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is still reeling from poverty and devastation. so who's responsible and how much of a threat is a resurgence of the armed group in its former capital? this is in 5 story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm emily angland. it's been a 5 years since the armed group i saw was defeated in rocker in northern syria. the city served as its base yet many of the conditions that made rack a vulnerable to an ice will take over in 2017, still exists today. governance is wake and attacks are common across the city. people are living in ruins with limited electricity, water, and access to education and medical services. as that bag were ports,

i st. fight to celebrate their capture of rocca in 2014. they no longer hear what the destruction left after the battle to force them out still remains us fact. kurdish fighters fought st battles he dislodged the militants and the u. s. carried out hundreds of air strikes on the city, sir, in democratic forces now controlled rocca, come to see you on our journey. for 5 years, we lived in a desperate situation with lack of good water or bread, but my family has 9 people, no services, provided. they give 13 pieces of bread to 6 people and they make you suffer to get enough bread for your family. last time they told me if i didn't like it, go make a complaint. we can't help you. oh, many here are concerned about the state of the roads with winter fast approaching. they're worried, they may be cut off in an emergency. as

a lot of i don't care those yellowstone that will because of the bad roads. if you are sick, the taxi will drop you away from your house and they do not enter these bad streets and our street is considered one of the better ones. one of our hopes is that these streets be fixed in case an ambulance wants to enter. electricity supplies are limited here, and those who can afford them use generators. them another cell, we depend on the generators. the normal electricity comes through a few hours a day. the generators cost the civilians too much, there is no follow up from the municipality for the destroyed embalmed buildings. to remove the rubble permanently. the battle to defeat ices was just a start of a struggle for people here. and for those who remain the lack of reconstruction, health and education mean, it hasn't ended. i said beg, i'll g 0. let's take a closer look at the legacy of i ssl in syria. he armed group no longer has a strong hold in the northeast and is officially considered defeated. despite this,

it's fighters, domain name in dares or 20 percent of people serve a c i. so as the main threat to their security and some rights groups warner, they could be a resurgence of the group as former fighters and their families are released from the whole camp. in ne, syria, the let's bringing our guest now in norman, oklahoma is joshua land is the director at the center of middle east studies at the university of oklahoma. in ankara is mirage. yes, he tash director of foreign policy research and seizure. a think tank covering security and foreign policy issues and in bali is i'm and john, what else to me me, editor of castle re associates. i mean is a specialist on islamic state, a warm welcome to all of you. joshua, i'd like to start with you. the goal was to free civilians in rocca from the grips

of iso. but have they been overlooked since being liberated? yes, it has and, and, and in it, in this, you know, sort of blame game. um. yeah, everybody is guilty, but the united states, as an american, i'd like to speak on the, on the part of the united states and the united states put up with the rise of selfish jihadist state in north eastern syria. right from the early days. and we have this from the documents that have been given out through wiki leagues, the d, i, a defense intelligence agency, for example, already in 2012, said that it was the purpose. it was the intention of the west turkey and the gulf states to allow a islamic state of some kind to rise up in ne, in order to pressure to use it as leverage against aside. and we see this time and time again in the american documents already in 2013,

for example. the number 2 in the cia gave is one single interview on tv. and he said that the way they're going to get rid of aside was by building up the opposition and they said already the opposition is dominated by al qaeda and, and of related, malicious, these radical islamists. so what they wanted to do was build them up to weaken the syrian army, but they were terrified of destroying the syrian army. they said, because we would need the syrian military and as his attention to the see, serious security forces are required to defeat al qaeda when this is done. so they wanted a week in the syrian army forces, hearing army to come to america, to negotiate. and then they thought they could get rid of us that way that the army would turn on our side, like the egyptian army had turned against mubarak, they would get rid of him, then it would build up the army to kill the jihadists in the northeast. but in fact,

their plan blew up in their hands and, and they built, they managed to build a big state or they didn't build us. but of course it, it emerged with the weapons that they were pouring in. and then they had to go and destroy it. and so this terrible plan which didn't stand a chance of working was partly the reason for why rocca was so destroyed and why it hasn't grown back again. because sanctions and other things are are. and that terrible. so government has been left in place are all responsible for the devastation that's been brought on syria. and let's look at that devastation. let's look at the problem before we perhaps discuss the solution. i mean, if i can go to you now, what is the current humanitarian situation like in northern syria as it stands up there, q asian? because i've actually been there in 2018. i do remember when i went there,

barry having to start building to be wrapped in latin door unusable. on the other hand, it was completely devoid of light. it wasn't a ghost town. and i think there has been just a limited program in restoration of attendance to restore bike electricity and water access. on the other hand though, the, this process itself is that is largely dependent on aid provided by the united states and also by the western country that were part of the core. listen again, your body day and the amount of a that really willing to provide is not commensurate with the amount of destruction they took place in the inter, during the campaign,

