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this year, thanks to the public hospital he built next to my house is, are you ready for me? and i'm pissed we're community leader by cim causes novice remembers how life changed after the police pacified the far vella was government built a huge cable car system, transforming the complex money, moved into an international attraction. voters here are looking back at more prosperous times when money was being invested in these communities. i head of the 2016 olympic gaines. 50000 tours seem to come to this far vella every week. and they would buy arts and crafts and little stores. here. they would go to parties, there were bars, there were restaurants, there were even hotels to stay over night. now, all of that is long gone. gone. i mean like you've, you've taken a mm hm. people felt abandoned for money dry doubt. violence is back. corruption scandals made many lose faith in politicians to the point that they voted for both scenarios. who says he'll fight violence with more violence is stood of investing
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in education ladonna. so there was one of the disillusion. she had opened a bar to catered to tourists, but was forced to shut it down there. bayshore it is. they closed the cable car from one day to the next. nobody comes here anymore. she says she'll vote for lula . she hopes he'll fix the cable car and transformed the slums. once again, monica and i give al jazeera rio de janeiro. ah, your child was there with me, sill, robin, doha, reminder of all top news stories, tens of thousands of people living protesting in the french capitol. it's the rising cost of living and the government's response to climate change. natasha butler has been following the demonstrations. we can talk to some people. in fact, i have to say that one of the main things a comes out of again, are people's concerns about inflation. one man told me that his next door neighbor says that unless temperatures to well below 0, she rate. but
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a heating on he's just too scared about having to pay very high energy bills. that those are some of things even if it's been called by the hard johnny pennel with natalie, supported in this craft behind the scenes with really a path spectrum. and that also even some intellectual recent and nobel prize winner teacher. and you are normally graduate people to come out with full time right now order you case new chance sir jeremy hunt has promised to fix public finances after his predecessors, economic plans lead to chaos. and says that hell increase taxes and tighten control on public spending. his predecessor quasi quoting, announced a string of unfunded tax cuts last month, causing panic in the financial markets. at least 4 people have been killed and 61 injured in iran, after a fire broke out at the f in prison into iran. it happened on saturday night.
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officials say it was caused by fighting between inmates. messaging pings as china must ensure hong kong, as ruled by what he calls patriots. he made the commons at the communist party congress. she has also defended china 0 cove, it policy and back to military growth during the week. long gathering, he said to secure a 3rd term. those are the headlands. i'll be back for news in half night. emily anglin is up next with inside story to stay with us. ah, how has she jean pings, leadership of shaped china in an unprecedented mood?
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the communist party is set to extend his tenure as later. but what does it mean for china's future, both at home and abroad? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm emily angry and he is the most powerful communist leader in china since mows the dong now the communist party congress, which is held every 5 years is set to extend to president. she jan ping's leadership for historic 3rd term. this will of course, have significant impact on the world's 2nd largest economy and the region at large . she used his opening speech to declare beijing's global power had increased while warning of dangerous storms ahead. he called for faster military growth and
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defended his government's 0 close approach. he also raised the issue of hong kong, saying it must be ruled by what he calls patriots. the new leadership lineup is expected to be revealed in about a week from now. we'll get to our guests in just a moment, but 1st this report from adrian brown, jim o president, she jim pings, grip on power, would now appear absolute. if he has enemies, did the hidden or unknown, or both. but some of those who chronicled, she's curious, say you don't get to the top of chinese politics without eliminating rivals and making enemies. he does, but it needs to be said that the congress has an active state pageantry. the fact that this congress is happening means that these rivals have already been largely pushed to the sidelines. after becoming communist party chief a decade ago, she vowed to root out dishonest officials,
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both high ranking tigers and low level flies. the campaign went down well with the public, especially when it ensnared powerful and wealthy figures. bocce lie was a rising star of chinese politics, even tipped as a future president. but within months of she becoming leader bo was serving a life sentence for corruption and abuse of power. cellular data, no one was untouchable, including jour, young kang, the man who'd been in charge of state security that he's also serving a life term for corruption and disclosure. of state secrets and the purge is not over and more than 4000000 people have been caught. okay. so it's been a very effective tool to see jumping to both in still discipline within the communist party, but also clamped down on his rivals. other analysts say the continuing campaign against corruption ahead of his congress would ensure that she strengthens his hand
