives in terms of avoiding yours also have indication on economics. so if you went to your dom as nigeria, so they will produce electricity, it will which will then feed into the economy and alive. so fundamentally, this is a poor governance issue principally on the side or nigeria. ok?
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a minute. you're in charge of water resources for nigeria, it's been for decades. why hasn't the dam been finished? first of all, let me say that it's easy to, to, to, to lay all the blame luck with them. i think we're actually picking a date was kind enough to nature the other issue. there are plenty issues and these are centered on the fact that we have a federal government for a system of government. so there are responsibility for federal government and their response from the states. i want to say that that is not just like with them . yes, it's a factor. ok, but we don't need lee doesn't go down on a baby for us to be able to check the situation. we need so many doubts on the bid may try on the been a busy we did. we did to down guy. we need to down to rabbi with in addition to the doesn't it doesn't house are done with your took it,
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but they're talking about when we came into this administration 2050, there was a that been an effort to start the process. of course, searching the doesn't court of the planning aspect when the planning was very poor . so we had to start all over again as i'm talking to now, their consultants, what they've done, the feasibility study that we determined to design for us to be able to have a proper, a design and a proper dumb project for initially when we came in, we were looking at the beauty arrangement with some contractors who wanted to build a hydro power competent along with it. but unfortunately, they said that the, when we checked that the, the, the financial model was suitable for them. yes, we did, the doesn't go under, but we don't the that's, that's what this government has completed. one of the problem which is should be like, one of the downside is to be a trick, but this is
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a process that's going to take some time. i've been talking to you though we have signed and will use with several companies. we have to hydropower projects, hydro property at the plant or even me. there's a local business $1.00 and $2.00. there's also a business out outland business gets approved for and there are quite a number of smaller projects in addition to hopefully in the future the bill hydropower project, that's where we hope will come on strip. the problem is the big as so many tried to twist that have not been you know, dumped. and therefore it's only about about like i let say that can really just been truthful. we sign it and we would then be 2016. we were supposed to be electron us on a regular basis. every yeah,
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we have the was to the driver because i was just check on them 2 years ago or 3 years ago. they release the what does without you for me. and i. busy just go and trade the provisions of them on the sunday that we signed with them. we will have to write a purchase letter to their to, to the community. you know what it is this year we release the waters on october, september. but that's, that's not the only issue. it's not about the luck with release. the entire country has been flooded because i'm, i'm president, to reach luck with them is a factor, but it's not a significant factor. let me say this, we have trans boundary. what does, yes, there must be where the cost of only 20 percent of the total for what for each of the country, 80 percent of the rest of the floor is actually generated. within that, i do a temporary from the item and we'll just plan on the the, the, the highlander public that's drained into the southwest region. ok. i guess you
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know, this a 1000000 people standing in water wondering when they'll be able to get back to their homes if at all they don't want to pay a blame game. they're just looking to the government to actually come up with a solution. so can you give us a timeline on when the day might be able to be finished? because we know that the camera unions are going to continue to release water. so is there a day or a timeline that you can, that you can give these people that have, have lost everything in these last floods? you cannot. i've said that, said the dam is important because of the issue, but it dump of that's importance. and, and who are strategic, what is this to be properly designed? because if, by the time you put it that way, so the what, what did the chassis i live in the live, you know, the, what i will, you don't it puzzle cameron, but there is a more detailed engineering study going on, which i commissioned. and i feel that,
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oh, that is a she studies need to be done so that the dumb does not become a problem when it is supposed to be a solution. that is one, then we have other a strategy that we're looking at. really nature, for instance, frozen from a stretch from the for to gel mountains across is to 5 countries before going into ledger. a lot of it is in this era, does it? so it comes with a lot of citizens are well already planning a more detailed master plan study for the reverse for he was major and been me so that we can introduce them. we were treated solutions are going forward and maybe also reclaim some, some, some areas and provide. so the better that we get show channels within the rivers as this, as it used to be several decades ago. i, when we do that we feel that by proving the capacity of the channels are we was digest. maybe we could alleviate some, some of the problem, but is those days will while she solution i what else was management is tough and
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it takes yes. a t v where you start to program, you can take tickets before you're able to go credit. ok. a money. we're going to go to you now and just before we finish up this program, what do you make of the minister. busy there, i guess, alluding to the fact that the communication from the camera any inside hasn't been what it should be. yes. so you could say that that's the case because like i said earlier on, there's a degree of a poor governance in this case. maybe signals are not peaked or transmitted, there should be and what did the minister is not saying, though, the minister has said a lot about accepting that a land lease or small part of all of this one to minister pamela big because he's not part of the sport for you is not talking well about would a town planning or c,
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t planning in nigeria. how people are building on flood plains, how even nigerian laws around building floor plans are not properly enforce. because this is part of the whole flaunting system. like you mentioned earlier that people standing in water asking what needs to be done or what could be done for them. and all of this issues have to be thought about in connection is not just about building dams or releasing water, but thinking about a holistic proof or process that money is water. to protect people from flaws, but also to contribute to economics. and from the camera inside of it, they can want to work on what the nigerians agree to do downstream. and what we can do in, in our camera without thinking much about what is happening in nigeria. so the,
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both governments need an effective water management system commission or whatever that communicates on even a weekly, or d. b 's to manage what is a shared water resource for them. but we must emphasize that this is an issue way things have not been managed properly. for so many years they saying all of this, now you would see that next year will be another florida, and another minister will come and see exactly the same thing. so it is not new. so we need to, you need to ask the media who that minister accountable to make sure that this happens. okay, well, that's exactly what we try to do here on inside story. thank you very much. minister, solomon adama, a david, aaron, z and minute can z for being on the inside story. and i thank you so very much for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and the further discussion go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com,
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