re fax. and i think really to be sure that indicates the rocca there was always, there was, it was to be expected. that would be the danger amount of change because the bombing state, i think we're going to fight out those very end in pushing back democratic war. and also just because of the way the approach of western kind of evolve towards these kinds of complex, which is that you rely on local power on the ground and then very heavy s by which does lead. thank you. just in done to speak about the situation. it's still very bad. that has been some progress over the years. but it's really not in keeping the mail inspection. and then also just the long term challenges which, that no one be willing to step up to bite institution like decrease in

increasing water can be david below the river level of the crazy and along with that actually reduce access to hydro electricity and dependent on generated exactly, so it's not just necessarily the destruction, but also the military and situation on the ground with the likes of water and food and also unemployment. murat, if i can direct these question to you, is that poverty and unemployment driving young men into the arms of i so they using money to know a paper? will we see a resurgence of isom? i think yes indeed. yes. but the problem is not limited with the isis. i think there are 4 different dynamics to understand the cure and station in rocca. the 1st is of course, the potential of isis resurgence in the, in the regions isis is very active. yes,

it is true that the territorial order of isis has been, has been call up, but it's territorial activities is still undermining the stability of the region. one by when i'm talking about region of course, what is not limited. i mean, there are also other regions, for example, when we take into consideration distribution in l whole comp. i think we have to be very careful in terms of understanding the real push and pull factors on the grounds because of the p k, k n y, p g 's. you know, we accept true to mechanism, the weak security procedures and the increasing corruptions of y, p g over the management of l hall come so therefore, isis activities is still continuing, which will eventually may provide at freedom of money, were to become an active organization on the grounds, the 2nd dynamics is about the p k. k y p g. i think, as you know,

that the s d f is one of the important organizations, political and military organizations on the grounds to govern the city and the regions. but unfortunately, the dominant position of y, p g over the local population is problematic when we look at the data activities or y p g n, p j k. there are many problems about 2, meanwhile, human rights violations. so when we look at the different reports which are released by international organizations, we can easily say that there is an intensive, you know, human rights violations on the ground, especially again, the local or populations and local populations i think are not happy about the dominant position of y p g. when you look at the, you know, the natural resource, i think the natural resource of the region is not use the benefit of the local populations. as you know, there is a strong pick between p k k y p g and y,

p g and p y d, i think are using these natural resource for the benefit of p j. k is activities and syria, iraq and turkey. so this is a real problem, i think p k 10 y, p g is also trying to change the demography of the region which will eventually undermine the you know, the demographic balance in the region. so this all these dynamics i think, provides some kind of grievances for the resurgence of, of ice. and so there is also other dynamics in terms of the, you know, as you mentioned, limited water and electricity access the difficulties for especially the children to access to the cations. and especially the disease within the context of the, you know, the limited water and the local demonstrations against the y, p g dominated governance model. these are all, i think, you know, the,

the main dynamics for the push and pull factors and the grievances for dice as the final point is about the, you know, the, the lack of a comprehensive solution mechanism for the feature of syria. and there is then, there is no sort committee about the united states to, to teach a position in the region. there are many conflicts between the regional actors, including turkey, iran, syria, and other external actors. so therefore, there are many possibilities for ices to be, become an active tourist organization in the region. sure. and just to break it down for our audience, because there's lots of less has been thrown around. and so the s d f is the syrian and democratic forces. the y p g is an armed kurdish militia, that's been designated by turkey as a terrorist organization. joshua, now that i've made that point, i'll just throw it over to you. obviously turkey and the u. s i major players in all of this. what does the re well,

let me rephrase that took us through the relationship between turkey and the us in all of this and had the people in rocca become the victims of politics between the 2 countries. well, they certainly are the victims of politics. you know, turkey is a nato country. it's an ally of the united states. it has its own ambitions, the united states, in order to destroy isis up. and this is lama state that had grown up in ne, syria, had to dump the arabic opposition in syria and side with a kurdish opposition. and the kurdish forces because they were the only ones that were willing to kill this sidney arabs that made up isis. and so america jumped switched horses in the middle, the stream in $21415.00 and began to arm the kurds and the largest and most

able kurdish organization was the y p g, which turkey considers part of the pay k k of this terrorist organization. so turkey got furious at u. s. strategy which was to kill, which was the arm these people and train them because it worried about the, the blow back inside turkey itself. so this set these partners against each other. and today there's, you know, steep competition cuz america is helping the kurds and perky wants them not to. so turkey is increasingly closing ranks with the outside regime in order to try to collectively get rid of the united states and bring the kurdish region back under some kind of control whether it's target control or outside the 2 are competing powers, but they have a common goal, which is to get america out and to undue this autonomy as quasi independent region that america has built in the northeast. and i think america will leave not