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over appointments to key decision making bodies. she has led china for a decade. now he is expected to end precedent by being appointed to a 3rd term as party chief. so having seized control in the chinese communist party, she sees him. can ramsey's control of china and china has become a lot less free, a lot more aggressive, far less and then it was 10 years ago. it's an accumulation of power unseen since chairman mouth. oh, and no leader. since him has built a personality cult as strong, adrian brown al jazeera. ah, that's bringing our guess, sin badging. victor gao is vice president of the center for china and globalization
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in hong kong. andrew lee, young and international and independent china strategist and in in albany in new k, a. stephen vines, the author of the book, defying the dragon, hong kong and the world's largest dictatorship. a very warm welcome to each of you, andrew. i'd like to start with you. she's power remain strong inside the c. c. pay that certainly not in doubt. but what about outside it? are the tides turning against she domestically and internationally? well, this is a natural, almost development and even you. ready a pen and you would become a 1000000 pounds and then your presence felt and your influence will. ready raise concerns of and then psyche and your labor or your challenger or perceive rival but i think that the c s
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is taking this seem to be taking china. ready to a higher plane, a lot of the, the western media is concentrating on certain specific aspects like the cold, with the dynamics 0 policy and complete control with mark all taiwan. but actually in speech is much more than that. it is no less than a decoration or a strategic stage in child development because of it look at how china for all over the past decades, you know, trying to sort of. ready a pool country and then i was actually have to hi is like under the show and of course have to keep a little because trying to simply does not have the comprehensive part of the defense of interest. now john is under the tutelage all the time is under spotty
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and regain china's national self confidence to project a. ready play, and that's what this conference is all about. it's not about a presidency holding on to power because he highlighted the problems and challenges. china was based in this chance that actually both an international, a domestic because of the demographics and a need to grow. so lives in that knowledge is subject to us sanctions and so and, and, and it's sort of a star. so the consensus about the party that see is, didn't do the job. speaking of shaping the man to do the job,
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steve. and i wanted to ask you, just how popular is she among people in china? are they happy to see him stay on for a 3rd time? well the, the simple answer to that question is, we don't know, because there is no freedom of expression in china. the impression is that people do support him, but the reality is because you live in a society where nobody can be say what they really feel unless like, you know, mr. long who are just because the party like this, they're doing that. it's very difficult to know what we do know, and it's very interesting is that in the wider world, you have the survey or the peer institute, which measures popularity of various world leaders and countries. and in the outside world, the popularity and appreciation of the people's republic of china has declined very
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rapidly in practically in countries of the world. since the accession of general secretary, she the to go, i want to pick up on what stephen just said in terms of the censorship. we bombarded with images of strength and the power of the si se payne and the censorship of china is, is no secret. but doesn't that also highlight the insecurity of the party and she given they're afraid of even the slightest criticism. those are so please allow me to remind our audience that china has the most dynamic and very sophisticated internet system. everyone is wary. a speaker in front of him at arrow and talks about things and is will on the mobile phone in the internet for example. and i think this is the reality in china. now, china does have says issue. there is a short list of things that people are not around to talk about. for example,
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hawaii independence, hong kong, independent to bethany, the vendors, we go independent, for example. these are couple issues and china and the challenge people. so all the government inc stamping out these very controversial issues for example, and we all united together to fight against the separatist double bonds in taiwan or originally, a couple of years ago. you, hong kong, this is not to dissent. this is really people getting together or for the same direction of maintaining sovereignty and territorial integrity. if anyone believes that china does not have freedom of expression on the internet or your mobile phone, then come to china and see what exactly is happening on the ground. now i'll say the chinese consumers spend more time on internet and on their mobile phone. probably them people in many other countries. part of the reason is because the broadband system is very good. 5, g is very popular,
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and affordability of the smartphones in town is very popular. so she should remind to everyone that china is one of the best to connect in countries in the world. a raw talks about every being on the internet except that short list of couple issues . i want to get to that list in just a minute. then stephen, i noticed you are shaking your head there in disagreement while la andry you were nodding. well, i mean, the facts of the matter, and this is well known to both the guess is that there is not a limited number of subjects which are to there's a very vast number of subjects who are just let's take one example. during the cove, it crosses, which is still raging. access to the internet was shut down to people who criticize the authorities for the way they were handling the pandemic. it's also the fact that chinese citizens cannot legally access the world wide where, i mean,
