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is still reeling on poverty and devastation. so who's responsible and how much of a threat is a resurgence of the arm growth in it's for my capital. this is inside storing. ah, hello and welcome to the program. i'm emily angland. it's been a 5 years since the armed group i saw was defeated in rocker in northern syria. the city served as its base, yet many of the conditions that made wreck a vulnerable to an ice will take over in 2017, still exist today. governance is wake and attacks are common across the city. people are living in ruins with limited electricity, water, and access to education and medical services. are sad bag reports.

i didn't fight to celebrate their capture of rocca in 2014. they no longer hear what the destruction left after the battle to force them out still remains us fact kurdish fighters fought st battles he dislodged the militants and the u. s. code out hundreds of air strikes on the city. the saran democratic forces now controlled rocca, come to see you on an attorney for 5 years. we lived in a desperate situation with lack of good water or bread, but my family has 9 people, no services provided. they give 13 pieces of bread to 6 people and they make you suffer to get enough bread for a family. last time they told me if i didn't like it, go make a complaint. we can't help you. oh, many here are concerned about the state of the roads with winter fast approaching. they're worried there may be cut off in an emergency as

a lot of i don't care those yellowstone that will because of the bad roads. if you are sick, the taxi will drop you away from your house and they do not enter these bad streets and our street is considered one of the better ones. one of our hopes is that these streets be fixed in case an ambulance wants to enter. electricity supplies are limited here, and those who can afford them use generators. them or another cell we depend on the generators. the normal electricity comes through a few hours a day. the generators cost the civilians too much. there is no follow up from the municipality for the destroyed embalmed buildings. to remove the rubble permanently . the battle to defeat ices was just a start of a struggle for people here. and for those who remain the lack of reconstruction, health and education mean it hasn't ended. i said, beg, i'll 0. let's take a closer look at the legacy of i sell in syria. he armed group no longer has a strong hold in the northeast and is officially considered defeated. despite this,

it's fighters, domain name in dares or 20 percent of people serve a c i. so as the main threat to their security and some rights groups warner, they could be a resurgence of the group as former fighters and their families are released from the whole camp. in ne syria. the let's bring in our guest now in norman oklahoma. is joshua land is the director at the center of middle east studies at the university of oklahoma in ankara is mirage . yes, he tash director of foreign policy research and seizure. as in tank and covering security and foreign policy issues and in bali is i am in a job what al it to me me, editor of castle re associates. i mean, is a specialist on islamic state, a warm welcome to all of you. joshua, i'd like to start with you. the goal was to free civilians in rocca from the grips

of iso. but have they been overlooked since being liberated? yes, it has and, and, and in it, in this, you know, sort of blame game. ah. yeah, everybody is guilty, but the united states, as an american, i'd like to speak on the, on the part of the united states and the united states put up with the rise of selfish jihadist state in north eastern syria. right from the early days. and we have this from the documents that have been given out through wiki leaks, the d, i a defense intelligence agency, for example, already in 2012 said that it was the purpose. it was the intention of the west turkey and the gulf states to allow a islamic state of some kind to rise up in ne, in order to pressure to use it as leverage against aside. and we see this time and time again in the american documents already in 2013 for example.

the number 2 in the cia gave is one single interview on tv. and he said that the way they're going to get rid of aside was by building up the opposition and they said already the opposition is dominated by al qaeda and, and it related, malicious these radical islamist. so what they wanted to do was build them up to weaken the syrian army, but they were terrified of destroying the syrian army. they said, because we would need the syrian military and his attention to the see. serious security forces are required to defeat al qaeda when this is done. so they wanted a week in the syrian army forces, hearing army to come to america, to negotiate. and then they thought they could get rid of us that way that the army would turn on our side, like the egyptian army had turned against mubarak, they would get rid of him, then it would build up the army to kill the jihadists in the northeast. but in fact,

their plan blew up in their hands and they built, they managed to build a big state or dated build it. but of course it, it emerged with the weapons that they were pouring in. and then they had to go and destroy it. and so this terrible plan which didn't stand a chance of working was partly the reason for why rocca was so destroyed and why it hasn't grown back again. because sanctions and other things are, are, and that terrible government has been left in place, are all responsible for the devastation that's been brought on syria. and let's look at that devastation. let's look at the problem before we've perhaps discussed the solution. i meant if i can go to you now, what is the current humanitarian situation like in northern syria as it stands, as well? q asian because i've actually been there in 2018. i do remember when i went there,

barry to start building to be wrapped in latin door unusable. on the other hand, it was completely devoid of light. it wasn't a ghost town. and i think there has been just limited program in restoration of attendance to restore bike electricity and water access. on the other hand, though, the, this process itself is dated lightly, dependent on aid provided by the united states and also by other western countries will be listened again by the day. and the amount of aid that really willing to provide is not commensurate with the amount of structure they took place in, in particular, during the campaign at re fax. and i think really to be sure that indicates