under this administration because it's promised not to maybe not even under the next one, but it will eventually leave. and it will be like afghan of stan, where the kurdish leaders, who have hung their hats on america and, and become very dependent. we'll have to flee the country. and the 2nd rank of kurdish leaders will make a deal with assad, who needs them to rule the ne, himself just like the americans do. and so i think that's, that's the likely future in the region until that happens. there is going to be chaos. harakas not going to be rebuilt and americans not really interested in the ne, cuz it doesn't want an independent state there. and it really will try to get out in the next administration or the one after i'm in. would you like to respond to that? what do you see as the resolution between taking the us in this part of the world? i don't really see a resolution the, i don't be a possible resolution that really resists somehow prevented hearing democratic

for stuck in the slip. the backing of us lead position again is my day. i mean, i've been pointed out that the white d g, which has been linked to the work at 5 o, b k. and that's the dominant component of the democratic forces when it was setup. and it was really attempt and attempted a rebranding. i think decided down the waikiki dominant and although the white, although the white incorporated, many, many local brands is still dominated by battery. curtis catering people in the p k. k, and just read the local with them on the ground, but also in relation to the question it to which the thank you after

bolstering the p k. k. so there isn't really a resolution i think that i'd be there wouldn't be arrested in between in the united states on this issue that would effectively present the democratic forms in long run and then see the joint would be between an increased or expansion. here in central government control or, or controlled by syrian rebel groups that have been backed by an expansion the south from the little pocket example they created along the border. they created along the board with 30 in progress. so yeah, there is a, there is, and i refuse, and it would be in any way moran, i saw you nodding. now you have a response. i think, you know,

there are alternatives for, of course. and also there are scenarios about the feature. the 1st one is do you know, maintaining the status quo, which is not possible for the short term because of the many dynamics on the grounds and the dynamics in the regional politics, especially after the russian invasion of ukraine. and this is not the most likely scenario. the 2nd one is the, you know, transformation of the s t, f or y, p g, or p y, v, whatever you call it. i think there are some act tends to transform y p g n p y v would in the context of united states strategic cereal box. it is not an easy task for the united states because of the very strong relationship between y p g n, p j k. if you like that state is going to be successful in terms of transforming y p g and push back the p j. k causes from the y p g, then the transformation, you know, will be the likely scenario in the midterm. but on the other hand,

there is also the torque scenario about the defeating wifi, g n, p k. and the region. i think the syrian government or sri regime is not checked able to do so, and turkey has the capacity to defeat the y p g on the ground. but when we look at the turkey's priorities, i don't think that the, the s t f dominated region will be targeted by turkey in becoming feature and other sub scenario of the 3rd scenario is the potential research. you know the insurgencies against y p g n, p, y di, different cities, different regions in the northern part of syria because of the many, you know, many, many important dynamics be conflict potential conflict between local are of communities and, and the kurdish communities or why fiji dominated as yes, in terms of, you know, y, p g 's, a governance model. so therefore,

i think in the coming feature because of the, you know, the uncertainties and ambiguity is on the grounds. i don't see any kind of solutions in the near future with the focus bang on these armed kurdish groups. could we then say a resurgence of iso in the background? joshua, yes, it's not going to become monstrous, but it's going to carry on the way it's doing now. people in the region are desperate. and as long as the region is northern, syria is broken up into these 3 major enemy territories. that is a turkish run northwest, a american run northeast, and a russian supported us. i'd state isis, and other radicals are going to be able to run through the feet of these 3 major forces, which are enemies, all of each other and see isis as the secondary problem. until there is a unified sovereign government that's able to stand on his feet with

a police force in an army in syria. isis is not going to be wiped out in, nor radicals, going to be wiped out. so as long as the goal of the international community is to keep serial weak and divided, there will be a place for recruitment of radical islamists. and not only that, we know when talking about foreign policy and politics, but we're also talking about paypal. what are the obligations of turkey, of the u. s. of these major players to the people of syria? i'll direct that question to you. i'm and well, i think in the case, i think it depends on which idea you're talking about. i think in it's in the united states that certainly the areas where dr noted campaign against buying stay. and i, i personally do think that there would be more of an obligation on the united

states to deal with the reconstruction of the city and the restoration of life restoration services improvement improvement of the infrastructure as opposed to this more hands off approach. i just the, as a matter of obligation given strikes so much damage to me, but i can't really speak about obligations towards theory or a whole on, on a larger scale. it is so many dive in, leasing goal that it's going to bring about is comprehensive and told about this idea east in the near the medium and also in a half an hour program. we have to leave at the gentleman. thank you very much for your time. thanks to all i guess, joshua land is moran. yes, you tash and i am in jawa al to meaning and thank you to for watching. you can say

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