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astonishing that this has just been mentioned. all of the internet is very tightly controlled. china does not have access, for example, to apps such as google, such as walks. all of these search engines, and all of these communication apps are developed independently in china and of very severely controlled. and if you're a person who's known to have said anything loosely on one of these devices you get shut down. it's as simple as that. let's bring the conversation, i guess, back to the congress and to changing things. leadership and andrew, what impact has the draconian 0 co that policy had on? she's a leadership and also he's popularity. well, 1st of all, i like to address the perception that somehow the chinese communist party is unstable, or the society seems that there would be
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a lot of backlash against the party. well, this is a complete travesty of the truth. and i'm referring to the harvard kennedy school study, which came out 6 or 9 months ago. and it's a long to, to, to know that it's not just a one all is based on a track record of similar studies in the past using our kennedy schools. but prior to the search tools which compiled the company's party is the most. busy important part is people compare with other countries. many other countries including west of the. busy receipts in the united states, in fact, multiple ranks above the united states as much as 80 or 90 percent of the people support the companies party because the lives have changed the recklessly on those 2 to h over so many years regardless of the regime. regardless of what type of government you have, i think the test of the putting it, whether, you know,
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people have experience, you know, better lives, you know, better likelihood and have a situation. so all these metrics, the child is going to spot this, but highly supportive body people. so this kind of rhetoric about differences in freedoms because each countries have different political, historical, and, and various other differences. i mean, just like the family, you know, the way i read my family is very different from you all you raise your family and to expect that there is a one dimensional thing. i think that this is a travesty show. but coming back. yeah. question about the 0 kind of policy. what impact is that had on his leadership and going forward on his popularity because we have seen protest, i mean even a few days before the congress party, they weigh images of banners being put up on a bridge in the,
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in the north west of bay g well that was a long kind of thing and. ready as i said, it was a. ready small change the reality that every dorothy of the times people say what the thought about coming back to the fact that it's, i think the best of the see also explain that of course the lives all the time is people who are on much higher plane compare with economics, if you look at the rate of the pandemic united states, 1000000 people die in the united. ready states because of the fantastic, but chinese population is 4 times as big as united states. so if you have a similar kind of measures in the united states and then there's a risk that china with and these cars in that scenario would impact most on the most vulnerable groups of the elderly or the. ready the less privilege, so this is completely
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a comment on impact that we can all agree on is the impact on the economy. and if i can address the question to you, victor gal, what's been the impact on china's economy as a result of the 0 kind of the policy and will she soften his approach going forward? do you think? well, 1st of all, talk you about the call. the 19th pandemic, china has the highest success rating fighting of this pandemic. and i agree with mr . leon in terms of the death raise my infection rates. china has the lowest rates that means chan has saved the more people from infections home, from deaths, from the chinese perspective. heard immunity is really an indication of the completely competence of the government's involved. because they cannot save their old people. they cannot prevent the wide spread of the pandemic. as a result, the people become victims, they lose their lives, they get infectious. they go to ice, yours in china. we want to do the other way and allow me to emphasize was again,
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every contract there. i did come up with his old way to deal with the pandemic. and channels way is to prevent, as many people as possible from getting fictions of dying from rack the cove. it meant a pandemic. now, you talked about economic costs, allow me to man emphasize that china has made its choice completely and fully aware of economic costs. that means after weighing all the costs economically, the chinese guy was still decided to save as many people as possible. because we do believe saving people's lives, including elderly people, is very much part of the human rights for the chance people. we want to prevent as many people from dying or infections from the pandemic. and this will be the continued focus. now the dynamic 0 call the policy does not mean it will not be