that there was always, there was, it was to be expected. that would be the amount of changes because the state i was going to fight out the very end in pushing back and also just because of the way the approach of western kind of evolve towards these kinds of complex, which is that you rely on local power on the ground, despite the very heavy s by which does lead to thank you, just to speak about the situation. it's still very bad. that has been some program over the years, but it's really not, you know, to keeping the inspection. and then also just the long term challenges which no one be willing to do certain like decrease in

increasing water gas. they would below the river level of be crazy. and along with that actually reduced out of access to hydro electricity and generated exactly. so it's not just necessarily the destruction, but also the military and situation on the ground in that with the likes of water and food, and also unemployment. murat, if i can direct the question to you, is that poverty and unemployment driving young men into the arms of i? so are they using money to new people? will we say a resurgence of isis? i think yes indeed. yes. but the problem is not limits with, with dice it's, i think there are 4 different dynamics to understand the turing station in rocca. the 1st is of course, the potential of isis resurgence in the, in the regions isis is very active. yes,

it is true that the territorial order of isis has been, has been call up, but it's territorial activities is still undermining the stability of the region. one by when i'm talking about the region, of course, what guys not limited. i mean, there are also other regions, for example, when we take into consideration distribution in l whole comp. i think we have to be very careful in terms of understanding the real push and pull factors on the grounds because of the p k, k n y, p g 's. you know, we executive to mechanism the weak security procedures and the increasing corruptions of by y, p g over the management of l hall come so therefore, isis activities is still continuing, which will eventually may provide at freedom of money, were to become an active organization on the grounds, the 2nd dynamics is about the p k k y p g. i think, as we know,

that the s d f is one of the important organizations, political and military organizations on the grounds to govern the city and the regions. but unfortunately, the dominant position of y, p g over the local population is problematic when we look at the data activities or y p g n, p j k. there are many problems about human while human rights violations. so when we look at the different reports which are released by international organizations, we can easily say that there is an intensive, you know, human rights violations on the ground, especially again, the local or population. then the local populations i think, are not happy about the dominant position of y p g. when you look at the, you know, the natural resource, i think the natural resource of the region is not use the benefit of the local populations. as you know, there is a strong pick between p k k a y, p g and y,

p g and p y d, i think are using these natural resource for the benefit of p j. k is active, it is in syria, iraq and turkey. so this is a real problem, i think p k 10 y, p g is also trying to change the demography of the region which will eventually undermine the you know, the demographic balance in the region. so this all these dynamics i think, provides some kind of grievances for the resurgence of, of ice. and so there is also other dynamics in terms of the, you know, as you mentioned, limited water and electricity access the difficulties for especially the children to access to the cations. and especially the disease within the context of the, you know, the limited water and the local demonstrations against the y, p g dominated governance model. these are all, i think, you know, the,

the main dynamics for the push and pull factors and the grievances for dice as the final point is about the, you know, the, the lack of a comprehensive solution mechanism for the feature of syria. and there is then, there is no sort committee about the united states to, to teach a position in the region. there are many conflicts between the regional actors, including turkey, iran, syria, and other external actors. so therefore, there are many possibilities for ices to be, become an active terrorist organization in the region. sure. and just to break it down for our audience, because there's lots of less has been thrown around. and so the s d f is the syrian and democratic forces. the y p g is an armed kurdish militia that's been designated by turkey as a terrorist organization. joshua, now that i've made that point, i'll just throw it over to you. obviously turkey and the u. s i major players in all of this. what does the rate?

well, let me rephrase that. took us through the relationship between turkey and the us in all of this and had the people in rocca become the victims of politics between the 2 countries. well, they certainly are the victims of politics. you know, turkey is a native country, it's an ally of the united states. it has its own ambitions, the united states, in order to destroy isis. and this is lama state that had grown up in ne, syria, had to dump the arabic opposition in syria and side with a kurdish opposition and the kurdish forces because they were the only ones that were willing to kill this sidney eric's that made up isis. and so america jumped switched horses in the middle of the stream in $21415.00 and began to arm the kurds and the largest and most able kurdish organization was the y p g which turkey

considers part of the pay k k of this terrorist organization, so turkey got furious at us strategy, which was to kill, which was the arm these people and train them because it worried about the, the blow back inside turkey itself. so this set these partners against each other. and to day there's, you know, steep competition cuz america is helping the kurds and turkey wants them not to. so turkey is increasingly closing ranks with the offside regime in order to try to collectively get rid of the united states and bring the kurdish region back under some kind of control whether it's target controller outside the 2 are competing powers, but they have a common goal which is to get america out and to undue this autonomy as quasi independent region that america has built in the northeast. and i think