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changed or modified originally. it was 2 weeks plus one week, $21.00 days in total. now it's 7 days plus 3 days. and i truly believe that after that had the party congress, it probably will be reduced down to 5 days or 2 days either one day example. so it is being modified and eventually we all want to have life going back to normal, but much on the precondition, the more people get infectious and more people in china died. brian fractures. victor guy, you mentioned human rights, which brings me to my next issue that i want to address. steven. i'll address this to you. a human rights report from the un said china was responsible for serious human rights violations in the shin. young province is she's continued tenure as later a disaster for human rights as amnesty international has described it. i don't think there's any serious question the human rights in china, which were already at
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a very low level her to, to write it kind of the period of teaching things rule in, in john, in the target regions of china. of course that has become a very dramatic situation with the ledge genocide, with literally hundreds of thousands of people being in turned with mass sterilizations or weaker females, et cetera, et cetera. and of course, i mean it's, it's not just in engine jang. i mean, in, in hong kong, a free society, which was guaranteed on the international treaties to be able to maintain its way of life, has now found most forms of freedom, most forms of liberty extinguished, and the jails are full of political prisoners. so if the question is, has there been anything other than a deterioration of human rights in china? the answer is very emphatic. it has got worse. and i think the longer you have
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not only one party rule because obviously that's what you have in china. but one man rule the toleration for any form of descent within the borders of the p r c is going to actually continue to move downwards. andrea, why didn't she mention since young, specifically in his speech to congress today? well, i think that this is why i liked it, of course, by the way, all the time i've been doing that the past couple of one. so yeah. which is cause as i said, a complete travesty. because you know that the, the accusation, of course, labor it will look at the, the way that for example, caught, is collected, is completely mechanized. so what is the forced labor? and of course though, there's no doubt that
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a lot of the seen jang activist or separate ism have been arrested. or this is a factor like any other country nationalist, it would be simple. but the say the say this general side, i think over the pulse. but i think that this is a very important part of china's problems and hopes of a strategic position. so this in the west a, and it's part of is immunization of china. that's why i called, i knew the un human rights report, the united nations human rights report is inaccurate. well, it is a, at least in a sort of partially, it's not completely inaccurate because they stop it. the accusations are based on evidence of will. you can always single certain cases. i mean, you can look at the prisoners and what color will bay for example and say the whole
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united states is a big tauriel. a country like was, i'm not saying that as part of a is as big as in jan. but it was not a question of extent, so every country has. ready has its own national security and is the most important imperative, right. but i think a lot of the accusations that completely over the false speaking of the u. s. l. direct this question to victor, victor. she is called the military growth. that's obviously coming in mid tensions with washington. how the relationship with the u. s. play out during she's 3rd 10. and you very much before i answer your question while timely us relations allow me to very quickly talk about john. you may know the united nations human rights commission defeated a draft resolution proposed by the united states and many western countries accusing channels, human rights violations. the change are and if you read the numbers,
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most of those countries which defeat the u. s. sponsor, the resolutions are actually are countries. i wasn't conscious that beings, they support china's position. and they believe that the false accusations wrought by the united states and western countries about human rights situation in change are completely fabricated. and i think i agree with mr. leon, in his assessment, the situation and king john will remain part of the chinese territory. and the way go, people will always remember our brothers and sisters. and the false accusations will really not be generated or turned into any concrete actions because china sovereignty or wishing joe will be i in class, mr. gal, we are solar time. so if you wanted to respond to my question about the washington, that would be great. exactly. trying the u. s. relations are really deteriorating at the united states has not come to terms with the fact that china will soon
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surpass bag of the united states as far as the size of the carbon is concerned. and the also worried that was travis of policies that are the united states. china will replace the united states as the top dog in the world. childless view is just the opposite channels. economic development will continue. and in less than 10 years time, probably much less than that child size will be economy will be that bigger than that all the divers state, however, china seas no father of becoming the next top dog will know why. because trying to wants to cheat every country, because boy in the world i let me call and child there will never impose it's ways it's views and it's way of doing things on to any other country in the world. well, it's certainly a conversation which has ignited a lot of passion and i appreciate all of you for taking the time to speak with us. unfortunately, we have run short of time so we have to leave it there. but thank you to all of our guests, victor gao, angela young and steven vines,
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