america will leave not under this administration because it's promised not to maybe not even under the next one, but it will eventually leave. and it will be like, get a stand where the kurdish leaders who have hung their hats on america and, and become very dependent. we'll have to flee the country. and the 2nd rank of kurdish leaders will make a deal with our side who needs them to rule in ne himself, just like the americans do. and so i think that's, that's the likely future in the region until that happens. there is going to be chaos. rocca's not going to be rebuilt and americans not really interested in the ne, cuz it doesn't want an independent state there. and it really will try to get out in the next administration or the one after i'm in. would you like to respond to that? what do you see as the resolution between taking the us in this part of the world? i don't really see a resolution the i don't be a possible resolution that really somehow prevented hearing democratic

for the doctor that slipped the backing of us. again, by the day, i mean as being pointed out, they said why d g, which has been linked to the local party k. and that's the dominant component of the democratic board. when it was set up in 2015, it was really attempt and attempted a rebranding. i decided down the white dominant and although the white, although the white incorporated, many, many local brands is still dominated by battery. curtis cater people linked to the p k. k. and that goes through to the local redemption on the ground, but also in relation to request it to see thank you. after bolstering

the p k. k. so there isn't really a resolution i think that i'd be there wouldn't be arrested in between in the united states on this issue that would effectively for the democratic forms in long run. and then see the joint would be between an increased or expansion. here in central government control or, or controlled by syrian rebel groups that have been backed by to expansion the south from the little pocket example they created along the border. they pick it along the board with 30 in progress. so yeah, there is a, there is, and i refuse, and it would be in any way, neuron i saw you nodding, now you have a response. i think a, you know,

there are alternatives for, of course. and also there are scenarios about the feature, the 1st one is do you know, maintaining the state of school, which is not possible for the short term because of the many dynamics on the grounds. and the dynamics in the regional politics, especially after the russian invasion of ukraine. and this is not the most likely scenario. the 2nd one is the, you know, transformation of the s p, f or y, p g or p y, v, whatever you call it. i think there are some act tends to transform y, p g n p y v would in the context of united states strategic syria. but it is not an easy task for the united states because of the very strong relationship between y p g n p k. k, if you like that state is going to be successful in terms of transforming y p g and push back the p j k cards from the y p g. then the transformation, you know, will be the likely scenario in the midterm. but on the other hand,

there is also the short scenario about the defeating t, y, p g n, p, k. and the region. i think the syrian government or sri regime is not checked able to do so, and turkey has to pass the to defeat the y p g on the ground. but when we look at the turkeys priorities, i don't think that the, the s t f dominated region will be targeted by turkey in the coming feature. and other sub scenario of the 3rd scenario is the potential research. you know the insurgencies against y p g n, p y di, different cities, different regents in the northern part of syria because of the many, many, many important dynamics be conflict potential conflict between local are of communities and, and the kurdish communities or why fiji dominated as yet in terms of, you know, y,

p g 's governance model. so therefore, i think in the coming feature because of the, you know, the uncertainties and ambiguity on the grounds. i don't see any kind of solutions in the near future with the focus bang on these armed kurdish groups. could we then say a resurgence of iso in the background? joshua, yes, it's not going to become monstrous, but it's going to carry on the way it's doing now. people in the region are desperate. and as long as the region is northern, syria is broken up into these 3 major enemy territories that isn't turkish run. northwest a american run northeast, and a russian supported sad state. isis and other radicals are going to be able to run through the feet of these 3 major forces, which are enemies. all of each other can see isis as the secondary problem. until there is a unified sovereign government that's able to stand on his feet with

a police force in an army in syria. isis is not going to be wiped out in, nor a radical is going to be wiped out. so as long as the goal of the international community is to keep serial weak and divided, there will be a place for recruitment of radical islamists. and not only that, we know when talking about foreign policy and politics, but we're also talking about people. what are the obligations of turkey, of the us, of these major players, to the people of syria? i'll direct that question to you. i'm and well, i think in the case, i think it depends on which idea you're talking about. i think in the terms of the united states, that certainly the areas where douglas nosy campaign against buying stay. and i, i personally do think that there should be more of an obligation on the united

states to deal with the reconstruction of the city and the restoration of life. you restoration services improvement improvement of the infrastructure as opposed to this more hands off approach. i just the matter of obligation given strikes for so much damage to me, but i can't really speak about obligations towards theory or as a whole on, on a larger scale. it is so many dive in, leasing goal that it's going to bring about is comprehensive and told about this idea east in the near need. and also in a half an hour program we have to leave at the gentleman. thank you very much for your time. thanks to all i guess, joshua land is moran. yes, you tash and i am in jawa al to meaning and thank you for watching. you can say the

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